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|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 10:56am On Mar 26|
Maximus69:Why should nosey parker, cant-keep-a-promise, mister no-integrity, lazy as foxtrot, uniform, charlie, kilo indisciplined Maximus69 ever in the first place, be interested. Did I extend an invite to you? Trust you to always poke-nose into businesses not invited or called to. Smh smello.
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 11:42am On Mar 26|
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 12:03pm On Mar 26|
Maximus69:Sorry, I am not sorry, to let you know, that your sorry, dont mean anything to me. Promises means everything, but after they are broken, sorry means nothing, and especially when sorry is coming from the direction of an indisciplined person like yourself. Sorry Sir, my foot.
Yeah, go on, go ahead, keep on laughing yourself silly, as if, just like a loser. I am very wary of anyone, whose actions, dont match their words, such is just an untrustworthy person. Smh.
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 12:43pm On Mar 26|
Please Sir i'm begging on bended knee!
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 12:49pm On Mar 26|
Maximus69:This guy doesnt miss a trick, at all, sha, ah!. Now he has dipped his hands in his bag of tricks, and now pulled out, this hollow wailing crocodile tears trick. Na wa ooo. Smh.
Never believe people who cry to justify the reason for breaking their promise. They shed fakes tears, just like our own Oscar performance resident actor Maximus69 has just attempted here. Bossman Staff Major TATIME would give Maximus69 a standing ovation and recommend him for recognition and/or decoration.
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 12:59pm On Mar 26|
Wetin nah, person no fit make mistake for where you dey?
I say sorry, no vex!
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:06pm On Mar 26|
Faith and religion can be used interchangeably but I chose the word 'faith' instead because it captured comprehensively the believe system of people who adhere to Jesus teachings. With 'religion', many would see demarcations, doctrines and divides. Much of the JW for example dont see themselves as Christians whom they believe have been corrupted with paganism. Bahai faith adopted some of the gospel but do not recognize themselves as Christians. We also have some Gnostic who do not recognize themselves as Christians, ruled out divinity of Christ, miracles and supernatural attributes; they however, embrace the philosophical teaching of Jesus as man. I think people would generally accept the uniformity of 'Christian faith' than carved out religion system which divide them
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:08pm On Mar 26|
Sorry to disappoint, I have all the time in the world to respond to posts from Muttley
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:10pm On Mar 26|
Good example of a Christian. Keep it up
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 1:20pm On Mar 26|
Maximus69:Authority Liar! Promise Breaker
♬ ♪♫♬♩ ♪ ♫
"You be liar (I no be liar)
You be promise breaker (I no be promise breaker)
You dey lie (I no dey lie)
You be cunning man (I no be cunning man )
You be kofam liar (No be kofam liar)
I no be liar (You be liar)
I no be promise breaker (You be promise breaker)
I no dey steal (You dey steal)
I no be cunning man (You be cunning man )
I no be kofam liar (You be kofam liar)
Argument about promise breaking
Somebody don break hin promise
When hin tell efryone farewell
Argument, argument, argue (Argument, argument)
Them argue (Argument, argument)
Efribodi dem argue (Argument, argument)
Them dem dem argue (Argument, argument)
Up and down them argue
Efribodi dem argue
Dem dem dem dem argue
Yes yes, them argue
Efribodi dem argue
Liar, liar, liar!
promise breaker, promise breaker, promise breaker!
Kofam liar, kofam liar!
Catch am, catch am! Liar, liar, liar!
Catch am, catch am! Promise breaker, promise breaker, promise breaker!
Catch am, catch am! Kofam liar, kofam liar!
Catch am (Catch am, catch am!)
Pull am (Catch am, catch am!)
Get am (Catch am, catch am!)
Keep am (Catch am, catch am!)
Promise breaker... (Catch am, catch am!)
Catch am, catch am!
Looking go start
Watching go start
Chasing go start
Somebody go dey
Wey them go grab
Them go beat am well-well (Catch am, catch am!) ♬ ♪♪♫♬"
Maximus69:I am sorry to say that, this is a case of once bitten, twice shy.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, would be shame on me then, but I am not willing to be burned twice by the same flame, it wont happen, so it wont be my fault and so there'll be no shame on me. Keep your plastic olive branch and wipe off your, its not werking, crocodile tears
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 2:44pm On Mar 26|
FOLYKAZE:What is the name of the faith you believe in and/or what is it called, this belief system, you buy/have bought into?
I am asking just this one, simple easy, straightforward and direct question, so the smoke preceding the fire wont be too distracting, choking and in anyway blurring to want to block your vision to see clearly. I am also asking, as I, if I can help it, dont like making assumptions, so why l like to get this info from the horse's mouth.
FOLYKAZE:I am sure, you'll agree and accept with me that, sports like, ice hockey, football, soccer etcetera is a religion. Fashion is a religion, atheism is a religion, Christianity, Islam. Altruism, lol, is religion. Even altheism, believe it or not, is a religion, lol.
FOLYKAZE:Aside Christians and/or Christianity being augmented with paganism's rituals, practices and/or tradition, would you really blame JW for not seeing themselves as Christians, hmm FOLYKAZE?
FOLYKAZE:FOLYKAZE, my guy, quickly scan through the Bible and return back to tell if you will find anywhere in it that mentions Christianity a religion and/or by that name.
The whole idea of pigeonholing belief systems into specific, named groups called "religions" is a relatively modern novel concept, nah.
One of the major philosophical teaching of Jesus, in His capacity as man and divinity, is about one body, ekklesia, called out. The ruling civilization of that time period were the Greeks and normally "Ekklesia" is the assembly of free citizens, to which belonged judicial and legislative power, and from which aliens, slaves and the likes were excluded, but here is Jesus, turning this whole political concept on its head, lol, and now talking about having a gathering of citizens (i.e. any member of the demos/ all people) no discrimination, no prejudices, no sexism etcetera called out from their homes into public space and to partake, deliberate, legislate and be fully inclusive in the sovereign governing body's services, expectations and/or requirement. Praise God. Alleluia.
The point, I am making FOLYKAZE, is God is Christianity atheistic, Christian atheistic and even Christian denomination(s) atheistic, lol, He believes in plain and simple "Ekklesia," His body, lol. Believes in nothing else than His Bride.
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 4:18pm On Mar 26|
OP you're welcome Sir!
Glory be to anything you believe as you've been protected from KÒLÓDÍÁ DRIVE US!
All Nigerian wealth men traveling to and fro have been driven back to Nigeria by KÒRÓ, no wonder the name of the disease is KÒLÓDÍÁ DRIVE US!
So you have your beloved brother in the Lord, you can resume discussing/debating/
Once again you're welcome Sir!
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 5:05pm On Mar 26|
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by budaatum: 5:45pm On Mar 26|
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 6:58pm On Mar 26|
Ó mà se o!
So the discussion is not even coming unlike when it's you and Maximus69!
Since 1pm no further discussion except a response out of shame and frustration when Maximus commented!
I thought you and your brother wanted to resume discussion nah, abi Covid19 did not affect your own job?
Everybody is at home now on compulsory leave due to Covid19 yet your thread is so silent!
Well i've told your brother, there is nothing to discuss when Maximus69 is not interested!
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 8:20pm On Mar 26|
Ase. Smello. Yẹyẹ still dey smell
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:30pm On Mar 26|
I seriously don't do or get myself involved in faith things. As rightly defined in the bible, faith is a conviction and hope for substances and phenomenon that have no emperical evidence.
Though I am a spiritual conscious person, tends toward Isese but not a dedicated adherent. Love all philosophies and logical reasoning in Ifa particularly, and in Ecclesiastics of the bible.
Yes I agree and very much accept.
Why should I blame them? Every conscious mind out there, JW inclusive, have freedom of religion, conviction and thoughts.
The bible is largely ambiguous and open to multiple meanings. JW, like the white garment church, have the right to interpret the bible in their own understanding, and following it according to their conviction. That is what religion do, I am right and every others are wrong.
That is your viewpoint and I respect that.
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:41pm On Mar 26|
You see yourself as a Sun with the planets revolving around you. You ain't that important.
If you noticed, the thread have been technically laid to rest. The points I need have been buttressed and I have long moved on with something important. Family, friends and business needs much of my attention. I will have to paddle and roll my boat faster with the tumbling coronavirus and dwindling economy itch.
Unless maybe important, you ain't getting respond from me again.
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:00pm On Mar 26|
'the people who run some of them' are the church, the Shephard, not to be mistaken they are the ones Jesus handled the ministration to, with the direction to led their flocks.
Not really sir/ma
Earliest schools were pagan temples, scattered around Africa, and people world all over were attracted to knowledge about the world.
The basic knowledge of today in chemistry, physics, medicine, astrology, agriculture, philosophy and mathematics have it root in paganism, without any relationship with Christianity like you posit.
I doubt the God nor the Bible evolved. There is still burning furnace for sinners. God is ever a sadist having no bearing in reality of today
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:06pm On Mar 26|
The blame went beyond church and Joshua, it stops at the able of God, the omniscient, who should know all before it began to the very end. This God revealed to Joshua that Sun revolved round the earth. It also revealed to the church that apostates and witches should be killed. Such omniscient being should have known everything, beyond it's evolution
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 5:59am On Mar 27|
Just feel like seeing how it's going without Maximus69, and it's obvious you don't have any serious customer to buy price your market so you've remained silent!
Don't just keep quiet my friend, keep on the discuss / debate /
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 6:18am On Mar 27|
Never mind Sir!
You're already getting along very well with your BROTHER!
People use insecticides to remove pests in their homes, because these are unwanted agents. After the pests are gone, the next thing is a pleasant aroma and welcoming atmosphere to accommodate friends and families (wanted agents).
So you've got your brothers and sister all to yourself now!
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by TATIME: 11:28am On Mar 27|
Glory be to the most high God!
How i wish i'm in your shoes right now bro Maximus!
MuttleyLaff's moving image displayed actually mean that you 'Maximus' is a PEST in their gathering. You were right after all, he truly is their brother and they're just partially against one another. The spirit navigating their minds knows who is not part of them.
Exactly what the Jewish prosecutor accusing Apostle Paul before the Roman authority said that faithful day! Act 24:5
I'm really proud of you my brother!
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 11:49am On Mar 27|
Him who has no sin, be the first, to throw stone. Where are thy accusers Maximus69? Has no one condemned you Maximus69? Since no has, neither do I condemn you Maximus69, so go and from now on, sin no more. Weasel in and worm yourself back to the thread mister no-integrity, mister doesnt-look-before-he-leaps, mister promise-breaker. Oh yeah, dont forget that bad smell, lol.
TATIME:How common is false positive.? Well, I've just spotted one, in the above Staff Major TATIME post, who all of a sudden and/or overnight has turned into a psychic and now posseses extrasensory powers that makes him know of what others mean with gifs and their posts. Blind leading and patting the zombified blind on the back, smh.
TATIME, your bwoy, Maximus69, is free to return to his vomit, lol. No one is holding him back nor policing him, lol. He's only going to flounder again ni anyways, lol. Just please, remind him, as he waltzes in and about, upandan the place, not to sin no more, lol
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 11:51am On Mar 27|
FOLYKAZE:There was no need to bring in Hebrews 11:1 nah
Abami Ẹda Baba Fẹla Anikulapo-Kuti
Ha-ah, "Iṣeṣe". Dont worry you arent, per se, on trial, lol. Well, not yet, lol.
Abami Ẹda, prolly got the "cul-ulture and tradition" chorus inspiration in "Teacher Don't Teach Me Nonsense" 1986 sagacious tune from "Iṣeṣe".
Anyway, FOLYKAZE, please, you'll have to, you just, must help me with the following:
1/ What is "Iṣeṣe"?.
2/ What does "Iṣeṣe" mean?
3/ Translate "Iṣeṣe" as best, as you can manage, preferably in a way that can be understood layman's terms, lol.
4/ What is Ifa?
5/ Is Ifa religion or is Ifa a faith/belief system?
6/ Do you believe in Ifa divination, knowledge, power, performance and/or "Iṣeṣe"?
7/ Do you know that Disney has a bible for their characters, so that people who draw Disney characters know how to draw and to make them look correct, hmm? So FOLYKAZE, just as, believers have the Bible, lol, what written literature, has Ifa and/or "Iṣeṣe, " please? Muslim, clever clogs though piggybacked on the Bible, bastardised it, to come up with the Quran, lol
8/ Of course, you know, I am showing you that you too are standing on this same table, you are shaking. I am turning around the same wobbly table you're standing on and have the gall to shake against you. I am coming after and/or at you about Orunmila, the historicity of Ifa and your justification of faith in Ifa, hmm?. What are they, FOLYKAZE, please, I daresay and/or ask, hmm?
FOLYKAZE:Good. You're very kind. Thanks. I was just checking we are on same page and/or singing from a same hymn book ni, lol.
FOLYKAZE:Good, but the freedom, to abuse, misuse and/or disuse freewill, is what's not on brother.
FOLYKAZE:Erhn now, thats true.There is no success without struggle, lol. Remember the intro keyword, subdue. We dont let the bible's ambiguity get the better of us, so we have a back up plan, a Paraclete, lol.
Tbh with you, the bible is more, a case of a book of elusive entendres, lol. Genesis chapters 1 to 3 is polysemous and full of recondite information, lol. There is more than the eyes see. Even that rather racy Genesis chapter 3, if not multiple entendres, is full of double meanings, lol. If you know, you know. Who no know, no go know.
FOLYKAZE:The right any believer has, is to interpret the bible correctly and not interpret it, in accordance to their own understanding.
How many people interpret Deuteronomy 22:20-22 and follow it according to their conviction, hmm? The western part have a colloquial that say "Ti a ba nsunkun, a maa riran" this when loosely translated means "crying and streaming tear waterdrops, doesnt cause one not to have sense see road waka"
FOLYKAZE:This is what religion that is not true, pure and the sort not approved off, by God, because of its fault(s), does, lol
FOLYKAZE:Ọdun Agẹmọ, o yato si, Halloween party. Awọn bi tẹyin bayi, ẹ dowo mọ nau, tẹ bari. Of course, you have no choice, not to respect pukka view(s). Anybaggar, who say your water no go boil hin own water no go hot. No be curse oo, its whats called the boomerang clause, lol
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 12:30pm On Mar 27|
I've checked it bro!
It's true! It's true!!
This is wonderful!
The Jewish prosecutor actually referred to Paul as a "PEST"!
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by budaatum: 12:37pm On Mar 27|
FOLYKAZE:You are in error. Instead of realising you have read what some say about God, you seem to think you read God's own account of God's actions. Its a common error, but a grave one which I can only hope you evolve away from. I'm certain you would not make the same error if I told you God told me you will evolve.
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 12:49pm On Mar 27|
budaatum:"2The woman answered the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden,
3but of the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You must not eat of it or touch it, or you will die.’”"
- Genesis 3:3
Buddha is right, dont take on face value what Buddha says and/or even a God "has said" merely because it agrees with your reason or your common sense. Fyi, nowhere in the Bible, did God ever say "you must not touch ..."
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 12:59pm On Mar 27|
Maximus69:You this man, you're still riding on this your high horse, erhn? Its going to be a big drop from that height.
Quit getting turned on and having a hard on. No one sees you as a pest, what you are seen as, is a promise breaker, a man of no integrity, a man indisciplined enough to easily break his word and come back to his vomit. That's all, that's what, you are infamously known for, on this thread.
Shame your staff major TATIME wouldnt admit this to you and is leading you up the garden path
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 1:27pm On Mar 27|
Never mind, i will stop commenting when i feel like, for now i'm enjoying the ongoing
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 2:08pm On Mar 27|
Haa, apologies sir.
Faith is peculiar to Abrahamic religion. Ìgbàgbọ́ is alien to Yoruba spirituality which focuses on knowledge and evidence.
Mo mọ orúkọ wọn pe ikú, nitori eyi, iku kankan ko gbọdọ pami. Mo mọ orúkọ literally mean 'I know the name...', but it goes beyond knowing the name, it is more about comprehensive understanding of the nature/being of....
So you see sir, Isese isn't about faith but knowledge and full understanding.
It is underground spiritual game. Depends on how you define spirituality though.
Muttley, I have addressed much of these questions on my previous threads. You should look it up. Anyway we can take some bites here.
1/2/3. Isese is tradition, and can be loosely translated as traditional spirituality. It is however not religious but more cultural, encompassing the way of life.
4. Ifa is a divination system.
5. Ifa isn't a religion, faith or belief system. It is a observable, practical and systematic way of finding, decoding, interpreting clues/patterns in nature, and essentially applying to humanistic worldview. Ifa is much like an encyclopedia detailing history, scientific behavior of nature, wisdom, philosophy all packed in tales.
6. Ifa divination is handled by Awo who are human and very prone to error. I will only relying on the interpretations of the Awo for self analysis. When a particular have been checked and confirmed understand Odus, I can earnestly trust his/her interpretation.
Note I used the word 'trust' instead of believe.
7. Unfortunately, the Odus and oriki of each odu are not penned down. The system is not formal like Christianity.
8. Well, that is a futile effort which should be expended on more important things. Odu Ifa is a corpus of tales conveying esoteric messages. As per the historicity of Orunmila, you are welcome.
There is existence. That we should invest our time to know. Right or wrong is all about relativity of time and perception.
That path I don't want to walk down with you. Lol
|Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by budaatum: 2:13pm On Mar 27|
FOLYKAZE:Not true. The "church, the Shephard" are mostly self appointed individuals who claim Jesus handed the ministry to, when the truth is, Jesus handed the ministry to the individual. Takes some to see it, but that's why everyone must bear their own cross.
FOLYKAZE:Religious pagan temples? People attracted from all over the world? You said this before but provided no evidence to justify it and still haven't. Whatever education we may have had were no different to the religious education taught everywhere else but you are romanticising it into something it wasn't.
There was no mass education like religion provides in the days you speak of.
FOLYKAZE:The Jew will tell you its in their pagan roots and the European would tell you the same thing. Evolution is the precise reason that education has split into "chemistry, physics, medicine, astrology, agriculture, philosophy and mathematics", and only those who wish to de-evolve would want to go back to basic pagan education.
FOLYKAZE:Most here are claiming there is no God, so I wonder which God you are accusing of being a sadist "still burning furnace for sinners", when the truth is, you don't know if God exists, not to talk of if it has a furnace or not apart from what you read in a book.
Stories in books do not evolve, Foly, it is humans that should evolve their understanding, and thankfully, we always do, barring Max who still quotes "exterminate", but we cannot all understand equally, I guess..
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