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Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 10:56am On Mar 26
Maximus69:
Don't worry neighbour, keep waiting for response from FOLYKAZE.
Perhaps he's now under quarantine, i'm sure he will surely prove negative to Covid19, then he'll have your time.
Until then, have faith your brother will respond to your call for discussion/ debate/ argument.

Maximus69 is NOT interested!
cheesy
Why should nosey parker, cant-keep-a-promise, mister no-integrity, lazy as foxtrot, uniform, charlie, kilo indisciplined Maximus69 ever in the first place, be interested. Did I extend an invite to you? Trust you to always poke-nose into businesses not invited or called to. Smh smello.
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 11:42am On Mar 26
MuttleyLaff:
Why should nosey parker, cant-keep-a-promise, mister no-integrity, lazy as foxtrot, uniform, charlie, kilo indisciplined Maximus69 ever in the first place, be interested. Did I extend an invite to you? Trust you to always poke-nose into businesses not invited or called to. Smh smello.

Sorry Sir! cheesy
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 12:03pm On Mar 26
Maximus69:
Sorry Sir! cheesy
Sorry, I am not sorry, to let you know, that your sorry, dont mean anything to me. Promises means everything, but after they are broken, sorry means nothing, and especially when sorry is coming from the direction of an indisciplined person like yourself. Sorry Sir, my foot.

Yeah, go on, go ahead, keep on laughing yourself silly, as if, just like a loser. I am very wary of anyone, whose actions, dont match their words, such is just an untrustworthy person. Smh.
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 12:43pm On Mar 26
MuttleyLaff:
Sorry, I am not sorry, to let you know, that your sorry, dont mean anything to me. Promises means everything, but after they are broken, sorry means nothing, and especially when sorry is coming from the direction of an indisciplined person like yourself. Sorry Sir, my foot.

Yeah, go on, go ahead, keep on laughing yourself silly, as if, just like a loser. I am very wary of anyone, whose actions, dont match their words, such is just an untrustworthy person. Smh.

Please Sir i'm begging on bended knee! embarassed
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 12:49pm On Mar 26
Maximus69:
Please Sir i'm begging on bended knee! embarassed
This guy doesnt miss a trick, at all, sha, ah!. Now he has dipped his hands in his bag of tricks, and now pulled out, this hollow wailing crocodile tears trick. Na wa ooo. Smh.

Never believe people who cry to justify the reason for breaking their promise. They shed fakes tears, just like our own Oscar performance resident actor Maximus69 has just attempted here. Bossman Staff Major TATIME would give Maximus69 a standing ovation and recommend him for recognition and/or decoration.
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 12:59pm On Mar 26
MuttleyLaff:
This guy doesnt miss a trick, at all, sha, ah!. Now he has dipped his hands in his bag of tricks, and now pulled out, this hollow wailing crocodile tears trick. Na wa ooo. Smh.

Never believe people who cry to justify the reason for breaking their promise. They shed fakes tears, just like our own Oscar performance resident actor Maximus69 has just attempted here. Bossman Staff Major TATIME would give Maximus69 a standing ovation and recommend him for recognition and/or decoration.

Wetin nah, person no fit make mistake for where you dey?

I say sorry, no vex! sad
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:06pm On Mar 26
MuttleyLaff:
Ah-ah wetin nah. I had to dig this thread up from 4 pages away from front page. Kilo de?

Anyway, my much loving brother FOLY, I couldnt help but notice that you used "Christian faith" and not "Christian religion" in the topic heading. Why? Is there, to your understanding, a distinction and difference ni between faith and religion, lol? Please advise, and would appreciate you with illustration and/or example of what each is. Thank you.

Faith and religion can be used interchangeably but I chose the word 'faith' instead because it captured comprehensively the believe system of people who adhere to Jesus teachings. With 'religion', many would see demarcations, doctrines and divides. Much of the JW for example dont see themselves as Christians whom they believe have been corrupted with paganism. Bahai faith adopted some of the gospel but do not recognize themselves as Christians. We also have some Gnostic who do not recognize themselves as Christians, ruled out divinity of Christ, miracles and supernatural attributes; they however, embrace the philosophical teaching of Jesus as man. I think people would generally accept the uniformity of 'Christian faith' than carved out religion system which divide them
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:08pm On Mar 26
Maximus69:


Do you think he is after fake believers like you? cheesy

Come on, the spirit navigating his brains know exactly his target! cheesy

I bet you if he will discuss/argue/debate with you at all unless he just feel like getting back at Maximus69 (one of the main targets who has stylishly quenched the burning missile of his father) Isaiah 54:17 compare to Ephesians 6:16 cheesy

So i'm glad to tell you that your so called "brother" don't have your time! cheesy


Sorry to disappoint, I have all the time in the world to respond to posts from Muttley
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 1:10pm On Mar 26
Maximus69:


Don't worry neighbour, keep waiting for response from FOLY.

Perhaps he's now under quarantine, i'm sure he will surely prove negative to Covid19, then he'll have your time.

Until then, have faith your brother will respond to your call for discussion/ debate/ argument. Maximus69 is NOT interested! cheesy

Good example of a Christian. Keep it up
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 1:20pm On Mar 26
Maximus69:
Wetin nah, person no fit make mistake for where you dey?
Authority Liar! Promise Breaker

♬ ♪♫♬♩ ♪ ♫
"You be liar (I no be liar)
You be promise breaker (I no be promise breaker)
You dey lie (I no dey lie)
You be cunning man (I no be cunning man )
You be kofam liar (No be kofam liar)

I no be liar (You be liar)
I no be promise breaker (You be promise breaker)
I no dey steal (You dey steal)
I no be cunning man (You be cunning man )
I no be kofam liar (You be kofam liar)

Argument about promise breaking
Somebody don break hin promise
When hin tell efryone farewell

Argument, argument, argue (Argument, argument)
Them argue (Argument, argument)
Efribodi dem argue (Argument, argument)
Them dem dem argue (Argument, argument)
Up and down them argue
Efribodi dem argue
Dem dem dem dem argue
Yes yes, them argue
Efribodi dem argue

Liar, liar, liar!
promise breaker, promise breaker, promise breaker!
Kofam liar, kofam liar!

Catch am, catch am! Liar, liar, liar!
Catch am, catch am! Promise breaker, promise breaker, promise breaker!
Catch am, catch am! Kofam liar, kofam liar!
Catch am (Catch am, catch am!)
Pull am (Catch am, catch am!)
Get am (Catch am, catch am!)
Keep am (Catch am, catch am!)
Promise breaker... (Catch am, catch am!)

Catch am, catch am!

Looking go start
Watching go start
Chasing go start
Somebody go dey
Wey them go grab

Them go beat am well-well (Catch am, catch am!) ♬ ♪♪♫♬
"

Maximus69:
I say sorry, no vex! sad
I am sorry to say that, this is a case of once bitten, twice shy.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, would be shame on me then, but I am not willing to be burned twice by the same flame, it wont happen, so it wont be my fault and so there'll be no shame on me. Keep your plastic olive branch and wipe off your, its not werking, crocodile tears

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Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 2:44pm On Mar 26
FOLYKAZE:
Faith and religion can be used interchangeably but I chose the word 'faith' instead because it captured comprehensively the believe system of people who adhere to Jesus teachings.
What is the name of the faith you believe in and/or what is it called, this belief system, you buy/have bought into?

I am asking just this one, simple easy, straightforward and direct question, so the smoke preceding the fire wont be too distracting, choking and in anyway blurring to want to block your vision to see clearly. I am also asking, as I, if I can help it, dont like making assumptions, so why l like to get this info from the horse's mouth.

FOLYKAZE:
With 'religion', many would see demarcations, doctrines and divides.
I am sure, you'll agree and accept with me that, sports like, ice hockey, football, soccer etcetera is a religion. Fashion is a religion, atheism is a religion, Christianity, Islam. Altruism, lol, is religion. Even altheism, believe it or not, is a religion, lol.

FOLYKAZE:
Much of the JW for example dont see themselves as Christians whom they believe have been corrupted with paganism.
Aside Christians and/or Christianity being augmented with paganism's rituals, practices and/or tradition, would you really blame JW for not seeing themselves as Christians, hmm FOLYKAZE?

FOLYKAZE:
Bahai faith adopted some of the gospel but do not recognize themselves as Christians. We also have some Gnostic who do not recognize themselves as Christians, ruled out divinity of Christ, miracles and supernatural attributes; they however, embrace the philosophical teaching of Jesus as man. I think people would generally accept the uniformity of 'Christian faith' than carved out religion system which divide them
FOLYKAZE, my guy, quickly scan through the Bible and return back to tell if you will find anywhere in it that mentions Christianity a religion and/or by that name.

The whole idea of pigeonholing belief systems into specific, named groups called "religions" is a relatively modern novel concept, nah.

One of the major philosophical teaching of Jesus, in His capacity as man and divinity, is about one body, ekklesia, called out. The ruling civilization of that time period were the Greeks and normally "Ekklesia" is the assembly of free citizens, to which belonged judicial and legislative power, and from which aliens, slaves and the likes were excluded, but here is Jesus, turning this whole political concept on its head, lol, and now talking about having a gathering of citizens (i.e. any member of the demos/ all people) no discrimination, no prejudices, no sexism etcetera called out from their homes into public space and to partake, deliberate, legislate and be fully inclusive in the sovereign governing body's services, expectations and/or requirement. Praise God. Alleluia.

The point, I am making FOLYKAZE, is God is Christianity atheistic, Christian atheistic and even Christian denomination(s) atheistic, lol, He believes in plain and simple "Ekklesia," His body, lol. Believes in nothing else than His Bride.
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 4:18pm On Mar 26
FOLYKAZE:


Good example of a Christian. Keep it up

OP you're welcome Sir! smiley

Glory be to anything you believe as you've been protected from KÒLÓDÍÁ DRIVE US!

All Nigerian wealth men traveling to and fro have been driven back to Nigeria by KÒRÓ, no wonder the name of the disease is KÒLÓDÍÁ DRIVE US!

So you have your beloved brother in the Lord, you can resume discussing/debating/arguing with him!

Once again you're welcome Sir! cheesy
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 5:05pm On Mar 26
Maximus69:
OP you're welcome Sir! smiley

Glory be to anything you believe as you've been protected from KÒLÓDÍÁ DRIVE US!
All Nigerian wealth men traveling to and fro have been driven back to Nigeria by KÒRÓ, no wonder the name of the disease is KÒLÓDÍÁ DRIVE US!

So you have your beloved brother in the Lord, you can resume discussing/debating/arguing with him!
Once again you're welcome Sir! cheesy
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by budaatum: 5:45pm On Mar 26
MuttleyLaff:

I am sure, you'll agree and accept with me that, sports like, ice hockey, football, soccer etcetera is a religion. Fashion is a religion, atheism is a religion, Christianity, Islam. Altruism, lol, is religion. Even altheism, believe it or not, is a religion, lol.
https://www.nairaland.com/4357359/what-god/1#65268577
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 6:58pm On Mar 26
FOLYKAZE:


Sorry to disappoint, I have all the time in the world to respond to posts from Muttley

Ó mà se o!

So the discussion is not even coming unlike when it's you and Maximus69! cheesy

Since 1pm no further discussion except a response out of shame and frustration when Maximus commented! cheesy

I thought you and your brother wanted to resume discussion nah, abi Covid19 did not affect your own job?

Everybody is at home now on compulsory leave due to Covid19 yet your thread is so silent! cheesy

Well i've told your brother, there is nothing to discuss when Maximus69 is not interested! cheesy
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 8:20pm On Mar 26
Maximus69:
Ó mà se o!
So the discussion is not even coming unlike when it's you and Maximus69! cheesy

Since 1pm no further discussion except a response out of shame and frustration when Maximus commented! cheesy

I thought you and your brother wanted to resume discussion nah, abi Covid19 did not affect your own job?

Everybody is at home now on compulsory leave due to Covid19 yet your thread is so silent! cheesy

Well i've told your brother, there is nothing to discuss when Maximus69 is not interested! cheesy

Ase. Smello. Yẹyẹ still dey smell
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:30pm On Mar 26
MuttleyLaff:
What is the name of the faith you believe in and/or what is it called, this belief system, you buy/have bought into?

I am asking just this one, simple easy, straightforward and direct question, so the smoke preceding the fire wont be too distracting, choking and in anyway blurring to want to block your vision to see clearly. I am also asking, as I, if I can help it, dont like making assumptions, so why l like to get this info from the horse's mouth.

I seriously don't do or get myself involved in faith things. As rightly defined in the bible, faith is a conviction and hope for substances and phenomenon that have no emperical evidence.

Though I am a spiritual conscious person, tends toward Isese but not a dedicated adherent. Love all philosophies and logical reasoning in Ifa particularly, and in Ecclesiastics of the bible.

MuttleyLaff:
I am sure, you'll agree and accept with me that, sports like, ice hockey, football, soccer etcetera is a religion. Fashion is a religion, atheism is a religion, Christianity, Islam. Altruism, lol, is religion. Even altheism, believe it or not, is a religion, lol.

Yes I agree and very much accept.

MuttleyLaff:
Aside Christians and/or Christianity being augmented with paganism's rituals, practices and/or tradition, would you really blame JW for not seeing themselves as Christians, hmm FOLY?

Why should I blame them? Every conscious mind out there, JW inclusive, have freedom of religion, conviction and thoughts.

The bible is largely ambiguous and open to multiple meanings. JW, like the white garment church, have the right to interpret the bible in their own understanding, and following it according to their conviction. That is what religion do, I am right and every others are wrong.

MuttleyLaff:
FOLY, my guy, quickly scan through the Bible and return back to tell if you will find anywhere in it that mentions Christianity a religion and/or by that name.

The whole idea of pigeonholing belief systems into specific, named groups called "religions" is a relatively modern novel concept, nah.

One of the major philosophical teaching of Jesus, in His capacity as man and divinity, is about one body, ekklesia, called out. The ruling civilization of that time period were the Greeks and normally "Ekklesia" is the assembly of free citizens, to which belonged judicial and legislative power, and from which aliens, slaves and the likes were excluded, but here is Jesus, turning this whole political concept on its head, lol, and now talking about having a gathering of citizens (i.e. any member of the demos/ all people) no discrimination, no prejudices, no sexism etcetera called out from their homes into public space and to partake, deliberate, legislate and be fully inclusive in the sovereign governing body's services, expectations and/or requirement. Praise God. Alleluia.

The point, I am making FOLY, is God is Christianity atheistic, Christian atheistic and even Christian denomination(s) atheistic, lol, He believes in plain and simple "Ekklesia," His body, lol. Believes in nothing else than His Bride.



That is your viewpoint and I respect that.
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:41pm On Mar 26
Maximus69:


Ó mà se o!

So the discussion is not even coming unlike when it's you and Maximus69! cheesy

Since 1pm no further discussion except a response out of shame and frustration when Maximus commented! cheesy

I thought you and your brother wanted to resume discussion nah, abi Covid19 did not affect your own job?

Everybody is at home now on compulsory leave due to Covid19 yet your thread is so silent! cheesy

Well i've told your brother, there is nothing to discuss when Maximus69 is not interested! cheesy


You see yourself as a Sun with the planets revolving around you. You ain't that important.

If you noticed, the thread have been technically laid to rest. The points I need have been buttressed and I have long moved on with something important. Family, friends and business needs much of my attention. I will have to paddle and roll my boat faster with the tumbling coronavirus and dwindling economy itch.

Unless maybe important, you ain't getting respond from me again.

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Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:00pm On Mar 26
budaatum:

You mistake "church" for the people who run some of them. Same way most judge God by God worshippers. And you are a literalist. And you think "believe" is the only possible way to reason and understand.

'the people who run some of them' are the church, the Shephard, not to be mistaken they are the ones Jesus handled the ministration to, with the direction to led their flocks.

budaatum:
It was the same "church" that built most of the early schools and taught people to consume data. And those who actually read their Bibles realise that each book is an update on the previous book, and the understanding of God evolves from book to book.

Not really sir/ma

Earliest schools were pagan temples, scattered around Africa, and people world all over were attracted to knowledge about the world.

The basic knowledge of today in chemistry, physics, medicine, astrology, agriculture, philosophy and mathematics have it root in paganism, without any relationship with Christianity like you posit.

budaatum:
It is a lesson of the Bible to evolve. Its a lesson of the universe even. Even God did, into Jesus, and eventually into what many call the Holy Spirit. And the hope you call false is that things will get better for you if you accept "Christ" the Word into your life, which in evolved language means, 'if you learn', though literalist you would likely miss that point though you know it to be true. But its a very slow and often missed process that happens over generations. Your forefathers would be amazed at how far we have come.

I doubt the God nor the Bible evolved. There is still burning furnace for sinners. God is ever a sadist having no bearing in reality of today
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:06pm On Mar 26
budaatum:

That was the understanding according to Joshua. We evolved into Galileo. Who was treated like we treated Christ who also taught advanced knowledge like Galileo taught and who was also killed.

Plato rightly described this, human attitude to newness, in his cave allegory, but it seems we have not quite yet caught up to understand, and instead of blaming ourselves for our ignorance and slowness in the evolution of our understanding, you blame "church" and Joshua.

The blame went beyond church and Joshua, it stops at the able of God, the omniscient, who should know all before it began to the very end. This God revealed to Joshua that Sun revolved round the earth. It also revealed to the church that apostates and witches should be killed. Such omniscient being should have known everything, beyond it's evolution
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 5:59am On Mar 27
FOLYKAZE:


You see yourself as a Sun with the planets revolving around you. You ain't that important.

If you noticed, the thread have been technically laid to rest. The points I need have been buttressed and I have long moved on with something important. Family, friends and business needs much of my attention. I will have to paddle and roll my boat faster with the tumbling coronavirus and dwindling economy itch.

Unless maybe important, you ain't getting respond from me again.

Just feel like seeing how it's going without Maximus69, and it's obvious you don't have any serious customer to buy price your market so you've remained silent! cheesy

Don't just keep quiet my friend, keep on the discuss / debate / arguments with your family and friends, if you know that without Maximus69 your thread can be interesting! cheesy
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 6:18am On Mar 27
MuttleyLaff:

Ase. Smello. Yẹyẹ still dey smell

Never mind Sir!

You're already getting along very well with your BROTHER! grin

People use insecticides to remove pests in their homes, because these are unwanted agents. After the pests are gone, the next thing is a pleasant aroma and welcoming atmosphere to accommodate friends and families (wanted agents).

So you've got your brothers and sister all to yourself now! cheesy
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by TATIME: 11:28am On Mar 27
Maximus69:


Never mind Sir!

You're already getting along very well with your BROTHER! grin

People use insecticides to remove pests in their homes, because these are unwanted agents. After the pests are gone, the next thing is a pleasant aroma and welcoming atmosphere to accommodate friends and families (wanted agents).

So you've got your brothers and sister all to yourself now! cheesy

Glory be to the most high God! smiley smiley smiley

How i wish i'm in your shoes right now bro Maximus! smiley smiley smiley

MuttleyLaff's moving image displayed actually mean that you 'Maximus' is a PEST in their gathering. You were right after all, he truly is their brother and they're just partially against one another. The spirit navigating their minds knows who is not part of them.

Exactly what the Jewish prosecutor accusing Apostle Paul before the Roman authority said that faithful day! Act 24:5

I'm really proud of you my brother! smiley smiley smiley
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 11:49am On Mar 27
Maximus69:
Just feel like seeing how it's going without Maximus69, and it's obvious you don't have any serious customer to buy price your market so you've remained silent! cheesy

Don't just keep quiet my friend, keep on the discuss / debate / arguments with your family and friends, if you know that without Maximus69 your thread can be interesting! cheesy

Maximus69:
Never mind Sir!

You're already getting along very well with your BROTHER! grin

People use insecticides to remove pests in their homes, because these are unwanted agents. After the pests are gone, the next thing is a pleasant aroma and welcoming atmosphere to accommodate friends and families (wanted agents).

So you've got your brothers and sister all to yourself now! cheesy


Him who has no sin, be the first, to throw stone. Where are thy accusers Maximus69? Has no one condemned you Maximus69? Since no has, neither do I condemn you Maximus69, so go and from now on, sin no more. Weasel in and worm yourself back to the thread mister no-integrity, mister doesnt-look-before-he-leaps, mister promise-breaker. Oh yeah, dont forget that bad smell, lol.

TATIME:
Glory be to the most high God! smiley smiley smiley

How i wish i'm in your shoes right now bro Maximus! smiley smiley smiley

MuttleyLaff's moving image displayed actually mean that you 'Maximus' is a PEST in their gathering. You were right after all, he truly is their brother and they're just partially against one another. The spirit navigating their minds knows who is not part of them.

Exactly what the Jewish prosecutor accusing Apostle Paul before the Roman authority said that faithful day! Act 24:5

I'm really proud of you my brother! smiley smiley smiley
How common is false positive.? Well, I've just spotted one, in the above Staff Major TATIME post, who all of a sudden and/or overnight has turned into a psychic and now posseses extrasensory powers that makes him know of what others mean with gifs and their posts. Blind leading and patting the zombified blind on the back, smh.

TATIME, your bwoy, Maximus69, is free to return to his vomit, lol. No one is holding him back nor policing him, lol. He's only going to flounder again ni anyways, lol. Just please, remind him, as he waltzes in and about, upandan the place, not to sin no more, lol
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 11:51am On Mar 27
FOLYKAZE:
I seriously don't do or get myself involved in faith things. As rightly defined in the bible, faith is a conviction and hope for substances and phenomenon that have no emperical evidence.
There was no need to bring in Hebrews 11:1 nah

FOLYKAZE:
Though I am a spiritual conscious person, tends toward Isese but not a dedicated adherent. Love all philosophies and logical reasoning in Ifa particularly, and in Ecclesiastics of the bible.

Abami Ẹda Baba Fẹla Anikulapo-Kuti

Ha-ah, "Iṣeṣe". Dont worry you arent, per se, on trial, lol. Well, not yet, lol.

Abami Ẹda, prolly got the "cul-ulture and tradition" chorus inspiration in "Teacher Don't Teach Me Nonsense" 1986 sagacious tune from "Iṣeṣe".

Anyway, FOLYKAZE, please, you'll have to, you just, must help me with the following:
1/ What is "Iṣeṣe"?.
2/ What does "Iṣeṣe" mean?
3/ Translate "Iṣeṣe" as best, as you can manage, preferably in a way that can be understood layman's terms, lol.
4/ What is Ifa?
5/ Is Ifa religion or is Ifa a faith/belief system?
6/ Do you believe in Ifa divination, knowledge, power, performance and/or "Iṣeṣe"?
7/ Do you know that Disney has a bible for their characters, so that people who draw Disney characters know how to draw and to make them look correct, hmm? So FOLYKAZE, just as, believers have the Bible, lol, what written literature, has Ifa and/or "Iṣeṣe, " please? Muslim, clever clogs though piggybacked on the Bible, bastardised it, to come up with the Quran, lol
8/ Of course, you know, I am showing you that you too are standing on this same table, you are shaking. I am turning around the same wobbly table you're standing on and have the gall to shake against you. I am coming after and/or at you about Orunmila, the historicity of Ifa and your justification of faith in Ifa, hmm?. What are they, FOLYKAZE, please, I daresay and/or ask, hmm?

FOLYKAZE:
Yes I agree and very much accept.
Good. You're very kind. Thanks. I was just checking we are on same page and/or singing from a same hymn book ni, lol.

FOLYKAZE:
Why should I blame them? Every conscious mind out there, JW inclusive, have freedom of religion, conviction and thoughts.
Good, but the freedom, to abuse, misuse and/or disuse freewill, is what's not on brother.

FOLYKAZE:
The bible is largely ambiguous and open to multiple meanings.
Erhn now, thats true.There is no success without struggle, lol. Remember the intro keyword, subdue. We dont let the bible's ambiguity get the better of us, so we have a back up plan, a Paraclete, lol.

Tbh with you, the bible is more, a case of a book of elusive entendres, lol. Genesis chapters 1 to 3 is polysemous and full of recondite information, lol. There is more than the eyes see. Even that rather racy Genesis chapter 3, if not multiple entendres, is full of double meanings, lol. If you know, you know. Who no know, no go know.

FOLYKAZE:
JW, like the white garment church, have the right to interpret the bible in their own understanding, and following it according to their conviction.
The right any believer has, is to interpret the bible correctly and not interpret it, in accordance to their own understanding.

How many people interpret Deuteronomy 22:20-22 and follow it according to their conviction, hmm? The western part have a colloquial that say "Ti a ba nsunkun, a maa riran" this when loosely translated means "crying and streaming tear waterdrops, doesnt cause one not to have sense see road waka"

FOLYKAZE:
That is what religion do, I am right and every others are wrong.
This is what religion that is not true, pure and the sort not approved off, by God, because of its fault(s), does, lol

FOLYKAZE:
That is your viewpoint and I respect that.
Ọdun Agẹmọ, o yato si, Halloween party. Awọn bi tẹyin bayi, ẹ dowo mọ nau, tẹ bari. Of course, you have no choice, not to respect pukka view(s). Anybaggar, who say your water no go boil hin own water no go hot. No be curse oo, its whats called the boomerang clause, lol
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 12:30pm On Mar 27
TATIME:


Glory be to the most high God! smiley smiley smiley

How i wish i'm in your shoes right now bro Maximus! smiley smiley smiley

MuttleyLaff's moving image displayed actually mean that you 'Maximus' is a PEST in their gathering. You were right after all, he truly is their brother and they're just partially against one another. The spirit navigating their minds knows who is not part of them.

Exactly what the Jewish prosecutor accusing Apostle Paul before the Roman authority said that faithful day! Act 24:5

I'm really proud of you my brother! smiley smiley smiley

I've checked it bro!

It's true! It's true!!

This is wonderful!

The Jewish prosecutor actually referred to Paul as a "PEST"! smiley
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by budaatum: 12:37pm On Mar 27
FOLYKAZE:


The blame went beyond church and Joshua, it stops at the able of God, the omniscient, who should know all before it began to the very end. This God revealed to Joshua that Sun revolved round the earth. It also revealed to the church that apostates and witches should be killed. Such omniscient being should have known everything, beyond it's evolution
You are in error. Instead of realising you have read what some say about God, you seem to think you read God's own account of God's actions. Its a common error, but a grave one which I can only hope you evolve away from. I'm certain you would not make the same error if I told you God told me you will evolve.

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Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 12:49pm On Mar 27
budaatum:
You are in error. Instead of realising you have read what some say about God, you seem to think you read God's own account of God's actions. Its a common error, but a grave one which I can only hope you evolve away from. I'm certain you would not make the same error if I told you God told me you will evolve.
"2The woman answered the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden,
3but of the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You must not eat of it or touch it, or you will die.’
"
- Genesis 3:3

Buddha is right, dont take on face value what Buddha says and/or even a God "has said" merely because it agrees with your reason or your common sense. Fyi, nowhere in the Bible, did God ever say "you must not touch ..."
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by MuttleyLaff: 12:59pm On Mar 27
TATIME:
Glory be to the most high God! smiley smiley smiley
How i wish i'm in your shoes right now bro Maximus! smiley smiley smiley

MuttleyLaff's moving image displayed actually mean that you 'Maximus' is a PEST in their gathering. You were right after all, he truly is their brother and they're just partially against one another. The spirit navigating their minds knows who is not part of them.

Exactly what the Jewish prosecutor accusing Apostle Paul before the Roman authority said that faithful day! Act 24:5
I'm really proud of you my brother! smiley smiley smiley

Maximus69:
I've checked it bro!
It's true! It's true!!
This is wonderful!
The Jewish prosecutor actually referred to Paul as a "PEST"! smiley
You this man, you're still riding on this your high horse, erhn? Its going to be a big drop from that height.

Quit getting turned on and having a hard on. No one sees you as a pest, what you are seen as, is a promise breaker, a man of no integrity, a man indisciplined enough to easily break his word and come back to his vomit. That's all, that's what, you are infamously known for, on this thread.

Shame your staff major TATIME wouldnt admit this to you and is leading you up the garden path
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by Maximus69: 1:27pm On Mar 27
MuttleyLaff:


You this man, you're still riding on this your high horse, erhn? Its going to be a big drop from that height.

Quit getting turned on and having a hard on. No one sees you as a pest, what you are seen as, is a promise breaker, a man of no integrity, a man indisciplined enough to easily break his word and come back to his vomit. That's all, that's what, you are infamously known for, on this thread.

Shame your staff major TATIME wouldnt admit this to you and is leading you up the garden path

Never mind, i will stop commenting when i feel like, for now i'm enjoying the ongoing argument DISCUSSION between you and your brother! cheesy
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by FOLYKAZE(m): 2:08pm On Mar 27
MuttleyLaff:
There was no need to bring in Hebrews 11:1 nah

Haa, apologies sir.

Faith is peculiar to Abrahamic religion. Ìgbàgbọ́ is alien to Yoruba spirituality which focuses on knowledge and evidence.

Mo mọ orúkọ wọn pe ikú, nitori eyi, iku kankan ko gbọdọ pami. Mo mọ orúkọ literally mean 'I know the name...', but it goes beyond knowing the name, it is more about comprehensive understanding of the nature/being of....

So you see sir, Isese isn't about faith but knowledge and full understanding.

MuttleyLaff:
Ha-ah, "Iṣeṣe". Dont worry you arent, per son trial, lol. Well, not yet, lol.

Abami Ẹda, prolly got the "cul-ulture and tradition" chorus inspiration in "Teacher Don't Teach Me Nonsense" 1986 sagacious tune from "Iṣeṣe".

It is underground spiritual game. Depends on how you define spirituality though.

MuttleyLaff:
Anyway, FOLY, please, you'll have to, you just, must help me with the following:

Muttley, I have addressed much of these questions on my previous threads. You should look it up. Anyway we can take some bites here.

MuttleyLaff:
1/ What is "Iṣeṣe"?.
2/ What does "Iṣeṣe" mean?
3/ Translate "Iṣeṣe" as best, as you can manage, preferably in a way that can be understood layman's terms, lol.
4/ What is Ifa?
5/ Is Ifa religion or is Ifa a faith/belief system?
6/ Do you believe in Ifa divination, knowledge, power, performance and/or "Iṣeṣe"?
7/ Do you know that Disney has a bible for their characters, so that people who draw Disney characters know how to draw and to make them look correct, hmm? So FOLY, just as, believers have the Bible, lol, what written literature, has Ifa and/or "Iṣeṣe, " please? Muslim, clever clogs though piggybacked on the Bible, bastardised it, to come up with the Quran, lol
8/ Of course, you know, I am showing you that you too are standing on this same table, you are shaking. I am turning around the same wobbly table you're standing on and have the gall to shake against you. I am coming after and/or at you about Orunmila, the historicity of Ifa and your justification of faith in Ifa, hmm?. What are they, FOLY, please, I daresay and/or ask, hmm?

1/2/3. Isese is tradition, and can be loosely translated as traditional spirituality. It is however not religious but more cultural, encompassing the way of life.

4. Ifa is a divination system.

5. Ifa isn't a religion, faith or belief system. It is a observable, practical and systematic way of finding, decoding, interpreting clues/patterns in nature, and essentially applying to humanistic worldview. Ifa is much like an encyclopedia detailing history, scientific behavior of nature, wisdom, philosophy all packed in tales.

6. Ifa divination is handled by Awo who are human and very prone to error. I will only relying on the interpretations of the Awo for self analysis. When a particular have been checked and confirmed understand Odus, I can earnestly trust his/her interpretation.

Note I used the word 'trust' instead of believe.

7. Unfortunately, the Odus and oriki of each odu are not penned down. The system is not formal like Christianity.

8. Well, that is a futile effort which should be expended on more important things. Odu Ifa is a corpus of tales conveying esoteric messages. As per the historicity of Orunmila, you are welcome.

MuttleyLaff:
Good. You're very kind. Thanks. I was just checking we are on same page and/or singing from a same hymn book ni, lol.

Ok

MuttleyLaff:
Good, but the freedom, to abuse, misuse and/or disuse freewill, is what's not on brother.

There is existence. That we should invest our time to know. Right or wrong is all about relativity of time and perception.

MuttleyLaff:
Erhn now, thats true.There is no success without struggle, lol. Remember the intro keyword, subdue. We dont let the bible's ambiguity get the better of us, so we have a back up plan, a Paraclete, lol.

Tbh with you, the bible is more, a case of a book of elusive entendres, lol. Genesis chapters 1 to 3 is polysemous and full of recondite information, lol. There is more than the eyes see. Even that rather racy Genesis chapter 3, if not multiple entendres, is full of double meanings, lol. If you know, you know. Who no know, no go know.

The right any believer has, is to interpret the bible correctly and not interpret it, in accordance to their own understanding.

How many people interpret Deuteronomy 22:20-22 and follow it according to their conviction, hmm? The western part have a colloquial that say "Ti a ba nsunkun, a maa riran" this when loosely translated means "crying and streaming tear waterdrops, doesnt cause one not to have sense see road waka"

This is what religion that is not true, pure and the sort not approved off, by God, because of its fault(s), does, lol

Ọdun Agẹmọ, o yato si, Halloween party. Awọn bi tẹyin bayi, ẹ dowo mọ nau, tẹ bari. Of course, you have no choice, not to respect pukka view(s). Anybaggar, who say your water no go boil hin own water no go hot. No be curse oo, its whats called the boomerang clause, lol

That path I don't want to walk down with you. Lol
Re: Historicity Of The Bible And Justification Of Christian Faith by budaatum: 2:13pm On Mar 27
FOLYKAZE:

'the people who run some of them' are the church, the Shephard, not to be mistaken they are the ones Jesus handled the ministration to, with the direction to led their flocks.
Not true. The "church, the Shephard" are mostly self appointed individuals who claim Jesus handed the ministry to, when the truth is, Jesus handed the ministry to the individual. Takes some to see it, but that's why everyone must bear their own cross.

FOLYKAZE:

Not really sir/ma

Earliest schools were pagan temples, scattered around Africa, and people world all over were attracted to knowledge about the world.
Religious pagan temples? People attracted from all over the world? You said this before but provided no evidence to justify it and still haven't. Whatever education we may have had were no different to the religious education taught everywhere else but you are romanticising it into something it wasn't.

There was no mass education like religion provides in the days you speak of.

FOLYKAZE:
The basic knowledge of today in chemistry, physics, medicine, astrology, agriculture, philosophy and mathematics have it root in paganism, without any relationship with Christianity like you posit.
The Jew will tell you its in their pagan roots and the European would tell you the same thing. Evolution is the precise reason that education has split into "chemistry, physics, medicine, astrology, agriculture, philosophy and mathematics", and only those who wish to de-evolve would want to go back to basic pagan education.

FOLYKAZE:
I doubt the God nor the Bible evolved. There is still burning furnace for sinners. God is ever a sadist having no bearing in reality of today
Most here are claiming there is no God, so I wonder which God you are accusing of being a sadist "still burning furnace for sinners", when the truth is, you don't know if God exists, not to talk of if it has a furnace or not apart from what you read in a book.

Stories in books do not evolve, Foly, it is humans that should evolve their understanding, and thankfully, we always do, barring Max who still quotes "exterminate", but we cannot all understand equally, I guess..

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