Numero9:
Religion only made things complicated!

Religion is mad made.

And as for one who prays to the God of any religion, you're on a loooonng thing!

Take Syria and Palestine as a case study.

LikeAking:

Prayer is a hundred percent human affair,but the religious houses introduced God into it and it made every thing very complicated.

Why do you think humans have to prayer to very powerful God's and their prayer will not be answered. Why will a powerful God not answer the simple prayers of his child on time, or never.
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It's because prayer is a human affair an you have all it takes to answer your own prayers if you work harder on you affirmations(How many times/how long you pray/Feed your mind with the right affirmations)....
Why will you pray and pray to a very power God before your simple problems will solved?.It's because when ever you pray you are just communicating with your mind/Programming and reprogramming the mind for action
Imagine your lovely powerful father that has all and all,not been able to feed you,its 100% impossible right.
Let the human race regain it's lost glory.

Kobojunkie:


While religion in and of itself is man-made, that does not then mean that the concept of prayer then is man-made.

Prayer is an offering made to God, and in my case, I am certain, without a doubt that God does in fact answer prayers. Why does He it appear that He does not answer all prayers? I am still working towards understanding the reason for that myself.
However, that is not to say that God does not answer prayers or that prayer is meant to help man's mind in some way. That idea is Bullpiss! Prayer is a cry for help,... that is what it is. If we truly had all we needed to answer my own prayer, our own cries for help, then we would have no real reason to cry out for help in the first place, would we?

LikeAking:

Why must some one cry for help bf his God, a powerful super natural being that can solve as problems?.

LikeAking:

It's because prayers are just positive affirmations.Humans will get more result in their lives if they stick to positive affirmations an ignore religious prayers.

LikeAking:

During prayer you are just having a little meeting with your mind,not God.

Kobojunkie:

Probably because one has the power of CHOICE. If you do not need his help, why should this God FORCE his help on you just cause he knows you have a need?
Positive affirmations are simply mental exercises. Those do not amount to much as work needs to be done outside of your mind for those mental afffirmations to amount to much in the end.

Am I also just having a little meeting in my mind when I am talking to another human being?

LikeAking:

Yes.
The mind is part of the meeting during a discussion with any human,once the mind is absent the discussion you will be out of sync.

Kobojunkie:
While religion in and of itself is man-made, that does not then mean that the concept of prayer then is man-made.

Kobojunkie:
Prayer is an offering made to God, and in my case, I am certain, without a doubt that God does in fact answer prayers. Why does He it appear that He does not answer all prayers? I am still working towards understanding the reason for that myself

Kobojunkie:
However, that is not to say that God does not answer prayers or that prayer is meant to help man's mind in some way. That idea is Bullpiss! Prayer is a cry for help,... that is what it is. If we truly had all we needed to answer my own prayer, our own cries for help, then we would have no real reason to cry out for help in the first place, would we?

MuttleyLaff:
There is one religion that isn't man-made. Others, of course are, but there is one religion that God doesn't find fault in, that He doesnt ser flaws in

MuttleyLaff:

Quick fyi, God always answers all prayers. Denial and/or delay are answers.

MuttleyLaff:

You have an abysmal view of what prayer is. Prayer, can be devotional, kind of giving thanks to God for His Faithfulness, Lovingkindness, Goodness, Grace etcetera than being a gimme, gimme cries.
Prayer, can be intercessional, where you stand in the gap for someone else or other people. Prayer, is an opportunity to talk with God, a chance to be in His presence etcetera

LikeAking:


Why must some one cry for help bf his God, a powerful super natural being that can solve as problems?.

It's because prayers are just positive affirmations.Humans will get more result in their lives if they stick to positive affirmations an ignore religious prayers.

During prayer you are just having a little meeting with your mind,not God.

Kobojunkie:
And what religion would that be?

Kobojunkie:
I don't believe Denials and/or delays are answers. Not according to Jesus Christ - at least not according to His parable of the sower.

Kobojunkie:
When the disciples asked Jesus to teach them to pray, what was Jesus' response? He gave them Lord's prayer.... not a slew of different types of prayers as you suggest there. Nope! Jesus said, "When you pray, Pray like this....". So for me, prayer is just as simple as Jesus said it ought to be really.

MuttleyLaff:
You don't know?
Think of an act that is pure true and such you can't fault or find flaws in. What would that be?

They are answers alright. Try getting your next response post on to Nairaland by shouting out the text, instead of physically typing them out and typed out in the right place, then fill me in, on what response you got. What you think it is going to be, a denial, a delay or request granted?

Go back to re-read Matthew 6:9-13, there you'll find that, whatvJesus actually did with them, was teach them a model way of praying.

He introduced them first with a novel idea of addressing God in an endearing manner. This of course would have been alien, strange and shocking for them because the Hebrews/Jews/Israelites never pronounce God's name. They address and write God's name with blanks, placeholder or omitted alphabet because they considered His name to be Holy and they dont want to say it in vain etcetera

Anyway, Jesus then continued with teaching them how to enter His presence, then how to adore and praise God, then how to acknowledge and appreciate God's purpose and/or plan, then how to recognise and admit our dependency on Him, went on to how to seek forgiveness from God and teach how to forgive others, then finally how to recognise God is our Protector.

MuttleyLaff:

You don't know?
Think of an act that is pure true and such you can't fault or find flaws in. What would that be?

MuttleyLaff:

They are answers alright. Try getting your next response post on to Nairaland by shouting out the text, instead of physically typing them out and typed out in the right place, then fill me in, on what response you got. What you think it is going to be, a denial, a delay or request granted?

MuttleyLaff:

Go back to re-read Matthew 6:9-13, there you'll find that, whatvJesus actually did with them, was teach them a model way of praying.
He introduced them first with a novel idea of addressing God in an endearing manner. This of course would have been alien, strange and shocking for them because the Hebrews/Jews/Israelites never pronounce God's name. They address and write God's name with blanks, placeholder or omitted alphabet because they considered His name to be Holy and they dont want to say it in vain etcetera

Kobojunkie:
I am still drawing a blank

Kobojunkie:
Nairaland is not God. You don't compare the created to the creator in even that manner. Matthew 7vs 7-11

Kobojunkie:
No, he did not teach them a MODEL way of praying.
How did Jesus put it? In matthew 6vs 9 , He said, "Pray then like this....". He never said anything about this being some model or there being some technique to it. He simple response to his disciples, is just that, a simple response.

MuttleyLaff:
Religion based on love and compassion

MuttleyLaff:

Nairaland has a god who determines what goes on and what doesnt on Nairaland

MuttleyLaff:

Google up what "like this" means, lmao

Kobojunkie:
But God never asked you for Religion in the first place. Jesus tells you that you nullify the power of God when you practice these cultures and rules of men.
Love and compassion?

Kobojunkie:
Man is a god unto himself as well but that does not make him anything exactly like his creator.

Kobojunkie:
I do know what the words "like this" connote. I also know it also implies "as is"

MuttleyLaff:
Kobojunkie, anything can be called religion including licking lollipop but there is only one true and pure religion, a religion you cant fault or flaw, lmao

MuttleyLaff:

Imagine for a moment. What a better place it'll be, if for all the care in the world, us humans naturally have love, compassion and empathy.
Nirvana, utopia, paradise, Eden revisited all rolled into one. Hmm?

Please look up James 1:27, for the religion that is pure, true and the sort God approves of.

MuttleyLaff:

Who is talking of the Creator aka God?. In your own right, you are a god, but you arent the god of Nairaland nor an archangel of Nairaland aka supermod, talkess ordinary angel of Nairaland aka mods. You run to either of them trio to bail you out concerning issues on Nairaland bothering you.

MuttleyLaff:

Why not just plonk "like this meaning" into the Google search field, for size nah. It surely should come up with results saying it means "used when you are showing someone how to do something" (i.e. something like how to pray, lmao)

Kobojunkie:
I don't believe just about anything qualifies as religion.
Now, for the sake of this discussion, can we say that religion typically refers to traditions or rules that are adhered to with consistent and conscientious regularity.

Nah!! Bullpiss!!! Your idea of love and compassion may not agree with the next man and so on and so forth. So I don't want to even begin to tell you how I have learnt that man's idea of love ain't exactly always appealing. But God's love is the only love that can get us that Eden we all desire.
I have seen the man's love in action, and it is as unholy as man remains.

God is not man that I should have to do that though. What Jesus said about prayer is what I believe. And He was straight forward about what was to be expected in all cases. Anything different from that, I see as a problem that requires resolution

So, if I say to you, "I want you to stand akimbo like this".... are you saying that I do not expect you to stand akimbo, just as I have shown you to do?

Kobojunkie:
I don't believe just about anything qualifies as religion.
Now, for the sake of this discussion, can we say that religion typically refers to traditions or rules that are adhered to with consistent and conscientious regularity.

Kobojunkie:
Nah!! Bullpiss!!! Your idea of love and compassion may not agree with the next man and so on and so forth. So I don't want to even begin to tell you how I have learnt that man's idea of love ain't exactly always appealing. But God's love is the only love that can get us that Eden we all desire.
I have seen the man's love in action, and it is as unholy as man remains.

Kobojunkie:
God is not man that I should have to do that though. What Jesus said about prayer is what I believe. And He was straight forward about what was to be expected in all cases. Anything different from that, I see as a problem that requires resolution

Kobojunkie:
So, if I say to you, "I want you to stand akimbo like this".... are you saying that I do not expect you to stand akimbo, just as I have shown you to do?

LikeAking:

What religions preached about prayer complicated every thing.
Prayer should never be directed to any God,because that's an impossible route. Prayer should be directed to the reasoning/creative/etc faculties of the human being that's the right way.

MuttleyLaff:
"What God the Father considers to be pure and genuine religion is this: to take care of orphans and widows in their suffering and to keep oneself from being corrupted by the world. "
- James 1:27

Any love that is pure true and the sort God won't fault is game, whether it comes from me or you. I am sure you've done acts of love from having compassion upon the recipient. No?

MuttleyLaff:

With the utmost respect, are you trying to say Jesus said anything about how to wipe your arse clean after doing a business. Pfft. Smh.

MuttleyLaff:

If prior, I had asked you to show me how to stand akimbo, then of course, I'll learn from how you are showing me to stand akimbo.
Stop trying messing about, go Google the phrase just as I earlier advised you to.

Kobojunkie:

If the God in question has in fact made the route POSSIBLE, what is your qualms with prayers being directed to that God?

LikeAking:

It is impossible to communicate with God through prayers,you can also attest to this fact.

LikeAking:

True prayer is 100% human.That's the right way.
The Gods where introduced into prayer to make man a slave to prayer.
It's a human affair.

LikeAking:

You pray by motivating your self with positive words and questions.

Kobojunkie:
The only love that is pure is Love that is of God. No other kind of love will do. Oh, I have done acts of what I call love, and then I have obeyed God and acted in obedience to him who is Love. I can tell you that my kind of love does not compare to God's kind of love in anyway.

Kobojunkie:
Funny you should ask that particular question. In fact, I learnt how to properly wipe my arse, after praying to Jesus about it. And I am happy I died to my ego and did that too.

Kobojunkie:
Again, this is simple! If He says jump this high... don't try to complicate it. Just do what He says to do is all. Try it his way and see what happens

MuttleyLaff:
Bible 101, would let you know you that out of the no less than seven expressions of love, it is agape love, of course, all along that's what's being discussed here. Agape love, as in meaning, unconditional love, a love with no strings attached.

MuttleyLaff:

God is Love. We are expected to exude this extra-ordinary trait of God. You are expected to exude the God kind of love, not necessarily your kind of love, if you can help it and/or have the grace.
I bet you learned how to make sensual and passionate love with your partner from Him telling you too. He even taught or showed you how to pick your nose, I suppose too.

MuttleyLaff:

Jesus wasn't rolling out a prayer script for the disciples to parrot read out.
If He had said when you want to jump, jump like this and then jumped six feet in the air. He wasn't expecting you to from then on be jumping six feet in the air all time you jump
Amy.

Kobojunkie:

That ain't no fact. I have spoken to God through prayer and He has answered on numerous occassions. I have had situations where even before I open my mouth to speak, He tells me he already had it covered.
I am sorry, I guess you are alone in your thoughts there.

You do know that you cannot manufacture your own truth? right?
There is no truth to anything you have said so far. Not even as far as the place of the mind as far as communication between beings human, is.

Humans don't need to pray to motivate themselves... If I need extra motivation, I have pills for that.

LikeAking:

Why do you think lot's of prayers to God are not answered?, it's because during prayer's humans can't communicate with God.Even our parents, loved ones,bfs and gfs answer our prayers to them quickly, then why is God always delaying his own,etc.

LikeAking:

If the God's can't do for humans, that which humans can do for themselves,humans should not also do what the God's can do for themselves. Simple.

LikeAking:

If you motivate your mind/thoughts with prayer you will get a better result.

LikeAking:

Prayer is supposed to be an avenue for humans to tap into their intelligent/God side,but religion twisted it.(Every human has a God side/is a God)

Kobojunkie:

I don't know why prayer's don't get answered in the case of others.
I used to have to answer my own prayers--- I had to make things happen of my own will and accord. But when I decided to get serious with God, I got a taste of what I would imagine it feels like to ride the "synchronicity highway". And I got hooked since then. I have a better understanding of what the problem was in my case, and I hope to go from having about 30% answered cases to 100% in good time.
There is no question that He can do for humans, and He does. But are humans willing to do what He requires of them as well?

That is a lie. If you motivate your mind and thoughts with your prayers, you will get the same things the world has been getting for thousands of years.
If that is what you want to get, that is good for you.

Prayer is supposed to be what the one who is prayed to wants it to be. Not what the one who prays desires for it to be instead. I think in your confusion, you have convinced yourself that you, the one who prays, gets to set the rules on how it ought to work -- the arrogance of man!