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Jesus does not support killing and he never killed anyone, so if some Christians are killing themselves that is un-Christ like and they do not speak for Christianity. But islam, Mohammed was known to be a violent man, one a particular day, he killed 700 jews, another time, an old woman wrote a poem against him which he did not like, next he did was to tie the woman to two camels and made the animals run in opposite directions thus tearing the old woman into 2 halves, another case he drove nails into the eyes of some people (though they did wrong). These are the acts of the best of men in the muslim world. So if 2 islamic factions are killing themselves, one can easily say they were inspired by their prophet.

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You just proved me right. You don't answer questions you see as a threat to Mohammed you only highlight statements and talk about them.
Am sure you saw the questions. But you ignore them cause you know your man was guilty.
Why should i trust such a man

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If u understand i told u to judge the religions based on their founders. I do not follow Elizabeth or human. I base my judgement on the bible. If u notice i have not referred you to any preacher like u did zakir and the rest. I follow Jesus so anyone can do what he wills once it's not lined up with the bible, it does not represent the bible.
Your Mohammed was a violent man so seeing his follwers killing themselves aligns with the type of person he is.

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the christian crusades were a response to the islamic jihads. The muslims killed and enslaved much more. They burnt libraries all over, in india, Persia etc

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But Indians are 79.8% Hindus not Islam. If Islam was an oppressive religion, Islam would have been the dormant religion in India.

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Neither of them founded any religion.
Jesus and Muhammad pbut were Jewish & Arab Muslims respectively that prayed to Allah the Muslim way just like previous prophets as clearly stated in the Bible, while the founder of Christianity was St. paul based on what disciples that took off when Jesus was caught (all their account was hear say) & Mary telling them that he ascended when he hasn't (based on Jesus' instructions) told him amongst others things.

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Even in a court of law, he who alleges must prove. So the onus is on you.
That's all.
How can you make an allegation & want me to prove what?
Your testimony/statement is your right, I can't take that from you.
All assertions I made, I provide my evidences & facts.

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Then it means Christ was never a Christ-like (Christian) and is poles apart with 99.9999% of Christians.
Because Christians and violence are 5&6 or like bread & butter in all ramification.
-Tell me that most beer parlours are not setup & manned by Christians all over the world.
- who owns most strip clubs & who are the Major stakeholders, staff & patronizers.
- Most brothels are set up by which religion, workers & who patronizes it the most.
Go round the world or even Nigeria of the 19 northern States, 80-90% of prostitutes are Christains, go to ejigbo, ikeja, allen etc in Lagos, artillery, igwurita, GRA, onne, ishioko, elious, rumuigbo, rumuokoro, chioba, waterline etc in pH, sabon gari , gidan mangoro in kano, kabala, barnawa, sabo in Kaduna, umudike, umuahia, aba in Abia, Eket, Maitama, Abak, ibeno, Nsit atai, etc in Akwa ibom, even Maiduguri with BHT attacks has 70% of Christian prostitutes. see I have stayed all over nigeria and the story is the same.
- 419, majority are Christians.
- Incest, same religion.
- armed robber's, same religion.
- kidnapping, same religion.
- Rituals, same religion.
- cultism, same religion. One wonders if . . . was a cultists.
- human trafficking, same religion.
Etc.
My annoyance is that Muslims are learning all these abominable acts from Christians.

That's to say most Christians are lost and holding on to John 3:16 as their last card/joker into heaven.

Its left for you to follow Christ or Christianity.
The choice is yours.

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Can you please tell us the percentage of the world population that speaks Hebrew or Greek the language of the Bible?

Are you insinuating that Judaism of which Jesus was deeply immersed in was a Jewish project, Islam an Arabia project (God forbid), that's why Greeks came up with the Christian project that the Englishmen copied & panel beat it to suite their lazy ass (John 3:16, Salvation without working to it) so they can commit adultery at will, produced pornographic movie, practice gay & lesbianism, same sex marriage, eat pork, consume alcohol and make billions from it, produce the bestselling book in the world for profit & at the same time make heaven going by John 3:16.

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Have you forgotten Christianity "predates" Islam by 600years and the only possibility was that they learnt it from Catholics & Protestant whom in turn learnt it from Jesus Christ the Jewish Messiah amongst other evidences against him was when he asked disciples to buy a sword (weapon).

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Qur'an 6:159

Sahih International: Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only [left] to Allah ; then He will inform them about what they used to do.

Pickthall: Lo! As for those who sunder their religion and become schismatics, no concern at all hast thou with them. Their case will go to Allah, Who then will tell them what they used to do.

Yusuf Ali: As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.

Shakir: Surely they who divided their religion into parts and became sects, you have no concern with them; their affair is only with Allah, then He will inform them of what they did.

Muhammad Sarwar: Some of those who have divided their religion into different sects are not your concern. Their affairs are in the hands of God Who will show them all that they have done.

Mohsin Khan: Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects), you (O Muhammad SAW) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allah, Who then will tell them what they used to do.

Arberry: Those who have made divisions in their religion and become sects, thou art not of them in anything; their affair is unto God, then He will tell them what they have been doing.

Quran Recitation by Saad Al-Ghamadi

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What about the resin head comment. Why did u ignore that one.

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How does what you quoted disprove the fact that the sects were inspired by Muhammad to be violent?

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How does what you quoted disprove the fact that the sects were inspired by Mohammed to be violent?

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Nobody is rewriting history here.
I am giving you the words of God Almighty and not historians.
If you read the account of Nigerian civil war, virtually all historians gave a biased account base on their ethnic background, they sided with their people.
Which made one to ask in one of the accounts, does the sins of northern politicians affect the military personnel from the region, or is killing of spouses in cold blood without recourse to a court of law the Biblical punishment/teachings for an alleged offence of corruption?

As they are mostly Christians, is this what Christianity is all about?
Retribution of sin.

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I laugh at your logic. Despite the bible saying why he asked them to buy swords you still make up stories and draw your own conclusion.
The prophecy of Jesus being
Isaiah 53:12, “And he was numbered with the transgressors.”
So pls read before you post a comment.

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The Qur'an is the source of authority & inspiration in Islam and not anyone else.

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Thats why the bible was translated into several languages. Allah only understands arabic. Jesus said go into the world and teach all nations. Mohammed was killing and enslaving to expand his religion.

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What is a sword?

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And Christian Crusade was evangelical mission I guess

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I read a dozen times and can't see logic in an illogical act.
Please can you help me out?

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Lol who were the biggest slave traders? Who started suicide bombing? They still trade slaves in some Muslim countries in secret through.
Christian is someone christ like who is born again. Cos my name is Paul or Esther does not mean am a Christian. Quote me a bible verse that supports the claim.
You really have no point.
So much logic from a self acclaimed author.

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Am sorry i cant help as you are not honest whn it comes to conversation. Once you are backed to a corner instead of you to own up, you jump to another topic.

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Who did these people kill to warrant such . . . or are their lives not sacred?

Deuteronomy (7:1-4):
When the Lord, your God, brings you into the land to which you are coming to possess it, He will cast away many nations from before you: the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivvites, and the Jebusites, seven nations more numerous and powerful that you. And the Lord, your God, will deliver them to you, and you shall smite them. You shall utterly destroy them; neither shall you make a covenant with them, nor be gracious to them. You shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughter to his son, and you shall not take his daughter for your son. For he will turn away your son from following Me, and they will worship the gods of others, and the wrath of the Lord will be kindled against you, and He will quickly destroy you.

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It was a response to push back the Muslims.pls read i have said this several times

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Lol show me where the bible says its a person's name that is criteria for admittance into God's kingdom.
Jesus said expressly in John 3 vs 16. If you believe in him, that is the key. If u believe in Jesus you will act like him although u will sin but your mind is still on Jesus.
Am really sorry i am beginning to doubt your authorship. It seems all you do is cut and paste. No logic or research work.

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Lol show me where the bible says its a person's name that is criteria for admittance into God's kingdom.
Jesus said expressly in John 3 vs 16. If you believe in him, that is the key. If u believe in Jesus you will act like him although u will sin but your mind is still on Jesus.
Am really sorry i am beginning to doubt your authorship. It seems all you do is cut and paste. No logic or research work.

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Did I say that?

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That is your opinion.

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I know the fraud you are asking me to watch. I will not bother myself watching him. You quoted scriptures and I replied via scriptures. I asked you a question.All I need is a simple answer not a 10 minute video. So answer the question "
When pilate asked his offence what did they say?"

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The Paul you are castigating, your prophet referred to in the quran that your islamic scholar, al-Qurtubi, agrees with and says Paul was sent to Rome. Or you want to throw Al Qurtubi under the bus as you did for Ibn Khatir ? or you just practicing tequiyya that you guys are famous for?

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You dont have opinions in isalm, once its in the hadith its a law. Your prophet asks you to drink camel urine and milk. You dare not condemn him for saying that, despite the fact that you know its harmful. so your opinion about camel urine does not count. Mohammed is always right.

The mistake you make is thinking Christianity was by Paul. the disciples were called christians before Paul was one. so how can that be logically possible that Paul created Christianity. Think about it.

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So the tafsir is wrong right?

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That is not the purpose of the jizyah. The pact of umar says otherwise

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So cos its Britannica means they Christians? Sorry, i have not seen anywhere in the bible that writing in the encyclopedia Britannica makes you a Christian. Forget research what does your book say? So ibn khatir is wrong and he is a fraud right?

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I sent you quotes from your book. You're sending me Britannica. Which carries more weight? The pact of Umar was to subjugate the Christians and I have shown you proof from your books

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This is the reason for the Jizyah

. . . demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation, degradation and disgrace."

https://quranx.com/Tafsir/Kathir/9.28

Its to disgrace the people muslims attacked and took over their lands

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I am not a member of DJ freeze's church and he has his own opinion.
You still have not answered my question. Stop diverting attention with irrelevant comment
I see as you threw your scholar under the bus to save your own skin.

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Bring me history not the ones written in your books. Anyone can make a claim. Bring other sources that God told Christians to attack Muslims

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Please stay.
Okay what do you want me to do?

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This is how confused you are.
You don't even know what you want.