Why would a woman who is prepared to put up with her husband's affair be more of a woman than one who accedes to her hubby's demands that she cook or learn how to cook?

you said yourself that you're not sure if she did it for a political purpose.

anyways, nobody is saying females shouldn't know how to cook. the point is, whether they know how to or aren't interested in it, all females have values.

maybe there should be a thread that reads "what's the value of an unemployed man"

'cause i would really love to hear your opinions on that.

kulaShaker:

Wesleyana
just want to say you right about feminism

it is interesting to see how even the young generation are taking on thesame roles as their fathers in relations to women and our roles. Orr is it just a display of male bravado Interesting discussion.

thanks!!

who is this he goat, who brought u into this

i man what a stupid name

WesleyanA:

you said yourself that you're not sure if she did it for a political purpose.

Where? When?        

anyways, nobody is saying females shouldn't know how to cook. the point is, whether they know how to or aren't interested in it, all females have values.

That's besides the point.That all females have values has never been in contest.That a female is less desirable as marriage partner if she can't cook/won't cook is in contest.

maybe there should be a thread that reads "what's the value of an unemployed man"

We know for a fact that women place "less value" on an unemployed man vis a vis an employed man.They place greater value on a wealthy man compared to a less wealthy man.Having such a thread will be entirely in order just as this thread is.

no she didn't "just happen to be a woman."
if this was the case, women wouldn't be a minority in govt.

The first question to ask would be WHY do you think women are a minority in government? Is this due to gender inequality or merely a result of traditional gender roles?

you took the words right out of my mouth(text out of my typing fingers)
The argument can be made that most women aren't as interested in politics/ running for office as men are.  This does not mean women are being plotted against.

proverbial:

you took the words right out of my mouth(text out of my typing fingers)
The argument can be made that most women aren't as interested in politics/ running for office as men are.  This does not mean women are being plotted against.

Don't forget that men are also a minority in tertiary institutions.I suppose we can deduce from that,that men are being discriminated against

Both men and women are forced into roles that they may not be interested in just because of their gender. It's bad.

sirleaf johnson, first female president in Africa is a feminist by the way.

I-man:

Where? When?

That's besides the point.That all females have values has never been in contest.That a female is less desirable as marriage partner if she can't cook/won't cook is in contest.
We know for a fact that women place "less value" on an unemployed man vis a vis an employed man.They place greater value on a wealthy man compared to a less wealthy man.Having such a thread will be entirely in order just as this thread is.

richyblack posted the "statement"
you guys sound so much alike, sorry if i mix you up sometimes.


okay then, case closed.
this is all about opinion and personal choices. there are some women who will think that less wealthy men also have values.

the topic title is what i have problems with.

Sources:
1. http://www.newstatesman.com/200311170040

2. http://www.thenation.com/doc/19990809/kaminer

Seun:

Both men and women are forced into roles that they may not be interested in just because of their gender.  It's bad.

I asked the question earlier,whether the women are prepared to relinquish some of the expectations they have of men,particularly in regards to finances.I was met with no reply.

If they are not prepared to relinquish much,I wonder why they are up in arms about expectations we have of them.

Both men and women are forced into roles that they may not be interested in just because of their gender. It's bad.

This is mostly applicable in non-1st world countries, e.g. I have seen men stay home and take care of the kids while the wife brings home all the income (in the west).

It's bad.

true, but not always.

RichyBlacK:

Sources:
1. http://www.newstatesman.com/200311170040
2. http://www.thenation.com/doc/19990809/kaminer

quote from this source of yours:
"I was dumbfounded when, during the Monica scandal, countless feminists came out and defended him. What kind of feminism is this? How can it be fine to abuse certain kinds of women - young, poor, uneducated - while others are placed on pedestals and admired for their steeliness? What kind of feminist is Hillary, who sanctions Bill's behaviour because it feeds her own ambition?"

so yeah, she stayed with him partly for her political ambition
and, apparently, many feminists defended clinton during the lewinsky scandal.

I read both sources and didn't find anywhere that many feminists were appalled that hillary didn't divorce her husband.
i didn't find this:
"Many feminists who thought she was on their camp, were disappointed and angry at her when she did not employ their weapon of choice after Bill Clinton's philandering was exposed - divorce."

are you missing a source or you made the statement up? 'cause i think you made it up.

WesleyanA:

sirleaf johnson, first female president in Africa is a feminist by the way.

Is this a fact or just your oppinion? It's getting very difficult to differentiate between the two now. What of Benazir Bhuto, President in a country where women are not even allowed to attend college, was she a feminist?

anabell:

@richyblack or whatever your bastard name is, i can now see u are a bloody bleeped up bitch ass weaklin!Y else will u trade words with a girl, i feel sorri 4 your wife or girlfriend because she has a bitter old bitch 4 a husband or boyfriend, i really tot people like u have been erase from this earth how come u are still around bitch?like i said my dear bastard get a lifeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

_{Okay, swine struggling to drag me into mud pit}

So, you think just because you have a diminished d*$k clitoris, then I'll just ignore your insults? You must be f*&king retarded. Stop being angry at men! We did not put you where you are today! The yeye choices you made put you in the shit hole you're in, okay. Adjust your outlook to life and maybe some guy will act positively before you increase the number of bastards in the world. Cracked baby mama!

_{Trying not to stay too long in mud pit}

Na wa oooh. So, for me to make a statement I have to quote a source? I made a statement based on my knowledge (gathered then) of the issue. I can't make a statement from a source without acknowledging the source; that's plagiarism!

From, the source Suzzane Moore questioned Hillary's feminist credentials by asking that question you highlighted.

davidylan:

Is this a fact or just your oppinion? It's getting very difficult to differentiate between the two now. What of Benazir Bhuto, President in a country where women are not even allowed to attend college, was she a feminist?

i don't know who Benazir Bhuto is.
but you can listen to the closing comments in BBC interview with sirleaf.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/specials/924_interview_archiv/index.shtml
and most especially read one of her interviews here.

http://www.theperspective.org/articles/1004200501.html

read the parts in bold.



Is Africa ready for a woman president?

Oh yes, definitely. Africa is ready for a woman president. The continent has many strong professional women in very key positions and they have demonstrated competence and courage. So the population is ready, the challenges and responsibility will be great and if elected, I will make sure the doors are open and I will demonstrate in every way that women are equal and they excel because of the extra-sensitivity and honesty they bring to the task beyond professionalism. With the example of professionalism and honesty set at the highest level, we will see more women challenging and winning.

Improving the conditions women working in now with NGOs…

Women have not enjoyed the same opportunities as men in our traditions. Usually women got married too early. Whenever there was a choice to send a boy child or a girl child to school, the boy got sent to school to become a professional while the girl got married to become a housewife. So we will work hard on gender equality by stressing the education for girls. We are also concerned about our market women, many of whom are illiterate. We will prioritize adult literacy programs so that they can learn to read and write. At the professional level, we will stress the presence of women without sacrificing competence and qualifications. It will be like putting in place a sort of “affirmative action” plan for women.

About America’s influence on her policies

My broad experience is really beaded in my country. That experience comes from the background of my parents who were from an indigenous stock but benefited from the settlers’ culture. My family’s past has shaped my views about what needs to be done for the rural population. My professional life has not just been in the US. I have done lot of work around the world, especially living and working in other parts of Africa on development issues. My views and experience go beyond America, although I have learned much from there through my education and work. I also value some of the ideals of democracy in America, such as freedom of speech and association and others things that we might want to emulate in Liberia.

@richyblack the weaklin woman slayer, u are back now to exchage words with  a woman lol are u sure u are a man? u have very filty mouth which makes my guess rite that u were brought up in the slum can u kindly buy a tooth brush on ur way home and a bottle of izal to wash ur mouth cos sometin died in it and it stinks like a trash can.Gosh from the way u talk i feel like am wastin useful time talkin to gutter ass bitch

WesleyanA:

i don't know who Benazir Bhuto is.

First strike! Unlike Hillary Clinton and Sirleaf, Bhuto led Pakistan a predominantly muslim nation where women are alleged to have only half the brain of a man, a culture where women are mere sex objects, a culture where women cannot travel without a male escort, are prevented from going to school and can be hanged for being raped.
She won elections because she convinced the voters she was better than her opponents not by trumpeting feminist ideals!

WesleyanA:

I will demonstrate in every way that women are equal

Old story. We all know men and women are equal, even the bible says so. Does that make us all feminists?

WesleyanA:

Women have not enjoyed the same opportunities as men in our traditions. Usually women got married too early. Whenever there was a choice to send a boy child or a girl child to school, the boy got sent to school to become a professional while the girl got married to become a housewife. So we will work hard on gender equality by stressing the education for girls. We are also concerned about our market women, many of whom are illiterate. We will prioritize adult literacy programs so that they can learn to read and write. At the professional level, we will stress the presence of women without sacrificing competence and qualifications. It will be like putting in place a sort of “affirmative action” plan for women.

UNICEF is pursuing the same goals, it is not a feminist organisation!

WesleyanA:

I also value some of the ideals of democracy in America, such as freedom of speech and association and others things that we might want to emulate in Liberia.

the ideals of democracy have been in existence during the period of the ancient greek civilization, freedom of speech is hardly an ideal that can be credited to the feminist movement.

this is clear demonstration that you are merely grasping at straws. you dont have a firm idea of what feminism is all about. Stick to planning for college.

@richyblack ass bitch readin ur post just makes me really sick are u for real? or do u just Bleep animals 4 a livin

@Davidylan
You forgot Zia  of Bangladesh,Sukarnoputri of Indonesia  

@ I-man, thanks for reminding me. I forgot to mention those other notable "feminists".

When making a point, you do not always need to quote a source, you can actually construct an argument by using several facts.

*It well-known that the feminists movement spearheaded the wide adoption of "no-fault" divorce in the West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism). *Cheating is considered a form of emotional abuse.
*Bill cheated on Hilary (many times with different women )
*Feminists are opposed to all forms of abuse to women (physical, emotional, etc.)
*It is reasonable to assume that feminists will want the abuse on Hilary by Bill to stop.
*A welcomed option for stopping the abuse is divorce.
*Feminists will see Hilary as enabling Bill by remaining in the marriage.
*Solely based on the philandering ways of Bill and Hilary remaining by his side, feminists have no reason to be proud of Hilary.

Construction complete. Tell me what you disagree with.

Old story. We all know men and women are equal, even the bible says so. Does that make us all feminists?

no. many people use the bible to support their claims that men and women are NOT equal.

again. just in case you missed the definition:

fem·i·nism (fĕm'ə-nĭz'əm) pronunciation
n.

1. Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes.
2. The movement organized around this belief.

UNICEF is pursuing the same goals, it is not a feminist organisation!

yeah. UNICEF is definitely a pro-feminist organization.
esp. with the fact that most of it's work is concentrated with third world countries where women's rights aren't advanced.






I'll place a bet that many of those females you mention (even if i've never heard of them) are feminists.

RichyBlacK:

When making a point, you do not always need to quote a source, you can actually construct an argument by using several facts.

*It well-known that the feminists movement spearheaded the wide adoption of "no-fault" divorce in the West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism). *Cheating is considered a form of emotional abuse.
*Bill cheated on Hilary (many times with different women )
*Feminists are opposed to all forms of abuse to women (physical, emotional, etc.)
*It is reasonable to assume that feminists will want the abuse on Hilary by Bill to stop.
*A welcomed option for stopping the abuse is divorce.
*Feminists will see Hilary as enabling Bill by remaining in the marriage.
*Solely based on the philandering ways of Bill and Hilary remaining by his side, feminists have no reason to be proud of Hilary.

Construction complete. Tell me what you disagree with.

let me construct something for you

oranges grow on trees
apples grow on trees
oranges are fruits
apples are fruits
oranges are round
apples are round

therefore apples and oranges are the same.


my point: there are so many holes in your construction.

RichyBlacK:

When making a point, you do not always need to quote a source, you can actually construct an argument by using several facts.

*It well-known that the feminists movement spearheaded the wide adoption of "no-fault" divorce in the West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism). *Cheating is considered a form of emotional abuse.
*Bill cheated on Hilary (many times with different women )
*Feminists are opposed to all forms of abuse to women (physical, emotional, etc.)
*It is reasonable to assume that feminists will want the abuse on Hilary by Bill to stop.
*A welcomed option for stopping the abuse is divorce.
*Feminists will see Hilary as enabling Bill by remaining in the marriage.
*Solely based on the philandering ways of Bill and Hilary remaining by his side, feminists have no reason to be proud of Hilary.

Construction complete. Tell me what you disagree with.

nothing wrong with your argument to be honest. especially if it's centered around opinion rather than facts
but you really need to learn the definition of feminism.

WesleyanA:

no. many people use the bible to support their claims that men and women are NOT equal.

Yeah, people like you who read the bible upside down.

WesleyanA:

yeah. UNICEF is definitely a pro-feminist organization.
esp. with the fact that most of it's work is concentrated with third world countries where women's rights aren't advanced.

Medicins Sans Frontiers works mainly in third world countries, maybe it is also a pro-feminist organization.

The UNICEF is an arm of the UN, is the UN pro-feminist? It's better to stick to high school integrated science than saying things you have no clue about.

WesleyanA:

nothing wrong with your argument to be honest. especially if it's centered around opinion rather than facts
but you really need to learn the definition of feminism.

I was almost fooled into thinking you were self-righteouslessly refering to urself here. I cant count the number of times u have used IMO on this thread.
Besides it seems u're the one who has got the definition of feminism all tied up in a knot. Example? Refering to UNICEF as a pro-feminist organization! First time in my life i heard that!

anabell:

@richyblack the weaklin woman slayer, u are back now to exchage words with a woman lol are u sure u are a man? u have very filty mouth which makes my guess rite that u were brought up in the slum can u kindly buy a tooth brush on your way home and a bottle of izal to wash your mouth because sometin died in it and it stinks like a trash can.Gosh from the way u talk i feel like am wastin useful time talkin to gutter ass bitch

Anabell doubts RichyBlack's gender. LOL!
Yep, grew in a slum, for sure.
Izal! Men, e don tay I hear that word!

anabell:

@richyblack ass bitch readin your post just makes me really sick are u for real? or do u just mess animals 4 a livin

Alright, crack head, seems your anger is consuming you! Chill. I understand you were attacked abused by all the men you've ever known, but that doesn't mean all men are like that. Get off the hormones you're taking, eat right, think positively, and everything will be fine. But this your nasty attitude will lead you nowhere. You'll just be going in circles until you become irrelevant. Keep up the anger towards men, none of us have time for fat, nasty, ugly ass biatches like you. Be posting hear while yesterdays teens compete with you at every level. Agba iya like you, still rubbing shoulders with kids your mates have given birth to. Go watch PBS or something and educate yourself instead of sitting and getting angry. Anger solves nothing. The clock is still ticking, time is running out. Just because your mom didn't cook for your dad doesn't mean we are going to accept you doing the same!


_{Trying to get out of mud pit but swine pulling me back in}

davidylan:


It's better to stick to high school integrated science than saying things you have no clue about.

hehe, easy on the young lady david. I believe she has graduated from HS and is college bound. aburo wa ni o. lol

davidylan:

Yeah, people like you who read the bible upside down.

Medicins Sans Frontiers works mainly in third world countries, maybe it is also a pro-feminist organization.

doctors without borders and woman rights are two different things. create a thread about them to start an argument on that.

it's just like asking if a politician likes his job.
apparently, if you want to work for woman rights, you have to believe in the equal rights of women.

The UNICEF is an arm of the UN, is the UN pro-feminist?
It's better to stick to high school integrated science than saying things you have no clue about.

answer your own stupid question.

while you're at it:

Davidlylan is Nigerian, Is Nigeria anti-feminist?

WesleyanA:

nothing wrong with your argument to be honest. especially if it's centered around opinion rather than facts
but you really need to learn the definition of feminism.

Chill, what's so hard about knowing what feminism is? You'll get more than enough info here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism.

What in my construction is opinion and what is fact?

_{Having civilized argument with a woman/girl who hates mud pits}

See wetin food dey cause Medecin Sans Frontier,UNICEF,Clinton,Sukanorputri