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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 3:56am On May 30, 2020 |
shadeyinka: There are just two groups on this planet:- (1) Believers (2) Atheists Jesus used an illustration to explain this! Matthew 7:13-14 In his illustration Jesus referred to the line of thought that attracts believers as the narrow way but this line of thought irritates unbelievers so they prefer the broad way. Jesus' next comment emphasized a need for RECOGNITION {Matthew 7:15-20} here Jesus specifically said "you will know them" this raises the question why not "you will know him/her?" Jesus' use of the collective pronoun "them" can't be overemphasized, the identification of the sheep or the goat can't be clearly noticed when the observer can't compare, it's what is peculiar to there gathering that will help the onlooker to distinguish between the sheep and the goats. Matthew 25:31-46 At this junction let us carefully examine the two groups. The word BELIEVE connotes TRUST, this means a believer will have a considerable measure of TRUST in what he chooses, so whenever he is called upon to discharge his duties, a believer exert himself to give his best because he TRUSTED (BELIEVE) what he does. So if such people come together for a purpose, an observer will quickly notice the spirit of TRUST at work spontaneously as LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, KINDNESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL will start to permeate that gathering! Galatians 5:22-23 But what about the Atheists? This are persons who LACK TRUST each of them is focused on his own personal interest, that's why the qualities found in the midst of believers can never be found in their gathering, rather it's the direct opposite! Galatians 5:19-21 Jesus later used another illustration to explain what will happen during the end time, as God's only begotten son Jesus came to gather all these believers together to form one big family {Matthew 15:24} but Satan the confusionist {Revelations 12:9} will not permit him to do so that easily, so while Jesus is trying to gather the believers so that they can start bearing the fruitage of God's holy spirit, Satan keeps infusing his own agents in their midst {Matthew 13:24-26} this annoyed the angels working with Jesus, they wanted to stop Satan's moves {Matthew 13:27} but Jesus said "let them be for now, during the harvest you will easily see the fine seeds (believers) everywhere they may be in my farm (earth) by then you will first bind all the weeds together in bundles for destruction then you will gather the fine seeds together in my store house!" Matthew 13:28-30 During this endtime ATHEISTS are gathered in bundles but if you're not vigilant you won't notice it, as sexually immoral, extortioners, prideful, killers, vengeful, spiritists, and so on are navigating towards the group that soothes them, this is the works of angels today, they're gathering the atheists(unbelievers) in groups. But the believers (those who cherish trust) are coming out from wherever they are to locate their own group. Jesus' angels are working day and night collecting them together as one family! John 17:20-23 That's why you will see different people with totally contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all forming alliance against just one single group! Ordinarily this people are not in agreement due to the (lack of trust in them) but Satan is using them to antagonize Jesus' group of believers (those who cherish trust). Rozz if carefully notice the comments of each commentator who are against the JWs, you will see that they're against one notion:- TRUST! They want everyone to agree that there shouldn't be TRUST binding people as one, so to them no organised group can rightfully belong to God, each person should know within himself that he's worshiping God no matter the group you belong to. That's what Jesus revealed to John! Revelations 20:8-9 2 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 7:00am On May 30, 2020 |
Maximus69:See how much epistle is required to say whether Jesus is a Mighty God or Mighty god and at the end of the day, we still don't know either from the NWT or Maximus himself! |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 7:02am On May 30, 2020 |
Janosky:..I kuku didn't mention anyone's name, and yet pepper is peppering their bodies! LOL! 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 7:04am On May 30, 2020 |
Janosky:The question is simple: Is Jesus a Mighty God or Mighty god?. NWT has confused everyone and you aren't clarifying the issue either! 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 7:06am On May 30, 2020 |
Janosky:Pardon me bro! It was just a simple question! 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 7:10am On May 30, 2020 |
Janosky:My quote again: shadeyinka:Which one of the two statements above does not represent the JW teaching Please just point it/them out and stop throwing tantrums? 3 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 7:11am On May 30, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:But according to JWs, the NWT is the best translation in the whole world! It should be simple to comprehend! 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 7:14am On May 30, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:My question is not about whether they regard Jesus as Mighty or not BUT is Jesus a god or a God? It's confusing! 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 7:17am On May 30, 2020 |
shadeyinka:[img]https://s2/images/MuttleyDriveLaff.gif[/img] shadeyinka:This is why I sometimes call them a walking contradiction confused dot com |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 7:18am On May 30, 2020 |
Rozz:Not angel Gabriel But Micheal and that is a true statement of what they believe. Did you read the link https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-teach/who-is-michael-the-archangel-jesus/ It is from their own website 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 7:21am On May 30, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:Confused dot com ����� And instead of showing humility by not even replying to this thread, they jump up and down trying to defend the indefensible! 2 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 7:29am On May 30, 2020 |
shadeyinka:Butter/margarine is not a delicacy for every palate. Regarding this particular case, the word humility has no meaning. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 7:32am On May 30, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:I perfectly agree with you 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:59am On May 30, 2020 |
olamy7: And when you read down to 18 you have "no one has ever seen God". You're interpreting the Bible in a way that it seems it is contradicting itself. 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:07am On May 30, 2020 |
shadeyinka: Message was meant for Rozz Sir! You've heard your chances remember? The same thing that irritated you back then was this idea of "One God One Organization" Well 8,700,000 individuals throughout the earth who submitted themselves to this organization willingly have agreed with the concept! So if you still have one or two things to ask them, please do well to contact your former JW friends Sir, they'll feel privileged to welcome you back with open arms! For now Rozz is trying to figure out what exactly made JWs so efficacious and diligent in their study of the Bible, despite the fact that they hold totally different opinion from all others! God bless you! 2 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:15am On May 30, 2020 |
hoopernikao: I'm not a JW but you are giving points in favour of Janosky's argument with that "it is context and interpretation..." talk. If you read John 1:1 in context you'll see the way the Word that was God would not be the God Himself, especially if you read it alongside John 1:18 that states "no one has ever seen God". 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by olamy7(m): 8:21am On May 30, 2020 |
HedwigesMaduro:well I think you understand that God came in flesh and not as a real nature of himself. nNo one has ever seen God, but God the one and only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known (John 1:18). from the above verse, last sentence said He made the father to be known. Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'"(John 14:9). read the verse above. I presume you will still doubt what you just read |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:27am On May 30, 2020 |
shadeyinka: Eyes you have but spiritually speaking you're blind! Because that same version (NWT) is what the one and only group that succeeded in making LOVE, JOY and PEACE work in their midst are using just as any intelligent student do make use of a textbook of his choice to fully understand a subject! Ears you have but spiritually speaking you're deaf! Because if you're not, even if you detest the NWT so much, haven't you heard how God's Prophet Isaiah referred to Jesus as (Wonderful Counselor)? yet his followers who speaks the same language with Jesus rejected him after spending years following this so called "Wonderful Counselor"! Matthew 13:13 Well for your information their reason for deserting the best Counselor ever was "he is a confusionist"! John 6:61-66 Yet according to his followers that stood with him and were granted God's holy spirit months later, Peter said "this same Jesus (whom his own people rejected) is the one and only means of salvation" Act 4:11 So my business now is Rozz who noticed the mark but in doubt due to interceptions from rivers of distraction like you! 3 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by olamy7(m): 8:35am On May 30, 2020 |
Janosky:well, I know you are reading the Bible blindly. God came in flesh does not equate to him being the real God. because the real God is not a flesh!! But the real God came as a flesh. I hope you understand this 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 9:12am On May 30, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: One can equally replace WALKING with WORKING the light keep getting brighter you know. This particular light is still WALKING from dullness to brightness or WORKING still under ENGINEERING work. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 9:19am On May 30, 2020 |
achorladey:[img]https://s1/images/MuttAmin.gif[/img] |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:56am On May 30, 2020 |
Just because the Israelites insisted saying "JEHOVAH is the one and only TRUE God, you must come and join us before you can worship our God acceptably" All the nations around the Mediterranean Sea became enemies of God's people! Jesus sent his own followers in search of "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" {Matthew 10:6} perhaps Jesus was referring to Israelites who welcomes different styles of worship shey? Certainly Jesus meant those who holds the same line of thought just like faithful Israelites of ancient times! MANY RIVERS TO CROSS! |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 10:53am On May 30, 2020 |
HedwigesMaduro: I am not sure you saw any interpretation in my post. The post is clear and my focus is not on interpretation but correct usage of words. In English when someone is supposed to use came and he used come, that is a grammar issue not interpretation issue. And no matter how good the interpretation looks it will be flawed if it's usage of words is flawed. Whether John 1:1 means god or God is not the target of my writing. The purpose is John using Theos is not an argument or evidence that he is speaking about god or about God, Theos can mean both in Greek lexicon. Hence no one can use such as basis of argument of God/god. And I guess it's a major issue when commuters can differentiate meaning of words from interpretation. And on your John 1:18 and down, I will appreciate to have your interpretation of god/God on it. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 10:58am On May 30, 2020 |
Janosky: I doubt if you ever know a proper way to communicate your thoughts than climbing the roof top to shout. I also feel you may be programmed or a robot like as you don't keep memory of past discussion. I won't take this as indoctrination but a willless personality. Lastly, maybe an extension of the above. It is also obvious you don't read properly and that impact your understanding of discussion. What concerns ton Theon in all this. You are only reinventing the wheel. I have had this same discussion with you 3 times here, yet you are robotic. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 11:27am On May 30, 2020 |
Janosky:[img]https://s7/images/10673651674_f126d7c228_n.jpg[/img] My shadow projects from me, lmao. My shadow is there facing me. Jesus, the God incarnate, is a projection of God, so therefore this Externalisation can face towards God too. Do you believe that the idea of Jesus facing towards Janosky:Oh dear. |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 11:45am On May 30, 2020 |
Janosky: Let me help you reboot to recover past memory. Below is a post from our last discussion. This is one of my several response to you to correct your error. Likewise dont forget how you and your folks turned this discussion to personality attack after you were exposed. Dont forget you resulted to name calling and all sort of distraction. I hope this wont end as such. Also, you still own me a review of your doctrine to current realities based on that discussion. It will do you good. https://www.nairaland.com/5782724/jesus-god-see/5#88395850
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 11:51am On May 30, 2020 |
Maximus69:How come the inconsistency of Jesus as Mighty God and Mighty god. If Jesus is a god, then he can't be God and vice versa! |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 11:55am On May 30, 2020 |
Maximus69:Trying hard to make s proselyte out of Ross Mat 23:15: "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves." 2 Likes |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 12:20pm On May 30, 2020 |
shadeyinka: OK you've come back to me, shey? You are welcome Sir! Please no insults, just ask your questions, no need correcting the other person by saying "you're wrong". If you're not satisfied, present your own understanding on the subject, and leave the audience to decide! Back to your question: Jesus is a mighty spirit being in heaven and he came to represent JEHOVAH his God and father on planet earth. That's why Isaiah could say "he will be called...... Mighty God" {Isaiah 9:6} Moses who equally represented Jehovah before Pharaoh in Egypt also served as God because he silenced and rendered all Egyptian God's! Exodus 7:1 1 Like |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 12:21pm On May 30, 2020 |
olamy7: I think we can always pretend we don't know about figure of speech if it suits our narrative. So if a man points to a boy and says "if you see that boy you've seen his father", it means the boy is his mom's husband right? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 12:23pm On May 30, 2020 |
shadeyinka: Yahweh called Man ELOHIM, you no see am for your Bible? Shadeyinka you are confusing yourself. You are just exaggerating a non consequential issue. Mighty God/god means the same thing in Hebrew language. Hebrew language has no case dichotomy. It's only in English we have small case and big case dichotomy. More so, Almighty God has no Father in the physical realm as well as spiritual realm. But Jesus your Mighty God has his Father and his God in both realms.. Bros, does Revelations 3:5,12 exist in your Bible? The screenshots you refused to see is here...
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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 12:26pm On May 30, 2020 |
HedwigesMaduro:Excellent response. Thank you Sir |
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