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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 3:56am On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

The NWT is confusing everybody except JWs.

There are just two groups on this planet:-

(1) Believers
(2) Atheists

Jesus used an illustration to explain this! Matthew 7:13-14
In his illustration Jesus referred to the line of thought that attracts believers as the narrow way but this line of thought irritates unbelievers so they prefer the broad way.
Jesus' next comment emphasized a need for RECOGNITION {Matthew 7:15-20} here Jesus specifically said "you will know them" this raises the question why not "you will know him/her?"
Jesus' use of the collective pronoun "them" can't be overemphasized, the identification of the sheep or the goat can't be clearly noticed when the observer can't compare, it's what is peculiar to there gathering that will help the onlooker to distinguish between the sheep and the goats. Matthew 25:31-46

At this junction let us carefully examine the two groups.
The word BELIEVE connotes TRUST, this means a believer will have a considerable measure of TRUST in what he chooses, so whenever he is called upon to discharge his duties, a believer exert himself to give his best because he TRUSTED (BELIEVE) what he does. So if such people come together for a purpose, an observer will quickly notice the spirit of TRUST at work spontaneously as LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, KINDNESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL will start to permeate that gathering! Galatians 5:22-23

But what about the Atheists? This are persons who LACK TRUST each of them is focused on his own personal interest, that's why the qualities found in the midst of believers can never be found in their gathering, rather it's the direct opposite! Galatians 5:19-21

Jesus later used another illustration to explain what will happen during the end time, as God's only begotten son Jesus came to gather all these believers together to form one big family {Matthew 15:24} but Satan the confusionist {Revelations 12:9} will not permit him to do so that easily, so while Jesus is trying to gather the believers so that they can start bearing the fruitage of God's holy spirit, Satan keeps infusing his own agents in their midst {Matthew 13:24-26} this annoyed the angels working with Jesus, they wanted to stop Satan's moves {Matthew 13:27} but Jesus said "let them be for now, during the harvest you will easily see the fine seeds (believers) everywhere they may be in my farm (earth) by then you will first bind all the weeds together in bundles for destruction then you will gather the fine seeds together in my store house!" Matthew 13:28-30
During this endtime ATHEISTS are gathered in bundles but if you're not vigilant you won't notice it, as
sexually immoral,
extortioners,
prideful,
killers,
vengeful,
spiritists, and so on are navigating towards the group that soothes them, this is the works of angels today, they're gathering the atheists(unbelievers) in groups.
But the believers (those who cherish trust) are coming out from wherever they are to locate their own group. Jesus' angels are working day and night collecting them together as one family! John 17:20-23

That's why you will see different people with totally contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all forming alliance against just one single group!

Ordinarily this people are not in agreement due to the (lack of trust in them) but Satan is using them to antagonize Jesus' group of believers (those who cherish trust).

Rozz if carefully notice the comments of each commentator who are against the JWs, you will see that they're against one notion:- TRUST!
They want everyone to agree that there shouldn't be TRUST binding people as one, so to them no organised group can rightfully belong to God, each person should know within himself that he's worshiping God no matter the group you belong to.
That's what Jesus revealed to John! Revelations 20:8-9

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 7:00am On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:


There are just two groups on this planet:-

(1) Believers
(2) Atheists

Jesus used an illustration to explain this! Matthew 7:13-14
In his illustration Jesus referred to the line of thought that attracts believers as the narrow way but this line of thought irritates unbelievers so they prefer the broad way.
Jesus' next comment emphasized a need for RECOGNITION {Matthew 7:15-20} here Jesus specifically said "you will know them" this raises the question why not "you will know him/her?"
Jesus' use of the collective pronoun "them" can't be overemphasized, the identification of the sheep or the goat can't be clearly noticed when the observer can't compare, it's what is peculiar to there gathering that will help the onlooker to distinguish between the sheep and the goats. Matthew 25:31-46

At this junction let us carefully examine the two groups.
The word BELIEVE connotes TRUST, this means a believer will have a considerable measure of TRUST in what he chooses, so whenever he is called upon to discharge his duties, a believer exert himself to give his best because he TRUSTED (BELIEVE) what he does. So if such people come together for a purpose, an observer will quickly notice the spirit of TRUST at work spontaneously as LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, KINDNESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL will start to permeate that gathering! Galatians 5:22-23

But what about the Atheists? This are persons who LACK TRUST each of them is focused on his own personal interest, that's why the qualities found in the midst of believers can never be found in their gathering, rather it's the direct opposite! Galatians 5:19-21

Jesus later used another illustration to explain what will happen during the end time, as God's only begotten son Jesus came to gather all these believers together to form one big family {Matthew 15:24} but Satan the confusionist {Revelations 12:9} will not permit him to do so that easily, so while Jesus is trying to gather the believers so that they can start bearing the fruitage of God's holy spirit, Satan keeps infusing his own agents in their midst {Matthew 13:24-26} this annoyed the angels working with Jesus, they wanted to stop Satan's moves {Matthew 13:27} but Jesus said "let them be for now, during the harvest you will easily see the fine seeds (believers) everywhere they may be in my farm (earth) by then you will first bind all the weeds together in bundles for destruction then you will gather the fine seeds together in my store house!" Matthew 13:28-30
During this endtime ATHEISTS are gathered in bundles but if you're not vigilant you won't notice it, as
sexually immoral,
extortioners,
prideful,
killers,
vengeful,
spiritists, and so on are navigating towards the group that soothes them, this is the works of angels today, they're gathering the atheists(unbelievers) in groups.
But the believers (those who cherish trust) are coming out from wherever they are to locate their own group. Jesus' angels are working day and night collecting them together as one family! John 17:20-23

That's why you will see different people with totally contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all forming alliance against just one single group!

Ordinarily this people are not in agreement due to the (lack of trust in them) but Satan is using them to antagonize Jesus' group of believers (those who cherish trust).

Rozz if carefully notice the comments of each commentator who are against the JWs, you will see that they're against one notion:- TRUST!
They want everyone to agree that there shouldn't be TRUST binding people as one, so to them no organised group can rightfully belong to God, each person should know within himself that he's worshiping God no matter the group you belong to.
That's what Jesus revealed to John! Revelations 20:8-9
See how much epistle is required to say whether Jesus is a Mighty God or Mighty god and at the end of the day, we still don't know either from the NWT or Maximus himself!
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 7:02am On May 30, 2020
Janosky:

Yes... Jesus Christ says Shadeyinka is obstinately wrong.


John 20:17,21,30-31.
17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”

21 Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.”

30 Now Jesus did many other signs vin the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
..I kuku didn't mention anyone's name, and yet pepper is peppering their bodies!
LOL!

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 7:04am On May 30, 2020
Janosky:

Hebrew EL-Gibbowr and Hebrew EL (God) means "Mighty One"
No PROOF of Trinity.

It is very AUTHENTIC and Genuine.
Greek Theos= A god/God.
John 17:3 , Jesus Christ calls the one/only True God TOV Theon.= Greek "The God".
The same Greek expression TOV Theon in John 17:3 & John 14:1 is NOT Jesus Christ.

John 1:1 English "the Word was with God= Greek"The Logos was facing towards the God.
One person can NEVER face towards himself.
Luke 9:35 Yahweh says No way !!

Bros, throway the Trinity FRAUD for dustbin grin
Further PROOF is in the screenshots
The question is simple:
Is Jesus a Mighty God or Mighty god?. NWT has confused everyone and you aren't clarifying the issue either!

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 7:06am On May 30, 2020
Janosky:


More Shadeyinka's GIBBERISH.
grin
Pardon me bro!
It was just a simple question!

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 7:10am On May 30, 2020
Janosky:

Shadeyinka's GIBBERISH.
You no even dey SHAME sef dey lie lie here. grin
You worship 3 deities, triune pagan deity.
Hebrew language EL (God) means "Mighty One".
Hebrew language EL-Gibbowr means "Mighty One".
Yahweh, the one true,Almighty God, the God (Greek TOV Theon) in John 1:1, is NOT Jesus Christ.
John 17:3 Jesus Christ calls you a LIAR.
No Truth for your mouth.
My quote again:
shadeyinka:

The Jehovah's Witness group actually has two separate Gods
1. God Almighty (Jehovah)
2. Mighty god( Jesus/Angel Michael)
Exo 20:3:
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."


I think you agree with them.
Which one of the two statements above does not represent the JW teaching
Please just point it/them out and stop throwing tantrums?

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 7:11am On May 30, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
Is this a good thing though?
Does it build the body of Christ and glorify God?
But according to JWs, the NWT is the best translation in the whole world! It should be simple to comprehend!

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 7:14am On May 30, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
Are you saying you're confused that JW don't see or perceive Jesus to be God ni?
My question is not about whether they regard Jesus as Mighty or not BUT is Jesus a god or a God?

It's confusing!

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 7:17am On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:
But according to JWs, the NWT is the best translation in the whole world! It should be simple to comprehend!


shadeyinka:
My question is not about whether they regard Jesus as Mighty or not BUT is Jesus a god or a God?
It's confusing!
This is why I sometimes call them a walking contradiction confused dot com
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 7:18am On May 30, 2020
Rozz:
haa,this is not true
Not angel Gabriel But Micheal and that is a true statement of what they believe. Did you read the link

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/bible-teach/who-is-michael-the-archangel-jesus/

It is from their own website

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 7:21am On May 30, 2020
MuttleyLaff:


This is why I sometimes call them a walking contradiction confused dot com
Confused dot com �����

And instead of showing humility by not even replying to this thread, they jump up and down trying to defend the indefensible!

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 7:29am On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:
Confused dot com �����

And instead of showing humility by not even replying to this thread, they jump up and down trying to defend the indefensible!
Butter/margarine is not a delicacy for every palate.
Regarding this particular case, the word humility has no meaning.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 7:32am On May 30, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
Butter/margarine is not a delicacy for every palate.
Regarding this particular case, the word humility has no meaning.
I perfectly agree with you

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by HedwigesMaduro(m): 7:59am On May 30, 2020
olamy7:
the word Trinity was not specifically mentioned in the Bible. but if you really read through the scripture, you will see the claim of trinity as one to be true.

John 1:1 says in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

1vs12 now says 'and the word was made flesh 'and we beheld his glory, the glory of the only begotten of the father'. full of grace and truth.

to make it clear: 1. the word was God 2.the word which was God came as a flesh 'Jesus came as a flesh'

John 4:24 says God is a spirit, and definitely, holy spirit was mostly mentioned by Jesus as the spirit of truth. so God is really the spirit and also Jesus. *so I would like to tell you to take the trinity as a person with many roles*

And when you read down to 18 you have "no one has ever seen God". You're interpreting the Bible in a way that it seems it is contradicting itself.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:07am On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

See how much epistle is required to say whether Jesus is a Mighty God or Mighty god and at the end of the day, we still don't know either from the NWT or Maximus himself!

Message was meant for Rozz Sir! wink

You've heard your chances remember? smiley

The same thing that irritated you back then was this idea of

"One God One Organization"

Well 8,700,000 individuals throughout the earth who submitted themselves to this organization willingly have agreed with the concept!

So if you still have one or two things to ask them, please do well to contact your former JW friends Sir, they'll feel privileged to welcome you back with open arms!

For now Rozz is trying to figure out what exactly made JWs so efficacious and diligent in their study of the Bible, despite the fact that they hold totally different opinion from all others!

God bless you! smiley

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by HedwigesMaduro(m): 8:15am On May 30, 2020
hoopernikao:


Mr Janosky

This is where I always have issue with some of you. You can't continue doing this when you have been corrected many times and you saw it yourself. It will amount to manipulation of the scriptures. I have shown you here many times and you have seen it that usage of theos in John 1:1 or any verse is not a reason to say it means a god. It is context and interpretation that will determine that. We have had this discussion severally here. I likewise pointed you to one of your organization post on their website that also corrected you but you kept holding the wrong meaning.

You can go ahead defending your doctrine but ensure you use words and scriptures within their meaning and context. This is how you can present yourself truthfully.

Theos is the main Greek name for God (the supreme being) and it can be used to mean any god. Every other word for God in Greek based on Theos such as Theon, Theous etc are inflexions of the main word Theos based on the grammar usage not meaning usage.

So you can use any other thing to explain but pointing to John 1:1 that because Theos was used then it means a god, will be a deliberate error of interpretation.

I'm not a JW but you are giving points in favour of Janosky's argument with that "it is context and interpretation..." talk. If you read John 1:1 in context you'll see the way the Word that was God would not be the God Himself, especially if you read it alongside John 1:18 that states "no one has ever seen God".

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by olamy7(m): 8:21am On May 30, 2020
HedwigesMaduro:


And when you read down to 18 you have "no one has ever seen God". You're interpreting the Bible in a way that it seems it is contradicting itself.
well I think you understand that God came in flesh and not as a real nature of himself.

nNo one has ever seen God, but God the one and only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known (John 1:18).

from the above verse, last sentence said He made the father to be known.

Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'"(John 14:9).

read the verse above.

I presume you will still doubt what you just read
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:27am On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

But according to JWs, the NWT is the best translation in the whole world! It should be simple to comprehend!

Eyes you have but spiritually speaking you're blind!
Because that same version (NWT) is what the one and only group that succeeded in making LOVE, JOY and PEACE work in their midst are using just as any intelligent student do make use of a textbook of his choice to fully understand a subject!


Ears you have but spiritually speaking you're deaf!
Because if you're not, even if you detest the NWT so much, haven't you heard how God's Prophet Isaiah referred to Jesus as (Wonderful Counselor)? yet his followers who speaks the same language with Jesus rejected him after spending years following this so called "Wonderful Counselor"! Matthew 13:13

Well for your information their reason for deserting the best Counselor ever was "he is a confusionist"! John 6:61-66

Yet according to his followers that stood with him and were granted God's holy spirit months later, Peter said "this same Jesus (whom his own people rejected) is the one and only means of salvation" Act 4:11

So my business now is Rozz who noticed the mark but in doubt due to interceptions from rivers of distraction like you! wink

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by olamy7(m): 8:35am On May 30, 2020
Janosky:


No DECEIVE yourself.
Luke 9:30-35 Read, Study and RECEIVE SENSE, Yahweh Himself Says Trinitarian TWIST of John 1:1,14 is a FRAUD.

The popular English version of John 1:1 IS VERY DIFFERENT from the koine Greek language of John 1:1. The Word was facing towards the God and the Word was divine (Greek Theos= a god/God).
The Word is Theos, A god= divine.
Bros,John1:1, John 17:3 says Jesus is NOT the True God,his Father.


Colossians 1:19, it PLEASES the Father, Yahweh TO GIVE divine quality (nature) to His Son.
well, I know you are reading the Bible blindly.

God came in flesh does not equate to him being the real God. because the real God is not a flesh!! But the real God came as a flesh.

I hope you understand this

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 9:12am On May 30, 2020
MuttleyLaff:


This is why I sometimes call them a walking contradiction confused dot com

One can equally replace WALKING with WORKING the light keep getting brighter you know. This particular light is still WALKING from dullness to brightness or WORKING still under ENGINEERING work.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 9:19am On May 30, 2020
achorladey:
One can equally replace WALKING with WORKING the light keep getting brighter you know.
This particular light is still WALKING from dullness to brightness or WORKING still under ENGINEERING work.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 9:56am On May 30, 2020
Just because the Israelites insisted saying

"JEHOVAH is the one and only TRUE God, you must come and join us before you can worship our God acceptably"

All the nations around the Mediterranean Sea became enemies of God's people!

Jesus sent his own followers in search of "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" {Matthew 10:6} perhaps Jesus was referring to Israelites who welcomes different styles of worship shey? cheesy

Certainly Jesus meant those who holds the same line of thought just like faithful Israelites of ancient times! smiley

MANY RIVERS TO CROSS! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 10:53am On May 30, 2020
HedwigesMaduro:


I'm not a JW but you are giving points in favour of Janosky's argument with that "it is context and interpretation..." talk. If you read John 1:1 in context you'll see the way the Word that was God would not be the God Himself, especially if you read it alongside John 1:18 that states "no one has ever seen God".

I am not sure you saw any interpretation in my post. The post is clear and my focus is not on interpretation but correct usage of words. In English when someone is supposed to use came and he used come, that is a grammar issue not interpretation issue. And no matter how good the interpretation looks it will be flawed if it's usage of words is flawed.

Whether John 1:1 means god or God is not the target of my writing. The purpose is John using Theos is not an argument or evidence that he is speaking about god or about God, Theos can mean both in Greek lexicon. Hence no one can use such as basis of argument of God/god.

And I guess it's a major issue when commuters can differentiate meaning of words from interpretation.

And on your John 1:18 and down, I will appreciate to have your interpretation of god/God on it.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 10:58am On May 30, 2020
Janosky:


LIAR Hupernikao. grin

What is definition of Greek Theos?
A god/God.
Acts 12:22. Acts28:6 Greek Theos is what?
John 17:3 Bros, is Jesus the one true God?
John 17:3,Either Hupernikao is lying or Jesus is lying. Choose one option.

Is Luke 9:30-35 still in your Bible?

STOP DECEIVING yourself, Hupernikao
John 1:1 koine Greek "the Word was facing towards Tov Theon (the God).
Jesus Christ can NEVER face towards himself.
John 1:1 says Jesus Christ is NOT the God Almighty.
Luke 9:35 Says Jesus Christ is NOT God Almighty.

Hupernikao has ZERO PROOF ANYWHERE that TOV Theon is Jesus Christ.

Geroutta here Bro.

I doubt if you ever know a proper way to communicate your thoughts than climbing the roof top to shout.

I also feel you may be programmed or a robot like as you don't keep memory of past discussion. I won't take this as indoctrination but a willless personality.

Lastly, maybe an extension of the above. It is also obvious you don't read properly and that impact your understanding of discussion.

What concerns ton Theon in all this. You are only reinventing the wheel. I have had this same discussion with you 3 times here, yet you are robotic.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MuttleyLaff: 11:27am On May 30, 2020
Janosky:
LIAR Hupernikao. grin

What is definition of Greek Theos?
A god/God.
Acts 12:22. Acts28:6 Greek Theos is what?
John 17:3 Bros, is Jesus the one true God?
John 17:3, Either Hupernikao is lying or Jesus is lying. Choose one option.

Is Luke 9:30-35 still in your Bible?

STOP DECEIVING yourself, Hupernikao
John 1:1 koine Greek "the Word was facing towards Tov Theon (the God).
Jesus Christ can NEVER face towards himself.
John 1:1 says Jesus Christ is NOT the God Almighty.
Luke 9:35 Says Jesus Christ is NOT God Almighty.

Hupernikao has ZERO PROOF ANYWHERE that TOV Theon is Jesus Christ.

My shadow projects from me, lmao.
My shadow is there facing me.

Jesus, the God incarnate, is a projection of God, so therefore this Externalisation can face towards God too.

Do you believe that the idea of Jesus facing towards the God, intimidates God?

Janosky:
Geroutta here Bro.
Oh dear.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by hoopernikao: 11:45am On May 30, 2020
Janosky:


LIAR
Geroutta here Bro.

Let me help you reboot to recover past memory. Below is a post from our last discussion. This is one of my several response to you to correct your error. Likewise dont forget how you and your folks turned this discussion to personality attack after you were exposed. Dont forget you resulted to name calling and all sort of distraction. I hope this wont end as such. Also, you still own me a review of your doctrine to current realities based on that discussion. It will do you good.

https://www.nairaland.com/5782724/jesus-god-see/5#88395850



THEON/THEOS Lexicon

See attachments below from your support organisation (JW websites). Its either you are not being dishonest or you dont read at all. I have helped you get it from your support base.

This is something i have pointed out to you severally but seems you dont read. A good student will go ahead and check if it's true or not. It is not smart just repeating errors that you have been pointed to.

I am not even talking of scriptures. I am talking of your use of Greek lexicon. It's totally wrong. You should learn it the way you learn English. Don't speak people's language/word without proper knowledge of the word.

Imaging saying Theon created Theos. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

Theon and Theos are not different words. They mean the same stop the embarrassment. I have shown you than ton Theon was used for a goddess. Theon and Theos are based on grammatical construction not religion. Stop and go and read your Greek well.

Theon, Theos, Theou etc are all different form of saying God depending on grammar but it is the context that should determine if its almighty God or anyother not the word formation.

The Greek used PANTHEON to mean remember of all Gods. It is related to anything deity.

Why is it a hard thing for you to learn. Go check books, Google and materials and stop embarrassing your myself and also misleading others. You can go ahead and prove your "Jesus is not God" without having to twist words.

Why do we like putting religion coloration to everything to the end that you refused glaring truth about language. Can you go to Greece or Greek speaking environment and say this. Please stop asking always of yourself.

I have given you below a simple Google search for

"what is the difference between THEON and THEOS in Greek"
See below attachment as Google results yourself. You can make same search.

I have also given you a snapshot of one of your support organizations JW sites that support his. See second and third attachments.

I have seen many of you propagate this lies all around NL. Please stop presenting yourself in bad light and untruthful.

It also show you arent abreast with your organisation way of using lexicon. Please go an learn.

Even in ancient Greek, Philosophers and writers like Socrates and Plato usage of God was mostly Theos because of the context. Please do research. It is not enough to just be typing.

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/40477/who-is-plato-and-socrates-god

Observe that evidence and facts i presented to you are internal to your organisation and doctrine so Please after this correct yourself to make discussing with you productive.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 11:51am On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:


Eyes you have but spiritually speaking you're blind!
Because that same version (NWT) is what the one and only group that succeeded in making LOVE, JOY and PEACE work in their midst are using just as any intelligent student do make use of a textbook of his choice to fully understand a subject!


Ears you have but spiritually speaking you're deaf!
Because if you're not, even if you detest the NWT so much, haven't you heard how God's Prophet Isaiah referred to Jesus as (Wonderful Counselor)? yet his followers who speaks the same language with Jesus rejected him after spending years following this so called "Wonderful Counselor"! Matthew 13:13

Well for your information their reason for deserting the best Counselor ever was "he is a confusionist"! John 6:61-66

Yet according to his followers that stood with him and were granted God's holy spirit months later, Peter said "this same Jesus (whom his own people rejected) is the one and only means of salvation" Act 4:11

So my business now is Rozz who noticed the mark but in doubt due to interceptions from rivers of distraction like you! wink
How come the inconsistency of Jesus as Mighty God and Mighty god.

If Jesus is a god, then he can't be God and vice versa!
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 11:55am On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:


Message was meant for Rozz Sir! wink

You've heard your chances remember? smiley

The same thing that irritated you back then was this idea of

"One God One Organization"

Well 8,700,000 individuals throughout the earth who submitted themselves to this organization willingly have agreed with the concept!

So if you still have one or two things to ask them, please do well to contact your former JW friends Sir, they'll feel privileged to welcome you back with open arms!

For now Rozz is trying to figure out what exactly made JWs so efficacious and diligent in their study of the Bible, despite the fact that they hold totally different opinion from all others!

God bless you! smiley
Trying hard to make s proselyte out of Ross
Mat 23:15:
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 12:20pm On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

How come the inconsistency of Jesus as Mighty God and Mighty god.

If Jesus is a god, then he can't be God and vice versa!

OK you've come back to me, shey? cheesy

You are welcome Sir!

Please no insults, just ask your questions, no need correcting the other person by saying "you're wrong".

If you're not satisfied, present your own understanding on the subject, and leave the audience to decide!

Back to your question:

Jesus is a mighty spirit being in heaven and he came to represent JEHOVAH his God and father on planet earth. That's why Isaiah could say "he will be called...... Mighty God" {Isaiah 9:6}
Moses who equally represented Jehovah before Pharaoh in Egypt also served as God because he silenced and rendered all Egyptian God's! Exodus 7:1 smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by HedwigesMaduro(m): 12:21pm On May 30, 2020
olamy7:
well I think you understand that God came in flesh and not as a real nature of himself.

nNo one has ever seen God, but God the one and only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known (John 1:18).

from the above verse, last sentence said He made the father to be known.

Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'"(John 14:9).

read the verse above.

I presume you will still doubt what you just read

I think we can always pretend we don't know about figure of speech if it suits our narrative. So if a man points to a boy and says "if you see that boy you've seen his father", it means the boy is his mom's husband right?

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 12:23pm On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

How come the inconsistency of Jesus as Mighty God and Mighty god.

If Jesus is a god, then he can't be God and vice versa!

Yahweh called Man ELOHIM, you no see am for your Bible?

Shadeyinka you are confusing yourself.
You are just exaggerating a non consequential issue.
Mighty God/god means the same thing in Hebrew language.

Hebrew language has no case dichotomy. It's only in English we have small case and big case dichotomy.

More so, Almighty God has no Father in the physical realm as well as spiritual realm.
But Jesus your Mighty God has his Father and his God in both realms..

Bros, does Revelations 3:5,12 exist in your Bible?

The screenshots you refused to see is here...

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 12:26pm On May 30, 2020
HedwigesMaduro:


I think we can always pretend we don't know about figure of speech if it suits our narrative. So if a man points to a boy and says "if you see that boy you've seen his father", it means the boy is his mom's husband right?
Excellent response.
Thank you Sir

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