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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 12:27pm On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

Trying hard to make s proselyte out of Ross
Mat 23:15:
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."

Triune pagan deity devotee dey quote Scriptures wey him no know grin grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 12:31pm On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

The question is simple:
Is Jesus a Mighty God or Mighty god?. NWT has confused everyone and you aren't clarifying the issue either!

Hebrew EL-Gibbowr= Mighty God/God.
Same meaning.

You don't want to see and hear the truth.
Bros enjoy your DELUSION.

Your Mighty God Jesus says he is servant of his God and Father in heaven and earth. John 20:17. Revelations 3:5,12.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 12:36pm On May 30, 2020
Janosky:


Hebrew EL-Gibbowr= Mighty God/God.
Same meaning.

You don't want to see and hear the truth.
Bros enjoy your DELUSION.

Your Mighty God Jesus says he is servant of his God and Father in heaven and earth. John 20:17. Revelations 3:5,12.
I wonder why you are being evasive. The question was

The question is simple:
Is Jesus a Mighty God or Mighty god ?

I didn't ask for the difference between Mighty God and God!
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 12:37pm On May 30, 2020
Janosky:


Triune pagan deity devotee dey quote Scriptures wey him no know grin grin
Answer the question am in no mood for your tantrums
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 12:37pm On May 30, 2020
olamy7:
well, I know you are reading the Bible blindly.

God came in flesh does not equate to him being the real God. because the real God is not a flesh!! But the real God came as a flesh.

I hope you understand this

Luke 9:35 Whose Voice called your " real God in the flesh" his Son?
grin grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 12:38pm On May 30, 2020
Janosky:


Yahweh called Man ELOHIM, you no see am for your Bible?

Shadeyinka you are confusing yourself.
You are just exaggerating a non consequential issue.
Mighty God/god means the same thing in Hebrew language.

Hebrew language has no case dichotomy. It's only in English we have small case and big case dichotomy.

More so, Almighty God has no Father in the physical realm as well as spiritual realm.
But Jesus your Mighty God has his Father and his God in both realms..

Bros, does Revelations 3:5,12 exist in your Bible?

The screenshots you refused to see is here...
Is your NWT not in English language?

In English language is there no difference between god and God?
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 12:40pm On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:


OK you've come back to me, shey? cheesy

You are welcome Sir!

Please no insults, just ask your questions, no need correcting the other person by saying "you're wrong".

If you're not satisfied, present your own understanding on the subject, and leave the audience to decide!

Back to your question:

Jesus is a mighty spirit being in heaven and he came to represent JEHOVAH his God and father on planet earth. That's why Isaiah could say "he will be called...... Mighty God" {Isaiah 9:6}
Moses who equally represented Jehovah before Pharaoh in Egypt also served as God because he silenced and rendered all Egyptian God's! Exodus 7:1 smiley
Are you saying that god and God means the same thing according to the English NWT?
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 12:41pm On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

Trying hard to make s proselyte out of Ross
Mat 23:15:
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."

You're mistaken Sir!

I spoke harsh things to this lady several times, it got to a time she began entreating me to loosen a bit, she noticed the efficacy but kept wondering why Maximus69 is just too serious!

I even made her understand that only members of our organization are our brothers and sisters, while others are neighbours!

She even said she met a hostile JW male who always look down on her, and i told her i will not accept her as my son's female friend! undecided

I was surprised when Rozz of all people said she is beginning to reason with the Organization whose members believes in their own alone!

So just as the Samaritan woman that Jesus frankly told "only my own people knew what's right regarding pure worship" {John 4:22} Rozz decided to learn more.

I'm not trying to make a proselyte out of the young lady Sir, it's her interest that i'm responding to! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 12:43pm On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

Are you saying that god and God means the same thing according to the English NWT?

Can you differentiate between the two when pronouncing it?

Well it's just a title Sir, whether you write it in capital or small letter it's the name of the GOD, God or god in question that count! John 17:6,26
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 12:46pm On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

I wonder why you are being evasive. The question was

The question is simple:
Is Jesus a Mighty God or Mighty god ?

I didn't ask for the difference between Mighty God and God!

Shadeyinka created the dichotomy NOT recognized in Hebrew language.
Jesus is a Mighty god.

The Hebrew language has no dichotomy for God/god.
I go with that.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 12:46pm On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:


You're mistaken Sir!

I spoke harsh things to this lady several times, it got to a time she began entreating me to loosen a bit, she noticed the efficacy but kept wondering why Maximus69 is just too serious!

I even made her understand that only members of our organization are our brothers and sisters, while others are neighbours!

She even said she met a hostile JW male who always look down on her, and i told her i will not accept her as my son's female friend! undecided

I was surprised when Rozz of all people said she is beginning to reason with the Organization whose members believes in their own alone!

So just as the Samaritan woman that Jesus frankly told "only my own people knew what's right regarding pure worship" {John 4:22} Rozz decided to learn more.

I'm not trying to make a proselyte out of the young lady Sir, it's her interest that i'm responding to! smiley
lol don't trust your son too much sir, he might decide to disobey daddy lol
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 12:50pm On May 30, 2020
Janosky:


Shadeyinka created the dichotomy NOT recognized in Hebrew language.
Jesus is a Mighty god.

The Hebrew language has no dichotomy for God/god.
I go with that.
The NWT is in English language isn't it. And in English language there is a difference between god and God!

Find another lie
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 12:52pm On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

Are you saying that god and God means the same thing according to the English NWT?
What the source language says on the matter, determines the context for which NWT will translate the same word, Theos / ELOHIM as a "god/God". It depends on the context.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 12:53pm On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:


Can you differentiate between the two when pronouncing it?

Well it's just a title Sir, whether you write it in capital or small letter it's the name of the GOD, God or god in question that count! John 17:6,26
Unfortunately, the NWT is meant to be read!
In English language god and God aren't the same.

Like we never see "the God of the Ammonite Moloch. But rightly in English, it is written as the god of the Ammonite Moloch!

Speaking of the best translation!?
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 12:54pm On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:


Can you differentiate between the two when pronouncing it?

Well it's just a title Sir, whether you write it in capital or small letter it's the name of the GOD, God or god in question that count! John 17:6,26
Unfortunately, the NWT is meant to be read!
In English language god and God aren't the same.

Like we never see "the God of the Ammonite Moloch. But rightly in English, it is written as "the god of the Ammonite Moloch" !

Speaking of the best translation!?
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 12:56pm On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

Unfortunately, the NWT is meant to be read!
In English language god and God aren't the same.

Like we never see "the God of the Ammonite Moloch. But rightly in English, it is written as the god of the Ammonite Moloch!

Speaking of the best translation!?
It still ELOHIM,whether a goddess,deity or the Almighty God.
The Hebrew language rendition determines what it's to be.. deity or the Almighty in English.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 12:56pm On May 30, 2020
Janosky:

What the source language says on the matter, determines the context for which NWT will translate the same word, Theos / ELOHIM as a "god/God". It depends on the context.
So, if the context and consistency is important, why is Jesus god and God within the same NWT translation!??
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 1:03pm On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

So, if the context and consistency is important, why is Jesus god and God within the same NWT translation!??
Greek/Hebrew meaning of God (Theos/ ELOHIM in any given context is determinant of how Theos
Or ELOHIM should be rendered in English.
Context.
John 20:17 .
Jesus says Our God and Father is his God and Father.
Jesus Christ himself in John 20:17 debunks any meaning you attach to John 20:28.

The TRUTH of the entire Scriptures determines what it should be...
Rev 3:5,12 Jesus says himself is God's son in heaven. Therefore proof he is not Almighty God.
Col 1:19 his Father and God was pleased to grant
divine quality to his son.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 1:18pm On May 30, 2020
Janosky:

It still ELOHIM,whether a goddess,deity or the Almighty God.
The Hebrew language rendition determines what to be.. deity or the Almighty
Then a good translation would have resolved the seeming translation inconsistency?
There is no excuse
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 1:19pm On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

Unfortunately, the NWT is meant to be read!
In English language god and God aren't the same.

Like we never see "the God of the Ammonite Moloch. But rightly in English, it is written as the god of the Ammonite Moloch!

Speaking of the best translation!?

That's according to the discretion of the translators NOT the inspired writers! smiley

An ancient Roman will never agree that Jupiter should be rendered as god!

Neither will a Grecian agree that Zeus is a god!
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 1:22pm On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:


That's according to the discretion of the translators NOT the inspired writers! smiley
This is the funniest joke I've heard today. It is according to the discretion of the translators. That's how they use their wonderful discretion to doctor other verses of the scripture.

Let's call it a day please!

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 1:23pm On May 30, 2020
Janosky:


Context.
John 20:17 .
The TRUTH of the entire Scriptures determines what it should be...
Rev 3:5,12 Jesus is God's son in heaven. Therefore proof he is not Almighty God.
Col 1:19 his Father and God was pleased to grant
divine quality to his son.
Mighty god=Mighty God according to the English NWT!?
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 1:24pm On May 30, 2020
Janosky:

It still ELOHIM,whether a goddess,deity or the Almighty God.
The Hebrew language rendition determines what it's to be.. deity or the Almighty in English.
I believe we are discussing about the English translation of the Hebrew or Greek into English NWT?

Is Mighty god=Mighty God?
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 1:24pm On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

This is the funniest joke I've heard today. It is according to the discretion of the translators. That's how they use their wonderful discretion to doctor other verses of the scripture.

Let's call it a day please!

Better!

But remember that NAIRALANDER, Nairalander or nairalander means the same thing, what makes the difference is Maximus69 or Shadeyinka!

Enjoy the weekend! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 1:26pm On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:


Better!

But remember that NAIRALANDER, Nairalander or nairalander means the same thing, what makes the difference is Maximus69 or Shadeyinka!

Enjoy the weekend! smiley
I can see how you are bent on twisting logic to suit the discretion of your translators.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 1:50pm On May 30, 2020
Rozz:
Im not a JW but this Trinity stuff is somehow.You can never win an argument on Trinity with a JW,they seems to have alot to back up their argument.
I will want you to check out the discussions between Maximus, Janosky and I on the Jehovah's Witness accredited English Bible Translation. (The last three pages).

Jesus is referred to as god and God in their bible

Isaiah 9:6
"For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder.
And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God , Eternal Father, Prince of Peace"

- New World Translation

John1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
- New World Translation

The question I've asked them is simple "Is Jesus a Mighty god or Mighty God '

See how they argue endlessly on the usage of English language instead of keeping quiet.

If they can do that with ordinary English language, imagine what they do against the rest of the scriptures


I rest my case here!

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 1:50pm On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

Then a good translation would have resolved the seeming translation inconsistency?
There is no excuse

Bros I no where your mind dey.. John 1:1.
John 17:3, John 14:1 Jesus says himself no be Tov Theon, the only True God.
John 1:1 Greek, the Word was facing towards Tov Theon, the only True God.
Jesus in heaven is not the Almighty. Rev3:12.
Greek Theos =a god/ God.
Greek Theos can be man , Almighty God, angel, Jesus.

Go check am.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 1:54pm On May 30, 2020
Janosky:


Bros I no where your mind dey.. John 1:1.
John 17:3, John 14:1 Jesus says himself no be Tov Theon, the only True God.
John 1:1 Greek, the Word was facing towards Tov Theon, the only True God.
Jesus in heaven is not the Almighty. Rev3:12.
Greek Theos =a god/ God.
Greek Theos can be man , Almighty God, angel, Jesus.

Go check am.
This is just English language and I'm not in for any argument today.

Jesus is referred to as god and God in the NWT bible

Isaiah 9:6
"For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder.
And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God , Eternal Father, Prince of Peace"

- New World Translation

John1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
- New World Translation

The question I've asked them is simple "Why is Jesus a god or God '


I rest my case here!
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 2:02pm On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:


Better!

But remember that NAIRALANDER, Nairalander or nairalander means the same thing, what makes the difference is Maximus69 or Shadeyinka!

Enjoy the weekend! smiley
Whe can understand by the rules of English language writing that
1. goat=GOAT
2. Goat=GOAT
3. goat=Goat
4. God=GOD
6. god=GOD
BUT
Is god=God?

Mr Maximus!!
Stop creating a new JW English rules.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 2:05pm On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

I will want you to check out the discussions between Maximus, Janosky and I on the Jehovah's Witness accredited English Bible Translation. (The last three pages).

Jesus is referred to as god and God in their bible

Isaiah 9:6
"For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder.
And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God , Eternal Father, Prince of Peace"

- New World Translation

John1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
- New World Translation

The question I've asked them is simple "Is Jesus a Mighty god or Mighty God '

See how they argue endlessly on the usage of English language instead of keeping quiet.

If they can do that with ordinary English language, imagine what they do against the rest of the scriptures


I rest my case here!
I have been following thoroughly and I know exactly who is right regarding the issue of Trinity
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 2:43pm On May 30, 2020
For a child has been born to us,A son has been given to us;And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.........NWT


John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god...........NWT


In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!”........ John 20:28..........NWT

I am wondering what John was thinking when he decided to use capital G in John 20:28 and decided to use small g in John 1:1 in the same........NWT

cc: MuttlleyLaff
cc: Shadeyinka
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 3:14pm On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

Whe can understand by the rules of English language writing that
1. goat=GOAT
2. Goat=GOAT
3. goat=Goat
4. God=GOD
6. god=GOD
BUT
Is god=God?

Mr Maximus!!
Stop creating a new JW English rules.
If
man=Man
spirit=Spirit
definitely
god=God=GOD

Maximus69 is a man

Shadeyinka is a Man

So Maximus69 < Shadeyinka shey? cheesy

My guy, it's the name that makes the difference! John 17:6,26 cheesy

President is just a title that this three individuals holds

Faure Gnassingbé ~ Togo

Muhammad Buhari ~ Nigeria

Donald Trump ~ USA

But it's the NAME that makes you think of the difference Sir, NOT how you write the title like president or President or PRESIDENT! cheesy

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