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Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by houvest: 11:33pm On Feb 15, 2011 |
dayokanu: Wrong logic with all due respect. Please read Katsumoto's post after yours. The executive does not define a party but the ideology. |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by fstranger3(m): 11:37pm On Feb 15, 2011 |
^^^ So why do keep saying that the AG was a Yoruba party? 1 Like |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by Dede1(m): 11:40pm On Feb 15, 2011 |
Katsumoto: Dr. Azikiwe was the unanimous leader of the NCNC going into the 1951 regional election. Even the Yoruba sons such as Dr Olorun-Nimbe, Aderini Ogunsanya, Prince Samuel Akinsaya, Olu Akinfosele and TOS Benson would not accept the idea of Zik stepping aside so that they could assume the premiership of western region because these folks were not tribal irredentists. Zik never sought to become the premier of western region. However since he was the leader of NCNC, the party which clearly won the majority of the seats in western house of assembly and a coalition with IPP would have extended the insurmountable lead, Zik should be the premier by the rules of the game. In fact, it was Nigerian Youth Movement (NYM) under the leadership of Ernest Okoli, H.O Davis, Prince Samuel Akinsaya, JC Voughn and Azikwe that defeated the NNDP under the leadership of Herbet Macauley in 1938 for Lagos town council election that saw Ernest Okoli as mayor of Lagos. It is not true that NCNC and Zik did not make in road to northern region. Before the formation of NPC, the political personality such as your man, Zana Dipcharima and many northerners were members of NCNC. Again, tribalism was/is the most important variable factor in Nigerian politics and it stood against Zik’s chances of becoming the first premier of western region and the caused declining support in northern region too. |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by AndreUweh(m): 11:49pm On Feb 15, 2011 |
houvest:Good question. |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by Katsumoto: 11:52pm On Feb 15, 2011 |
houvest: I suspect it had little to do with a Yoruba agenda. You have to remember that Zik and Awo had fallen out in the Nigerian Youth Movement when Awo backed Ikoli and Zik backed Samuel Akinsanya in an election. Ikoli won the election and Zik alleged that it was an Eko conspiracy against Ijebus, never mind that Awo was Ijebu. After that episode, the NYM was scrapped and Zik joined NCNC. I think that set the stage for their famous rivalry. Secondly, at that time, it was a safe gamble that Nigeria was going to be split into three. Awo, who believed at that time, that the British would grant autonomy and independence to each region, prepared for it. Zik, on the other hand was pro-Nigerian. The NCNC was pro-Nigeria and it had many pro-Nigeria Yoruba sons such as Benson, Adeniran Ogunsanya, Akinloye, etc. The North also did not believe in Nigeria and set about developing its political machinery to frustrate that purpose. Bello, realising that the North could not compete with the South, only agreed to independence for Nigeria, if he would have political power. Awo objected to this but the pro-Nigeria party, NCNC, agreed to this; probably thinking that it would wrestle power from the North later on. Unfortunately, for Awo and AG, the West did not achieve the full autonomy it voted for in 1957 because NCNC (Zik) voted to wait for the North to be ready (according to Bello). So basically, Awo's move was basically to counter the Northern agenda and prepare for independence for Oduduwa Nation. This is just my opinion; I can not speak for the founding fathers. 1 Like |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by Katsumoto: 11:57pm On Feb 15, 2011 |
Dede1: But the NCNC won in the East as well and Zik could have become Premier of the East instead of Eyo Ita or did leadership of the NCNC only mean that you can become leader of the Western region? Zik could have gone to the East and mandated one of the Yoruba sons to become premier of the West. Funny comment about Dipcharima. 1 Like |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by AndreUweh(m): 12:02am On Feb 16, 2011 |
^^^ The western region consist of other non Yoruba ethnic groups such as The Itsekiris, Urhobos, Edos, Ndigbo, Ijaws etc. Yet Awo and co transformed a Yoruba cultural association as a political party for the West. Does it mean that Awo saw the Western region as entirely a Yoruba region?. |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by fstranger3(m): 12:05am On Feb 16, 2011 |
^^^ What is your point? |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by AndreUweh(m): 12:09am On Feb 16, 2011 |
fstranger3:Just to know why a Yoruba cultural association could be transformed to a political party that will represent all the groups that are not even Yorubas in the Western region. |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by fstranger3(m): 12:12am On Feb 16, 2011 |
Andre Uweh: http://www.dawodu.com/awolowo10.htm Let me know if that does not answer your question. |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by AndreUweh(m): 12:22am On Feb 16, 2011 |
fstranger3:That Rubbish is so long and boring to read and yet, hasn't answered any question. Don't waste your time posting such craps next time. |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by Katsumoto: 12:30am On Feb 16, 2011 |
Andre Uweh: Action Group was not a Yoruba party because it had members who were from the mid-west such as Alfred Rewane, Anthony Enahoro, Michael Okorodudu, Reece Edunkugho, Ogbemi Rewani, Gaius Obaseki, Ighodaro, Oronsaye, C. N. Ekwuyasi, etc. Granted the AG had more Yoruba members than the other groups but this was obviously because the Yoruba were a clear majority in the West. When the Western House of Assembly opened in 1952, 21 of the 24 delegates were NCNC candidates but over time, majority moved to the AG because of the pro-Igbo stance of the NCNC. Also bear in mind that of the three regions, it was only the AG which allowed a state to be carved from with it. At the time there was agitation for mid-west state, there was also agitation for a COR state in the Eastern region and a middle-belt state in the Northern region. If AG wanted to dominate the minorities in its midst, it would have severely opposed the creation of the mid-west state just as the eastern and northern regions opposed the creation of COR and middle-belt states respectively. 1 Like |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by PhysicsHD: 12:37am On Feb 16, 2011 |
Katsumoto: They did oppose it. But they didn't have a way of stopping it, certainly not in 1963, anyways. |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by AndreUweh(m): 12:39am On Feb 16, 2011 |
Katsumoto:The west had no choice but to allow them go. If they had their way, they could have obstructed it. Agreed, A.G had non Yorubas, but the rationale behind transforming a Yoruba cultural association as a political party that will represent other non Yorubas is what I hereby question. |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by fstranger3(m): 12:54am On Feb 16, 2011 |
Andre Uweh: Can you provide a link that proves your assertion that what you posted above was Awolowo's plan? |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by NegroNtns(m): 1:36am On Feb 16, 2011 |
Biafra most certainly did not have the resources to embark on incessant bombing raids but that is not to say that it did not bomb the West in the early stages of the war. Biafran defendants make bogus and outright inaccurate accounts of everything to shore up their credits and appear venerable. They did not drop bomb in Lagos. They made attempt to advance on Lagos but their under-estimation of and wrong assessment of Yoruba reserve resulted in an embarassing defeat at Ore and a retreat back to East. Who do you think coined the term "Jews of Africa?" It was the Igbo themselves. For some odd reason, the Ndigbo have always been likened to the Jews. Ndigbo is always searching to boost its population and right its majority. Ndi ichie, counsel of elders. Umunna meetings governed by the oldest member of the family. The Igbo village/county structure is as follows: Nuclear family > Compound > Extended family > Village Quarters > Village > after that Ekpe, Okonko, Ibin Ukpabi courts and the rest come into cases depending on the community. In the case of Nri and its sphere of influence there were the Nze (people who go on peace missions) who were Ozo in training (priests who lead peace missions), after the Ozo is the Eze Nri (an elected Ozo) Every community has this social structure you describe. . . this is not a sophisticated arrangement for checking and correcting the power of the monarch. This is just a bottom-up structure for familial or clan heirarchy. Im looking for a sophisticated check and balance to forestall abuse. Attah of Igala? You mean Idah child of Nri, a kingdom established by the Nri-Igbo, was oppressing Nri? When? Let the Igalas speak to it. |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by Dede1(m): 1:41pm On Feb 16, 2011 |
Katsumoto: Zik, though the leader of NCNC, did not contest election either in northern region or eastern region. He contested election in one of the regional constituencies and won a seat in western region house of assembly. As a leader of his party in the house, he should be the regional premier designate unless he chooses to go to the federal level. The political settings of the era decreed that nobody could aspire for any position in regional house of assemblies without being a member. The only route to being a member of regional house of assembly was by winning electoral seat which did in Lagos. |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by Dede1(m): 3:50pm On Feb 16, 2011 |
Katsumoto: Although Action Group could not be totally termed as Yoruba party but the formative nucleus of the party was Yoruba hence Egba Omo Oduduwa. I must say that Chike N Ekwuyasi was not a member of AG. However, S O Ighodaro was a turn coat who was elected to the regional house of assemebly under the platform of NCNC and switched to AG after been promised ministerial job at Ibadan. I know SG Ikoku was a member of Action Group. |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by houvest: 7:04pm On Feb 16, 2011 |
fstranger3: Please read the bolded from Katsumoto's post I responded to: In the spirit of democracy, Egbe Omo Yoruba was formed on the basis that the Yoruba did not have a political party |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by AndreUweh(m): 9:17pm On Feb 16, 2011 |
Negro_Ntns:What do you mean at the bolded?. |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by NegroNtns(m): 1:28am On Feb 17, 2011 |
Andre, The political heirarchy and value of Ndigbo as a top dog in the Eastern region is a recent and artificial placement that emerged out of colonial intervention to subdue historically dominant powers. There are various outcomes of that and I will mention three, one for each region. 1. North was and is the de facto ruler of Nigerian politics because their obvious indifference to literacy and simple outlook on life would inadvertently support, in statutory ways, the ambitions of Britain, even after the colony is granted independence, to continue to enjoy material control of the nation's wealth and resources without the northerner's giving it any serious thought as an inappropriate and act of sovereign abuse. 2. The continuous uproar and political confrontations in the West was historical. In fact, the British were able to seize Lagos as a protectorate primarily due to a falsified treaty signed with Akitoye in return for protection of his throne from his rival Kosoko. The British arrived on Yoruba soil in the middle of political turmoil. So they knew the Yorubas were politically savvy and had a hightened sense of democratic powers and its limits. But the entire West was a homogeneous people and so they were maneuvered out of Nigerian political power using a different means of divide and conquer. They imprisoned Awo on false charges of treason and rewarded the North and East with political legacy as well as military heirarchies. 3. East, already taked it. |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by igboboy1(m): 7:40am On Feb 17, 2011 |
Negro_Ntns: who teach u history? Akara school na very bad thing |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by Nobody: 7:41am On Feb 17, 2011 |
Are we now comparing akara school with apku school? Clearly, from all the posts on this thread, akara school gets better substance. |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by igboboy1(m): 7:45am On Feb 17, 2011 |
Ileke-IdI:ewooo e di kwa funny, you obviously like my igbo swag, following me from one forum to another I already have a yoruba girl I am seeing in Portland o, i don;t know if i can handle two o, ekiti baby enh igbo boy cannot division himself into twice o, |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by Nobody: 7:46am On Feb 17, 2011 |
igbo boy: This same re-tard that was just talking about ignoring a "fool" on another thread a minute ago is still quoting a "fool". Well, now that makes two fools on this thread, but am sure your degree is worst than mines. |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by fstranger3(m): 7:47am On Feb 17, 2011 |
igbo boy:^^^^ I love Portland, very nice city The people are nice too |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by igboboy1(m): 7:51am On Feb 17, 2011 |
fstranger3: Seattle way better, bigger, richer and nicer, |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by ezeagu(m): 5:22pm On Feb 17, 2011 |
Negro_Ntns: What is the Umunna hierarchy called in Yoruba? Negro_Ntns: You don't think a council of Ozo men who govern the matter of the Eze Nri and who themselves become Eze Nri is enough to forestall abuse? To take Nri as an example again, the Nri Kingdom is an elective monarchy and it did not have a military. Any outcasts or slave were immediately freed in Nri. Checks and Balances: Nri democracy had built in checks and balances to protect abuse of power. The highest leadership position at Nri was the Eze Nri (Nri King). Eze Nri was not a ruler but rather a ceremonial head and a moral guardian. He did not make laws or enforce them; the Ozo and Nze council (and to some degree the Iyom council) did. Although the Ozo and Nze council made laws through voting, the Eze Nri had powerful sway because of his moral authority. He not only acted for the greatest good, but was perceived as doing so. Because first born sons naturally inherited family leadership and are potential lineage head, they could not be king. Another major safeguard in Nri leadership was the Adama council. This is probably the best check and balance in Nri leadership. The Adama lineage lived at the heartland of Nri, but was not considered Nri. They were a neutral entity, acting as moral counselors of Nri people. Though they did not participate directly in Nri politics, they did crown all Eze Nri and automatically inherit leadership at the ‘ascension’ (death) of an Eze Nri for Seven years, (during the interregnum period) or until another king was crowned. They brokered peace at Nri in case of a quarrel or if there was a confusion during the selection of an Eze Nri. They were the last moral authority and peacemakers at Nri.http://www.kwenu.com/publications/anunobi/leadership_crises2.htm |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by NegroNtns(m): 2:04am On Feb 18, 2011 |
Eze, To take Nri as an example again, the Nri Kingdom is an elective monarchy and it did not have a military. Any outcasts or slave were immediately freed in Nri. You continue to supply me with feeders to further solidify my claim of Nri's secondary status in the East. I am beginning to wonder if I ought not to discuss this important topic with someone more knowledgable of the history. You are doing damage to your cause with your statements. Let me give you example. ". . .Nri kingdom is an elective monarchy and did not have a military" All ancient African Kingdoms that predated the white man's "new society" were ruled by bloodline, not election. There is no exception to an African Empire or Kingdom that did not keep an army. I wonder why Igbo is an exception to both rules above. . . . . you mentioned slaves again. Who enslaved Igbos? How did millions of you end across the Ocean? You ever wondered why British kept Yoruba numbers low in strategic military ranks and positions (officers) and gave guns and ammos to Hausas and Igbos to guard the periphery of Ikoyi and VI? . . . . Because they knew you could not turn on them with it. They could not trust Yoruba to keep his finger off the trigger. |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by igboboy1(m): 5:23am On Feb 18, 2011 |
Ileke-IdI: Ogbanje ekiti your rants are senseless, well keep showing me your daftness and i'll play along okay? |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by ezeagu(m): 1:28pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
Negro_Ntns: Could you please tell me who were the primary states of the east? And could you also provide a source and the dates for when they were the primary people? Negro_Ntns: I'm sorry if Nri's advancement and foresight hurts you, but: Nri was not hereditary and they did not keep an army. Negro_Ntns: The smaller states and especially the Aro were who enslaved the Igbo, the slave trade was what actually led to the decline of states like Nri because of conflict. Negro_Ntns: This has nothing to do with the discussion on Igbo democracy. |
Re: Video Footage Of Aguiyi-ironsi, Nzeogwu, Sardauna’s House, Katsina…. by NegroNtns(m): 7:38pm On Feb 18, 2011 |
Chinua Achebe was the first person in history to ever refer to the many separate but independent Igbo clans as a "nation". He did that out of realization of the points I am making . . . to the effect that, Igbo was not a nation, kingdom or empire in the traditional and historical sense of African rulership and tribal dominions. Yoruba was and is still a nation. Hausa was not until Fulani - Dan Fodio - established them as a nation. So when you talk of "states" in the sense you are deriving it, then there had to have been a nation ruled by a paramount and to whom all the head rulers of the tributary territories pay homage and loyalty. Such a arrangement was never and is not in the Igbo history. In Nigeria, Yoruba is the only original and indigenous nation. We established our own states and managed our territoriaL expansions and consolidations through warfare and treaties. This is why the British were incapable of setting up a new democracy for us and resolved to using other manuevers to strip us of power in a "new society" called Nigeria. They left qualified Yorubas out of military posts and authority. Anywhere a Yoruba officer is in charge he was deputized and enveloped with plenty other tribes to insulate him from fellow Yoruba officers and prevent against a face-off with the British. The case was not the same when the officer was Igbo or Hausa. So it is wrong to assume that military and political legacy left to reward you thus equate to historical greatness. You need to change your mindset about warring in Nigeria. You have never fought a war of tribal control outside of the false sense of security made favorable to you by the British legacy. Your talk about Aro and Nri setup and relationship and all the other references to nation, states, democracy are nothing but an attempt to re-define who you are as a people by mimicking greatness of others who have proven through history and traditions, customs and rituals how to be Great! So all you Igbos need to shut up and stop boasting and beating your chests about greatness and power and strength and war. You are rip-off majority. . . . the Ijaws or Kalabaris would have been an appropriate majority in the share of federal power in this country. The advantage you enjoy is that many of Yorubas and Hausas and other small tribs are not intimate with tis history and so whatever you say they just absorb it without a challenge. You continue to repeat the nonsense and with time it starts to gather strength and root itself as fact. . . but in actuality its BS. Stop your nonsense or I will continue to reveal your secondary status in the dimensions of African Great kingdoms. Ok? 1 Like |
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