Playthepianos:
Here it is. You can't create God. The Devil is not God so he was created.

The Devil is an angel. Please correct that mindset that he is also God or "bad god". He was an angel and is still an angel.

He was created with other angels, but God gave Him a rank higher than most other angels, so he was among the archangels. God blessed Him more and He had so much glory. It was because of this that He became proud. All what God gave him wasn't enough. So he rebelled, he deceived almost half of the angels in heaven to rebel against God.

Because of this, God cast Him down into hell. He is going to be judged at a later time..he and the angels.

So the glory he once possessed, God gave it to man (human beings) when he created us. That's why he is violently angry with and after humans.

He knows that if he can get the whole world into hell, God will have no other option than to reduce his punishment because God is merciful.


Now that's some of the reasons he is our enemy and we have to pray against him.

javaRookie

javaRookie:


But then God is all knowing so he knew that Devil will rebel and still left him. Then go ahead to punish humans by throwing them into hell for the Devil he created and knew will decieve his people?

Or am I the one getting it all wrong?

javaRookie:


But then God is all knowing so he knew that Devil will rebel and still left him. Then go ahead to punish humans by throwing them into hell for the Devil he created and knew will decieve his people?

Or am I the one getting it all wrong?

Playthepianos:


You are the one getting things wrong. See, God doesn't force anybody. Everything that God created has a free will, even the angels. The Devil chose his own path, even though God already knew what was coming.

It is the same thing with humans. We have the free will to do what we like. We can choose the Devil (death) or Jesus (Life).

Also, please note, God doesn't throw anybody in hell. You go to hell by yourself. Immediately after death is judgement, your reward. It is a principle.

Hell came into existence based on God's word. Hell is a system for punishment of rebels.


I hope you are indeed willing to learn and not to argue.

Playthepianos:


To reinforce my point, see what Deuteronomy 30:19 says about free will.


I"call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:"


He gave us two options. That means we have the free will to either choose Heaven or Hell. Then in His love, he went further to tell us to choose life.



[b]God doesn't punish rebels in Hell. [/b]If he did, nobody would survive it, even as they are in Hell.

javaRookie:



I think you are deviating from the question. If God created Devil and is all knowing, then why punish the humans he created because they fell for the evil he created himself.
Let's say I have a farmland where I planted good crops, these crops are bouncing fresh and rapidly. Then I the farmer goes ahead to bring in locust to feast on the crops I so laboured to plant then go ahead to uproot the crops ravaged by the locusts, citing that they should have known better not to allow the locusts eat them up.
How is this a wise thing to do?
It's just like fighting yourself and your creation, how come you say you are all powerful then?
I create an enemy then go ahead to fight him tooth and nail against my own creation?

I am very confused at this...

javaRookie:


So spending enternity in hell is not a punishment? What is it then? A vacation?

Playthepianos:



Now I know you are in for an argument. I have clearly answered your question.


Like I said, every of God's creation has a freewill. The devil misused the freewill and brought evil into the world. Humans also have freewill. But if they choose to follow the path of the Devil, then they will be judged just like how the devil was judged.

Once again, God didn't create evil. You choose your path. The devil chose the opposite part, hence evil came into being. Any human that chooses to follow the devil will pay the price.

javaRookie:


You are speaking from both sides of your mouth then because a few posts up there, you said that the Devil is an angel of which God created.
And to think of the fact that God is all knowing so he knew the Angel who was the Devil but went ahead to create him. He in turn rebelled (of which God knew he will)
Invariably, God created him to deceive his very own creations, then go ahead to punish his creations for falling prey of the same Devil he created?!

Tell me something else pls.

Playthepianos:



lol. Just as I predicted. Now, answer this question. God knew man will sin, but why did he create us?

javaRookie:
God has no beginning and end but the question I have is what about Devil/Satan?
Who created the guy?
Does God create evil?
Why then are we fighting the Devil?

javaRookie:


You are arguing in a circle. The argument stems from my question? Who created Devil?
Of which your said that God did.
And that means that God created the evil he tells us to fight against. But instead of making clear points you go ahead to ask me back a question which has no correlation whatsoever with the bone of contention which is "God created the Evil(Devil) he fights against"
It's just like fighting yourself (creation) which to me is far from been wise.

You still haven't made any point with regards to my question.

javaRookie:
God has no beginning and end but the question I have is what about Devil/Satan?
Who created the guy?
Does God create evil?
Why then are we fighting the Devil?

Playthepianos:
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He knows that if he can get the whole world into hell, God will have no other option than to reduce his punishment because God is merciful.




javaRookie

Playthepianos:


if you are wise enough, you will see the answer clearly written and said over and over.

I leave you in your ignorance that you call wisdom.


May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Live of God and the sweet fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with us. Amen.

Maximus69:


God never created a devil!

He gave life to so many creatures in heaven and on earth, the heavenly beings are spirits like him and they were given freewill, the earthly creatures lives on instinct so he made just one single specie on earth to live with freewill. This one and only earthly creature having freewill will rule all the other creatures existing with instinct.

So it's the creatures having freewill that began doing things that shows lack of appreciation for the privilege the Creator gave them the privilege of freewill!

There is another misconception that's causing confusion in False Religion, the Creator has the ability to foresee the future, can see everywhere and can do everything but since his first and foremost creature known as Michael (Jesus) has proved to be supportive always, God continue to give other creatures the same freewill he gave his firstborn son, but unlike Michael the some of the creatures weren't as supportive and loyal. That's what brought us to where we are today!

So God is holy meaning pure inside out, he doesn't think of evil that's why he never thought of having bad ones amongst his children, but as soon as some became rebellious God restricted them from coming back to him because his spirit follows each angel anywhere they do, but this spirit hates evil so they were disengaged and God stopped having direct dealings with them.

Today most religionsists teaches that God is Omnipotent Omnipresent and Omniscient since he's all powerful, but that's not true because he is Holy (pure) and someone pure in heart can't continue looking at what is evil.

Omnipresent~ you and i know that evildoers are carrying out their deeds in most places today so God (who is pure in heart) can't be in such a place! Habakkuk 1:13

Omniscient~ God only focus on his own purpose because looking into the future to see everything each human will do always sadden him. Proverbs 27:11

Omnipotent~ God can't do certain things now because even though he wants to right some wrong, he wish to see evildoers change, so instead of destroying them instantly or taking away their freewill he allows them to spend their limited times and they expire. 2Peter 3:9

Thanks!

kingxsamz:


Is genocide evil or not?
I need a straightforward answer.

javaRookie:
Does God create evil?

kingxsamz:


Lol, funny guy, isn't this same god omniscient?
Shebi he already knows the amount of people that'll end up in hell? So...

CAPSLOCKED:


I STOPPED READING THE THREAD WHEN ONE PERSON MENTIONED FREEWILL. NONSENSE EXCUSE.

javaRookie:


But then God is all knowing so he knew that Devil will rebel and still left him. Then go ahead to punish humans by throwing them into hell for the Devil he created and knew will decieve his people?

Or am I the one getting it all wrong?

IMAliyu:
God in his perfection and goodness, created hell.
Maybe it's his plan for people to go to hell.

Karleb:


Not maybe. It is.

Remember, he's unquestionable!