isthatso:


Those who insult every other tribe and scatter everything for everybody else when they dont get their way dont deserve to be rewarded. To do so is the opposite of fairness. You get what you deserve or work for in life.

Fairness means you work towards promoting peace and build bridges with your neighbours then your neighbours will chose you as a leader.

This is a democracy, you have the right to contest but not the right to be the president. understand the difference!!!!

and the longer you continue to exhibit that Igbo trait of always insulting anyone who doesnt agree with you, the longer the presidency will elude you!!

Only losers depend on presidency for survival...again 4kU

TheLionofLasigi:


The culprits of the Ondo monarch attack has been apprehended tho
https://www.nairaland.com/6292843/suspected-killers-ondo-monarch-15#96672094

Thank God
They must face the music.

cktheluckyman:


story for the gods.How many times have the SW tasted power?

Haven't they been in power before now? Check the history oga. The south south and south east are always cheated when it comes to the seat of the presidency...

ILoveDemMANNA:

They have a choice

They have a choice to do so but they should respect the choices of others who don't want to do so and should not be screaming 'betrayal' if and/or when their choices fail to meet their expectations

oyatz:


They have a choice to do so but they should respect the choices of others who don't want to do so and should not be screaming 'betrayal' if and/or when their choices fail to meet their expectations

Igbo and SS called SW betrayals because you refused to support Jonathan for 2 terms after they supported Obj . That is the origin of the dragging

Greenback:


Only losers depend on presidency for survival...again 4kU

so why is presidency such a big deal to you?

defininitions of a serial loser.

when you are in a winning position but you shoot yourself in the foot
when your party gets the most votes but you end up in a govt where you are the minority partner Zik/Balewa
when you stage a coup from a position of strength and end up in a position of weakness
when you control all the resources in your region but because of your actions lose control of your resources
when you control oil but end up with no Oil under your control
when you used to own 50% of Nigeria's Oil income but now go cap in hand to Abuja for allocation from the Oil
when you start a war but end up and a conquered tribe
when you go into alliance with the north hoping to be president but the North stage a coup before it is your turn (shagari/Ekwueme)
when you shout Biafra, no referendum no vote but end up voting for a Northern candidate
when you say Biafra one day but the next are fighting for SE presidency
When you say you dont need presidency but every day you are shouting it is your turn
when you insult the North but end up rallying behind a northern candidate
when you are the 3rd major tribe but a minority tribe becomes president before you
when you remove referendum from the constitution because you are in power briefly and 55 years later you are fighting for referendum
when you introduce unitary government because you are in power briefly and 55 years ater you are the ones shouting devolution of power
when you insult everybody but hope to be president and everyone else is laughing at you
when you are always guanranteed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
when you are always guaranteed to self implode politically

bigfish3k:

I know
Some of the unsold slaves settled there and are now natives. Some even discovered uninhabited lands like opobo and Jaja became the king after his quarrel with the pepples.
He moved with his people to a new land. Nobody gave him the land.
His descendants are the natives of that place and his family is still the royal family there.

He is a slave that rose and was free
His igboness cannot be removed as that is the only claim Ijaws are using against him.
If you are a free slave then you are free from your masters and everything

1. There is no evidence Jaja was Igbo
2. Where Opobo was founded was no virgin land.
3. Another Ijaw clan gave the war canoe houses that left Bonny for Opobo land.
4. You can not be an authority on a culture you know nothing about.
5. As a freed slave he gained Bonny citizenship and it was a man from Bonny negotiations were made to secure what is now called Bonny
6. The conflict was primarily due to Jaja's faction wanting Ijaw traditional worship to be preserved. The amayanabo of Bonny was shifting towards christianity

bigfish3k:
if he wasn't the first
So who did he displace to take charge

He displaced no one, like i have been trying to tell you. An Ijaw clan gave the war canoe houses the land. The basis for Ijaw societies like Okrika, Opobo, Bonny, Bille, Kalabari, Nembe etc is the war canoe houses. Our societies are structured, there are checks and balances. Jaja did not decide to be king, the war canoe houses made him king and other Ijaw city states had to recognize Opobo before it gained legitimacy.

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isthatso:


so why is presidency such a big deal to you?

defininitions of a serial loser.

when you are in a winning position but you shoot yourself in the foot
when your party gets the most votes but you end up in a govt where you are the minority partner Zik/Balewa
when you stage a coup from a position of strength and end up in a position of weakness
when you control all the resources in your region but because of your actions lose control of your resources
when you control oil but end up with no Oil under your control
when you used to own 50% of Nigeria's Oil income but now go cap in hand to Abuja for allocation from the Oil
when you start a war but end up and a conquered tribe
when you go into alliance with the north hoping to be president but the North stage a coup before it is your turn (shagari/Ekwueme)
when you shout Biafra, no referendum no vote but end up voting for a Northern candidate
when you say Biafra one day but the next are fighting for SE presidency
When you say you dont need presidency but every day you are shouting it is your turn
when you insult the North but end up rallying behind a northern candidate
when you are the 3rd major tribe but a minority tribe becomes president before you
when you remove referendum from the constitution because you are in power briefly and 55 years later you are fighting for referendum
when you introduce unitary government because you are in power briefly and 55 years ater you are the ones shouting devolution of power
when you insult everybody but hope to be president and everyone else is laughing at you
when you are always guanranteed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
when you are always guaranteed to self implode politically

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bigfish3k:

Stop this your 1967 yarn as If you are enjoying the Nigeria you fought for. Remember you also lost in 1966

You are just being emotional and twisting history.
Only God knows who fed you all these historical lies.
You people did not sprout from the ground to where you are. You also migrated.
Just stop behaving as if you are the one that shared land between tribes

1966 started with an Igbo led coup and the guy who started the resistance against the Igbo military government ended your Biafran dreams.

The man achieved his objectives of the 1966 rebellion, being free from the Igbo contraption called eastern region.

We fought to stop Igbo annexation and annihilation of our homeland and people.

We didn't fail in achieving that objective. It is the Igbo who failed in their attempts to annex our place.

Like your fathers failed every subsequent generation of Igbo who desire or try to annex us or our properties will fail.

PHijo:


1966 started with an Igbo led coup and the guy who started the resistance against the Igbo military government ended your Biafran dreams.

The man achieved his objectives of the 1966 rebellion, being free from the Igbo contraption called eastern region.

We fought to stop Igbo annexation and annihilation of our homeland and people.

We didn't fail in achieving that objective. It is the Igbo who failed in their attempts to annex our place.

Like your fathers failed every subsequent generation of Igbo who desire or try to annex us or our properties will fail.

Where is the declared Niger Delta republic that he declared or you want to tell me that you don't want a maximized gain. Because as minorities you must be overshadowed by the majority tribes as far as you are in one country.

Igbos didn't annex your land anytime because you are always dragging land with every tribe.
The Benins are dragging gelegele with you.
The yorubas are also dragging with you in ondo and Lagos. You are also dragging with urhobos, itshekiris, isokos and you think you are always right. Hmnm
Is your land now in your hands? No
Stop deceiving yourself because your land and resources are in fulani hands whom you pay tax so that they can allow you to go to your farms.

Your pride don't want to allow you to agree that the igbos are the lesser evil
Is it the igbos that decimated your village in odi

bigfish3k:

Where is the declared Niger Delta republic that he declared or you want to tell me that you don't want a maximized gain. Because as minorities you must be overshadowed by the majority tribes as far as you are in one country.

Igbos didn't annex your land anytime because you are always dragging land with every tribe.
The Benins are dragging gelegele with you.
The yorubas are also dragging with you in ondo and Lagos. You are also dragging with urhobos, itshekiris, isokos and you think you are always right. Hmnm
Is your land now in your hands? No
Stop deceiving yourself because your land and resources are in fulani hands whom you pay tax so that they can allow you to go to your farms.

Your pride don't want to allow you to agree that the igbos are the lesser evil
Is it the igbos that decimated your village in odi

Demand were made and major demand was having our distinct states or we will leave Nigeria. Those demands for distinct states that separated us from the Igbo were met.

In addition, Ijaw are not minorities but the minorities of the minorities, the Fulani are dealing with you Igbos so being a minority is not necessarily a disadvantage in Nigeria.

How come Umuleri and Auguleri are in constant land dispute?

How come Igbo communities in Ebonyi state are at war with communities in Cross river?

What about the Enugu/ Kogi clash? Or the Ebonyi/ Enugu clash? Or fights within Enugu?

What about the constant fight in Akwa LGA of Anambra state?

Most of these Igbo communal conflicts are from this year 2020.

Yet you still crossed over to Rivers state create crisis. If not the governor was proactive Rivers state would have on the list of places fighting with the Igbo.

The others learnt from you Igbo. Your activities during the civil war legitimized war crimes in Nigeria. Since your Biafran war criminals were spared any legal repercussions for their heinous crimes, it has been difficult to prosecute Nigerian uniformed personnel for crimes they commit.

You Igbos need to genuinely change.

PHijo:


Demand were made and major demand was having our distinct states or we will leave Nigeria. Those demands for distinct states that separated us from the Igbo were met.

In addition, Ijaw are not minorities but the minorities of the minorities, the Fulani are dealing with you Igbos so being a minority is not necessarily a disadvantage in Nigeria.

How come Umuleri and Auguleri are in constant land dispute?

How come Igbo communities in Ebonyi state are at war with communities in Cross river?

What about the Enugu/ Kogi clash? Or the Ebonyi/ Enugu clash? Or fights within Enugu?

What about the constant fight in Akwa LGA of Anambra state?

Most of these Igbo communal conflicts are from this year 2020.

Yet you still crossed over to Rivers state create crisis. If not the governor was proactive Rivers state would have on the list of places fighting with the Igbo.

The others learnt from you Igbo. Your activities during the civil war legitimized war crimes in Nigeria. Since your Biafran war criminals were spared any legal repercussions for their heinous crimes, it has been difficult to prosecute Nigerian uniformed personnel for crimes they commit.

You Igbos need to genuinely change.

Hmnm. Foolish demand
You demanded to be separated from the igbos and be handed over to the illiterate fulani jihadists in far away sokoto. RUGA is waiting for you.

Assuming the igbos controlled your land 50%, the herdsmen fulanis are now controlling it 90%.thats why you are crying every day for resource control and pay tax before you can go to your farms
The fulanis even "mumufied" you people by giving you "mai guard" contract to guide pipelines siphoning oil from your land to sokoto and Niger Republic while they occupy all the juicy positions in NNPC
They will be paying you peanuts from the money made from your land while you are meant to remain grateful to them
Its just like somebody that stole your shirt, when you complain he will remove one botton from the shirt and give you to shut your mouth.


You said Nigerian army learnt from the igbos, can you relate to me any situation where the igbos has ever wiped out a whole community of Ijaws like your fulani saviors did to you in odi.

Even if it happened, I thought the illiterate fulanis were to save you and not wipe out your generations when you try to resist them. You people are in a deeper shit. Better go and pay your tax to your fulani saviors before you go to the farm while you await RUGA and water resources bill to take over all your waters.

What is the population of the Ijaws that you say they are not minorities.
Nigeria can broadly be grouped into three tribes of which you people are grouped under igbos. When they are attacking igbos in the north, you people are not spared

Igbos did nothing against Nigeria other than to be on their own as the SE or implement aburi accord as agreed and signed by all
Igbo blood killed for nothing is crying to God and that is why Nigeria is in shambles, the Master minder, the north is suffering killings every day.
You suppose know that God must revenge for us because we have the largest concentration of Christianity in Nigeria praising God every day with different Christian songs

Everybody is shouting restructuring.
This is the same restructuring they foolishly fought against but shame will not allow them apologize to the igbos as did the north central.

You people can continue playing the ostrich, it's only the truth for the igbos can save nigeria.
Buratai has asked you to wait for another 20 years of suffering and killings.

Maduawuchukwu:


The people who throw insults at the Yoruba include the SS people. That you cannot tell them apart from the Igbo is a testament to the faceless nature of Nairaland where you cannot really identify and point out the background of who says what.

It is the people who decide wherther the candidate a political party brings out will succeed. If the people of the SW were not antagonistic to GEJ, the efforts by Tinubu to market Buhari would have fallen flat. So, stop trying to be smart by half. The SE and SS gave the SW support when their ran for president and they expected same from you in the spirit of Southern unity but you guys did not come through. Do not try to justify the unjustifiable. That is a negative trademark lots of politicians and people from the SW have.

1) The people calling S/West names on social media are NOT limited to Nairaland.
Check Facebook & Twitter and you will easily see their ethnic backgrounds.

2) There were 14 Million registered voters in the S/West.
The APC gote 2.5 Million votes out of the 14 millions representing 17.8% of the votes in the S/West.

3) Most of young Igbo guys like you approach political issues from emotional points of views.

The political parties determine 70% of the success in an election.

The APC was the leading political party in the S/West.

The PDP won Ekiti in 2015 because the State was under a PDP Government as at that time.

In 2019, the PDP won in Oyo & Ondo because there were strong PDP structures (without internal wranglings) in those two States.

4) The voting pattern in each zone reflected the strength of the parties in that zone. This is not just true for presidential election but for all other elective posts.

It's very naive for you to think that the APC that won in most of the LGAs, won many Reps &Senate seats, Governorship seats should have lost the presidential election in the S/west especially when 3 elections were conducted simultaneously.

In the 2015 election, it was very difficult for any politician contest for any post on the platform of the APC to win in the SE because the party wasn't strong in that zone.

It was very similar to what was obtainable in the NW.

In the S/West the PDP was and still relatively strong but not as strong as the APC.

ILoveDemMANNA:
The below is only for the wise people on Nairaland...
I got this from my Role model(s) online... [/b]....
Men and women of truth and caliber.


[b]SOUTH EAST: IS IT NOT TOO LATE?

I have read the recent transmissions by Senator Bukola Saraki directed at my Igbo tribe. I have deliberately kept mum on this as I had earlier resolved to speak less on Igbos as regards the 2019 Elections and 2023 Presidency having said quite a bit. 

However seeing as some of my brethren have swallowed the cheap bait, I will chip this in just to keep the reality before us, at least for posterity sake. Truth is bitter but it's still the best medicine. 

My people say; 'He who does not remember where the rain started beating him, will not remember where it stopped'. 

REWIND TO 2014. 
A new National Party was being conceived. Political Parties, political players and Regions were being wooed to the new alliance. 

'We' Igbos (read South East) vehemently refused to touch it even with a long pole. We packaged, sold to ourselves and bought the baseless propaganda that it was an Islamic alliance that would birth an "Islamic" and "Hausa" Party. Simply because those our brethren heavily invested in the PDP at the time were afraid of losing their vested selfish interests.
Till today I'm still trying to fathom the basis for that wicked and twisted deceit especially as many of those Igbo elites who sold that dummy have since ported to the same APC.

We failed to even identify with that new Alliance. Hence the Party, APC was birthed without any remarkable input from us or presence. The few amongst us who aligned were called all kinds of names and abused to high heavens by us even when they were proven right afterall.

Thus the few Igbos who were part of it were at best fringe players as they didn't have the required clout to make serious demands and do the necessary political wheeling and dealing required in Politics to strike the hard bargains since politics is all about interests and numbers. They were even suspect, so much so that it was only their personal political sagacity that gave them whatever they got.

That Party went on to win the Presidential Election which in truth, most of us never believed it could or would, because of our half baked permutations and poor understanding of Nigerian politics. But it did. 

Curiously we turned up at the fore front of telling this same Party how it should share it's 'spoils of war'. We became hypocritical moral champions with an over bloated sense of entitlement. Who does that, in all political reality and practicality? But we did, even while vehemently and vociferously still refusing to shift our position, style and rhethoric.

We dug in. Supported every bad thing and person against the Party, the elected President and the Administration while denying any and every good done to and for our Region.

Fast forward to where we are today. Almost four years after the 2015 misadventure, we have stayed put at 2015, refusing to move forward, refusing to shift grounds, refusing to play pragmatic politics, telling ourselves the same lies we cooked and bought in 2015 and some more. 

Now barely 5 months to another election, we have started again saying "APC cannot give Presidency to Igbos in 2023". "Buhari cannot hand over to an Igbo man because Buhari hates Igbos". "APC is deceiving you", bla bla bla.

Of course. We will believe Saraki, who has only but a fanthom dream of becoming President and whose only known record is selfishness but we can't believe Buhari who's already President and who has a record of voluntarily picking two great Igbo sons as running mates in the past? Chukwu aju.

It is interesting and vital to note here that the PDP which many of us still proudly support and adore was in power for 16 solid years and in those years there were 4 Presidential Inaugurations and on none of those was an Igbo man found worthy by the PDP of even Vice Presidency and we are still bold to say it is the APC that has not even finished one and a half tenure that doesn't want to give power to Igbos. Odi nma. 

NOW; Seriously, let's be sincere. As things stand today politically, why would the APC even hand power to us Igbos in 2023? 
On what grounds? 
On what records?
On what politics?
Is power given to anyone? 
Is it an appeasement or a gift? 

The APC is a political party. The main focus of a political Party is to hold power and keep it to enable it deliver on its agenda. So if the APC reads that the SE does not want the Presidency or does not have the capacity to help them win and keep power, they will stick with the regions that can and work with individuals who are interested. 

Make no mistake, I have always said, I do not blame us Igbos for the decision majority of us took in 2015. It's our right. But continuing to pretend that it was other regions, Buhari or the APC that made us do what we did then or remain where we are today is purely self deceit and I refuse to play that ostrich game. 

As far back as 2014, I and many others made that argument that Igbo Presidency was very feasible in 2023, ONLY under under the APC, ONLY IF we did a couple of things right politically. I personally continued to speak loudly on that even after the 2015 elections until when I realized that we were not ready to play the politics that was required and now I dare say it may be too late. Or is it not? Time will tell.

For now, we can continue to tell ourselves that we cannot hold the Presidency of Nigeria. I heard and read many of our brethren go from PDP to Biafra/seccesion (read IPOB) to Referendum to "Igbos do not need Presidency but Restructuring" etc forgetting that all that didn't lie squarely with us alone. We think other regions are not reading our body language?

I really don't care what Saraki writes or says because they've all come to realize that it's very easy to play us like a flute. So like Saraki, like Fani Kayode, like Fayose, like Atiku, even Jonah Jang of all people, they keep playing us.

I've learnt not to bother myself anymore to avoid unnecessary abuse from nonentities . As some of us have said, it's good governance we want, even if only one village will be producing the Presidents. So be it.

Ka Chineke mezie okwu. 

They should it to calm down the agitation of Biafra, that's the wisest path to take. If both parties refuse to consider the South East in 2023, I bet you the South Eastern politicians will join the agitations with will heat up the polity more and will not augur well with Nigeria

PHijo:


1. There is no evidence Jaja was Igbo
2. Where Opobo was founded was no virgin land.
3. Another Ijaw clan gave the war canoe houses that left Bonny for Opobo land.
4. You can not be an authority on a culture you know nothing about.
5. As a freed slave he gained Bonny citizenship and it was a man from Bonny negotiations were made to secure what is now called Bonny
6. The conflict was primarily due to Jaja's faction wanting Ijaw traditional worship to be preserved. The amayanabo of Bonny was shifting towards christianity

The evidence that Jaja is igbo is scattered everywhere on the net. It's not even a subject of debate to those that know history
If you have freed him as a slave then he is free indeed. You can't treat him as such any longer
Even if you say that the land belongs to Ijaws and has been agreed by the fore fathers and given to him and his descendants who still occupy the place till date why are you people still dragging what has been given out through agreements and concessions hundreds of years ago.

Jaja family will continue to occupy it forever and they are igbos with igbo names as chika, chinedu, Chima.
The Jajas of igbo origin has come to stay.
If somebody introduces himself to you that his name is Chima from opobo and ijaw by tribe. Wouldn't you be confused

You have given opobo out to the Jajas and its forever.
You didn't rent it out to them. It was given to him because he fulfilled the criteria
You can't be dragging what has been conceded
Even if you change the name of the kingship to amanayabo it doesn't change the Jajas to ijaw tribe. Igbo is the lingua franca in the Palace
which is the most important thing.

The fulanis named ilorin with an emir instead of an oba. That has not made ilorin to now be a fulani town. It's still Yoruba
People don't convert from one tribe to another. You are still who you are.

Please try and find out through the net where Jaja originates from. He is igbo

bigfish3k:

The evidence that Jaja is igbo is scattered everywhere on the net. It's not even a subject of debate to those that know history
If you have freed him as a slave then he is free indeed. You can't treat him as such any longer
Even if you say that the land belongs to Ijaws and has been agreed by the fore fathers and given to him and his descendants who still occupy the place till date why are you people still dragging what has been given out through agreements and concessions hundreds of years ago.

Jaja family will continue to occupy it forever and they are igbos with igbo names as chika, chinedu, Chima.
The Jajas of igbo origin has come to stay.
If somebody introduces himself to you that his name is Chima from opobo and ijaw by tribe. Wouldn't you be confused

You have given opobo out to the Jajas and its forever.
You didn't rent it out to them. It was given to him because he fulfilled the criteria
You can't be dragging what has been conceded
Even if you change the name of the kingship to amanayabo it doesn't change the Jajas to ijaw tribe. Igbo is the lingua franca in the Palace
which is the most important thing.

The fulanis named ilorin with an emir instead of an oba. That has not made ilorin to now be a fulani town. It's still Yoruba
People don't convert from one tribe to another. You are still who you are.

Please try and find out through the net where Jaja originates from. He is igbo

Like I have always maintained, there is no evidence he was Igbo. That was based on hearsay. The only evidence we have is that Chief Jumbo jumbogha, later known as king Jaja left Bonny as an Ijaw man from the grand Bonny(Ibani) kingdom with many sons and daughters of Bonny to form Opubo ama( widely known as Opobo).

The land Opobo was founded was not given to Jaja, it was given to Ijaw people by other Ijaw people. Jaja's known origin is Bonny island.

Your Ilorin comparison is so flawed!

The Fulani came to a city already inhabited by Yoruba people. If you had shame you will keep quiet! The fact you sold your people into slavery should be a thing of shame. Why don't you go and lay claims to Colombia, Brazil, America etc? I think Igbo slaves were sold there too!

Find out on the net where Kunta Kinte originated from! Madness!!! You want to educate me on my history? Are you okay?

You answer names like Romanus, Vernacius, John, Callistus, Bernard etc. Does that make you Igbo Latin or English?

From the traditional institutions to names in Opobo, it is all in Ibani dialect of the Ijaw language.

The traditional title of kings in Bonny since the days of king Jaja has been amayanabo and it will always remain that way, 150 years of Ijaw tradition. It happens to be one of the youngest Ijaw city states.

bigfish3k:

Hmnm. Foolish demand
You demanded to be separated from the igbos and be handed over to the illiterate fulani jihadists in far away sokoto. RUGA is waiting for you.

Assuming the igbos controlled your land 50%, the herdsmen fulanis are now controlling it 90%.thats why you are crying every day for resource control and pay tax before you can go to your farms
The fulanis even "mumufied" you people by giving you "mai guard" contract to guide pipelines siphoning oil from your land to sokoto and Niger Republic while they occupy all the juicy positions in NNPC
They will be paying you peanuts from the money made from your land while you are meant to remain grateful to them
Its just like somebody that stole your shirt, when you complain he will remove one botton from the shirt and give you to shut your mouth.


You said Nigerian army learnt from the igbos, can you relate to me any situation where the igbos has ever wiped out a whole community of Ijaws like your fulani saviors did to you in odi.

Even if it happened, I thought the illiterate fulanis were to save you and not wipe out your generations when you try to resist them. You people are in a deeper shit. Better go and pay your tax to your fulani saviors before you go to the farm while you await RUGA and water resources bill to take over all your waters.

What is the population of the Ijaws that you say they are not minorities.
Nigeria can broadly be grouped into three tribes of which you people are grouped under igbos. When they are attacking igbos in the north, you people are not spared

Igbos did nothing against Nigeria other than to be on their own as the SE or implement aburi accord as agreed and signed by all
Igbo blood killed for nothing is crying to God and that is why Nigeria is in shambles, the Master minder, the north is suffering killings every day.
You suppose know that God must revenge for us because we have the largest concentration of Christianity in Nigeria praising God every day with different Christian songs

Everybody is shouting restructuring.
This is the same restructuring they foolishly fought against but shame will not allow them apologize to the igbos as did the north central.

You people can continue playing the ostrich, it's only the truth for the igbos can save nigeria.
Buratai has asked you to wait for another 20 years of suffering and killings.

We never asked to be with anybody! We are content being on our own. It is you leeches in Nigeria that are imposing yourselves on us.

The Fulani are a creation of Igbo stupidity and greed, without you there would be no Fulani today.

Chief Harold Dappa Biriye, a chief from Bonny pushed for the creation of an Ijaw region that would have included Ijaw from the Western and Eastern region. Chief Awolowo was initially for that idea. It was your kinsman, Chief Nnamdi Azikiwe who opposed the creation of an Ijaw region. In 1966 when Major Boro declared the Niger Delta republic it was two Igbos, Aguiyi- Ironsi and Ojukwu who fought against his quest. Ironically a few months later when states were created and we would have been separated from you Igbos, the same Ojukwu because he didn't want to see the Ijaws free from Igbo pillage and looting declared Biafra. To show that the Ojukwu war wasn't about the killing of Igbos he invaded territories that were neither Igbo or under the defunct eastern region where he was governor.

The reason we are talking about resource control today is because at some point in time Gowon was advised to suspend the derivation principle. Not long after that was done Ojukwu abandoned Biafra!

Go and read senator George Sekibo's memoir. He talked about some of your war crimes. Kelson Harrison also wrote on his horrible experience under Biafran occupation.

Aguiyi- Ironsi's restructuring is what the Fulani enjoy today.

Is it Akuzu,Otokoto, Okija or Baby factory kind of 'Christianity'?

If God will require blood it is that of the Ijaw and other Niger Deltans that was shed by Biafra and Nigeria.

Grouped by who under Igbo? Nobody grouped us under Igbo, it is Igbos that have been trying to promote that false narrative.

That the Igbo happened to be majority in the defunct eastern region doesn't mean Ijaw are minorities in Nigeria. Our people were split between the east and west due to Nnamdi Azikiwe's selfish agenda.

There's nothing wrong with people being minorities except in societies people just steal from others based on their numbers.

The Fulani you fear are even smaller than many of the smaller groups in the Niger Delta.

As if the killings Buratai is talking about happens in my area!

By God's grace it will NEVER come to our place.

PHijo:


We never asked to be with anybody! We are content being on our own. It is you leeches in Nigeria that are imposing yourselves on us.

The Fulani are a creation of Igbo stupidity and greed, without you there would be no Fulani today.

Chief Harold Dappa Biriye, a chief from Bonny pushed for the creation of an Ijaw region that would have included Ijaw from the Western and Eastern region. Chief Awolowo was initially for that idea. It was your kinsman, Chief Nnamdi Azikiwe who opposed the creation of an Ijaw region. In 1966 when Major Boro declared the Niger Delta republic it was two Igbos, Aguiyi- Ironsi and Ojukwu who fought against his quest. Ironically a few months later when states were created and we would have been separated from you Igbos, the same Ojukwu because he didn't want to see the Ijaws free from Igbo pillage and looting declared Biafra. To show that the Ojukwu war wasn't about the killing of Igbos he invaded territories that were neither Igbo or under the defunct eastern region where he was governor.

The reason we are talking about resource control today is because at some point in time Gowon was advised to suspend the derivation principle. Not long after that was done Ojukwu abandoned Biafra!

Go and read senator George Sekibo's memoir. He talked about some of your war crimes. Kelson Harrison also wrote on his horrible experience under Biafran occupation.

Aguiyi- Ironsi's restructuring is what the Fulani enjoy today.

Is it Akuzu,Otokoto, Okija or Baby factory kind of 'Christianity'?

If God will require blood it is that of the Ijaw and other Niger Deltans that was shed by Biafra and Nigeria.

Grouped by who under Igbo? Nobody grouped us under Igbo, it is Igbos that have been trying to promote that false narrative.

That the Igbo happened to be majority in the defunct eastern region doesn't mean Ijaw are minorities in Nigeria. Our people were split between the east and west due to Nnamdi Azikiwe's selfish agenda.

There's nothing wrong with people being minorities except in societies people just steal from others based on their numbers.

The Fulani you fear are even smaller than many of the smaller groups in the Niger Delta.

As if the killings Buratai is talking about happens in my area!

By God's grace it will NEVER come to our place.

I am not telling you I supported Nnamdi Azikiwes foolish one nigeria stand nor aguuiy ironsi's illiterate unitary decree.
I agree that those igbo men didn't do well but another igbo man by name Ojukwu corrected the anomalies with "aburi accord" and forged a way forward which would have benefited everybody but you all out of hatred for the igbos decided to fight against it, you didn't know that you were fighting against Nigeria's progress.

See where we are today since the igbos left Nigeria for you people to manage since 1970.

The killings buratai is talking about includes kidnapping and armed robbery which is as a result of your guys not having job.
My guy by the kind of wealth in your place your people supposed to be enjoying like the Saudis and Kuwait people.

If igbos pillage you is it not better than fulani pillaging?
At least the wealth will remain in this our region. No igbo man will kill you because of religion the way fulanis do to you when you go to their side either for NYSC or other things even though it's your money that was used to develop that far sokoto region they will still kill you.

God joined you with us and we also didn't ask to be joined to be one south east.
Hope you know that any ship or plane coming to eastern Nigeria their compass will read SE because there is nothing like south south in any geography in the world or on any compass

That means God made us neighbors, it's you people that invited the fulanis to come and save you from us and today they weakened us and can treat either of us anyhow they like.
The same thing afonja did against the ibadan empire that made fulanis kill him

Every Nigerian is either in this triangle WAZOBIA.
You can only be free from it when you have ur own country

We praise God. Go to churches all across Nigeria and see igbo songs dominate.
Igbos have really done justice to Christian songs in Nigeria. God will never forget us

You talking about baby factory and co.
This is earth and not heaven so earthly crimes must surface from every tribe, no tribe is 100% holy including Israel and that didn't stop God from fighting for them

Aguiyi ironsi did a mistake which Ojukwu corrected it and you people prefer ironsis restructuring and fought for it.
Igbo man never fought to keep ironsis restructuring its you people that fought to keep it so stop blaming the igbos

PHijo:


Like I have always maintained, there is no evidence he was Igbo. That was based on hearsay. The only evidence we have is that Chief Jumbo jumbogha, later known as king Jaja left Bonny as an Ijaw man from the grand Bonny(Ibani) kingdom with many sons and daughters of Bonny to form Opubo ama( widely known as Opobo).

The land Opobo was founded was not given to Jaja, it was given to Ijaw people by other Ijaw people. Jaja's known origin is Bonny island.

Your Ilorin comparison is so flawed!

The Fulani came to a city already inhabited by Yoruba people. If you had shame you will keep quiet! The fact you sold your people into slavery should be a thing of shame. Why don't you go and lay claims to Colombia, Brazil, America etc? I think Igbo slaves were sold there too!

Find out on the net where Kunta Kinte originated from! Madness!!! You want to educate me on my history? Are you okay?

You answer names like Romanus, Vernacius, John, Callistus, Bernard etc. Does that make you Igbo Latin or English?

From the traditional institutions to names in Opobo, it is all in Ibani dialect of the Ijaw language.

The traditional title of kings in Bonny since the days of king Jaja has been amayanabo and it will always remain that way, 150 years of Ijaw tradition. It happens to be one of the youngest Ijaw city states.

So if it is established that Jaja is an Igbo Man you will now agree that Opobo people are igbos.
I just don't know how to download internet on Nairaland. I would have shown you. All the internet stories including British archives recognize him as an Igbo man

If ijaw is to have a country of its own today will you allow an opobo/bonny man bearing chukwuma Chima to rule you? Wouldn't you start reminding them of their igbo origin for political gains.
Wouldn't you people marginalize them? Will they ever have a chance with you people given their minority status against the larger ijaw names like
Ayakurumo, Dobara, Iniye, Fezia etc

If all the answers are No.
Why is it that nobody bearing Chima or chinedu has ever become the president of the IYC. - ijaw youth council.

King Jaja founded opobo - that is the general recognized term and his family is the royal family there till date.
Jaja was the king of opobo and was never known with the title of amanyabo. You people want the place to look and sound ijaw but you can never remove the igboness from them.

You people are just looking for who to marginalise

Your English comparison of names with igbo names is flawed

English colonized most of the world so the world over bear their names its not the same for the igbos. We have English names on our streets like Victoria Island, George IV Street, Douglas road, bourdillion road, Cameron road etc

Anybody bearing igbo names is an Igbo because the world don't bear igbo names apart from the igbos and the igbos didn't colonize anybody so we don't have chukwuma street in London or Chima Avenue in America

So any opobo indigene or bonny indigene bearing igbo name is an Igbo because that is our distinct identity

bigfish3k:

So if it is established that Jaja is an Igbo Man you will now agree that Opobo people are igbos.
I just don't know how to download internet on Nairaland. I would have shown you. All the internet stories including British archives recognize him as an Igbo man

If ijaw is to have a country of its own today will you allow an opobo/bonny man bearing chukwuma Chima to rule you? Wouldn't you start reminding them of their igbo origin for political gains.
Wouldn't you people marginalize them? Will they ever have a chance with you people given their minority status against the larger ijaw names like
Ayakurumo, Dobara, Iniye, Fezia etc

If all the answers are No.
Why is it that nobody bearing Chima or chinedu has ever become the president of the IYC. - ijaw youth council.

King Jaja founded opobo - that is the general recognized term and his family is the royal family there till date.
Jaja was the king of opobo and was never known with the title of amanyabo. You people want the place to look and sound ijaw but you can never remove the igboness from them.

You people are just looking for who to marginalise

Your English comparison of names with igbo names is flawed

English colonized most of the world so the world over bear their names its not the same for the igbos. We have English names on our streets like Victoria Island, George IV Street, Douglas road, bourdillion road, Cameron road etc

Anybody bearing igbo names is an Igbo because the world don't bear igbo names apart from the igbos and the igbos didn't colonize anybody so we don't have chukwuma street in London or Chima Avenue in America

So any opobo indigene or bonny indigene bearing igbo name is an Igbo because that is our distinct identity

1.To start with, if one would use your logic Jaja never had an Igbo name, his was Ijaw.

2.Jaja did find a land, he and other Ijaw chieves migrated from one Ijaw island to another Ijaw island.

3.That cancels Igbos when it comes to the story of Opobo either as slaves or anything else.

4. America, Colombia and Brazil have a higher concentration of descendants of Igbo slaves than anywhere in West Africa, when you successfully lay claims to those places you can bring your discussion to West Africa.

5. Igbos never had kings, the concept of a community was forced on them by the British through the warrant chief system so Igbo couldn't have in any way played a role in the establishment of Opobo.

6. The warrant chief system only came into existence when several monarchs or chieves in the Niger Delta were banished, killed or deposed. The vacuum that was created enabled the Europeans to organize you Igbos for the first time in your history, yet it was insufficient to the point they had to put a hold on their plans.

7. Chinedu, Chukwuma etc are a figment of your imagination. They don't exist in Opobo or anywhere else in Ijawland. Igbos are fond of appropriating other people's culture to themselves. Whatever looks like a similarity today is the result of a deliberate and concerted effort by Igbos to steal peoples cultures and present it as theirs. If I choose to I can list up to 10 things the Igbo have tried to steal in the last 40 years.

8. Jaja was the amayanabo Opobo and till date the kings of Opobo are referred to as amayanabo.

9. In case you don't know the founding father of INC-Ijaw National Congress is from Bonny. A Chinedu or Chukwuemeka cannot be an IYC or INC president because it is not and will not be an extension of Ohaneze ndi Igbo, IPOB or MASSOB. They are organisations for Ijaw people and the Ibani are duly represented in all Ijaw organisations.

10. There are no such archives, there are only Igbo edited wikipedia pages with such false claims. No serious academic has ever referred to Jaja as Igbo and only IPOB pamphlets refer to Rivers Ijaws as Igbo.

bigfish3k:

I am not telling you I supported Nnamdi Azikiwes foolish one nigeria stand nor aguuiy ironsi's illiterate unitary decree.
I agree that those igbo men didn't do well but another igbo man by name Ojukwu corrected the anomalies with "aburi accord" and forged a way forward which would have benefited everybody but you all out of hatred for the igbos decided to fight against it, you didn't know that you were fighting against Nigeria's progress.

See where we are today since the igbos left Nigeria for you people to manage since 1970.

The killings buratai is talking about includes kidnapping and armed robbery which is as a result of your guys not having job.
My guy by the kind of wealth in your place your people supposed to be enjoying like the Saudis and Kuwait people.

If igbos pillage you is it not better than fulani pillaging?
At least the wealth will remain in this our region. No igbo man will kill you because of religion the way fulanis do to you when you go to their side either for NYSC or other things even though it's your money that was used to develop that far sokoto region they will still kill you.

God joined you with us and we also didn't ask to be joined to be one south east.
Hope you know that any ship or plane coming to eastern Nigeria their compass will read SE because there is nothing like south south in any geography in the world or on any compass

That means God made us neighbors, it's you people that invited the fulanis to come and save you from us and today they weakened us and can treat either of us anyhow they like.
The same thing afonja did against the ibadan empire that made fulanis kill him

Every Nigerian is either in this triangle WAZOBIA.
You can only be free from it when you have ur own country

We praise God. Go to churches all across Nigeria and see igbo songs dominate.
Igbos have really done justice to Christian songs in Nigeria. God will never forget us

You talking about baby factory and co.
This is earth and not heaven so earthly crimes must surface from every tribe, no tribe is 100% holy including Israel and that didn't stop God from fighting for them

Aguiyi ironsi did a mistake which Ojukwu corrected it and you people prefer ironsis restructuring and fought for it.
Igbo man never fought to keep ironsis restructuring its you people that fought to keep it so stop blaming the igbos

We didn't go to the Fulani to save us from the Igbos, the Middle Belt came to us( Niger Delta) and said that thing Ojukwu was bent on preventing, we are here to work with you to achieve it and we accepted their offer.

The Aburi accord was not a solution to Nigeria's problems.

The states created solved the existing problems Nnamdi Azikiwe and Aguiyi-Ironsi were largely responsible for. Ojukwu created problems and the problems he created are what Fulani benefit from till date.

Your statement that Igbo would have been better than their Fulani cousins is akin to saying that Hitler would have been better than Mussolini!

Both had the same ideology. In geography they have South, North, East and West. We belong to the South, Igbo don't belong to the South so God did not put us together. You Igbo have always tried to attach yourselves to us the way Ozo refused to let Nengi have her peace.

PHijo:


We didn't go to the Fulani to save us from the Igbos, the Middle Belt came to us( Niger Delta) and said that thing Ojukwu was bent on preventing, we are here to work with you to achieve it and we accepted their offer.

The Aburi accord was not a solution to Nigeria's problems.

The states created solved the existing problems Nnamdi Azikiwe and Aguiyi-Ironsi were largely responsible for. Ojukwu created problems and the problems he created are what Fulani benefit from till date.

Your statement that Igbo would have been better than their Fulani cousins is akin to saying that Hitler would have been better than Mussolini!

Both had the same ideology. In geography they have South, North, East and West. We belong to the South, Igbo don't belong to the South so God did not put us together. You Igbo have always tried to attach yourselves to us the way Ozo refused to let Nengi have her peace.

You accepted the offer of the middle belt and today Hausa/ Fulanis and TY Danjuma has so much money that he doesn't know what to do with it and your people are poorer. Welldone.

I repeat that you would have been better off with the igbos who are your neighbors with similarities in cultures and beliefs.
Igbo man wouldn't have ravaged you the way these fulanis are doing to you because Igboland have oil and gas too unlike the north that has no drop of it. And also The land area to be developed in the whole of the SE is very small compared to the unending gigantic land mass that your oil is used to develop in the north and west.
Its good to know that you agreed that that nomenclature "South south" does not exist.
In the map igbos are artificially restricted to the middle and the efik/Ibibio are in the east including some Ijaws.
From what you know about maps, where do you classify igbos since the efiks have occupied the east and you people occupied the south.
The igbos can therefore swing in either pendulum and be called south east. So we are attached forever by God. You can't recreate it

How do you know that something you didn't give a try will not work.
If you say aburi didn't solve anything, are we now in a better solution? And why is everybody crying for restructuring.

But everybody and every political leaders then signed the aburi accord

PHijo:


1.To start with, if one would use your logic Jaja never had an Igbo name, his was Ijaw.

2.Jaja did find a land, he and other Ijaw chieves migrated from one Ijaw island to another Ijaw island.

3.That cancels Igbos when it comes to the story of Opobo either as slaves or anything else.

4. America, Colombia and Brazil have a higher concentration of descendants of Igbo slaves than anywhere in West Africa, when you successfully lay claims to those places you can bring your discussion to West Africa.

5. Igbos never had kings, the concept of a community was forced on them by the British through the warrant chief system so Igbo couldn't have in any way played a role in the establishment of Opobo.

6. The warrant chief system only came into existence when several monarchs or chieves in the Niger Delta were banished, killed or deposed. The vacuum that was created enabled the Europeans to organize you Igbos for the first time in your history, yet it was insufficient to the point they had to put a hold on their plans.

7. Chinedu, Chukwuma etc are a figment of your imagination. They don't exist in Opobo or anywhere else in Ijawland. Igbos are fond of appropriating other people's culture to themselves. Whatever looks like a similarity today is the result of a deliberate and concerted effort by Igbos to steal peoples cultures and present it as theirs. If I choose to I can list up to 10 things the Igbo have tried to steal in the last 40 years.

8. Jaja was the amayanabo Opobo and till date the kings of Opobo are referred to as amayanabo.

9. In case you don't know the founding father of INC-Ijaw National Congress is from Bonny. A Chinedu or Chukwuemeka cannot be an IYC or INC president because it is not and will not be an extension of Ohaneze ndi Igbo, IPOB or MASSOB. They are organisations for Ijaw people and the Ibani are duly represented in all Ijaw organisations.

10. There are no such archives, there are only Igbo edited wikipedia pages with such false claims. No serious academic has ever referred to Jaja as Igbo and only IPOB pamphlets refer to Rivers Ijaws as Igbo.

King Jajas igbo name is Mbanaso Okwaraozurumba from umuduruoha in amaigbo village in imo state.

No matter the recent twisting of history that you all want to do because of igbo hatred.
These below facts are established and are true :
1.igbo slaves were trafficked through bonny
2.. King Jaja was a slave
3 king Jaja was indoctrinated into being ijaw from an igbo.
4.King Jaja was later freed therefore returning him to be his natural igbo
5.king Jaja had a quarrel with the pepples
6.king Jaja left with his people to find the opobo kingdom.
7.king Jaja is therefore an igbo man because it was the igbos that were trafficked as slaves and king Jaja happens to be a slave. Or did you people traffic Ijaws as slaves through bonny too.
And again, why was he indoctrinated into being an Ijaw
8.if Jonathan hadn't come to prominence we wouldn't have known that even Ijaws outside opobo answer igbo names like Ebele.
So there is nothing like figment of imagination

bigfish3k:

King Jajas igbo name is Mbanaso Okwaraozurumba from umuduruoha in amaigbo village in imo state.

No matter the recent twisting of history that you all want to do because of igbo hatred.
These below facts are established and are true :
1.igbo slaves were trafficked through bonny
2.. King Jaja was a slave
3 king Jaja was indoctrinated into being ijaw from an igbo.
4.King Jaja was later freed therefore returning him to be his natural igbo
5.king Jaja had a quarrel with the pepples
6.king Jaja left with his people to find the opobo kingdom.
7.king Jaja is therefore an igbo man because it was the igbos that were trafficked as slaves and king happens to be a slave
8.if Jonathan hadn't come to prominence we wouldn't have known that even Ijaws outside opobo answer igbo names like Ebele.
So there is nothing like figment of imagination

Ijaws in Opobo don't bear Igbo names, neither do Ijaws outside Opobo.

Goodluck Jonathan's middle name is Ijaw and not Igbo! Some of you confuse Ijaw names for Igbo names. These names have different meanings to us.

There was no time Jaja left Bonny as an Igbo man or anything else. He left Bonny as an Ibani man.

Opobo was established as an Ibani kingdom. Opobo was created by Ibani people and not one individual. Other Ijaw people gave the land and it was with the aid of other Ijaw city states Opobo gained recognition.

There's no evidence to prove Jaja was of Igbo descent. He could be Ijaw, Ogoni, Ibibio or Igbo. The truth is no evidence to prove he was Igbo. All of that is pure speculation.

bigfish3k:

You accepted the offer of the middle belt and today Hausa/ Fulanis and TY Danjuma has so much money that he doesn't know what to do with it and your people are poorer. Welldone.

I repeat that you would have been better off with the igbos who are your neighbors with similarities in cultures and beliefs.
Igbo man wouldn't have ravaged you the way these fulanis are doing to you because Igboland have oil and gas too unlike the north that has no drop of it. And also The land area to be developed in the whole of the SE is very small compared to the unending gigantic land mass that your oil is used to develop in the north and west.
Its good to know that you agreed that that nomenclature "South south" does not exist.
In the map igbos are artificially restricted to the middle and the efik/Ibibio are in the east including some Ijaws.
From what you know about maps, where do you classify igbos since the efiks have occupied the east and you people occupied the south.
The igbos can therefore swing in either pendulum and be called south east. So we are attached forever by God. You can't recreate it

How do you know that something you didn't give a try will not work.
If you say aburi didn't solve anything, are we now in a better solution? And why is everybody crying for restructuring.

But everybody and every political leaders then signed the aburi accord

Everything we suffer today is all thanks to Ojukwu. If Ojukwu didn't secede after states were created we won't have the system that is in place today. Aburi was all about Igbo and no one else!

I don't care if those with oppressive tendencies are Igbo, Fulani, Yoruba or anything else. They won't be tolerated, period!

We are the South and it is up to you Igbo to know your place. What we know is that we don't share the South with us. From our perspective the North is you(Igbo). You are North of us.

PHijo:


Ijaws in Opobo don't bear Igbo names, neither do Ijaws outside Opobo.

Goodluck Jonathan's middle name is Ijaw and not Igbo! Some of you confuse Ijaw names for Igbo names. These names have different meanings to us.

There was no time Jaja left Bonny as an Igbo man or anything else. He left Bonny as an Ibani man.

Opobo was established as an Ibani kingdom. Opobo was created by Ibani people and not one individual. Other Ijaw people gave the land and it was with the aid of other Ijaw city states Opobo gained recognition.

There's no evidence to prove Jaja was of Igbo descent. He could be Ijaw, Ogoni, Ibibio or Igbo. The truth is no evidence to prove he was Igbo. All of that is pure speculation.

But was Jaja a slave?
If he was a slave then he must be igbo because it was igbo slaves that was trafficked

bigfish3k:

But was Jaja a slave?
If he was a slave then he must be igbo because it was igbo slaves that was trafficked

Not only Igbos happened to be slaves. We bought slaves, if there was trafficking you should blame that on your Igbo kinfolk.

PHijo:


Everything we suffer today is all thanks to Ojukwu. If Ojukwu didn't secede after states were created we won't have the system that is in place today. Aburi was all about Igbo and no one else!

I don't care if those with oppressive tendencies are Igbo, Fulani, Yoruba or anything else. They won't be tolerated, period!

We are the South and it is up to you Igbo to know your place. What we know is that we don't share the South with us. From our perspective the North is you(Igbo). You are North of us.

There is no absolute freedom anywhere or in anything . Humans are meant to live with the best possible outcome out of a given situation but you people chose the worst outcome that is what all are suffering today.

Igbos were still your best outcome

PHijo:


Not only Igbos happened to be slaves. We bought slaves, if there was trafficking you should blame that on your Igbo kinfolk.

It would have been better you name the other tribes you bought slaves from let's see if Ijaws were among so that we can say Jaja was an Ijaw