enilove:


Don't try it o , na bondage.

me keeh. Ordinary one self na pushing i dey push not to talk of 2 or 32. I no wan die untimely ooo.

AntiChristian:


Yahweh permitted slavery and you're talking about Jesus!

Common get out jare!

But your false Prophet was a slave trader and a slave owner

AntiChristian:


You don't even understand the settings of the verse and you're already crucifying yourself? As is usual from Christians, pick one verse, join a hadith and malign Islam without thinking!

Allaah Says (what means): {But let them who find not [the means for] marriage abstain [from sexual relations] until Allaah enriches them from His bounty. And those who seek a contract [for eventual emancipation by purchasing their freedom from their owners for a price agreed upon] from among whom your right hands possess — then make a contract with them if you know there is within them goodness and give them from the wealth of Allaah which He has given you. And do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, if they desire chastity, to seek [thereby] the temporary interests of worldly life. And if someone should compel them, then indeed, Allaah is [to them], after their compulsion, Forgiving and Merciful.}[Quran 24:33]

The above verse is an order from Allaah to whoever is not able to marry to abstain from illegal sexual relations, like the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) said: "O young people, whoever is able to marry should marry, and whoever is not able to do so, he should fast, as fasting diminishes his sexual desires." Then the verse advised those who own slaves to make a contract with those slaves who seek such a contract to pay money in order to emancipate themselves.

However, it is not permissible for a woman to commit Zina (adultery or fornication) whether she is a slave woman or a free woman, and it is not permissible for her master to allow her to do so; rather, he is obliged to prevent her from committing Zina according to his ability. This verse was revealed to clarify what used to happen at that time as some hypocrites, like ‘Abdullaah ibn Ubay ibn Salool, used to compel their slave girls to commit Zina so that they would bring them some money, so the verse prohibited them from doing so.

The condition of desiring chastity in the verse is mentioned because it corresponds to the state of being compelled to do so and this is the case in which desiring chastely often exists, because if a slave girl does that out of her own will, then she does not need to be compelled to do that in principle, and this meaning is mentioned by Ibn Al-‘Arabi may Allaah have mercy upon him in his book entitled “Ahkaam Al-Quran” (The Rulings of the Quran).

Allaah Knows best.

You guys never admit that anyone else understands the SETTING of your verses.
Even you Moslems don't understand the settings.
That is why you always come up with the disclaimer "ALLAH KNOWS BEST"

Allah claims to have sent a clear book. The Hadiths are supposed to further clarify things. Yet you guys end up still unable to decipher between Allah's abrogation, the settings of the passages and even the Islamic scholars' explanations of passages in your books.

Look at the topic of the thread. Did Allah, even for a while, approve prostitution? The answer is 'Yes'. But you don't want to admit it.
Does the prostitution have to do with only slaves? No!
Are there conflicting Hadiths on the issue? Again, the answer is 'Yes'.
How do guys then wrap your heads around all these inconsistencies? I wonder. I just wonder.

Instead of admitting the obvious flaws in a religion that is claimed to be from a god, you go around trying to unearth dirt where there is none.

sagenaija:
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You guys never admit that anyone else understands the SETTING of your verses.
Even you Moslems don't understand the settings.
That is why you always come up with the disclaimer "ALLAH KNOWS BEST"

Allah claims to have sent a clear book. The Hadiths are supposed to further clarify things. Yet you guys end up still unable to decipher between Allah's abrogation, the settings of the passages and even the Islamic scholars' explanations of passages in your books.

Look at the topic of the thread. Did Allah, even for a while, approve prostitution? The answer is 'Yes'. But you don't want to admit it.
Does the prostitution have to do with only slaves? No!
Are there conflicting Hadiths on the issue? Again, the answer is 'Yes'.
How do guys then wrap your heads around all these inconsistencies? I wonder. I just wonder.

Instead of admitting the obvious flaws in a religion that is claimed to be from a god, you go around trying to unearth dirt where there is none.

If it is your scripture you'll claim people without the holy spirit can't interpret it. If 10 Christians with the holy spirit are kept in a separate room, it's sure the spirit will guide them to different revelations which will be dependent on their knowledge, exposure, qualification, denomination, etc.

Moreso, "Allah knows best" is directing the knowledge back to Allah removing ourselves from show off. As this was common with those who follow the traditions of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam.

Where there's no law there's no sin. Can you tell us when Islam permitted Zina stating the verses and associate laws?

The judgement of Zina in an Islamic country is flogging or being stoned to death if married!

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And come not near to unlawful sex. Verily, it is a Faahishah (i.e. anything that transgresses its limits: a great sin, and an evil way that leads one to hell unless Allaah Forgives him)”
[al-Isra’ 17:32]

advocatejare:

But your false Prophet was a slave trader and a slave owner

And Yahweh permitted, approved and encouraged slavery extensively!

Here are some Biblical Slave verses approved by YAHWEH, JEHOVAH:

1. Permission to sell Slaves.
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.
Leviticus 25:44-46

2. Ruling on selling your daughter as a slave
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.
Exodus 21:7-11

3. A slave is his owners property...
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.
Exodus 21:7-11

So as you can see, if the slave doesn't die, then there is no punishment, it is just a loss for the owner since the slave is too hurt to work! WOW! So this means, you can hurt your slave as much as you want, just make sure IT doesn't die, and the reason I say IT is because it is clear the Bible regards slaves as mere processions, an object, like land, and not a human being.

So as you can see, the Bible's slavery in the OT is no different than the slavery inflicted upon black people by white Americans and white Europeans, they got these racist slavery attitudes straight from the bible, even the Biblical commentator said they are the same!

enilove:


Why would God permit prostitution at first and then change his mind?

Allah is not a God that would send part of Himself or Himself to be born as a man passing through a human's birth canal, suckling milk and being protected by humans. Allah is far above all these. Glory Be to Him.

Allah grants favor to whomever He wills and those permission where only for those companions at that time.

Was it not forbidden for the Israelites about 2300 years b4 Muhammad?

Yeah it was!

Numbers 31: 17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

And I remember the seductive story of Ruth in the Bible. This story is good moral booster for your female folks!

Was Allah that forgetful?

...My Lord is neither unaware nor He forgets. Qur'an 20:52

Allah is not your Creator , but an Arabian god of the ancestors of Muhammad.

Allah is the Creator of all things, and He is the Wakil (Trustee, Disposer of affairs, Guardian, etc.) over all things.
Qur'an 39:62

enilove:


Slavery but not prostitution.

God also compel the slave owners to free them after seven years of servitudes.

That is justice

The laws of Yahweh are many and I don't know how you are hypocritically hiding them.

Have you ever heard of Onanism before? It stems from Genesis 38 and it means coitus interruptus or masturbation.

Onan spilled the seed and God killed him. The law then was for a brother to marry their brother's widow and make seed for him.

And in this same chapter, Onan's father fornicates with his son's wife, God didn't kill him but blessed the union. Onan spilled seed God killed him.

AntiChristian:


Allah is not a God that would send part of Himself or Himself to be born as a man passing through a human's birth canal, suckling milk and being protected by humans. Allah is far above all these. Glory Be to Him.

But your Allah is so filthy that he could sniff a woman's vagina and breathe his spirit into it.

Allah claims that he blew his spirit into the farjaha فَرْجَهَا (Mariam's vagina) and impregnated her and denied his responsibility. No man should emulate Allah, the god that will impregnate a virgin and deny his responsibility.

Allah said Maryam guarded her vagina (farjaha) and He Allah breathed THEREIN(feeha) his Ruh(Spirit).

Farjaha means vagina in Arabic but Muslims are ashamed for Allah that is why some English translator of the Quran translated farjaha as chastity and some translated it as private part.

The Arabic word for chastity referring to virginity is batulliya بَتوليّة which means celibacy or virginity and that was not the word used in Surah 21:91 Allah specifically mentioned farjaha, her cleft/her vagina/her vulva


وَالَّتِىٓ أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهَا مِنْ رُّوحِنَا وَجَعَلْنٰهَا وَابْنَهَآ ءَايَةً لِّلْعٰلَمِينَ
(QS. Al-Anbiyaa 21: Verse 91)
Wa-allati [and who] ahsanat [guarded] farjaha [her vágina] fanafakhnā [so we breathed] feeha [therein] min [of] ruhina [our spirit] waja [and we] alnāhā [made her] wa-ibnahā [and her son] ayatan [a sign] lil’ʿālamīna [for the world].

Allah grants favor to whomever He wills

And his sole purpose is the purpose of the devil to put people in hell. Allah is the devil

وَلَوْ شِئْنَا لَءَاتَيْنَا كُلَّ نَفْسٍ هُدٰىهَا وَلٰكِنْ حَقَّ الْقَوْلُ مِنِّى لَأَمْلَأَنَّ جَهَنَّمَ مِنَ الْجِنَّةِ وَالنَّاسِ أَجْمَعِينَ
"And if We had willed, We could have given every soul its guidance, but the word from Me will come into effect [that] I will surely fill Hell with jinn and people all together."
(QS. As-Sajda 32: Verse 13)


What's the difference between Allah and Satan if both of them lead people astray:

أَلَمْ تَرَ إِلَى الَّذِينَ يَزْعُمُونَ أَنَّهُمْ ءَامَنُوا بِمَآ أُنْزِلَ إِلَيْكَ وَمَآ أُنْزِلَ مِنْ قَبْلِكَ يُرِيدُونَ أَنْ يَتَحَاكَمُوٓا إِلَى الطّٰغُوتِ وَقَدْ أُمِرُوٓا أَنْ يَكْفُرُوا بِهِۦ وَيُرِيدُ الشَّيْطٰنُ أَنْ يُضِلَّهُمْ ضَلٰلًۢا بَعِيدًا
"Have you not seen those who claim to have believed in what was revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you? They wish to refer legislation to Taghut, while they were commanded to reject it; and Satan wishes to lead them far astray."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 60)


مَنْ يُضْلِلِ اللَّهُ فَلَا هَادِىَ لَهُۥ  ۚ وَيَذَرُهُمْ فِى طُغْيٰنِهِمْ يَعْمَهُونَ
"Whoever Allah sends astray - there is no guide for him. And He leaves them in their transgression, wandering blindly."
(QS. Al-A'raaf 7: Verse 186

AntiChristian:


If it is your scripture you'll claim people without the holy spirit can't interpret it. If 10 Christians with the holy spirit are kept in a separate room, it's sure the spirit will guide them to different revelations which will be dependent on their knowledge, exposure, qualification, denomination, etc.

Moreso, "Allah knows best" is directing the knowledge back to Allah removing ourselves from show off. As this was common with those who follow the traditions of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam.

Where there's no law there's no sin. Can you tell us when Islam permitted Zina stating the verses and associate laws?

The judgement of Zina in an Islamic country is flogging or being stoned to death if married!

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And come not near to unlawful sex. Verily, it is a Faahishah (i.e. anything that transgresses its limits: a great sin, and an evil way that leads one to hell unless Allaah Forgives him)”
[al-Isra’ 17:32]

You never seem to focus on the issue at hand.
The OP gave you Koran and Hadiths showing that Muta, Aka prostitution is allowed in Islam.
He showed how Mohamed allowed it. He is your example to follow: is he not?

Are you now claiming that those references are not in your books?
Is it a game to you to want to deceive others by hiding the truth about Islam and twisting issues?
Are we talking about what happens in Islamic countries or what your books say?
Even if what you quote is right, how do you deal with the glaring contradictions in your books?
And this is a religion that came to make things clear?

sagenaija:
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You never seem to focus on the issue at hand.
The OP gave you Koran and Hadiths showing that Muta, Aka prostitution is allowed in Islam.
He showed how Mohamed allowed it. He is your example to follow: is he not?

Are you now claiming that those references are not in your books?
Is it a game to you to want to deceive others by hiding the truth about Islam and twisting issues?
Are we talking about what happens in Islamic countries or what your books say?
Even if what you quote is right, how do you deal with the glaring contradictions in your books?
And this is a religion that came to make things clear?

I think I have answered the OP so why carry the matter for head again?

AntiChristian:


Allah is not a God that would send part of Himself or Himself to be born as a man passing through a human's birth canal, suckling milk and being protected by humans. Allah is far above all these. Glory Be to Him.

Allah grants favor to whomever He wills and those permission where only for those companions at that time.



Yeah it was!

Numbers 31: 17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

And I remember the seductive story of Ruth in the Bible. This story is good moral booster for your female folks!



...My Lord is neither unaware nor He forgets. Qur'an 20:52



Allah is the Creator of all things, and He is the Wakil (Trustee, Disposer of affairs, Guardian, etc.) over all things.
Qur'an 39:62

Pls , be reasonable . The account of Number 31 you quoted above does not relate to an act of adultery and prostitutions.

Did you say in your second paragraph above, that Allah granted the followers of Muhammad permission to indulge in prostitutions ?

If your answer is ''yes'' , why couldn't you say so from the onset ?
This means am right.

But the question you need to ask yourself is ,how can this be from a HOLY GOD ?

You need to check this out :

Hadith



حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا ابْنُ جُرَيْجٍ، أَخْبَرَنِي أَبُو الزُّبَيْرِ، قَالَ سَمِعْتُ جَابِرَ بْنَ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، يَقُولُ كُنَّا نَسْتَمْتِعُ بِالْقُبْضَةِ مِنَ التَّمْرِ وَالدَّقِيقِ الأَيَّامَ عَلَى عَهْدِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَأَبِي بَكْرٍ حَتَّى نَهَى عَنْهُ عُمَرُ فِي شَأْنِ عَمْرِو بْنِ حُرَيْثٍ ‏.‏



Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported:

We contracted temporary marriage giving a handful of (tales or flour as a dower during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and durnig the time of Abu Bakr until 'Umar forbade it in the case of 'Amr b. Huraith.


Sahih Muslim 1405 d
In-book : Book 16, Hadith 19
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 8, Hadith 3249  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

WHO GAVE UMAR THE AUTHORITY TO CANCEL WHAT ALLAH DID NOT ASK MUHAMMAD TO FORBIDE ?

Is this not a sin against Allah and Muhammad ?

enilove:


Pls , be reasonable . The account of Number 31 you quoted above does not relate to an act of adultery and prostitutions.

1.Yeah it's far worse than prostitution. Your LORD ordered a real massacre (unlike the false Lekki one) and they killed all males young and old and all females old and young who were non-virgins. Only the virgins were spared by the LORD for the warriors.
So what do have to say to this vis a vis Boko Haram vs Chibok girls?

2. And what about Ruth's seduction in the Bible?

Did you say in your second paragraph above, that Allah granted the followers of Muhammad permission to indulge in prostitutions ?

If your answer is ''yes'' , why couldn't you say so from the onset ?
This means am right.

But the question you need to ask yourself is ,how can this be from a HOLY GOD ?

You gave it that name. It was never called by that. Even the hadith you quoted below mentioned "Temporary marriage".

You need to check this out :

Hadith

حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا ابْنُ جُرَيْجٍ، أَخْبَرَنِي أَبُو الزُّبَيْرِ، قَالَ سَمِعْتُ جَابِرَ بْنَ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، يَقُولُ كُنَّا نَسْتَمْتِعُ بِالْقُبْضَةِ مِنَ التَّمْرِ وَالدَّقِيقِ الأَيَّامَ عَلَى عَهْدِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَأَبِي بَكْرٍ حَتَّى نَهَى عَنْهُ عُمَرُ فِي شَأْنِ عَمْرِو بْنِ حُرَيْثٍ ‏.‏

Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported:

We contracted temporary marriage giving a handful of (tales or flour as a dower during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and durnig the time of Abu Bakr until 'Umar forbade it in the case of 'Amr b. Huraith.

Sahih Muslim 1405 d
In-book : Book 16, Hadith 19
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 8, Hadith 3249  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

WHO GAVE UMAR THE AUTHORITY TO CANCEL WHAT ALLAH DID NOT ASK MUHAMMAD TO FORBIDE ?

Is this not a sin against Allah and Muhammad?

You see how you exposed your ignorance now? Or can we say you purposely brought these lies to impugn Islam?
Anyways, you are an ignoramus liar!

With regard to those who said that it is permissible, they are among those who did not hear that it had been forbidden. The Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) – including ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib and ‘Abd-Allaah ibn al-Zubayr – refuted Ibn ‘Abbaas’s view that mut’ah was permitted.

It was narrated from ‘Ali that he heard Ibn ‘Abbaas permitting mut’ah marriage, and he said, “Wait a minute, O Ibn ‘Abbaas, for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade it on the day of Khaybar and (he also forbade) the meat of tame donkeys.”
Narrated by Muslim, 1407.

One Hadith is not read in Isolation....as there can be other reports on the same matter.

Your question in bold is another lie. I gave ahadith where the Prophet forbade temporary marriage before.

It was narrated from ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade mut’ah marriage and the meat of domestic donkeys at the time of Khaybar. According to another report, he forbade mut’ah marriage at the time of Khaybar and he forbade the meat of tame donkeys.
Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3979; Muslim, 1407.

It was narrated from al-Rabee’ ibn Sabrah al-Juhani that his father told him that he was with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) who said, “O people, I used to allow you to engage in mut’ah marriages, but now Allaah has forbidden that until the Day of Resurrection, so whoever has any wives in a mut’ah marriage, he should let her go and do not take anything of the (money) you have given them.”
Narrated by Muslim, 1406.

AntiChristian:


1.Yeah it's far worse than prostitution. Your LORD ordered a real massacre (unlike the false Lekki one) and they killed all males young and old and all females old and young who were non-virgins. Only the virgins were spared by the LORD for the warriors.
So what do have to say to this vis a vis Boko Haram vs Chibok girls?

2. And what about Ruth's seduction in the Bible?




You gave it that name. It was never called by that. Even the hadith you quoted below mentioned "Temporary marriage".



You see how you exposed your ignorance now? Or can we say you purposely brought these lies to impugn Islam?
Anyways, you are an ignoramus liar!

With regard to those who said that it is permissible, they are among those who did not hear that it had been forbidden. The Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) – including ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib and ‘Abd-Allaah ibn al-Zubayr – refuted Ibn ‘Abbaas’s view that mut’ah was permitted.

It was narrated from ‘Ali that he heard Ibn ‘Abbaas permitting mut’ah marriage, and he said, “Wait a minute, O Ibn ‘Abbaas, for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade it on the day of Khaybar and (he also forbade) the meat of tame donkeys.”
Narrated by Muslim, 1407.

One Hadith is not read in Isolation....as there can be other reports on the same matter.

Your question in bold is another lie. I gave ahadith where the Prophet forbade temporary marriage before.

It was narrated from ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade mut’ah marriage and the meat of domestic donkeys at the time of Khaybar. According to another report, he forbade mut’ah marriage at the time of Khaybar and he forbade the meat of tame donkeys.
Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3979; Muslim, 1407.

It was narrated from al-Rabee’ ibn Sabrah al-Juhani that his father told him that he was with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) who said, “O people, I used to allow you to engage in mut’ah marriages, but now Allaah has forbidden that until the Day of Resurrection, so whoever has any wives in a mut’ah marriage, he should let her go and do not take anything of the (money) you have given them.”
Narrated by Muslim, 1406.

You are deceiving yourself .

What is mut' ah ? How is that different from adultery ?

They needed women to sleep with for some days , they gave them gift and had sex with them.
Is that marriage ? Is there anything like temporary marriage , in the right sense of marriage.
What happens if it results into pregnancy?Would you call the child a temporary child?

It is only in Islam we would find such nonsense.
If it was good , why was it cancelled ?
Why is Allah always abrogating surah and changing like chameleon ?

Why did Allah approve hadiths ? Did he not know there would be diff opinions or testimonies ?
I am sure he is not an all knowing god.

How did I lie when I quoted something from a SAHIH Hadith ?

Who is an ignorant now ?
I think I know why :

Hadith

حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا مَعْمَرٌ، عَنْ جَعْفَرٍ الْجَزَرِيِّ، عَنْ يَزِيدَ بْنِ الأَصَمِّ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏

‏ وَالَّذِي نَفْسِي بِيَدِهِ لَوْ لَمْ تُذْنِبُوا لَذَهَبَ اللَّهُ بِكُمْ وَلَجَاءَ بِقَوْمٍ يُذْنِبُونَ فَيَسْتَغْفِرُونَ اللَّهَ فَيَغْفِرُ لَهُمْ ‏"


Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:

By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.

Sahih Muslim 2749
In-book : Book 50, Hadith 13
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 37, Hadith 6622  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

THIS MEANS , IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT IF YOU COMMIT ADULTERY , SINCE ALLAH HAS FIXED IT FOR YOU FROM HEAVEN B4 YOU WERE CREATED.

IS THIS GOD OR SATAN ?

THINK AND STOP ARGUING

enilove:


You are deceiving yourself .

What is mut' ah ? How is that different from adultery ?

They needed women to sleep with for some days , they gave them gift and had sex with them.
Is that marriage ? Is there anything like temporary marriage , in the right sense of marriage.
What happens if it results into pregnancy?Would you call the child a temporary child?

It is only in Islam we would find such nonsense.
If it was good , why was it cancelled ?
Why is Allah always abrogating surah and changing like chameleon ?

Why did Allah approve hadiths ? Did he not know there would be diff opinions or testimonies ?
I am sure he is not an all knowing god.

How did I lie when I quoted something from a SAHIH Hadith ?

Who is an ignorant now ?
I think I know why :

Hadith

حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا مَعْمَرٌ، عَنْ جَعْفَرٍ الْجَزَرِيِّ، عَنْ يَزِيدَ بْنِ الأَصَمِّ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏

‏ وَالَّذِي نَفْسِي بِيَدِهِ لَوْ لَمْ تُذْنِبُوا لَذَهَبَ اللَّهُ بِكُمْ وَلَجَاءَ بِقَوْمٍ يُذْنِبُونَ فَيَسْتَغْفِرُونَ اللَّهَ فَيَغْفِرُ لَهُمْ ‏"


Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:

By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.

Sahih Muslim 2749
In-book : Book 50, Hadith 13
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 37, Hadith 6622  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

THIS MEANS , IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT IF YOU COMMIT ADULTERY , SINCE ALLAH HAS FIXED IT FOR YOU FROM HEAVEN B4 YOU WERE CREATED.

IS THIS GOD OR SATAN ?

THINK AND STOP ARGUING

You haven't finish one argument. Don't run away to another! You have to answer this questions. At least the temporary marriage was abrogated. And it was at a time when the state was in transition.


Numbers 31: 17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

1.Yeah it's far worse than prostitution. Your LORD ordered a real massacre (unlike the false Lekki one) and they killed all males young and old and all females old and young who were non-virgins. Only the virgins were spared by the LORD for the warriors.

2. How did they know the virgins from the non-virgins?

3.So what do have to say to this vis a vis Boko Haram vs Chibok girls?

4. And what about Ruth's seduction in the Bible?

5. In Genesis 38, The Lord killed Onan for wasting sex cell and refusing to impregnate his dead brother's wife?

Is this fornication or adultery too from the LORD? Or was it just a temporary law?

6. Why did the Lord kill Onan above but spared his father who slept with his son's wife impregnating her?

Lastly, Allah knows all things and has written them since His knowledge encompasses all things.

Isn't your Lord all knowing? Does He know all that will happen? And by Him all things happen.

I doubt if you even read your books wholistically!

AntiChristian:


You haven't finish one argument. Don't run away to another! You have to answer this questions. At least the temporary marriage was abrogated. And it was at a time when the state was in transition.


Numbers 31: 17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

1.Yeah it's far worse than prostitution. Your LORD ordered a real massacre (unlike the false Lekki one) and they killed all males young and old and all females old and young who were non-virgins. Only the virgins were spared by the LORD for the warriors.

2. How did they know the virgins from the non-virgins?

3.So what do have to say to this vis a vis Boko Haram vs Chibok girls?

4. And what about Ruth's seduction in the Bible?

5. In Genesis 38, The Lord killed Onan for wasting sex cell and refusing to impregnate his dead brother's wife?

Is this fornication or adultery too from the LORD? Or was it just a temporary law?

6. Why did the Lord kill Onan above but spared his father who slept with his son's wife impregnating her?

Lastly, Allah knows all things and has written them since His knowledge encompasses all things.

Isn't your Lord all knowing? Does He know all that will happen? And by Him all things happen.

I doubt if you even read your books wholistically!

You lack spiritual and simple earthly understanding .

Stop digressing . The Biblical account you gave is not about prostitution neither is it an act of wickedness . Vengiance is not act of wickedness :
Numbers 31:1-2 KJV
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, [2] AVENGE the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.

Your god knows nothing and he is powerless and evil. Allah did not create anything.

You claim you Allah knows all things . Why couldn't he exonerate Muhammad when he was accused of stealing :

Allah SWT said:

وَمَا كَانَ لِنَبِىٍّ أَنْ يَغُلَّ ۚ وَمَنْ يَغْلُلْ يَأْتِ بِمَا غَلَّ يَوْمَ الْقِيٰمَةِ ۚ ثُمَّ تُوَفّٰى كُلُّ نَفْسٍ مَّا كَسَبَتْ وَهُمْ لَا يُظْلَمُونَ
"It is not [attributable] to any prophet that he would act unfaithfully [in regard to war booty]. And whoever betrays, [taking unlawfully], will come with what he took on the Day of Resurrection. Then will every soul be [fully] compensated for what it earned, and they will not be wronged."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 161)

THE ALL KNOWING GOD IS JEHOVAH NOT allah ;

But the God that knows all things and could divide an ocean ( the Red Sea ) because He is the Creator revealed a thief to Joshua when something was stolen :

Joshua 7:22-23 KJV
So Joshua sent messengers, and they ran unto the tent; and, behold, it was hid in his tent, and the silver under it. [23] And they took them out of the midst of the tent, and brought them unto Joshua, and unto all the children of Israel, and laid them out before the Lord.


I don't want you to stylishly digress from issue of prostitution .
You cannot see it anywhere in the Bible where our God approved of adultery not to talk of PROSTITUTIONS .

YOU god IS A FILTHY GOD WHO WANTS YOU TO SIN AND TAKE YOU TO HELL .

THE QUESTION ASKED BY THE OP IS SO CRUDE AND LUDICROUS IT SHOULDN'T HAVE ATTRACTED ANY WORTHY RESPONSE EXCEPT FROM PAID GOONS LIKE HIMSELF.

ANTICHRISTIAN HAS DONE A GOOD JOB THOUGH RESPONDING TO SOME OF THEIR SILLINESS BUT IT'S CLEAR SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCES WON'T CURE THEIR MALAISE SO LET'S SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN REALITY.

THERE ARE ABOUT 15 COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD WHERE PROSTITUTION IS LEGAL. NEARLY ALL OF THEM ARE WESTERN COUNTRIES WITH JUDEO-CHRISTIAN BACKGROUNDS

THESE SAME COUNTRIES TAKE THE MEDAL WHEN IT COMES THE MOST PROMISCUOUS COUNTRIES ON EARTH.

ABOUT 60 PERCENT OF ICELANDIC CHILDREN ARE BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK

IF YOU'RE GAY AND WISH TO WED YOUR PARTNER IN A PLACE OF WORSHIP, CHURCHES IN THE WEST (and elsewhere) WILL WELCOME YOU WITH GLEE AND GIVE YOU A MEMORABLE WEDDING EXPERIENCE.

DENMARK HASN'T ONLY LEGALIZED PROSTITUTION, IT PAYS PROSTITUTES (with state funds), TO SLEEP WITH PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AS PART OF ITS WELFARIST POLICIES

THE QUESTION YOU SHOULD ASK RATHER, IS WHY THESE COUNTRIES WHICH HAVE CHRISTIAN BACKGROUNDS, ARE THE ONES "OBEYING THE QURAN" AND LEGALIZING PROSTITUTION AND GAY MARRIAGE RATHER THAN MUSLIM COUNTRIES WHERE PROSTITUTION IS OUTRIGHLY BANNED?

AntiChristian:
The basic principle concerning marriage is that it should be ongoing and permanent. Temporary marriage – i.e., mut’ah marriage – was permitted at the beginning of Islam, then it was abrogated and became haraam until the Day of Judgement.

It was narrated from ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade mut’ah marriage and the meat of domestic donkeys at the time of Khaybar. According to another report, he forbade mut’ah marriage at the time of Khaybar and he forbade the meat of tame donkeys.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3979; Muslim, 1407.

It was narrated from al-Rabee’ ibn Sabrah al-Juhani that his father told him that he was with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) who said, “O people, I used to allow you to engage in mut’ah marriages, but now Allaah has forbidden that until the Day of Resurrection[b][/b], so whoever has any wives in a mut’ah marriage, he should let her go and do not take anything of the (money) you have given them.”

Narrated by Muslim, 1406.

So after the day of resurrection Nika muta will be restarted? Why will Allah institute Nika muta, cancel it and reinstate the practice after the day of resurrection?

motayoayinde:
THE QUESTION ASKED BY THE OP IS SO....

THE QUESTION YOU SHOULD ASK RATHER, IS WHY THESE COUNTRIES WHICH HAVE CHRISTIAN BACKGROUNDS, ARE THE ONES "OBEYING THE QURAN" AND LEGALIZING PROSTITUTION AND GAY MARRIAGE RATHER THAN MUSLIM COUNTRIES WHERE PROSTITUTION IS OUTRIGHLY BANNED.

You just admitted that you are a GOON because the thread attracted you.
As for me , I am not one neither those who saw reason to deliberate on the issue since this is about where to spend your eternity.

As per you question ,
INDONESIA IS ONE OF THEM :


Indonesia is the largest Islam country in the world that has the biggest number of Muslims among other countries in the world. Hence this is the reason of the local governments, the governor of East Java Province and the mayor of Surabaya, to close the red-light areas. The purpose of this research is to know how the women became sex-workers in the biggest number of Muslims in the world. We observed and interviewed 20 informants of sex workers and former sex-workers; the Head of Local Health Center, NGO in those areas, and midwives. The data that had been collected were classified into themes. While being analyzed, the report was written and being classified. The results show that although the nation vows that every individual in this country has a religion, and mostly are Muslims, but prostitution is difficult to inhibit. We found many reasons that have made the women fell into the world of prostitution in this area of East Java. After the closing of the red-areas we found that they have secretly continue doing their job because they do not have other skills that can make as much as money that they earned as sex-workers. We conclude that the purpose to preserve a good religious environment by closing the red-areas cannot be realized. The closing of the red-areas has brought new problems because the spread of HIV/AID and sexually transmitted disease are more difficult to control.


Full Text: PDF DOI:10.5539/ass.v13n6p3

The god of the Quran approves of it , but the God of the Bible forbids it and forbids homosexuality .
Are these countries , you mentioned above , ruled by Bible or human made laws ?

Why would a holy God approves of adultery & said HE WANTS YOU TO COMMIT SINS INCLUDING ADULTERY ?

Hadith

حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا مَعْمَرٌ، عَنْ جَعْفَرٍ الْجَزَرِيِّ، عَنْ يَزِيدَ بْنِ الأَصَمِّ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏

‏ وَالَّذِي نَفْسِي بِيَدِهِ لَوْ لَمْ تُذْنِبُوا لَذَهَبَ اللَّهُ بِكُمْ وَلَجَاءَ بِقَوْمٍ يُذْنِبُونَ فَيَسْتَغْفِرُونَ اللَّهَ فَيَغْفِرُ لَهُمْ ‏"

‏ ‏‏

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:

By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.

Sahih Muslim 2749
In-book : Book 50, Hadith 13
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 37, Hadith 6622  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim


Hadith

حَدَّثَنَا مَحْمُودُ بْنُ غَيْلاَنَ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو دَاوُدَ، أَخْبَرَنَا شُعْبَةُ، عَنْ حَبِيبِ بْنِ أَبِي ثَابِتٍ، وَعَبْدِ الْعَزِيزِ بْنِ رُفَيْعٍ، وَالأَعْمَشِ، كُلُّهُمْ سَمِعُوا زَيْدَ بْنَ وَهْبٍ، عَنْ أَبِي ذَرٍّ، أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏‏ أَتَانِي جِبْرِيلُ فَبَشَّرَنِي فَأَخْبَرَنِي أَنَّهُ مَنْ مَاتَ لاَ يُشْرِكُ بِاللَّهِ شَيْئًا دَخَلَ الْجَنَّةَ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قُلْتُ وَإِنْ زَنَى وَإِنْ سَرَقَ قَالَ ‏"‏ نَعَمْ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى هَذَا حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ صَحِيحٌ ‏.‏ وَفِي الْبَابِ عَنْ أَبِي الدَّرْدَاءِ ‏.‏"

Narrated Abu Dharr:

that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Jibril came to me and gave me glad tidings, that whoever dies without associating anything with Allah, then he will enter Paradise. I said: "Even if he commits adultery and theft?" He said: "Yes."

Sahih (Darussalam)

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2644
In-book : Book 40, Hadith 39
English translation : Vol. 5, Book 38, Hadith 2644
Jamiat Tirmidhi

enilove:


You just admitted that you are a GOON because the thread attracted you.
As for me , I am not one neither those who saw reason to deliberate on the issue since this is about where to spend your eternity.

As per you question ,
INDONESIA IS ONE OF THEM :


Indonesia is the largest Islam country in the world that has the biggest number of Muslims among other countries in the world. Hence this is the reason of the local governments, the governor of East Java Province and the mayor of Surabaya, to close the red-light areas. The purpose of this research is to know how the women became sex-workers in the biggest number of Muslims in the world. We observed and interviewed 20 informants of sex workers and former sex-workers; the Head of Local Health Center, NGO in those areas, and midwives. The data that had been collected were classified into themes. While being analyzed, the report was written and being classified. The results show that although the nation vows that every individual in this country has a religion, and mostly are Muslims, but prostitution is difficult to inhibit. We found many reasons that have made the women fell into the world of prostitution in this area of East Java. After the closing of the red-areas we found that they have secretly continue doing their job because they do not have other skills that can make as much as money that they earned as sex-workers. We conclude that the purpose to preserve a good religious environment by closing the red-areas cannot be realized. The closing of the red-areas has brought new problems because the spread of HIV/AID and sexually transmitted disease are more difficult to control.


Full Text: PDF DOI:10.5539/ass.v13n6p3

The god of the Quran approves of it , but the God of the Bible forbids it and forbids homosexuality .
Are these countries , you mentioned above , ruled by Bible or human made laws ?

Why would a holy God approves of adultery & said HE WANTS YOU TO COMMIT SINS INCLUDING ADULTERY ?

Hadith

حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا مَعْمَرٌ، عَنْ جَعْفَرٍ الْجَزَرِيِّ، عَنْ يَزِيدَ بْنِ الأَصَمِّ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏

‏ وَالَّذِي نَفْسِي بِيَدِهِ لَوْ لَمْ تُذْنِبُوا لَذَهَبَ اللَّهُ بِكُمْ وَلَجَاءَ بِقَوْمٍ يُذْنِبُونَ فَيَسْتَغْفِرُونَ اللَّهَ فَيَغْفِرُ لَهُمْ ‏"

‏ ‏‏

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:

By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.

Sahih Muslim 2749
In-book : Book 50, Hadith 13
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 37, Hadith 6622  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim


Hadith

حَدَّثَنَا مَحْمُودُ بْنُ غَيْلاَنَ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو دَاوُدَ، أَخْبَرَنَا شُعْبَةُ، عَنْ حَبِيبِ بْنِ أَبِي ثَابِتٍ، وَعَبْدِ الْعَزِيزِ بْنِ رُفَيْعٍ، وَالأَعْمَشِ، كُلُّهُمْ سَمِعُوا زَيْدَ بْنَ وَهْبٍ، عَنْ أَبِي ذَرٍّ، أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏‏ أَتَانِي جِبْرِيلُ فَبَشَّرَنِي فَأَخْبَرَنِي أَنَّهُ مَنْ مَاتَ لاَ يُشْرِكُ بِاللَّهِ شَيْئًا دَخَلَ الْجَنَّةَ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قُلْتُ وَإِنْ زَنَى وَإِنْ سَرَقَ قَالَ ‏"‏ نَعَمْ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى هَذَا حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ صَحِيحٌ ‏.‏ وَفِي الْبَابِ عَنْ أَبِي الدَّرْدَاءِ ‏.‏"

Narrated Abu Dharr:

that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Jibril came to me and gave me glad tidings, that whoever dies without associating anything with Allah, then he will enter Paradise. I said: "Even if he commits adultery and theft?" He said: "Yes."

Sahih (Darussalam)

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2644
In-book : Book 40, Hadith 39
English translation : Vol. 5, Book 38, Hadith 2644
Jamiat Tirmidhi

THE MEANING OF THE LAST HADITH YOU QUOTED IS THAT WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT DIE WORSHIPPING A MAN, WOOD OR STONE.

IF YOU DIE WORSHIPPING ALLAH ALONE WHO HAS NO PARTNER ANYWHERE IN THE UNIVERSE, YOUR ABODE WILL EVENTUALLY BE THE GARDEN OF ETERNAL BLISS (paradise). YOUR SINS (whatever they may be), WILL ALSO BE FORGIVEN EVENTUALLY OUT OF ALLAH'S MERCY.

THAT'S WHY YOU SHOULD NOT DIE WORSHIPPING THREE GODS RESIDING IN ONE GODHEAD.
IT'S IDOLATRY. IT'S THE REASON THE JEWS REJECT YOUR CLAIM OF WORSHIPPING SAME GOD WITH THEM.

THERE ARE PROSTITUTES IN INDONESIA. BUT HAS INDONESIA LEGALIZED PROSTITUTION THE WAY YOUR FATHERS FROM EUROPE WHO BROUGHT YOU THE RELIGION HAVE?

READ THE ARTICLE YOU POSTED AGAIN, IT SAYS THE GOVERNMENT IS CLOSING DOWN THE RED LIGHT AREAS, TRYING TO CURB THE MENACE.
YOUR PEOPLE ARE GIVING LIFE TO THEIR TRADE, MAKING FILMS OF IT, EXPORTING TO ALL PARTS OF THE WORLD FOR CASH, SOME OF WHICH THEY FUND THE "EVANGELICAL WORKS"
OF THIRD WORLD ZEALOTS LIKE YOU WITH.

motayoayinde:


THE MEANING OF THE LAST HADITH YOU QUOTED IS THAT WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT DIE WORSHIPPING A MAN, WOOD OR STONE.

IF YOU DIE WORSHIPPING ALLAH ALONE WHO HAS NO PARTNER ANYWHERE IN THE UNIVERSE, YOUR ABODE WILL EVENTUALLY BE THE GARDEN OF ETERNAL BLISS (paradise). YOUR SINS (whatever they may be), WILL ALSO BE FORGIVEN EVENTUALLY OUT

THERE ARE PROSTITUTES IN INDONESIA. BUT HAS INDONESIA LEGALIZED PROSTITUTION THE WAY YOUR FATHERS FROM EUROPE WHO BROUGHT YOU THE RELIGION HAVE?

READ THE ARTICLE YOU POSTED AGAIN, IT SAYS THE GOVERNMENT IS CLOSING DOWN THE RED LIGHT AREAS, TRYING TO CURB THE MENACE.
YOUR PEOPLE ARE GIVING LIFE TO THEIR TRADE, MAKING FILMS OF IT, EXPORTING TO ALL PARTS OF THE WORLD FOR CASH, SOME OF WHICH THEY FUND THE "EVANGELICAL WORKS"
OF THIRD WORLD ZEALOTS LIKE YOU WITH.

You should just take your time and pray , not to Allah nor Jesus .
If you want to know what Allah is , just pray to your Creator without mentioning name of any God.

You said the hadith is about not worshipping anything beside God , isn't it :
What is the meaning of this :

Hadith

Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:

"`Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet (ﷺ) touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' `Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet (ﷺ) did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).'

Sahih al-Bukhari 1605
In-book : Book 25, Hadith 91
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 2, Book 26, Hadith 675  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Hadith

Narrated Nafi`:

Ibn `Umar. said, "I have never missed the touching of these two stones of Ka`ba (the Black Stone and the Yemenite Corner) both in the presence and the absence of crowds, since I saw the Prophet (ﷺ) touching them." I asked Nafi`: "Did Ibn `Umar use to walk between the two Corners?" Nafi` replied, "He used to walk in order that it might be easy for him to touch it (the Corner Stone)."

Sahih al-Bukhari 1606
In-book : Book 25, Hadith 92
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 2, Book 26, Hadith 676  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Is this not about stone worshipping . This was the practice of the idolater b4 Muhammad which Islam maintains.

MUHAMMAD SAID TOUCHING OF STONES ERASES SINS :

Hadith

It was narrated from Abdullah bin Ubaid bin Umair that a man said:

"O Abu abdur-Rahman, why do I only see you touching these two corners?" He said: "I heard the Messenger of Allah say: 'Touching them erases sins.' And I head him say: 'whoever circumambulates seven times, it is like freeing a slave.'"

Hasan (Darussalam)

Sunan an-Nasa'i 2919
In-book : Book 24, Hadith 0
English translation : Vol. 3, Book 24, Hadith 2922
Sunan an-Nasai

Is it not God that can forgive sins ? How can touching of stone make God to forgive you of your sins when you have not repented and forsake the sins ?.

THEIR LINEAGE WERE STONE WORSHIPPERS :

Hadith

Narrated Abu Raja Al-Utaridi:

We used to worship stones, and when we found a better stone than the first one, we would throw the first one and take the latter, but if we could not get a stone then we would collect some earth (i.e. soil) and then bring a sheep and milk that sheep over it, and perform the Tawaf around it. When the month of Rajab came, we used (to stop the military actions), calling this month the iron remover, for we used to remove and throw away the iron parts of every spear and arrow in the month of Rajab. Abu Raja' added: When the Prophet (ﷺ) sent with (Allah's) Message, I was a boy working as a shepherd of my family camels. When we heard the news about the appearance of the Prophet, we ran to the fire, i.e. to Musailima al-Kadhdhab.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4376, 4377
In-book : Book 64, Hadith 401
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 5, Book 59, Hadith 661  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Jesus and his Father are one . When you worship Jesus , you are worshipping the Father as well.

When you obey the vice president , you obey the president as one .

You can have access to God directly because of your sins. You must first be cleansed of your sins through the blood of Jesus Christ b4 God the Father can answer you.

1 Timothy 2:5 KJV
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth.
As a result, Islam has used this to present varying positions of issues at any point in time to deceive people.

Antichristian and motayoayinde are doing the same thing here. How the adherents of this religion can live with the conflicting and contradictory positions of their religion really goes to show how gullible man can be.

The double faced nature of the religion should ordinarily be a red flag for anyone. But when an individual's nature aligns with such an ideology, he or she finds it easy to BUY the dummy of Islam hook line and sinker.

Why should Allah not have a clear position on issues? For example, Islam says that Allah is the only one to be believed in and no other BUT you cannot be a Moslem unless you also believe in Mohamed. So, to be a Moslem you MUST associate Mohamed with Allah. Yet this does not strike the average Moslem as odd.

Ask him if the previous prophets before Mohamed had to say a shahada that included Mohamed and he might agree that they didn't have to. Then why do we have to include Mohamed now? The answer now goes to "Allah knows best". They just don't know. They simply have to accept it no matter how illogical it is. That is Islam.

sagenaija:
Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth.
As a result, Islam has used this to present varying positions of issues at any point in time to deceive people.

Antichristian and motayoayinde are doing the same thing here. How the adherents of this religion can live with the conflicting and contradictory positions of their religion really goes to show how gullible man can be.

The double faced nature of the religion should ordinarily be a red flag for anyone. But when an individual's nature aligns with such an ideology, he or she finds it easy to BUY the dummy of Islam hook line and sinker.

Why should Allah not have a clear position on issues? For example, Islam says that Allah is the only one to be believed in and no other BUT you cannot be a Moslem unless you also believe in Mohamed. So, to be a Moslem you MUST associate Mohamed with Allah. Yet this does not strike the average Moslem as odd.

Ask him if the previous prophets before Mohamed had to say a shahada that included Mohamed and he might agree that they didn't have to. Then why do we have to include Mohamed now? The answer now goes to "Allah knows best". They just don't know. They simply have to accept it no matter how illogical it is. That is Islam.

What is there to add ? You have really summarized their problems .

As you said , Muhammad is god in Islam :

Hadith

Narrated Abu Sa`id bin Al-Mu'alla:

While I was praying, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) passed me and called me, but I did not go to him until I had finished the prayer. Then I went to him, and he said, "What prevented you from coming to me? Didn't Allah say:-- "O you who believe! Answer the call of Allah (by obeying Him) and His Apostle when He calls you?" He then said, "I will inform you of the greatest Sura in the Qur'an before I leave (the mosque)." When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) got ready to leave (the mosque), I reminded him. He said, "It is: 'Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds.' (i.e. Surat-al-Fatiha) As-sab'a Al-Mathani (the seven repeatedly recited Verses).

Sahih al-Bukhari
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 170
Arabic : Book 65, Hadith 4647
Sahih Bukhari

Hadith

Narrated Aws ibn Aws:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said: Among the most excellent of your days is Friday; on it Adam was created, on it he died, on it the last trumpet will be blown, and on it the shout will be made, so invoke more blessings on me that day, for your blessings will be submitted to me. The people asked: Messenger of Allah, how can it be that our blessings will be submitted to you while your body is decayed? He replied: Allah, the Exalted, has prohibited the earth from consuming the bodies of Prophets.

Sahih (Al-Albani)

Sunan Abi Dawud 1047
In-book : Book 2, Hadith 658
English translation : Book 3, Hadith 1042
Abu Dawood

He was a real deceiver.

true2god:
So after the day of resurrection Nika muta will be restarted? Why will Allah institute Nika muta, cancel it and reinstate the practice after the day of resurrection?

Same reason Yahweh permitted fornication at the beginning of the Bible, then forbid it later only to permit it again and then forbid it.

AntiChristian:


Same reason Yahweh permitted fornication at the beginning of the Bible, then forbid it later only to permit it again and then forbid it.

Show proof

All Muhammad knew and wanted was sex and sex upon sex
Why ?

Hadith

Jabir reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saw a woman, and so he came to his wife, Zainab, as she was tanning a leather and had sexual intercourse with her. He then went to his Companions and told them:

The woman advances and retires in the shape of a devil, so when one of you sees a woman, he should come to his wife, for that will repel what he feels in his heart.

Sahih Muslim 1403 a
In-book : Book 16, Hadith 10
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 8, Hadith 3240  (deprecated)
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Someone gave him an award of SAW - SEX AWARD WINNER

Narrated Qatada:

Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet (ﷺ) used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet (ﷺ) the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet (ﷺ) was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa`id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).

Sahih al-Bukhari 268
In-book : Book 5, Hadith 21
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 1, Book 5, Hadith 268  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

How and why you people should heep on believing salvation in Islam is worrisome.

May God deliver you all , in Jesus' name

sagenaija:
Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth.
As a result, Islam has used this to present varying positions of issues at any point in time to deceive people.

Antichristian and motayoayinde are doing the same thing here. How the adherents of this religion can live with the conflicting and contradictory positions of their religion really goes to show how gullible man can be.

The double faced nature of the religion should ordinarily be a red flag for anyone. But when an individual's nature aligns with such an ideology, he or she finds it easy to BUY the dummy of Islam hook line and sinker.

Why should Allah not have a clear position on issues? For example, Islam says that Allah is the only one to be believed in and no other BUT you cannot be a Moslem unless you also believe in Mohamed. So, to be a Moslem you MUST associate Mohamed with Allah. Yet this does not strike the average Moslem as odd.

Ask him if the previous prophets before Mohamed had to say a shahada that included Mohamed and he might agree that they didn't have to. Then why do we have to include Mohamed now? The answer now goes to "Allah knows best". They just don't know. They simply have to accept it no matter how illogical it is. That is Islam.

ANYONE WHO SAYS ISLAM PRESENTS CONTRADICTORY POSITIONS ON ISSUES SHOULD PLEASE TRY CHRISTIANITY.

A RELIGION IN WHICH OPINIONS DIFFER RADICALLY ON ALL ISSUES.
FROM THE FUNDAMENTALS TO THE TRIVIALS

LAST SUNDAY, AN ARGUMENT ENSUED ABOUT THE NATURE OF JESUS. IT WAS SO BITTER IT RAN INTO SEVERAL PAGES
WITH CHRISTIANS NOT ABLE TO AGREE ON THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL OF THEIR FAITH.

ON WHAT EXACTLY DOES CHRISTIANITY OFFER A UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED POSITION AMONG CHRISTIANS.

JUST READ THEIR POSTS ON SUNDAYS AND WATCH THE BATTLE OF INDIVIDUALLY SPURN DOCTRINES.

YOU'LL THEN SEE THAT THERE ARE AS MANY CHRISTIANITIES AS THERE ARE CHRISTIANS.

enilove:


You should just take your time and pray , not to Allah nor Jesus .
If you want to know what Allah is , just pray to your Creator without mentioning name of any God.

You said the hadith is about not worshipping anything beside God , isn't it :
What is the meaning of this :

Hadith

Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:

"`Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet (ﷺ) touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' `Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet (ﷺ) did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).'

Sahih al-Bukhari 1605
In-book : Book 25, Hadith 91
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 2, Book 26, Hadith 675  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Hadith

Narrated Nafi`:

Ibn `Umar. said, "I have never missed the touching of these two stones of Ka`ba (the Black Stone and the Yemenite Corner) both in the presence and the absence of crowds, since I saw the Prophet (ﷺ) touching them." I asked Nafi`: "Did Ibn `Umar use to walk between the two Corners?" Nafi` replied, "He used to walk in order that it might be easy for him to touch it (the Corner Stone)."

Sahih al-Bukhari 1606
In-book : Book 25, Hadith 92
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 2, Book 26, Hadith 676  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Is this not about stone worshipping . This was the practice of the idolater b4 Muhammad which Islam maintains.

MUHAMMAD SAID TOUCHING OF STONES ERASES SINS :

Hadith

It was narrated from Abdullah bin Ubaid bin Umair that a man said:

"O Abu abdur-Rahman, why do I only see you touching these two corners?" He said: "I heard the Messenger of Allah say: 'Touching them erases sins.' And I head him say: 'whoever circumambulates seven times, it is like freeing a slave.'"

Hasan (Darussalam)

Sunan an-Nasa'i 2919
In-book : Book 24, Hadith 0
English translation : Vol. 3, Book 24, Hadith 2922
Sunan an-Nasai

Is it not God that can forgive sins ? How can touching of stone make God to forgive you of your sins when you have not repented and forsake the sins ?.

THEIR LINEAGE WERE STONE WORSHIPPERS :

Hadith

Narrated Abu Raja Al-Utaridi:

We used to worship stones, and when we found a better stone than the first one, we would throw the first one and take the latter, but if we could not get a stone then we would collect some earth (i.e. soil) and then bring a sheep and milk that sheep over it, and perform the Tawaf around it. When the month of Rajab came, we used (to stop the military actions), calling this month the iron remover, for we used to remove and throw away the iron parts of every spear and arrow in the month of Rajab. Abu Raja' added: When the Prophet (ﷺ) sent with (Allah's) Message, I was a boy working as a shepherd of my family camels. When we heard the news about the appearance of the Prophet, we ran to the fire, i.e. to Musailima al-Kadhdhab.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4376, 4377
In-book : Book 64, Hadith 401
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 5, Book 59, Hadith 661  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Jesus and his Father are one . When you worship Jesus , you are worshipping the Father as well.

When you obey the vice president , you obey the president as one .

You can have access to God directly because of your sins. You must first be cleansed of your sins through the blood of Jesus Christ b4 God the Father can answer you.

1 Timothy 2:5 KJV
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

THE BLACK STONE HAS NEVER BEEN AN OBJECT OF WORSHIP IN ISLAM.
THE HADITH OF UMAR THAT YOU QUOTED CONFIRMS THAT.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THOSE WHO WORSHIP IDOLS VISIT THE HINDU TEMPLES, BHUDDIST TEMPLES AND MOST CHRISTIAN CHURCHES.
THERE YOU'LL FIND THEIR OBJECTS OF WORSHIP.
YOU'LL FIND NONE IN THE MOSQUES

NONE AROUND THE WORLD, THIS IS A CHALLENGE.

motayoayinde:


THE BLACK STONE HAS NEVER BEEN AN OBJECT OF WORSHIP IN ISLAM.
THE HADITH OF UMAR THAT YOU QUOTED CONFIRMS THAT.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THOSE WHO WORSHIP IDOLS VISIT THE HINDU TEMPLES, BHUDDIST TEMPLES AND MOST CHRISTIAN CHURCHES.
THERE YOU'LL FIND THEIR OBJECTS OF WORSHIP.
YOU'LL FIND NONE IN THE MOSQUES

NONE AROUND THE WORLD, THIS IS A CHALLENGE.

Do you know more than the Arabian ancestors who had been worshipping stones for ages ?

Are you saying the black stone was only implanted in the wall of the KAABAH for nothing? Why do people struggle to kiss it or point their hands to it when going round the KAABAH ?

You call that nothing ?

You claim the mosques do not contain any idol because you know little or nothing about Islam.

What about the crescent moon and the star symbols placed at the topmost part of the mosques ?
Is that not the symbol of Islam globally ?

Why ? Are you hearing for the first time that people worship the moon and the stars as their gods ?

God warned us against such but Allah did not warn the Muslims :

Deuteronomy 4:19 KJV
And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the Lord thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

Is that not a sin b4 God to bow down to them as you do in mosques every day ?

I attend MFM , we don't have pictures or images of anyone there , because we know the commandments of God .

Some churches have them but not my church. Those that have them are also idol worshippers.

enilove:


Do you know more than the Arabian ancestors who had been worshipping stones for ages ?

Are you saying the black stone was only implanted in the wall of the KAABAH for nothing? Why do people struggle to kiss it or point their hands to it when going round the KAABAH ?

You call that nothing ?

You claim the mosques do not contain any idol because you know little or nothing about Islam.

What about the crescent moon and the star symbols placed at the topmost part of the mosques ?
Is that not the symbol of Islam globally ?

Why ? Are you hearing for the first time that people worship the moon and the stars as their gods ?

God warned us against such but Allah did not warn the Muslims :

Deuteronomy 4:19 KJV
And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the Lord thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

Is that not a sin b4 God to bow down to them as you do in mosques every day ?

I attend MFM , we don't have pictures or images of anyone there , because we know the commandments of God .

Some churches have them but not my church. Those that have them are also idol worshippers.

OK THOSE CHRISTIAN S WITH IDOLS IN THEIR CHURCHES ARE ALSO IDOL WORSHIPPERS. GOOD.

THIS MAKES MORE THAN 70 PERCENT OF CHRISTIANS IDOLATERS.

CATHOLICS AND ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS MAKE UP THIS STAGGERING NUMBER IN YOUR FAITH.

THIS FIGURE IN REAL TERMS IS WELL OVER A BILLION PEOPLE.

WHY WASTE YOUR TIME IN VAIN OVER MUSLIMS WHO HAVE NO IDOLS IN THEIR MOSQUES WHEN BILLIONS OF YOUR PEOPLE WALLOW IN IDOL WORSHIP.
THIS IS APART FROM THE CANCER OF ATHEISM EATING UP YOUR RELIGION

THIS MAKES YOU A HYPOCRITE AND AN ISLAMOPHOBE.

SPEND YOUR TIME TACKLING THE MYRIAD OF PROBLEMS THREATENING CHRISTIANDOM.

STOP WASTING YOUR TIME.

enilove:
All Muhammad knew and wanted was sex and sex upon sex
Why ?

Hadith

Jabir reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saw a woman, and so he came to his wife, Zainab, as she was tanning a leather and had sexual intercourse with her. He then went to his Companions and told them:

The woman advances and retires in the shape of a devil, so when one of you sees a woman, he should come to his wife, for that will repel what he feels in his heart.

Sahih Muslim 1403 a
In-book : Book 16, Hadith 10
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 8, Hadith 3240  (deprecated)
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Someone gave him an award of SAW - SEX AWARD WINNER

Narrated Qatada:

Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet (ﷺ) used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet (ﷺ) the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet (ﷺ) was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa`id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).

Sahih al-Bukhari 268
In-book : Book 5, Hadith 21
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 1, Book 5, Hadith 268  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

How and why you people should heep on believing salvation in Islam is worrisome.

May God deliver you all , in Jesus' name

MUHAMMAD (saw) WAS A PROPHET JUST LIKE PROPHETS SOLOMON AND DAVID BOTH OF WHOM CHRISTIANS IDOLIZE.
HOW DO YOU THINK THEY HANDLED THEIR NUMEROUS WIVES AND CONCUBINES?

MUHAMMAD (saw) HAD 13 WIVES HOW DOES HE COME CLOSE TO SOLOMON'S 1000 WIVES AND CONCUBINES?

MUHAMMAD SAW A WOMAN AND QUICKLY WENT HOME TO HIS WIFE
BUT DAVID, ACCORDING TO YOUR BOOK SAW A WOMAN (uriel's wife) AND LAID HER, IMPREGNATED HER AND GOT HER HUSBAND KILLED.

DOESN'T MUHAMMAD DESERVE YOUR COMMENDATION RATHER THAN HATE INSPIRED INSULTS?

YOU'RE AN ISLAMOPHOBE.

motayoayinde:


OK THOSE CHRISTIAN S WITH IDOLS IN THEIR CHURCHES ARE ALSO IDOL WORSHIPPERS. GOOD.

THIS MAKES MORE THAN 70 PERCENT OF CHRISTIANS IDOLATERS.

CATHOLICS AND ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS MAKE UP THIS STAGGERING NUMBER IN YOUR FAITH.

THIS FIGURE IN REAL TERMS IS WELL OVER A BILLION PEOPLE.

WHY WASTE YOUR TIME IN VAIN OVER MUSLIMS WHO HAVE NO IDOLS IN THEIR MOSQUES WHEN BILLIONS OF YOUR PEOPLE WALLOW IN IDOL WORSHIP.
THIS IS APART FROM THE CANCER OF ATHEISM EATING UP YOUR RELIGION

THIS MAKES YOU A HYPOCRITE AND AN ISLAMOPHOBE.

SPEND YOUR TIME TACKLING THE MYRIAD OF PROBLEMS THREATENING CHRISTIANDOM.

STOP WASTING YOUR TIME.

You are actually right with regard to the percentage of idol worshippers in Christianity .To be frank , I think the percentage should be a little higher.

You don't have to call me names, after all , I told you the truth..Next time you ask why .

I don't bother about other Christians since they have the Bible with them.
I hardly argue with Christians since God will judge us by His word.

Jesus said :
Matthew 7:21 KJV
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

To buttress your point about the FEW CHRUSTUANS :

Matthew 7:13-14 KJV
Enter ye in at the strait ( tiny ) gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and MANY there be which go in thereat: [14] Because strait ( Tight ) is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it.

Christianity is about holiness unlike Islam :
1 Peter 3:12 KJV
For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

Hebrews 12:14 KJV
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Every thing a Christian needs to know to make heaven is to read the Bible.

I am bothered more about Muslims because they are sincerely ignorantly following the wrong road .

Am telling you the truth.
All you need to do is ask your Creator to show you which one is the way.
Just try it tonight b4 bedtime.

motayoayinde:


MUHAMMAD (saw) HAD 13 WIVES HOW DOES HE COME CLOSE TO SOLOMON'S 1000 WIVES AND CONCUBINES?

MUHAMMAD SAW A WOMAN AND QUICKLY WENT HOME TO HIS WIFE
BUT DAVID, ACCORDING TO YOUR BOOK SAW A WOMAN (uriel's wife) AND LAID HER, IMPREGNATED HER AND GOT HER HUSBAND KILLED.

DOESN'T MUHAMMAD DESERVE YOUR COMMENDATION RATHER THAN HATE INSPIRED INSULTS?

YOU'RE AN ISLAMOPHOBE.

Did God instruct David to do that evil ? No.

2 Samuel 12:5-14 KJV
And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the Lord liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die: [6] And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity. [7] And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul; [8] And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things. [9] Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon. [10] Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife. [11] Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. [12] For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun. [13] And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die. [14] Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

God did not tell us to follow the footsteps of Solomon .
I don't think Solomon would make heaven . Why did I say this. God warned the kings of Israel against marrying more than one wife :

Deuteronomy 17:17-19 KJV
Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold. [18] And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book out of that which is before the priests the Levites: [19] And it shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of his life: that he may learn to fear the Lord his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them:

1 Kings 11:4-6 KJV
For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the Lord his God, as was the heart of David his father. [5] For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. [6] And Solomon did evil in the sight of the Lord, and went not fully after the Lord, as did David his father.

MUHAMMAD WAS NOT A PROPHET OF GOD BUT OF SATAN. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.

GOD DID NOT TELL US TO FOLLOW ANY PROPHET BUT HIS COMMANDMENTS .

DAVID AND SOLOMON DID NOT BRING ANY COMMANDMENT OR NEW LAWS.
THEY WERE KINGS WHOSE ACCOUNT THE BIBLE GAVE.

THERE MISTAKES ARE LESSONS FOR US .

BUT MUHAMMAD CAME WITH LAWS THAT CANNOT BE FROM A HOLY GOD.