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Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by BassReeves: 10:16am On Mar 01
Dtruthspeaker:
I have answered you to the effect that we say it is wrong because Nature, Immediately Points it out and Says this is Wrong, Just as it does to us when we see sex in public places or when we see a snake or sparking Transformer,

Our opposition is a result of Nature's Power over us.

Thus, it is Nature who opposes you using everything including us!
You have done nothing like answer what exactly is the evil, in acceptable, harmless, innocent and permissible homosexuality.
1. What is the exact evil nature allegedly points out?
2. Where did nature point out evil in acceptable, harmless, innocent and permissible homosexuality?
3. No decent and right thinking people have sex in public places, they might do PDA, but not have sex in full glare of the public, so what are you going on aimlessly about?

You are right that it is your opposition, as nature does not oppose same sex attraction, which is normal and natural in ecosystems and the biosphere.
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by Ayo13945(m): 10:22am On Mar 01
"The seed within man and woman is only intended for the sacred office of creating a body by which another Soul may come into physical embodiment. At all other times, the Glorious Light within the body should be raised into the top of the head and allowed to flow up in adoration unto the 'Mighty I AM
(GOD) Presence.' Then by uplifted thoughts and feeling, one can do creative work at the mental level through glorious ideas, ideals of art, music, invention, discovery, research, and the creation of beauty and harmony of every description through a Service that blesses humanity, and therefore the individual who gives it.

"Instead of wasting the wonderful Liquid Light, the Marvelous God-given Essence of Life, in sex sensation and excesses, whereby the body becomes decrepit, flabby, crippled, face lined, eyes dull, the whole structure stooped and feeble, the brain inactive, sight and hearing impaired, and the memory not able to function-this Energy should be rightly used in wonderful, idealistic Creative Activity.

"In such constructive consciousness and accomplishment, the physical body would remain eternally youthful and beautiful, the brain and faculties keen, alert, and active; and the whole physical expression would become the Image and Likeness of the living God-truly the 'Temple of the Most High!
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by BassReeves: 10:22am On Mar 01
Dtruthspeaker:
I do not think this question is for me for I have very clearly already said above that adultery, fornication, homosexuality, paedophilia and every form of immoral conduct is in the Class of Things which are Not-good even up to unending evil and none of them those things should be done.
You dont think the questions are for you, because you can see that it will open you up, will betray your ineptness, show your lack of aplomb and leave you subjected to ridicule.

Why are you not adding heterosexuality to the list, if you can add homosexuality? Doesnt adultery, fornication and paedophilia, not occur in heterosexuality, just as it can in homosexuality? This is what happens when you read the bible out of context and wrongly understand it
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by BassReeves: 10:26am On Mar 01
Ayo13945:
"The seed within man and woman is only intended for the sacred office of creating a body by which another Soul may come into physical embodiment. At all other times, the Glorious Light within the body should be raised into the top of the head and allowed to flow up in adoration unto the 'Mighty I AM
(GOD) Presence.' Then by uplifted thoughts and feeling, one can do creative work at the mental level through glorious ideas, ideals of art, music, invention, discovery, research, and the creation of beauty and harmony of every description through a Service that blesses humanity, and therefore the individual who gives it.

"Instead of wasting the wonderful Liquid Light, the Marvelous God-given Essence of Life, in sex sensation and excesses, whereby the body becomes decrepit, flabby, crippled, face lined, eyes dull, the whole structure stooped and feeble, the brain inactive, sight and hearing impaired, and the memory not able to function-this Energy should be rightly used in wonderful, idealistic Creative Activity.

"In such constructive consciousness and accomplishment, the physical body would remain eternally youthful and beautiful, the brain and faculties keen, alert, and active; and the whole physical expression would become the Image and Likeness of the living God-truly the 'Temple of the Most High!
Are you trying to suggest that homosexuals/lesbians dont possess creative work at the mental level through glorious ideas, ideals of art, music, invention, discovery, research, and the creation of beauty and harmony of every description through a Service that blesses humanity?
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:26am On Mar 01
Is there a man born by two homosexuals?
Is there a woman born by two lesbians?
If a man can't impregnate his fellowman and a woman can't impregnate a fellow woman then no one is born Gay!
There are shemales (persons having both organs) but that's a complication it's like a woman born without a virgina or man born impotent. God is not to be held responsible for the consequences of the sin of Adam and Eve! smiley
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by shadeyinka(m): 10:45am On Mar 01
BassReeves:
So many things are wrong with adultery.

To kick off or start with, it doesn't display, Galatians 5:22-23, fruit of the Holy Spirit. What is wrong with adultery, is the treachery, unfaithfulness, the lie, the cheating, the double dealing, the wickedness etc

Someone that possesses love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control will not do adultery and hurt his/her partner.

1 John 4:8
'Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.'

No, love, is not the same thing as sex/sexuality
- Love is God and vice versa. Love is a characteristic of God.
- Sex is a male or female sexual organ.
- Sexuality is about having sexual feeling or attraction to either the opposite sex, own sex or both the opposite sex and own sex
I am surprised you use the bible as the reference and source of morality for adultery and Kleptomaniac tendencies because the same bible is against homosexuality.

The same bible that speaks against beastiality speaks against homosexuality.
Lev 20:15:
"And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and you shall slay the beast."



Lev 20:13:
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."

Do you have an objection to Lev20:13? If this was a rape, why would the two be put to death?

A person with homosexual tendencies is sick and needs both psychotherapy and deliverance.
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by Ayo13945(m): 10:46am On Mar 01
First of all i am not a moralist; I am a pragmatist. I don't believe in good and bad; i only judge something based on its usefulness. So from my point of view sex is neither good or bad but it is only useful for one purpose and one purpose only and that is reproduction. It doesn't matter if 90% of humanity believe otherwise. If you doubt me ask yourself what other purpose could it have.
So from my own point of view both the Homosexualist,Heterosexualist and every other person that has sex without the aim of reproducing are in the same group.
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by Dtruthspeaker: 10:47am On Mar 01
BassReeves:
You have done nothing like answer what exactly is the evil, in acceptable, harmless, innocent and permissible homosexuality.
1. What is the exact evil nature allegedly points out?
2. Where did nature point out evil in acceptable, harmless, innocent and permissible homosexuality?
3. No decent and right thinking people have sex in public places, they might do PDA, but not have sex in full glare of the public, so what are you going on aimlessly about?

I have answered you but in exercise of your power, you do not wish to hear and neither can I or will I compell you to hear.

As a last attempt to explain to you using the things in nature which we all have agreeably called wrongs or evil., you yourself have just truly declared that "No decent and right thinking people have sex in public places,".

Thus, the same reason of Nature which makes you say this is Wrong, is the same hand of nature by which we say homosexuality is wrong.

BassReeves:

You are right that it is your opposition, as nature does not oppose same sex attraction, which is normal and natural in ecosystems and the biosphere.

Now you are Using Nature against Itself! (Not Wise).

Anyway, I never comment on this matters and I will never, after All it is the same Nature Who Made All things, that is Coming to Judge All the things He Created, For He has and knows the Blueprint/Redprint (as we use in Nigerian Survey plans).

All who claim Nature will present their explaination to their Creator, I have No Jurisdiction to Comment on these matters.
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by shadeyinka(m): 10:49am On Mar 01
BassReeves:
When you become unfaithful with it, when you mix it up with idolatry, when you prostitute with it etc then it becomes wrong

You are thief, taking without consent what belongs to another person. You are depriving that person of their property. It is not only just a wicked, evil without love thing to do, but you are also violating the 8th commandment that unequivocally states that thou should not be a kleptomaniac
Why would God order the execution of any two men having sex with each other?
Lev20:13
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by Dtruthspeaker: 10:59am On Mar 01
BassReeves:
You dont think the questions are for you, because you can see that it will open you up, will betray your ineptness, show your lack of aplomb and leave you subjected to ridicule.

Why are you not adding heterosexuality to the list, if you can add homosexuality? Doesnt adultery, fornication and paedophilia, not occur in heterosexuality, just as it can in homosexuality? This is what happens when you read the bible out of context and wrongly understand it

Thank you for the "blow below the belt!"

I have already said "All"!

All means All, whether sexual offences, thieving, murder, lying, bodily harming, forgery etc.

Ejusdem Generis, "All!

I always stand with and by my words/posts, and I can not be Moved!
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by BassReeves: 11:04am On Mar 01
shadeyinka:
I am surprised you use the bible as the reference and source of morality for adultery and Kleptomaniac tendencies because the same bible is against homosexuality
The same bible that you havent bothered to contextually read but instead opt to quote bible verse in isolation of the setting or background, is not against permissible and acceptable homosexuality

shadeyinka:
The same bible that speaks against beastiality speaks against homosexuality.
Lev 20:15:
"And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and you shall slay the beast."

Lev 20:13:
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."

Do you have an objection to Lev20:13?
I would have objection to anything associated with, linked with or related to idolatry practice and rituals

shadeyinka:
If this was a rape, why would the two be put to death?
It is because it is sexual assault on another person rendering them violated. It is only wickedness and being evil that anyone would rape another person. Having sex with anyone without consent and against their will is cruel, wicked and evil

shadeyinka:
A person with homosexual tendencies is sick and needs both psychotherapy and deliverance.
Most homosexuals are perfectly healthy people who are beneficial to the society in various capacities, more than you ever will be with your deep seated ignorance and shallow thinking

shadeyinka:
Why would God order the execution of any two men having sex with each other?
Lev20:13
Some of the reasons to start with are because the two men having sex with each other are doing it in association with idolatry practices, temple male prostitution etc on top of being unfaithful and guilty of sleeping around or having multiple sexual partners. I could list you more reasons, but those will be enough for now to you
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by Ayo13945(m): 11:04am On Mar 01
I have thought about the sexual
problem.
Bestiality,paedophilia,Homosexuality, premarital sex and masturbation; they all have one thing in common: when people have sex without the aim of reproducing.
The only way to (permanently) solve the problem is to return sex to its proper station
which is REPRODUCTION.

Until humanity does that; it will continue to
have problems caused by the wrong use of sex and the problems will only get worse.
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by Dtruthspeaker: 11:10am On Mar 01
Ayo13945:
First of all i am not a moralist; I am a
pragmatist. I don't believe in good and bad;
i only judge something based on its
usefulness. So from my point of view sex is
neither good or bad but it is only useful for
one purpose and one purpose only and that
is reproduction.
It doesn't matter if 90% of humanity believe
otherwise.
If you doubt me ask yourself what other purpose could it have.

So from my own point of view both the
Homosexualist,Heterosexualist and every
other person that has sex without the aim of reproducing are in the same group.

Thank God no one appointed you judge oh for your first error is you do not know The Law.

For a judge exist because there is Law

Secondly, since you have No Ground (Law) on which you lay your judgement, thus, your judgement is "Emptiness" like (hunger) and emptiness requires "Filling up".

So consider, if you gave "emptiness" to the hungry, shall they thank you?

Nay, a curse is what ye shall get!

Therefore, you have done a nullity and a vain thing.

Ditto: I am not insulting you only raising up the flaws in your judgement!
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by BassReeves: 11:14am On Mar 01
Dtruthspeaker:
Thank you for the "blow below the belt!"
I punched you in the jaw, only that you know you have a glass jaw and so why you refused to directly reply back to the innocent and harmless questions at you.

Dtruthspeaker:
I have already said "All"!

All means All, whether sexual offences, thieving, murder, lying, bodily harming, forgery etc.

Ejusdem Generis, "All!

I always stand with and by my words/posts, and I can not be Moved!
So you accept and agree then that adultery, fornication and paedophilia, does occur in heterosexuality, just as it can be in homosexuality?

So when you accept and agree then that adultery, fornication and paedophilia, does occur in heterosexuality, just as it can be in homosexuality, why single out homosexuality alone and not feature or mention heterosexuality. It shows that you are biased, not well informed and inept
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by Dtruthspeaker: 11:22am On Mar 01
BassReeves:
I punched you in the jaw, only that you know you have a glass jaw and so why you refused to directly reply back to the innocent and harmless questions at you.

Ok, thank you for breaking my face!

I have done the best that I can humanly do in the circumstance to explain to you but I do not have power to give you understanding.

BassReeves:

So you accept and agree then that adultery, fornication and paedophilia, does occur in heterosexuality, just as it can be in homosexuality?

So when you accept and agree then that adultery, fornication and paedophilia, does occur in heterosexuality, just as it can be in homosexuality, why single out homosexuality alone and not feature or mention heterosexuality. It shows that you are biased, not well informed and inept

I always speak against "All" forms, faces and features of immorality and not homosexuality alone.
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by BassReeves: 11:23am On Mar 01
Ayo13945:
First of all i am not a moralist; I am a pragmatist. I don't believe in good and bad; i only judge something based on its usefulness. So from my point of view sex is neither good or bad but it is only useful for one purpose and one purpose only and that is reproduction. It doesn't matter if 90% of humanity believe otherwise.
Lets find out how pragmatic you really are:

1. Would it matter if you, your son, daughter, dad, mother, sister, brother, friend, colleague etc are raped?
2. Would it matter if your pet animal or domestic animal is sexed by a human being?
3. Would it matter if your property is stolen?
4. Would it matter if someone has sex with you against your will or without you consenting?
5. Would it matter if your partner sexually cheats on you?

Ayo13945:
If you doubt me ask yourself what other purpose could it have.
Does intimacy mean anything to you?. What about pleasure?

Ayo13945:
So from my own point of view both the Homosexualist, Heterosexualist and every other person that has sex without the aim of reproducing are in the same group.
Please qualify, just as you specifically mentioned 'Homosexualist, Heterosexualist' sic who exactly falls in the 'every other person that has sex without the aim of reproducing are in the same group' category
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by BassReeves: 11:26am On Mar 01
Dtruthspeaker:
Ok, thank you for breaking my face!

I always speak against "All" forms, faces and features of immorality and not homosexuality alone.
Why are you finding it difficult to openly and directly say that adultery, fornication and paedophilia, does occur in heterosexuality, just as it can be in homosexuality?

Why specifically single out homosexuality alone and not feature or mention heterosexuality when you are doing your condemnation?

I will tell you why. It is because you want to continue to live in your cocoon of ignorance and world of delusion.
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by Dtruthspeaker: 11:35am On Mar 01
BassReeves:
Why are you finding it difficult to openly and directly say that adultery, fornication and paedophilia, does occur in heterosexuality, just as it can be in homosexuality?

Why specifically single out homosexuality alone and not feature or mention heterosexuality when you are doing your condemnation?

I will tell you why. It is because you want to continue to live in your cocoon of ignorance and world of delusion.

grin As I said earlier,
"I always speak against "All" forms, faces and features of immorality and not particular to homosexuality alone."
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by BassReeves: 11:47am On Mar 01
Dtruthspeaker:
grin As I said earlier,
"I always speak against "All" forms, faces and features of immorality and not particular to homosexuality alone."
There must be a deep seated and long standing reason why you singled out homosexuality and not mention heterosexuality in the same breath of you introducing adultery, fornication and paedophilia into the conversation.
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by Ayo13945(m): 11:59am On Mar 01
BassReeves:
Lets find out how pragmatic you really are:

1. Would it matter if you, your son, daughter, dad, mother, sister, brother, friend, colleague etc are raped?
2. Would it matter if your pet animal or domestic animal is sexed by a human being?
3. Would it matter if your property is stolen?
4. Would it matter if someone has sex with you against your will or without you consenting?
5. Would it matter if your partner sexually cheats on you?

Does intimacy mean anything to you?. What about pleasure?

Please qualify, just as you specifically mentioned 'Homosexualist, Heterosexualist' sic who exactly falls in the 'every other person that has sex without the aim of reproducing are in the same group' category

The point is; you are interested in having a
conversation. I am interested in solving the
problem. And the only way to do that is to
use sex only for reproduction.
No amount of discussion will solve the problem; the only solution is to take the right
action.
By the way; you are free to accept or reject or
reject my opinion.
I have already taken my stand on the matter
and i am living what i am preaching.
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by BassReeves: 12:04pm On Mar 01
Ayo13945:
The point is; you are interested in having a conversation. I am interested in solving the problem. And the only way to do that is to use sex only for reproduction. No amount of discussion will solve the problem; the only solution is to take the right action. By the way; you are free to accept or reject or reject my opinion. I have already taken my stand on the matter and i am living what i am preaching
The point is you are manufacturing a non existent problem that requires no solving. The thing about opinions, is that they always change in the face of incontrovertible facts and absolute truths.

You know you will tumble down from your stand, if you should attempt replying to those 5 questions you are asked and also whether intimacy and pleasure mean anything to you.
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by Dtruthspeaker: 12:14pm On Mar 01
BassReeves:
There must be a deep seated and long standing reason why you singled out homosexuality and not mention heterosexuality in the same breath of you introducing adultery, fornication and paedophilia into the conversation.

grin homosexuality is the subject matter on this thread.

In another thread it was money and I spoke therein. In another it was adultery, I spoke there, in another it was about, immorality Lawyers, I spoke there.

When I see a post about anything which is Not-Good, I am likely to challenge it!
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by BassReeves: 12:16pm On Mar 01
Dtruthspeaker:
grin homosexuality is the subject matter on this thread.

In another thread it was money and I spoke therein. In another it was adultery, I spoke there, in another it was about, immorality Lawyers, I spoke there.

When I see a post about anything which is Not-Good, I am likely to challenge it!
You clearly know with that your silly grin that you are being disingenuous
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by Dtruthspeaker: 12:27pm On Mar 01
BassReeves:
You clearly know with that your silly grin that you are being disingenuous

grin Another Work and Power of Nature!
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by Ayo13945(m): 12:54pm On Mar 01
For those who are still struggling with
fornication,masturbation or unnecessary
sexual urges.
1)The first step is to control what enters your
mind. Avoid all sexually exciting stimulants
such as erotic literature, movies, tvshows,
music, pornography etc. Because it causes
the sexual glands to produce unnecessary
external secretions.

2)Adopt a vegetarian diet. Anyone who wants
to control his or her sexual urges should
not eat meat and fish because they have an
excessive aphrodisiac quality.
Animals, like men, become perverted
sexually and victims of an exaggerated
sexual urge when they are subjected to
artificial feeding and confinement. Thus
apes, when confined to a cage and fed on
meat and other sexually stimulating food,
while previously gentle and tame on a fruit
diet, become extremely licentious and
vicious. Then they masturbate excessively
and have intercourse daily, while the female
consequently menstruates as freely as a
woman.
3) Try Intermittent fasting.
Intermittent fasting, also known as
intermittent energy restriction , is an
umbrella term for various meal timing
schedules that cycle between voluntary
fasting (or reduced calorie intake) and
non-fasting over a given period.

There are many types of intermittent
fasting. I currently practice a type of fast
whereby i eat well in the morning fast for
at least 8 hours and i eat again in the
evening.
The reason why so many people have
excessive urge is because they eat
excessively thereby allowing too much
blood to flow to their digestive system
as well as the reproductive system.
But intermittent fasting corrects that by
allowing blood to flow to the more vital
organs especially the brain.

It should be noted that i practice all of
the above and so far have recieved
wonderful results.

This writeup offers practical information
on how to control unecessary sexual
urge. It will bring the desired result if
practiced consantly.
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by BassReeves: 2:13pm On Mar 01
Dtruthspeaker:
grin Another Work and Power of Nature!
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by BassReeves: 2:25pm On Mar 01
Ayo13945:
For those who are still struggling with fornication, masturbation or unnecessary sexual urges.
1. Please be honest and tell me what problem you have with masturbation?
2. Please be honest and tell me whether or not you have fondled yourself or stimulate yourself with your hand during or when about performing a love act?

Ayo13945:
1)The first step is to control what enters your mind. Avoid all sexually exciting stimulants such as erotic literature, movies, tvshows, music, pornography etc. Because it causes the sexual glands to produce unnecessary external secretions.
I have a better advice, why not take to Matthew 5:29-30 or Mark 9:43-47

Ayo13945:
2)Adopt a vegetarian diet. Anyone who wants to control his or her sexual urges should not eat meat and fish because they have an excessive aphrodisiac quality. Animals, like men, become perverted sexually and victims of an exaggerated sexual urge when they are subjected to artificial feeding and confinement. Thus apes, when confined to a cage and fed on meat and other sexually stimulating food, while previously gentle and tame on a fruit diet, become extremely licentious and vicious. Then they masturbate excessively and have intercourse daily, while the female consequently menstruates as freely as a woman.
Old wives tales

Ayo13945:
3) Try Intermittent fasting. Intermittent fasting, also known as intermittent energy restriction , is an umbrella term for various meal timing schedules that cycle between voluntary fasting (or reduced calorie intake) and non-fasting over a given period. There are many types of intermittent fasting. I currently practice a type of fast whereby i eat well in the morning fast for at least 8 hours and i eat again in the evening. The reason why so many people have excessive urge is because they eat excessively thereby allowing too much blood to flow to their digestive system as well as the reproductive system. But intermittent fasting corrects that by allowing blood to flow to the more vital organs especially the brain. It should be noted that i practice all of the above and so far have recieved wonderful results. This writeup offers practical information on how to control unecessary sexual urge. It will bring the desired result if practiced constantly.
The devil finds work for idle hands. Anything done in excess is not healthy.

Having sexual urge is a beautiful and fantastic God in-built divine design. Read the whole SOS chapter 7 for sexual gems and one of the sexiest moments in God's own Word I love to read.
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by BeLookingIDIOT(m): 3:52pm On Mar 01
Dtruthspeaker:

[quote author=BassReeves post=99503720]

Mark 9:42
'And whosoever shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me;
it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck, and he were cast into the sea'
.

Matthew 18:6
'It will be terrible for people who cause even one of my little followers to sin.
Those people would be better off thrown into the deepest part of the ocean with a heavy stone tied around their necks! '
.

To start with immorality has to do with wickedness, now sexual immorality, has to do with being sexually wicked. It is a wicked person who doesnt, and wouldnt find it sexually immoral to have in his/her thoughts sexual attraction to prepubescent young children.

I want to believe you understand the meaning of prepubescent and know the sick implication of having sexual fantasies for and even sexual attraction of boys and girls.

Now, the talk of sexual immorality, is about restricting sexual relations to the person you are committed to and not to be having multiple partners that Dtruthspeaker, rightly doesnt subscribe to.

Another important point, is consent. Prepubescent young children are well off chart the 'age of consent' radar and so no matter how you plan to argue it, are off limits, period.
This is just like saying "slavery is bad,hence my bible must not have permitted slavery because,well, slavery is bad sad" but we know the bible did indeed permit slavery.
Perhaps the term I should be using is "marrying children" rather than pedophilia.
You're trying to input the morality currently present in society and assuming that was also what the bible meant. Do you think people marrying children then was considered harming children for us to think that was also part of what Jesus intended in those statements?
According to xtian traditions his mother was even a child upon marriage.
Ages of consent throughout history has been well off the charts when compared to today. Again,you're inputting the morality currently present in society and assuming that was what your bible meant.
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by Image123(m): 3:52pm On Mar 01
BassReeves:

Muttley, are animals our role models? Should we also do or sanction stuff because pigs or dogs do them?
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by BassReeves: 7:30pm On Mar 01
BeLookingIDIOT
This is just like saying "slavery is bad, hence my bible must not have permitted slavery because, well, slavery is bad sad" but we know the bible did indeed permit slavery.
Ephesians 6:5-9
'5Slaves, be obedient to those who are your earthly masters, with respect for authority,
and with a sincere heart [seeking to please them], as [service] to Christ--
6not in the way of eye-service [working only when someone is watching you and only] to please men,
but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart;
7rendering service with goodwill, as to the Lord, and not [only] to men,
8knowing that whatever good thing each one does, he will receive this back from the Lord, whether [he is] slave or free.
9You masters, do the same [showing goodwill] toward them, and give up threatening and abusive words,
knowing that [He who is] both their true Master and yours is in heaven,
and that there is no partiality with Him [regardless of one’s earthly status]
.

Colossians 4:1
'Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven.'

Since you want to use slavery to shift focus away from paedophilia, then may I ask whether you can see from the above, how the bible watched out for slaves and is after their good health, happiness and welfare, even entreated that they be treated with respect and accorded fair treatment.

No matter how hard you want to drag slavery into this, paedophilia, that essentially, is about having sexual fantasies, arousal, sexual attraction urges to prepubescent children, has never being an issue in biblical times for it to be recorded. Every sexual perverseness, from rape, adultery, temple male prostitutes, bestiality, infidelity, fornication, men sleeping with men or women sleeping with for purposes of idolatry activities and as part of ritualistic pagan worship acts and reasons etc however are for posterity sake recorded

BeLookingIDIOT
Perhaps the term I should be using is "marrying children" rather than pedophilia.
Isnt it interesting that your opinion and way of thinking is now taking another turn.

BeLookingIDIOT
You're trying to input the morality currently present in society and assuming that was also what the bible meant.
I did nothing of the sort. It is you who was trying to amoral pedophilia.

BeLookingIDIOT
Do you think people marrying children then was considered harming children for us to think that was also part of what Jesus intended in those statements?
Are you trying to front that children in biblical times, were married off during prepubescent years, as in meaning, before they were grown?

BeLookingIDIOT
According to xtian traditions his mother was even a child upon marriage.
If you want to go the route of xtian traditions, then what age does xtian traditions place Mary to be?

BeLookingIDIOT
Ages of consent throughout history has been well off the charts when compared to today.
If you had done a proper and careful bible study on Mar, you would have found out that, inspire of God already knowing Mary's heart, he still sought her consent first and Mary who had reached the age of giving consent, gave a clear, verbal consent to the conception, pregnancy and birth that was to follow.

BeLookingIDIOT
Again, you're inputting the morality currently present in society and assuming that was what your bible meant.
In any society, whether biblical or the currently present society, it will be wickedness which is what anything devoid of morality is, to with a prospect of having conception, pregnancy and birth, without consent come unto anyone or come unto them against their will
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by BassReeves: 7:32pm On Mar 01
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Muttley, are animals our role models? Should we also do or sanction stuff because pigs or dogs do them?
If you want my response to your questions, you will learn to address me correctly as BassReeves, otherwise you are interacting with a wall
Re: I Was Born Gay So I Cannot Change by shadeyinka(m): 8:11pm On Mar 01
BassReeves:
The same bible that you havent bothered to contextually read ut instead opt to quote bible verse in isolation of the setting or background, is not against permissible and acceptable homosexuality

I would have objection to anything associated with, linked with or related to idolatry practice and rituals

It is because it is sexual assault on another person rendering them violated. It is only wickedness and being evil that anyone would rape another person. Having sex with anyone without consent and against their will is cruel, wicked and evil

Most homosexuals are perfectly healthy people who are beneficial to the society in various capacities, more than you ever will be with your deep seated ignorance and shallow thinking

Some of the reasons to start with are because the two men having sex with each other are doing it in association with idolatry practices, temple male prostitution etc on top of being unfaithful and guilty of sleeping around or having multiple sexual partners. I could list you more reasons, but those will be enough for now to you
According to
Lev 20:15:
"And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and you shall slay the beast."


1. Would you submit that those who have sex with animals associated it with idolatry to make the activity wrong and evil worthy of execution?



According to
Lev 20:13:
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."

2. How did you read idolatry into the scripture above when you know that it has the same context with verse 15?
Can you please show that verse 13 and 15 have the same context and it means idolatry?


Have you seen people addicted to eating sand, sniffing glue or eating soil or soap. They look normal but aren't they sick. Same with a homosexual: sick to find same sex appealing.

A paedophilia has an abnormal sexual attraction to children, aren't they sick?
A Necrophiliac person has an abnormal sexual attraction to corpses, aren't they sick?

How much more a homosexual. It's not written on the face!

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