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Re: The Real TB Joshua by ThothHermes: 6:56pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
I've been following the topics about him in the past few days and it's amazing how so many people think he was a genuine man. This is high level demonism. May God deliver everyone who has come in contact with that man and his church. Watching that Emmanuel TV alone is enough to get you demonized. The vibrations I sense whenever I accidentally stumble on it. Sheesh. OP good job. 4 Likes |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by Nobody: 7:03pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
Mehn.. you just took me down memory lane when I used to watch this mans' program in the early 2000. That was before I got born-again but for some reasons, I was never moved by all the drama in his ministry. I was just laughing watching the video of women holding their private parts. Na wa o.. 1 Like |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by igbowoman: 7:07pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
ThothHermes: Anyone with the spirit of God will be repulsed by TB. Light and darkness do not go together Anyone not able to discern him is not of God because his sheep hear his voice. |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by igbowoman: 7:12pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
CharisEleos: That video is a manifestation of what spirit he worked with. The spirit of God will never make people hold their private parts and act mad and urinate in public and open their legs. That is a foul spirit. 2 Likes |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by johnnywayne(m): 7:18pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
Nutella |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by Kobojunkie: 7:19pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
coscj:1. First, who is Jesus Christ? According to the Bible, Jesus Christ is God's New agreement, the Covenant promised by God to His people from the even the time of Abraham, with which to bless the World with and God's Covenant is Law by which those who believe are expected to abide and live by. His Law defines for us what sin is - it contains the complete definition of sin(disobedience) where God is concerned and how to live above it in honor of God. Hence, Jesus Christ, the Truth of God is not simply a man sent from and by God but instead the embodiment of the New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God. His teachings and commandments, including His examples, the very Law we are to model our walk with God after. 2. Every one who belongs to Jesus Christ lives life continually in submission to and obedience of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ. It is through obedience of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ that we * (even if partially) gain access into the Kingdom of God - not all those who gain access will end up in Heaven - John 3 vs 1-21 * are set free from slavery to sin - John 8 vs 31 - 38. * receive the Spirit of God - John 14 vs 15 - 21 * obtain answers to everything we ask God for and live according to the Will of God, just as as Jesus Christ did- John 15 vs 7 - 11 In essence, in the Kingdom of God, nothing good can be born without obedience to the teachings and laws as given by Jesus Christ, the Truth of God. So we have that every good fruit is born obedience, and bad fruits are born of disobedience or rejection of the commandments of Jesus Christ. So we make what the fruits are born of but what are the teachings that the fruits are in response to. Jesus Christ being God's Truth(Law) implies that every teaching/rule laid down by Him, as well as His examples, comprise the very details of God's Law to us as far as His Kingdom is concerned. So to produce good fruits, one needs to trust in and obey the teachings, examples and commandments given by Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone. Here's an example to look at. In Matthew 23 vs 9, Jesus Christ condemned the calling of men "spiritual fathers". He instructed his followers from sitting in six a seat over any other, proclaiming that we have only one Father in Heaven. What does this say about pastors and Mogs who sit as "spiritual fathers" over those who follow them? They don't belong to Jesus Christ as they clearly usurp that which belongs only to God in their disobedience. The teachings and commandments we are called to obey are documented in the 4 Gospels for those who want to know the Truth (Law) of God to learn and be set free from slavery to sin as a result of knowing the Truth- John 8 vs 31-32 |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by coscj(m): 7:49pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: Thank you. From your piece, I deduced that the fruits must only originate from obedience. You are good with the letters of the scripture. I hope the spirit part of the scripture completes your knowledge. As for spiritual father issues, I believe the apostles handled that. If you study from Acts to 2peter you will understand the importance of spiritual leaders/mentors As for teachings and commandments, the bible says that if every thing Jesus did and taught were documented then the whole world will be full of books. This is why we must remain prayer through HIS WORD and by HIS SPIRIT to have better understanding |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by Kobojunkie: 8:07pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
coscj:1. The Word of God, Jesus Christ, the very words out of God's own mouth is the very Spirit of Truth and His teachings and commandments the very Truth we are to live by. 2. God declared that no man should add to or remove from His commandments, proclaiming that His Law is eternal. So, how then do you claim that the apostles "handled" God's definitive law against men proclaiming themselves spiritual faithers over other men,this in God's own Kingdom? By whose authority was this "handled" , and where? Jesus Christ, in Matthew 1 - 10, more than made it clear that His followers that it is sin for any of them to sit as... *Spiriual fathers * leader/mentor * Teachers * Master/Head ...over anyone who belongs in His flock and His Kingdom. According to God, He alone is Teacher- Jeremiah 31 vs 34 - over all those who belong to Him. God alone is Shepherd - Ezekiel 34 vs 9 -16 - over all those who belong to Him. God alone is Master and Father over those who belong in His Kingdom- Matthew 23 vs 6 - 10. So obviously, anyone who installs himself as any such does not do so by God's authority now, does he? 3. Where exactly does the Bible tell you that if everything that Jesus Christ taught were documented then the whole world would be full of books? 4. The Word of God is Jesus Christ. All I have referenced so far as the Words out of God's mouth as written of in Scripture. Are these not the very Truth of God Himself to you? |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by coscj(m): 8:29pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: No 1, 4 is accepted. However, by your explanation in no2 are saying that there is no place for Hierarchy, leadership, or mentorship in the body of Christ (church)? for No 3 you may check the Gospel of John 21:25 |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by BeboNGN: 8:57pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
I remember what Jesus face when he was alive. If T.B Joshua is fake I will love to roll with that fake man of God. A prophet is not honoured in his own land. 1 Like |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by Kobojunkie: 9:07pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
coscj:1. In response to your question on #2, Jesus Christ Himself declared that the case. In Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28, He declared that none of His followers set themselves up as authorities or leaders over the others, proclaiming instead that anyone of them who desired to sit above the others should instead become slave to the rest. Also, bear in minx that the body of Christ refers here to His followers who belong in His Kingdom -not your churches in the world - , and over each and everyone of those who belong, in His Kingdom, He alone stands as Master, leader/authority , Teacher, Helper, Shepherd, comforter, Head etc. 2. As for #3, If you carefully examine what is written in John 21 vs 25, you will see that what you are told would require several volumes in documenting are not His teachings and commandments but the examples He lived - His deeds. Jesus Christ is the New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God billed as having an easy yoke(teachings and commandments) and an light burden(carry your own cross) - Matthew 11 vs 28 - 30 - all this compared to the Old Covenant Law of Moses which had 613 commandments and a hard burden(where the consequence of the sin of one was suffered by the many) . It would all have been meaningless if He did not deliver the Law(His teachings and commandments) in it's entirely, this before His death on the cross when He announced, "It is finished". And it would have certainly been meaningless if His Law turned out to be heavier than the Old Covenant Law of Moses before it. |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by coscj(m): 9:48pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: Smiles. Your view/understanding of church leadership may be grossly misinterpreted. It still does not answer my question For No2, Jesus' deeds are the grounds for the Christian church today. If you try to separate his deeds from his teaching, you might end up in a circus. For example, the OP was complaining about TB Joshua used crude methods, but forgot that Jesus used his Saliva and dirty mud to heal a blind man. Now, Fun fact: Are you aware that there are other Gospels from other apostles that were not included in our current bible. |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by dorox(m): 10:07pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Are you a member of his church, or just an admirer of him? |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by Kobojunkie: 10:16pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
coscj:1. Jesus Christ never commanded the setting up of your churches to begin with. His Church, which consisted of those who submit to and obey His commandment is lead only by Him and commanded only by Him( through the Spirit of Truth and the Spirit of God) 2. I am not sure what you mean by Jesus's deeds being the grounds for the Christian church today. From History, we know instead that your churches are instead founded on the doctrines and traditions of men, lies which Jesus Christ wanted against - Matthew 15 vs 1 -14. 3. Jesus Christ's deeds were examples that showed the result of obedience of the same Law(teachings and commandments) which He gave to us. If the disciples had attempted to record the details of every single healing, every single encounter with the Pharisees and individuals, even single demon He cast out, of no doubt, there would not have been enough books in the world to document them all. However, what is fully documented are the unique teachings and commandments that He, Jesus Christ, gave us, and that, again, is the Law that God promised us through the person of Jesus Christ. 4. The use of crude methods is one thing but to attempt to compare that to what Jesus Christ did is another. That will be worth opening a separate thread for. 5. As for the existence of extant Gospels, I know of and have read several of them and compared their entries to those recorded in scripture. What I have learned where the Truth of God(Jesus Christ) is concerned is that His Word is alive and True - it is Spirit and you simply need to test each claim for yourself to realize whether it is of Truth or not. |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by coscj(m): 10:40pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: No 1: Jesus christ in Matt 16:18 commissioned his church. that is the church we worship in along with the saints When I say church I mean the body of christ. (Secondly, you may want to check 1corinthians 4:14 to understand the place of a spiritual father) No 5 How do we do the testing? By fruits? |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by byinks(f): 10:42pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
GreenFarmsNG: I want to private chat with you. |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by GreenFarmsNG: 10:43pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
byinks: Okay. Email. Give me till tomorrow to setup a new email account that you can contact me On |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by Mecka: 10:48pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
igbowoman:Madam, if you say he was fake, how come his channel is named after christ. How come he runs a church called SCOAN. How come he quotes the scriptures during his preaching. How come he mentions God and not satan. He is fake yet his last words was: "a life with christ is all we have. watch and pray". |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by byinks(f): 10:50pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
GreenFarmsNG: Thank you |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by juman(m): 10:51pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
Pentecoastal churches are business centers. Their pastors are fake pastors. TB Joshua was better than most of those pastors because he touched many peoples lives, he was philanthropist. Almost all pentecoastal pastors are fake pastors. |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by optimisticage(m): 10:52pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
What an epistle just to discredit a MOG that has done what his creator has sent him to do. I suggest u just try to live right and make impact no matter how little in this world u live in. Even if Jesus was here in Nigeria, people like u would still castigate him. He spat on sand and used it to cure a blind man, people like u will still say his methods are demonic. U are saying the way a woman manifested while grabbing her genitals is not Godly. So when Jesus delivered d demon possessed man, and cast dem to swines, d demons were gentle with d man. Didn't u read that d demons even made him injure himself? As somebody advised u earlier, sometimes u just need to pray and fast for insight on some matters, rather than playing jury and judge like d Pharisees. U prefer to vent ur vituperation someone who heal d sick and cast out demons like Jesus did, while d motivational speakers that preach d word without power are d anointed ones, what a hoax. A man of God without power is no different than a UNILAG lecturer. They tell stories about Jesus without doing what he did. Was it not Jesus that said greater things should we do? Pls free d late prophet and carry ur cross 2 Likes |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by Cabble4(m): 10:56pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
ifex370:This country will never ceased to amaze Me. Ignorance is the only disease that, the afflicted doesn't know he is sick. |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by juman(m): 11:00pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
I find it difficult to fully believe that a giver like TB Joshua is no more. I am sad. I suspect corona that killed him. I watched video how hoteliers around his church area were very sad. Their business depend on his church activities. Overall, he was a good man. A country where IBB alone embezzled twelve billion dollars. Abeg, TB Joshua was like a god compared to many other persons. 1 Like |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by Kobojunkie: 11:00pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
coscj:1. In Matthew 16 vs 13 - 20, we read of Jesus Christ building His own Church on the Rock of His choosing, not of Him instructing man to build for Him a church or anything along those lines. His Church, the body of Christ, is built by His hands.. and His way - He alone is Teacher, Master, Shepherd, Leader/Lord, Father, Helper to all those who belong to the Church built of His own Hands. We are told that in Jesus Christ, God does only inhabit man made structures, and we learn that God only lives inside of those who are holy and continue in submission to and obedience of the teachings of JesusChrist - John 14 vs 21-22. So, by this we are sure that God's Church is a separate church entirely from Man's churches which are regularly filled with sinners and more sinners listening to the doctrines and traditions of men, that which is sin against God Himself - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 , from the mouths of men who sit in positions that are meant to be occupied by God alone over His followers. The churches of men are not His Church but the church of men belonging to the Kingdom of men. When you ask me to check 1 Corinthians 4 vs 14, is this because you think Jesus Christ lied in Matthew 23 vs 7 -10, when He declared that it is sin any follower to occupy the position of "Father" over others in His Church? I ask this because that is what it means to deny the Truth of Jesus Christ, insisting instead that man's word holds greater power over God's Truth. When you read that which supposes it is also the Truth of God, you can easily know if it fits what you already know of God or not. Since God will never contradict Himself, God will also never give you a go ahead where it is not of Him. He will go as far as to stand in the way of your doing that which is against Him if you honestly seek to please Him by your obedience. |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by Kobojunkie: 11:01pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
Mecka: 2 Likes |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by GreenFarmsNG: 11:14pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
igbowoman: Abeg you are spiritually and scriptural sound abeg. 4 Likes |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by GreenFarmsNG: 11:19pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
Mecka: Has anyone ever seem any video where TB Joshua did alter call for repentance. Even once. Mind you, I've been on his trail since 1990. If you've ever seen TB JOSHUA Made altar call u to salvation, let us know. |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by GreenFarmsNG: 11:45pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
byinks: Yw. However, I'm believing the Lord is impressing on me that it is going to be a phone communication issue. I've had this " prompting " atleast 3 times now, cause I'm having insight already on the " pressing issues " already. But.. Let's see how it goes from our email interaction first. |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by igbowoman: 6:43am On Jun 13, 2021 |
PeaceJoyLove: Let's forget the sentiments and deal with facts 1 Like |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by Nobody: 6:55am On Jun 13, 2021 |
igbowoman:This is my last post on your thread. Continue then! No one is stopping you. Which sentiment is in my post. If you claim to be spiritually filled like you wrote everything besutifully, you will understand why genuine Holy spirit filled leaders have refused to pay condolence visit and or condemn him. CAN only sent it out of "too much noise". He was not a member of CAN, and if they dont, nothing anyone will do. Even Jide Sanwo Olu cannot ignore that of another leader despite the June protest. I do not want to mention any leader if such happened to and Sanwo would be there. But the day it happened is when Sanwo Olu should have been there. But the guy sent delegates. Well, he may still go. Wisdom is needed. There is a reason Holy Spirit filled leaders are not saying much. If you like listen, if you like keep calling "sentiments" and running your mouth anyhow. No wahala. But before you continue crucifying him, did God really ask you to do it? Or are you doing it on your own? You people just play with spiritual things like nothing. You are coming out to say it boldly now. But when he was alive, can you do it? These are issues you should check. Continue doing Ms. Macho then ooo. Goodluck and Blessing! |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by Jokerman(m): 8:32am On Jun 13, 2021 |
igbowoman: He/She who is without sin should cast the first stone. David said,"God forbid I touch the Lord's anointed" Allow God to judge. Stop all these write-ups you do.... You do not know his last moment. Pursue your own race. |
Re: The Real TB Joshua by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:05am On Jun 13, 2021 |
I am a Christian, as a follower of Christ Jesus i love everyone so i only point out where people err in other for others not to fall into the same trap. TB Joshua was a good and kind-hearted man that's why he used what he has (power) to help people around him, there are many who also went and got spiritual powers but will not use it wisely to gain favour in the eyes of men the way TB Joshua did, rather they will only continue to accumulate worldly possessions to flex up and down nobody will remember them for any assistance they rendered during their life. That's why all those Pastors, Reverends, Bishops and co failed to have anyone talk about the financial assistance they rendered apart from the spiritual powers they used to heal people. TB Joshua healed people and also rendered financial assistance to many during his lifetime so he got more admirers than them all. But none of them including TB Joshua practiced true Christianity! dorox: |
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