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Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by Kobojunkie: 10:44pm On Jun 30, 2021 |
Way too many folks have indeed gorged on the doctrines and traditions of men, lies, for so long, they cannot seem the Truth sitting right in front of them even if they tried hard to. For those who are not yet in the know, the entire context of Isaiah 14 vs 4 -27 contains nstead a song/ dirge sung by God Almighty about the King of Babylon, mentioned in Isaiah 14 vs 4. Ezekiel 28 vs 1 - 19 contains a similar sounding message to the King of Tyre - Ezekiel 28 vs 2 - from God Almighty. The inclusion of the word "Lucifer", still found in some older translations where a result of as errors in translation. Then on to the ridiculous assertion that morning star(Lucifer) is a reference to Satan, an idea that stands contrary to that recorded in John's book of dream/visions, Revelations 22 vs 16 where Jesus Christ is said claim that He is the bright morning star(Lucifer). Are we to believe then that Jesus Christ is the same character as Satan? Now, as to how why many out there equate the Serpent in the garden of Eden with Satan, please see link below for education on where that Unscriptural link came about How the Serpent in the Garden of Eden came to be known as Satan But curiously, although the author of Revelation describes Satan as “the ancient serpent” (Revelation 12:9; 20:2), there is no clear link anywhere in the Bible between Satan and Eden’s talking snake. . The ancient Near Eastern combat myth motif, exemplified in the battle between Marduk and Tiamat in Enuma Elish and Baal and Yam/Mot in ancient Canaan, typically depicted the bad guy as a serpent. The characterization of Leviathan in Isaiah 27 reflects such myths nicely: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by Nobody: 1:16am On Jul 01, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: ***(1)*** You see, KJ, one must actually use discernment to read the Bible. You wish people wouldn't, so you could continue to deceive them. But some seeking Christians do actually learn things as they go along. And one of those things they learn is that "princes" and "kings" in prophecy can sometimes relate to spiritual princes and kings, not just literally-human princes and kings. Or sometimes it can even apply to both. But you, being the son of the devil, know this, and yet are still trying to mislead others (again). ***(2)*** "Lucifer" translated by the KJV and NKJV is literally "day star", meaning "star of the morning" and refers to Satan's original pre-sin behavior in Heaven, which matches up perfectly with what Ezekiel says in Ezekiel 28:12-16: “You were the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz, and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes Was prepared for you on the day you were created. 14 “You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones. 15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you. The KJV and NKJV Bibles do not translate deceptively; the NKJV even has the footnote regarding the translation of "Lucifer". If one searches further, they will find it was translated from the Hebrew this way with proper meaning, again because of Satan's original pre-sin behavior in Heaven. And Satan literally means "the Adversary". But he is still called by the name Satan. ***(3)*** If you wish to use your ERV, you can. But know that there are differences: Isaiah 14:4 (NKJV): 4 that you will take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say: (ERV): 4 At that time you will begin to sing this song about the king of Babylon: It is a proverb, not a song. And also, if want to think it was God that was singing that song (as you said), you would be wrong. Anyone who is willing to read can see what God told the prophet. Does it matter in this case ? Not really. If someone thinks "taking up a proverb" is the same as "singing a song", they can. But in other cases the differences surely do matter. ***(4)*** Revelation 12:7-9 (NKJV): 7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (ERV): 7 Then there was a war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon. The dragon and its angels fought back, 8 but they were not strong enough. The dragon and its angels lost their place in heaven. 9 It was thrown down out of heaven. (This giant dragon is that old snake, the one called the devil or Satan, who leads the whole world into the wrong way.) The dragon and its angels were thrown to the earth. Guess what, on those two, your ERV essentially matches the NKJV. Good. So you can see, even using your ERV that: dragon = serpent (old snake) = devil = Satan. Now, for why you don't want to use your Bible on that, you don't have to. But why should anyone then believe your attempted deceptions from a link you provide ? The serpent in the Garden of Eden was in fact, Satan. Even your own ERV Scripture says you lied in a previous post. Of course you only did that in order to deflect the truth away from your father the devil. ***(5)*** One last thing. Only an evil person would try to suggest associating Jesus to the devil. (Yes, your "questions" are also "suggestions", as you well know. Just like the devil asking Eve, "Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?" Satan lies, and those like him do also. Like you did here, pretending to be all about Jesus while actually suggesting pills to an unsuspecting female regarding controlling sexual urges: https://www.nairaland.com/6611025/what-it-10-commandments-infuriates#103124098 That "pill" part caught her eye and almost trapped her, but her consience caught up with her, and she ran away from your trap.) Regarding Revelation 22:16 (NKJV): “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.” Obvously a morning star is a good thing. And Lucifer was a good thing in Heaven. He was not Jesus, but still, Lucifer was a good thing in Heaven. Then he chose to sin and became an adversary, now called Satan. Jesus is THE Bright and Morning Star, the very Son of God. It isn't hard. It's only made hard by those trying to slyly suggest other things. |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by Nobody: 3:49am On Jul 01, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:You added this part to your post above (the stuff after your link) AFTER I posted my post below it, because you knew you had lied. You can keep all your "probably"s", because what you said has no bearing on anything. You obviously don't believe the Apostle John when he wrote down the Book of Revelation. But anyone can read the Bible and see that the dragon still = the devil and still = Satan and still = the snake in the Garden of Eden, no matter how much fluff and flak and diversion you try to dissuade them with. You're still a devil, Kobojunkie. Know I still Love you, though, even though I hate what you do. I don't Love Satan, because he is unredeemable. But you are a human, and may one day be redeemable. But you have repent, instead of still trying to do the work of your father the devil. Until you do... as always, Kobojunkie, the Lord rebuke you. |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by MightySparrow: 5:12am On Jul 01, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: That means, by your explanation, Jesus completed His assignment during His temptation?. He only rebuked Him before His death. I Peter 1: 12 tells us that angels, whichever, desired to look into the agenda of salvation, but not so given. II don't agree with your GB position on the. As you claim the word trinity doesn't appear in the Bible so is this isn't clearly mentioned in the Bible. It is a bad extrapolation. You can believe what you want. Ok. The same about 11914, it doesn't have any historical or scriptural support. Ithey are met conjectures. Deuteronomy 29: 29. |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:49am On Jul 01, 2021 |
You've got no problem Sir! MightySparrow: |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by hupernikao: 10:02am On Jul 01, 2021 |
tamonokare: I have read it and i wondered how this relate to my post or the question at hand. You likely want to respond to another post i guess. |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by Nobody: 11:13am On Jul 01, 2021 |
awitness41: You're responding to a wrong poster, or you're clueless on what brought about my post. Someone said Satan did what God created him to do when he tempted Eve. I was trying to point out to him how that postulation made no sense as far as the Bible is concerned. And. You. Went. On. A. Meaningless. Monologue. Ask questions properly next time before you dive headlong into a discussion. |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by MightySparrow: 12:54pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: I don't Sir. |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:58pm On Jul 01, 2021 |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:13pm On Jul 09, 2021 |
MightySparrow: Please what is the difference between you and the atheist below? Because you both share the same line of thought! iramure: |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by iramure(m): 4:14pm On Jul 09, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:activate your sound mind code please. 1 Like |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:24pm On Jul 09, 2021 |
I can only sense that you both share the same line of thought, but you can enlighten me on what you meant by SOUND MIND! iramure: |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:12am On Jul 10, 2021 |
MightySparrow: Obviously you are shopping for an answer you would accept and you are not after The Truth! For if Truly did not make sense, you would have called on them to re-explain themselves. That's what reasonable and Truthseeking souls do. |
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Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by Kobojunkie: 8:43am On Jun 22, 2022 |
HedwigesMaduro:Satan is God's Quality assurance administrator who tests the resolves of men on God's say so. Satan cannot do anything without God's permission and that which Satan does is as indicated by God. God created good and evil and I believe He installed Satan to handle or administer evil for Him. This is reason why Job,when tormented by Satan, said in Job 12, that it was God who did it to Him. And Jesus Christ handed Peter over to Satan to be tested, instructing him, Peter, to teach the others what he learns from his ordeal. Basically, God is sovereign over good and evil as it is all under Him. Even the so called Kingdom ruled over by Satan in fact belongs to God. Same as Hell - Jesus Christ is the King over Hell - Matthew 25 vs 40 - 46. 1 Like |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by compton11(m): 10:08am On Jun 22, 2022 |
DDfruitful: Nigga! Foolishness of God? Is u playing? |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by Nobody: 11:06am On Jun 22, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Jesus didnt hand Peter over to Satan. Satan wanted to deal with Peter, but Jesus rescued him. |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by Kobojunkie: 2:33pm On Jun 22, 2022 |
HedwigesMaduro:Jesus Christ didn't hand him over but rescued Him? 31 “Satan has asked to test you men like a farmer tests his wheat. O Simon, Simon,How could it be construed a rescue mission when Jesus Christ told Peter to help the others when he returned from being tested? |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:42am On Jun 16, 2023 |
They said your Papa is a cultist and his church is built for his cult. Emperor4God: |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by Ndipe(m): 9:18am On Nov 13, 2023 |
Jesus Christ Alone is the perfect Lamb who alone offers salvation. |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by Maynman: 10:02am On Nov 13, 2023 |
Ndipe:Salvation from what? |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by TenQ: 10:32am On Nov 13, 2023 |
MightySparrow:Really!? 1. God's law and command is absolute and never violated 2. God created beings with free will with capacity to willfully violate His commands 3. Since violation of God's command is against His Absoluteness: God's Law mandates that he who violates His integrity be eternally cut off from Him. It is an weight of infinite judgment 4. God's Love for humans made Him to save those who will by their volition and freewill choose to love Him and be eternally subject to Him by paying for their sin with an infinite ransom. 5. What can be greater than God Himself receiving the punishment due to the offender by offering Himself as a scapegoat for his sin (violation of God's integrity) This is the reason why Jesus became the LAMB of God who takes away the sins of the world. Killing Satan does not deliver you from the Offence of violation of God's integrity. Jesus became the FINE for our Offence, PAID in full for those who choose to Love and Follow Him. |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by 22jumpstreet1(m): 12:06pm On Nov 13, 2023 |
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Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by 22jumpstreet1(m): 1:03pm On Nov 13, 2023 |
TenQ:where did you get this from? i want quote from the Tanakh 4. God's Love for humans made Him to save those who will by their volition and freewill choose to love Him and be eternally subject to Him by paying for their sin with an infinite ransom.No ransom was ever demanded, all he said was confess and forsake , i will forgive 2nd chronicles 7:14 quote where this your infinite ransom is mentioned.. 5. What can be greater than God Himself receiving the punishment due to the offender by offering Himself as a scapegoat for his sin (violation of God's integrity)it still did not work because there is still a condition attached...and there is still the idea of 'hell' what's your position on hell? This is the reason why Jesus became the LAMB of God who takes away the sins of the world.why the condition? |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by TenQ: 1:16pm On Nov 13, 2023 |
22jumpstreet1:Only if you show me from the Tanakh that God is NOT absolute! 22jumpstreet1:Why did God require a scapegoat for the forgiveness of the sins of Israel 22jumpstreet1:Hell is a place where rejected people are quarantined! 22jumpstreet1:Because If God's command is VIOLATED without any consequence, he stops being Absolute over ALL! |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by 22jumpstreet1(m): 1:36pm On Nov 13, 2023 |
TenQ:absolute in what sense? Why did God require a scapegoat for the forgiveness of the sins of IsraelHE NEVER...sacrifices where for sins committed in ignorance. And its not in all cases a sacrifice is required some measures of floor is also allowed. in all other cases you must confess and forsake...and there was never a time that human sacrifice was ever approved by the creator..it was a she goat less that a year old and without blemish...go back again and read it.. Hell is a place where rejected people are quarantined!when was it created? before the first day of creation or after the creation of man.. the old testament idea of death was God taking his spirit and the body buried and returning to dust.....psalm 104:29-31 Because If God's command is VIOLATED without any consequence, he stops being Absolute over ALL!there are consequences already for violating his laws he already said that in Deuteronomy 28..read it up again |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by TenQ: 3:58pm On Nov 13, 2023 |
22jumpstreet1:Is your God not absolute over EVERYTHING!? 22jumpstreet1:This is the sacrifice done collectively for the people of God: is this untrue? My Question was simple and direct: Why did God require a scapegoat for the forgiveness of the sins of Israel? Lev 16:21-22 21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a cfit man into the wilderness: 22 And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness. 22jumpstreet1:The details was not recorded. However, do you think God is Just? Do you think God will punish Evil done by men to their fellow men eg. Murder, Torture, Rape, Violence etc Or God will overlook the misdeeds of evil people? 22jumpstreet1:Are you unaware that this is what follows the Children of Israel on earth!? Are you saying that All Evil People die Poor and Miserable in their lives? Are you aware of the kinds of atrocities some kings and powerful people have committed on earth with no seemingly apparent consequences? I hope that you know that the Old Testament did not discuss Resurrection and Eternity? |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by 22jumpstreet1(m): 4:22pm On Nov 13, 2023 |
TenQ:i agree with you. what makes you think he cant forgive you if you are truly sorry for your sins and you turn a new leaf. Just like he ordered in Ezekiel 18.. This is the sacrifice done collectively for the people of God: is this untrue?it is a practice for Judaism. God did not command them. when they where in Babylon they did not believed that if they humbly confess their sins and forsake their evil ways , God will not forgive them...They knew God would forgive them...God is only interested in a sincere repentance...why would he want you to slaughter a human being for him before he does that? those it even makes any sense to you? The details was not recorded. hahha. hell fire is just a creation of the catholic church. we are Gods spirit dwelling within a physical body. when man expires, it means God has called his spirit from that body. the body can no longer carry out any function. its consciousness has departed from its body. we just bury it for it to become dust from which it was taken. is it Gods spirit that is going to hell?? does the idea even makes any sense to you? my own belief is that if that spirit has not concluded its purpose of creation it is sent back again to earth to start all over in another body and get it right. till it is now a pure soul and it can finally become like God Just as John soya in one of his epistle.. Are you unaware that this is what follows the Children of Israel on earth!? leave that to God. he did not reveal what happens to them. it is really not our business, ours is to follow his divine laws. if they obey his laws he blesses them if the disobeys he punishes them... that's is what he does to every human on earth and every people, he gave us his divine laws to keep. He is punishing us with leaders who don't care for us as we are too deep on idolatry.. I hope that you know that the Old Testament did not discuss Resurrection and Eternity?yes, probably because it is not our concern. we should concern our self with keeping the laws of existence... the romans created those for the purpose of population control, power and money... |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by TenQ: 4:45pm On Nov 13, 2023 |
22jumpstreet1:If God is absolute over ALL, tell me how you can undo your acts of disobedience to Him? 22jumpstreet1:So, why did God give them the ordinance of the scapegoat if it is not significant? 22jumpstreet1:Did you hear me mention Hell even just once? I have mentioned a place of Quarantine (being cut off eternally from God): Can God's spirit die? 22jumpstreet1:You can beleive ANYTHING you want: its your cup to drink. However, one day, the TRUTH will stare you at the face. 22jumpstreet1:However, do you think God is Just? Do you think God will punish Evil done by men to their fellow men eg. Murder, Torture, Rape, Violence etc Or God will overlook the misdeeds of evil people? 22jumpstreet1:Really? If God is JUST, it makes sense that He must punish EVIL and REWARD righteousness. We call the Place of Reward Paradise We call the place of Judgement Hell Choose this day where you will spend your eternity for spirits never die! |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by 22jumpstreet1(m): 12:02pm On Nov 14, 2023 |
TenQ:confess and forsake, that is a sincere repentance that is what he has always said he wanted....there was never a time there was ever a talk of a human sacrifice...'a contrite heart you will not spurn...psalm 50 So, why did God give them the ordinance of the scapegoat if it is not significant?He never did, it was their own idea.... Did you hear me mention Hell even just once?why does God need to quarantine his spirit? If it has not accomplish the purpose why it was sent to earth, t will be sent back again. Like I always say. We are all the same ''spirit of God'' experiencing life in multiple ways.. You can believe ANYTHING you want: its your cup to drink. However, one day, the TRUTH will stare you at the face.{/quote] you are not tasty for the truth, you are just blinded by faith....because you have wasted your whole life on a lie. The truth seems like lie to you.the judgment take place here on earth, they would be sent back to earth if they have not fulfilled the laws. we are spirit having a human experience, not the other way round... Really?like i said above, the judgment takes place on earth. if they are not pure spirit yet, they would be sent back to earth...the purpose of life is to learn and grow, by making errors and learning from them. That's why we need to arm our selves with the correct knowledge of God. Choose this day where you will spend your eternity for spirits never die!we are all spirit, and that's what we all will become at the end. but we must all fulfill the whole point of the laws....and the basic tenant of the law is to abstain from human sacrifice and idolatry... |
Re: Why Would God Kill Jesus Not The Devil? by TenQ: 12:17pm On Nov 14, 2023 |
22jumpstreet1: So, God gave a command which did NOT come to pass because you blocked it by your own will. And you think it can be undone!? It is on record that God gave a command that FAILED on your account. How do you unwrite that which is already written? 22jumpstreet1: Of course you don't read the Torah else you would have known This is the beginning of the instruction Lev 16:1-2: "And the LORD spoke to Moses after the death of the two sons of Aaron, when they offered before the LORD, and died; And the LORD said to Moses, Speak to Aaron your brother, that he come not at all times into the holy place within the veil before the mercy seat, which is on the ark; that he die not: for I will appear in the cloud on the mercy seat." 22jumpstreet1:Can God's spirit given to man die or be annihilated? If God is a Holy God, how can one join His spirit with that which was polluted with sin and Wickedness! |
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