MrBrownJay1:


pls stop taking from the above verse only what fits your agenda. remember, just because hagar was given to Abraham "to be" his wife, doesnt mean they were married...as we can clearly see from the below that she was ALWAYS referred as a SLAVE, not a wife/concubine:

- Abraham referred to his supposed wife Hagar as his wife's slave, not her concubine nor his wife.
- Hagar was referred as a SLAVE by the angel of the lord, not as his wife.
- Hagar said she was running away from her MISTRESS, not her supposed concubine (which she would be if she was indeed married to Abraham)
- how can a man have a wife but refer to her as a SLAVE?!?!?!? you guys make no damn sense!
- how can a supposed wife (Hagar) be openly mistreated by her concubine?! you guys make NO SENSE!

They'll never agree but always deny the obvious truth and find a bible translation that suits them.lol

Galatians 4:22-30 sheds more light that Sarah was the wife and Hagar was the bond servant.

Not only Abraham slept with his slave, even Jacob his grandson did the same. Most of the 12 tribes of Judah were children of Jacob's wives' slaves.

My own is that...Hell Fire is real! If God could send His Only Son to come down to warn us and save our souls, then Hell must be a very very very very very over very dreadful place.

Quote me, I won’t reply you and won’t read either.

End time pastor of an endtime ministry

HabaHaba:


Hello. I have taken my time to study tour arguments with these two othee guys concerning Abraham committing fornication with Hagar and Keturah (as reference by you).

I want to note to you that as at that time, a slave is someone's property and therefore tou could do whatever pleases you with your slave.
In the same vein, if you want you can have sex with your slave and its legally allowed (because yoir slave is your property and totally at your descretion to do what pleases).
So, if Sarah have her slave to her husband its legally allowed she be his wife for that period of NECESSITY!
Its like you pkuck a Mango fruit from your Mango tree BECAUSE ITS YOUR PROPERTY AND OF NECESSITY TO EAT THEN.

Abraham was following trends of that era.

you are absolutely RIGHT, but then again, if that man is NOT married to that slave, he is supposedly commiting fornication in the eyes of the bible... there are no 2 ways about it. fornication is the act of having sex with a woman that is not your wife and/or premarital sex?!?!?! so whether such act was accepted during that era (or not) is irrelevant to the discussion at hand about the bible view on fornicators/sin.

whatever trend Abraham was following, he had to answer to his "oga at the top"

MrBrownJay1:


i doubt its about being smart...king Solomon had 700 "wives" and 300 mistresses/babymamas...

all this your Solomon matter self, the Bible wants believers to be Christ like, I expected people like u who wants bto bend d Bible to be looking for where Jesus fornicated but am sorry he didn't,

To some here..abraham david Solomon Adam is the standard of christianity...jesus is my standard..and once u accept him u can be greater than these mere mortals...acceptance ...access...recognition is all I ask for ..

MrBrownJay1:


and you are fully entitled to your own personal beliefs... to many, there is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with having sex with someone that you aint married to (so long as they aint married or in a relationship with someone else). marriage is just a useless piece of paper that means nothing. many unmarried people have way better unions than the married demons who gladly rape their wives if she aint in the mood for sex and/or gladly cheat on them. lets get real!

Since you're so averse to morality and rules, everybody should rather have sex with whoever they dim fit, married, single or anywhere in-between.
Isn't that right?

Even an atheist knows this is a lie!

Myer:
They'll never agree but always deny the obvious truth and find a bible translation that suits them.lol

Not only Abraham slept with his slave, even Jacob his grandson did the same. Most of the 12 tribes of Judah were children of Jacob's wives' slaves.

lol

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Emax911:
all this your Solomon matter self, the Bible wants believers to be Christ like, I expected people like u who wants bto bend d Bible to be looking for where Jesus fornicated but am sorry he didn't,

lol, we are just rubbing minds here....

Sagefromtheeast:
Since you're so averse to morality and rules, everybody should rather have sex with whoever they dim fit, married, single or anywhere in-between.
Isn't that right?

isnt it what has been happening before/during/after/since the begining of time anyway??!?! dont blame ME for that, instead blame your "god" who supposedly was gonna fix that.

Are yhu kidding me?

This one is definitely not a pastor please. Remember anyone can call himself a pastor these days.

God forbid!

osazsky:
also read about thier punishment and how god deprives them from some certain things ..they got thier punishment though some got higher degree of punishment..there are people that committed murder in America and the judge gave them 10 years some committed same murder and they got the leather injection or faced the hang man..I watched one on discovery investigation yesterday on dstv..beauty queen murder...this doesn't make murder right cuz if u try it u may get the full consequences

what was the punishment for these confirmed fornicators with 100s of mistresses and babymamas??!!?!

Imagine what the world will become if we say because abraham slept with a slave let all Christians start sleeping with thier maids..or since Solomon had 1000 wives let all Christian marry 1000 wives.. if u believe it's a norm will u allow your daughter be the 1000th wife. u dont need the bible to tell u that these things are wrong only muslims will defend these things provided its found in thier Quran.. your conscience should tell u what is wrong or right u dont need the bible...but look at jesus as your standard..he told us to love our neighbour's.. if u love your neigbour u wont send ur best friend to war so that u can marry his wife..if u love your neigbour u wont take a life u cant create cuz he is infidel.. jesus nerver stole..he nerver lied he nerver killed rather he gave life..this should be our standard all other stories and parables where written there for us to learn.follow christ and u will be saved

bennynaza:
One says: Give me 300 Youths, I will make them Millionaires by giving them 1 Million Naira each.

The other one said: 300 people who want God to make them Millionaires should come and drop 1000 naira on this altar.

One is called a Ritualist, while the other one is called a Pastor.

Awake Black Child!!!

What the black child needs is to understand how capitalism works in the global stage.

What will they awake into? Nothing much!

Pastor Olakunle Beloved Jesukale aka End-time General who is the founder of End-time revival Evangelical Ministry has come out with a teaching that fornication is not Sin.

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osazsky:
Imagine what the world will become if we say because abraham slept with a slave let all Christians start sleeping with thier maids..or since Solomon had 1000 wives let all Christian marry 1000 wives.. if u believe it's a norm will u allow your daughter be the 1000th wife. u dont need the bible to tell u that these things are wrong only muslims will defend these things provided its found in thier Quran.. your conscience should tell u what is wrong or right u dont need the bible...but look at jesus as your standard..he told us to love our neighbour's.. if u love your neigbour u wont send ur best friend to war so that u can marry his wife..if u love your neigbour u wont take a life u cant create cuz he is infidel.. jesus nerver stole..he nerver lied he nerver killed rather he gave life..this should be our standard all other stories and parables where written there for us to learn.follow christ and u will be saved

So you don't want to believe God but you want to claim Jesus Christ?

God sanctioned the taking of slave wives in His Old Covenant- Exodus 21 vs 6 -11 and Deuteronomy 21 vs 10 - 14

God also allowed kings to have many wives but not too Many. And recall, it was God who gave David Saul's wives and concubines.

MrBrownJay1:


whats there NOT to comprehend (from the horse's mouth)?!?!?

Genesis 12-12
But God said to him, “Do not be so distressed about the boy and your slave woman.

...continue trying to make a point where there is NONE to make, when you GOD has clearly spoken on the issue already.

You should also say Ishmael is not Abraham’s son since the Bible wrote, Do not be distressed by “the boy” instead of “your son.”

Watch and see how lots of girls will switch to his church.

God have mercy on end time preachers

EmmanuelScott1:


During that time there is no law, Abraham is not under the law. Read the scripture and understand

True, Abraham was not under the law. Just like a Christian is not under the law either. Romans 8:2

MrBrownJay1:


what was the punishment for these confirmed fornicators with 100s of mistresses and babymamas??!!?!

he punished solomon for his apostosy by breaking up his kingdom after his death

DAVID ....as punishment the first child who was conceived during the adultreous relationship died solomon was born after david was forgiven

nenyewrites:
You should also say Ishmael is not Abraham’s son since the Bible wrote, Do not be distressed by “the boy” instead of “your son.”

Ishmael was a bastard child born from a slave...thats why only ISAAC was viewed as his 1st son and only him received Abraham inheritance. if Abraham was indeed married to this slave then her son would be Abraham 1st heir thus receive his inheritance.

now, why would you even think that a woman your god called a "slave", was his wife?!?!?!? your GOD HIMSELF said she was a slave!

Doctrines of devils

Myer:


True, Abraham was not under the law. Just like a Christian is not under the law either. Romans 8:2

Yea, a Christian is no longer under the law but that does not mean you have the right to sin (fornication).

Kobojunkie:
So you don't want to believe God but you want to claim Jesus Christ?

God sanctioned the taking of slave wives in His Old Covenant- Exodus 21 vs 6 -11 and Deuteronomy 21 vs 10 - 14

God also allowed kings to have many wives but not too Many. And recall, it was God who gave David Saul's wives and concubines.

who is God? Christ

EmmanuelScott1:

Yea, a Christian is no longer under the law but that does not mean you have the right to sin (fornication).

But sin is defined for those under Law, remember?
Sin is defined by the Law so where there is no Law there is no sin.

osazsky:
who is God? Christ

So, is there a separation that exists between the God of the Old Testament and the God of the time of Jesus Christ in this?

osazsky:
he punished solomon for his apostosy by breaking up his kingdom after his death
DAVID ....as punishment the first child who was conceived during the adultreous relationship died solomon was born after david was forgiven

do i have to educate you as to why god punished Solomon?!?!? or better yet, simply Google APOSTASY/IDOLATRY... and then come again and tell me if that has any relevance to the subject at hand.

as for king David, he was only punished because he had sex with Bathsheba, aka a MARRIED woman.

EmmanuelScott1:


Yea, a Christian is no longer under the law but that does not mean you have the right to sin (fornication).

Sure.
But if you can give Abraham a free pass, just saying.

MrBrownJay1:



many great men of your holy book had sex with SINGLE women that they were not married to, had countless babymamas/mistresses etc and were never punished by your "god".... so it is safe to say that the above man is actually right on the subject. but hey, if you believe that sex before marriage is a sin then pls tell us all what the punishment is, so i can therefore educate you about highly respected fornicators in your holy book, such as Abraham, king David/Solomon who were never punished for their supposed sin.

the only one that was punished was because he had sex with a MARRIED woman, apart from that, sex with single women has ALWAYS been ok in your holy book.

thank me later...

Our God is the Almighty. He can never be compared to any other. He's not like your very little god who prefers you fight, feed or carry him. Stop this madness before incurring the wrath of the Almighty.

MrBrownJay1:


Ishmael was a bastard child born from a slave...thats why only ISAAC was viewed as his 1st son and only him received Abraham inheritance. if Abraham was indeed married to this slave then her son would be Abraham 1st heir thus receive his inheritance.

now, why would you even think that a woman your god called a "slave", was his wife?!?!?!? your GOD HIMSELF said she was a slave!

some of you think christianity is a religion like other religion u read on your holy book and follow..if holy books say kill infidels u kill..christainity is a life style..its divine.if u have the holy spirit u dont need the bible..you will be the first to enter heaven..its divine it's different from other religion where u need to study your holy book.hit your head on the floor..stone one image in mecca.mary children..christianity is you it's in u

Myer:


Sure.
But if you can give Abraham a free pass, just saying.

abraham also had his punishment and his own rebelled against him