MrBrownJay1:


pls stop taking from the above verse only what fits your agenda. remember, just because hagar was given to Abraham "to be" his wife, doesnt mean they were married...as we can clearly see from the below that she was ALWAYS referred as a SLAVE, not a wife/concubine:

- Abraham referred to his supposed wife Hagar as his wife's slave, not her concubine nor his wife.
- Hagar was referred as a SLAVE by the angel of the lord, not as his wife.
- Hagar said she was running away from her MISTRESS, not her supposed concubine (which she would be if she was indeed married to Abraham)
- how can a man have a wife but refer to her as a SLAVE?!?!?!? you guys make no damn sense!
- how can a supposed wife (Hagar) be openly mistreated by her concubine?! you guys make NO SENSE!

MrBrownJay1:


she was a slave that was used as a surrogate...thats why your god had no quarrel when she was thrown out of Abraham's house and sent to the desert, like a stranger. if she remotely was a wife to Abraham, then she would have been treated just like your god expects a man to treat his wife... unless of course you now claim that you god beliueve that you can send your wife to the desert to suffer, for no appearant reason, abi?!?!??!

MrBrownJay1:


One day you will have a daughter and when men sample her well and later you Will thank them for a job well done.
God is not to be blamed.

many great men of your holy book had sex with SINGLE women that they were not married to, had countless babymamas/mistresses etc and were never punished by your "god".... so it is safe to say that the above man is actually right on the subject. but hey, if you believe that sex before marriage is a sin then pls tell us all what the punishment is, so i can therefore educate you about highly respected fornicators in your holy book, such as Abraham, king David/Solomon who were never punished for their supposed sin.

the only one that was punished was because he had sex with a MARRIED woman, apart from that, sex with single women has ALWAYS been ok in your holy book.

thank me later...

Kobojunkie:
Sin is as defined by Law or as defined by your flesh, which one?

EmmanuelScott1:

Romans 3-20

"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."

Kobojunkie:
This statement of your is untrue
.... Above, God Himself tells you that Abraham was justified by Him for obeying His laws and statutes.

EmmanuelScott1:

I mean the 10 commandments, above quotes you mentioned is talking about the convenant Abraham have with God ( the circumcission) and not the 10 commadment.

Kobojunkie:
Did you know that in the Old Covenant, God allowed the taking of "slave wives" which are lesser wives or called concubines too - Exodus 21 vs 7 -11

Oktane:

Grow would have been funny if it wasn't so sad.

So GOD the embodiment of perfection (which means incapable of changing) changed his laws on the New testament?

Wow!

His laws in the old testament differ from the laws in the new testament.
This is new to me.

phemmyfour:
Oga Ade!
We are CHRIST followers, not Abraham, Moses or David followers. Those guys were humans and err at one point or the other in their lives. Christ is the standard.

We follow CHRIST teachings and that of his apostles as led by the holy spirit

Kobojunkie:
That verse says the opposite of what you claim , just so you know.

Anyway, you still haven't answered my question.

You claim you are not under Law implyng that you are Lawless. Yet you claim that being lawless you have to watch for sin. Where is this sin defined if you are Lawless?

Kobojunkie:
Is there a law somewhere that stipulates that as Hagar's master, Sarah could not marry her slave to whomever she chooses?

[b]God deals with us via His Laws so where He has not decreed a Law, we are not allowed to make one up. And as far as slavery is concerned, God allowed it [/b]even in His Old Covenant Law so I am not sure what your are against in this.

Kobojunkie:
1. There is no record that God gave Abraham even the 10 commandments so nothing of Genesis 26 vs 1 - 5 hints at such.

2. According to that, Abraham was under Law with God and was justified by His obedience of said laws and statutes .

Kobojunkie:
Again, Hagar was a slave wife- she remained a slave to the first wife even in marriage and her husband knew this. So, What is wrong in referring to a slave woman as just that?

Kobojunkie:
You are only here picking here what you want and applying your spin to it to fit the narrative of your choice.

In the same book, the author of Genesis told the slave woman was given to Abraham for wife. Why do you throw that out so you can continue to insist that because she was called a slave woman she could not be a wife?

Kobojunkie:
Well, there is no law against the having of numerous wives, or husbands, to begin with, I am afraid.
So how could one be said to be "fornicating" even with a second wife?

EmmanuelScott1:

No, christians re not lawless ( I know what you're implying), the law was abolished due to nobody can keep it as whole, what I mean that christians re not under law is ( those times, If you fail to keep one law, you will die immediately, the people will stone you to death but now that Christ has abolished it, if you did sin, nobody is stoning you to death but remember that wages of sin is death) not even christian, no human is under the law now but under grace, those times nothing like let's pray for forgiveness (that's how bad law is) but purification is carried out by the high priest yearly ( sin that the people didn't catch)


Mary Magdalene case is example to this, she is a sinner but Christ didn't codemn to be stoned to death as the commandment says but if she continue in sin "she will die".

Kobojunkie:

Concerning Hagar ...

As for Keturah,

Shall we move on to King David next?

Oktane:

You actually meant this.
There is fire on the mountain.
So God creator of all men express his preference for some above others.
Really!
Read your post again...this time slowly.
How does it even sound to you?
GOD permitted slavery in one form or another.

EmmanuelScott1:

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Abraham is not under the law that time, but he have convenant with God (circumcission),

Not if you have adultery you will die
Remember the sabath day, keep it holy
Emm what a again, thou shall not kill

Abraham doe not know all this, what he know is the convenant he has with God. Shikina

OkoAnike:
So if your wife says take her, hence you 've not commit fornication... � � haha haha bravo continue to deceive your self

shegun4sur:
Which law is against fornication?

kennyz247:

my question here,so a woman can just stay in one conna and decide to give another person daughter to a man as a wife.. without d concept of her family and call that a legal wife ? hmm someone is confused here

MrBrownJay1:


pls stop taking from the above verse only what fits your agenda. remember, just because hagar was given to Abraham "to be" his wife, doesnt mean they were married...as we can clearly see from the below that she was ALWAYS referred as a SLAVE, not a wife/concubine:

- Abraham referred to his supposed wife Hagar as his wife's slave, not her concubine nor his wife.
- Hagar was referred as a SLAVE by the angel of the lord, not as his wife.
- Hagar said she was running away from her MISTRESS, not her supposed concubine (which she would be if she was indeed married to Abraham)
- how can a man have a wife but refer to her as a SLAVE?!?!?!? you guys make no damn sense!
- how can a supposed wife (Hagar) be openly mistreated by her concubine?! you guys make NO SENSE!

Holiness2100:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdqHycwGJFo

Krismas:
It’s complete falsehood. Marriage nullifies slavery. U cannot be both at the same time. Even the law forbids it in d Bible. Which bride price did Abram pay for Hagar? To whom did he pay it? How was the marriage contracted? Also, why did Abram marry his own sister Sarai, if he is not a fornicator? And If fornication is a sin, who did Cain marry in d Bible?

Kobojunkie:
1. What marriage Law in the Bible nullifies slavery? Can you be more specific please?

2. Did God stipulate a bride price for marriage when He defined it in Genesis 2 vs 24

3. Did God specify a law against the marrying of one's own sister or cousin during the time of Abraham?

4. Of what importance is who Cain married to this conversation?

Krismas:
Ur arguments are completely off key. Yet u think u are biblically sound. I have resolved NEVER to read ur comments again. Bye

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ did not DISPROVE the Old Covenant Laws - He lived according to those same exact Law Himself in order to fulfill it.

Instead what Jesus Christ did was introduce a new Law, separate and different from the Old Covenant to those who were weary and Heavy laden.