techwaya:
Jaja ,The Igbo man who owns opobo and bonny..

Who says Igboland is landlocked? we have direct access to sea,offshore oil drilling,world class navy feels so good..

Eastlink:
They successfully achieved that decades of lies because the Igbos after the war became afraid to challenge the revisions due to fear of not to being seen in the bad books of the northern led federal government. Remember the Igbos just came out of the civil war and had to remain civil in order to be accepted fully.

However, we owe it to our generation to keep using facts and historical evidence to burst these lies of Ijo ownership of Bonny and Opobo. Igbos founded and owned these communities. However, the coming of the Ijo migrants who were first brought in by the Portuguese and later Dutch sailors change a lot. Bonny, Opobo, Kalabari and Okrika which were Igbo lands embraced Ijo culture. While the language of Kalabari changed to Ijo, Okrika was altered to a great degree. But Bonny and Opobo with roots from Ndoki kept her language and origin, and embraced Ijo culture which was the dominant culture in the Niger-Delta creeks as at then.

SlayerForever:
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Lies. Language doesn't change that easy. If you speak Igbo widely, you are either Igbo or Igbo descended. We're not fools here. The Bonny/Opobo people are Igbo. With some Ijaw people there, especially in Bonny. Finish.

Liebermantic:

That's the effect of a war loss by the Igbos..If IGBO had won the war, would that King say he was related to Ijaw when the ancient unbiased History points to If I descent?
I want Nigeria to divide along Ethnic lines so Ijaw and Igbo will settle the ownership issue of Bonny and Opobo either ICC or through violence

mrksquare:



Where I come from we have almost lost our dialect to that of Igbo.

And this sad reality is owing to the consistent penchant of our men in seeking for their bride in Igbo land. The high cost of bridal fee that is associated with our culture hasn't helped issue either. We hardly marry within. That's why I am an advocator for endogamy system of marriage as a way of preserving our dialect.

There is what is called in sociology Cultural diffusion. When two cultures comes together it leads to what is called cultural dilution.

Why do you think far right Europian moment are adverse to strangers from Muslim country. You are aware of the New Zealand massacre that transpired close to a mosque.

When two cultures meet at a certain point, it has a way of diffusing the inherent culture in place. Even the singular fact of trading with the outside world comes with it's attendant challenges. You think my kalabari brothers bears English surname on their making.

SlayerForever:



I've told you before that if you're speaking Igbo natively, you are either Igbo or Igbo descended. Igbo can't displace your language. Another instance would be proximity. But that would make the people bilingual. Languages don't go so easy

IDENNAA:


Brother , this is not a sound reasoning. You are becoming emotional hence your inability to reason properly. The Igbo speak their native language , primarily , with English as language of instructions and academic. This your example is very poor and unrelated.

nengibo:
90% of Igbos bear Osu or a form of it, I don't need to hear anything bros, just simple google search and you see them
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/01/after-15-years-anambra-community-gets-traditional-ruler/amp/
Eze Emesinwa Nwosu VII, seven generations of OSU's with thr name to prove it

IDENNAA:


Calm down , nigga! We are here to learn and the worst thing you can do to yourself in a learning environment is to become emotional ,sentimental and dishonest because you will lose.

jimyjames:

90% of igbos bear OSU? Lol

[b]An OSU rules of a generation of OSU[/b]it's not new, I still ask have you ever heard an OSU is a king over Freeborns?

mrksquare:



Where I come from we have almost lost our dialect to that of Igbo.

And this sad reality is owing to the consistent penchant of our men in seeking for their bride in Igbo land. The high cost of bridal fee that is associated with our culture hasn't helped issue either. We hardly marry within. That's why I am an advocator for endogamy system of marriage as a way of preserving our dialect.

There is what is called in sociology Cultural diffusion. When two cultures comes together it leads to what is called cultural dilution.

Why do you think far right Europian moment are adverse to strangers from Muslim country. You are aware of the New Zealand massacre that transpired close to a mosque.

When two cultures meet at a certain point, it has a way of diffusing the inherent culture in place. Even the singular fact of trading with the outside world comes with it's attendant challenges. You think my kalabari brothers bears English surname on their making.

IDENNAA:



Bros , this your explanation did not make a danm sense , please. There is no way marrying women who speak a different language into your culture will completely change the language of your people because these women would still be in the minority. Unless over 70% of your men decides to marry Igbo women which would be strange , lie and unbelievable. And stop using bride price as an excuse.

Ychick:
Please if you don’t understand the culture of the Ijaw city states of the eastern delta. It is important you ask.
Under the acculturation system of the ijaw city states of the eastern delta. There are 2 ways to become a citizen.
1. By birth
2. By adoption where a head money is paid. (siwi igbi). The literal meaning of Jaja’s full name Jugbo Jugbo fem is somebody bought somebody else. So of course he is of Igbo descent and he was bought by Anna people and became his child by adoption. In ijaw society nobody is a slave, he was raised as a child with full rights of the Anna people house that allows him to even replace his father as chief.

Now on the issue of Amachree, I am a direct descendant of Amachree (8th great great grand father), and King Abbi (5th great grand father) any of my brothers can become Amayanabo of Kalabari (New Calabar) if they contest and win. Amachree’s mother was a Kalabari woman from the original Kalagbea ward. But his father was a freshwater Ijaw man from the central delta. He is not of Igbo origin, although he bought a lot of ibo people from the interior to expand the Kalabari population, and reinforced the idea that all Kalabari people are his people. There is a saying that King Amachree o e da fe a or inyingi fem- meaning if he did not buy your father, he bought your mother. Now on Bonny, they migrated from the central delta- fresh water ijaw land, and stayed for a while in ndokki, where the group split into 2, and some went to Bonny which the new indigenes called Okoloba. In Bonny, with the rise of the palm oil trade and the large number of slaves from the ibo interior. Bonny made a different decision than the kalabari’s by making ibani ijaw a secret language for the elites, so that their numerous slaves will not overthrow them. So ibo became the trade language. This decision means that someone like Jaja who was the foster child of a big chief spoke fluent ibani because he was an elite, and I have read diaries of the British consul trying to settle the fight between opobo and bonny chiefs, with Kalabari and Okrika chiefs as mediators for both groups. All the chiefs from the 4 kingdoms were speaking ijaw because the eastern jaw dialect of kalabari, Okrika, bonny and opobo are mutually intelligible. Now, in new calabar all new adoptees, we don't call them slaves, had to learn the kalabari language, and in fact your ability to speak kalabari determined how fast you could integrate into your new society, that is why in kalabari land. Ibo never gained a foothold like in bonny and the subsequent state of opobo did. So of course we too had lots of people from the ibo interior acculturated into our societies. But, you are an ijaw person, not a slave and you are accorded full rights of a full citizen. So the whole calling Jaja a slave is a joke gone too far. He was the pampered and privileged child of a wealthy chief.

nengibo:

On the contrary brother, you made a claim, that the only reason someone will use a foreign language is when they were outnumbered by the foreign group, therefore the indigenous group belonged to the foreign group all along. By your own logic which I was following Nigerians were British all along because many Nigerians speak English as their first and only language

nengibo:

So you're are saying the entirety of Igbos leaders and followers are Osu? Are you sure you're actually Igbo cause if so you insulted yourself

mrksquare:



I know you will doubt it. But I dare you to take a trip to my community so we can do on the spot investigation.

nengibo:
90% of Igbos bear Osu or a form of it, I don't need to hear anything bros, just simple google search and you see them
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/01/after-15-years-anambra-community-gets-traditional-ruler/amp/
Eze Emesinwa Nwosu VII, seven generations of OSU's with thr name to prove it

IDENNAA:


I don't believe you because it's impossible....so , who then will marry your own women if 70% of your men are marrying Igbo women. That would draw outrage in your land.

IDENNAA:




Again , Igbo did not lose their language to England , they only added it to list of spoken language due to colonialism. So , let me ask you this question again....why does Opobo and Bonny speak Igbo language ? Where is their native tongue if you argued one existed ?

IDENNAA:


First of all , osu caste is primarily practiced in Anambra and some Imo towns. And like I said before....the name Nwosu and osu are unrelated. Thanks

nengibo:

So you're are saying the entirety of Igbos leaders and followers are Osu? Are you sure you're actually Igbo cause if so you insulted yourself

DubaiLandLord:
An Igbo man in Onitsha can't tell people of Opobo where they belong. I've been to Opobo and Bonny, they don't see themselves as Igbos. Nah only ontop Nairaland I dey always see this kin argument

Do you know of Gen. Minimah? He was an ex COAS and he is from Opobo, I've never seen him claiming to be an Igbo man.

nengibo:

Nwa OSU or Nwosu is a slave decedant , no need to whitewash anything because of modernization or Christianity, your ancestors took people for other places and made them slaves it happened across Igbo land and Nigeria just that it wasn't as documented.

DubaiLandLord:
Mr Man, you have not right to decide where a group of people belong to. There are ijaws in Ondo state that speaks Yoruba and dress like Yoruba, does that make them Yoruba?

Sowore is an Ijaw from Ondo state.

IDENNAA:



Ok , if we are going to have a smooth discussion let's not speak about things we don't know about. I have kindred men who bear Nwosu....now , do you know more than my 80yrs old father ? Abeg , let's move on and not deviate. You sound like you aren't here for civil discussion.

IDENNAA:



Ok , if we are going to have a smooth discussion let's not speak about things we don't know about. I have kindred men who bear Nwosu....now , do you know more than my 80yrs old father ? Abeg , let's move on and not deviate. You sound like you aren't here for civil discussion.