SlayerForever:



You shouldn't have told him the name! I swear he didn't know!

Now that they have known the name, they will start revisionism by affixing "R" in front of the name and it will become George R Oruigbiji. Remember what they did in Ikwerre land through their wartime governor of River state? Watch him go back to his community to inform them that he has found out the real name of the Opobo Igbo king. The next after discussing with his village people is to come back to nairaland to create a thread about George R Oruigbiji.

nengibo:

Is citizenship by acculturation foreign to people who practice Osu culture

Acculturation from who to who?
Anna Pepple was an Igbo man. His real name was George Oruigbiji

nengibo:

You discuss another Man's culture and identity but yours is sacrosanct, tell me you don't find that funny

I can see you know nothing about this topic and you are arguing blindly from what you read on internet why are you avoiding me?
Well let me enlighten you a little,
First of all, you are looking at OSU from an igbo unity empire, igbos never had a United empire like the benins, hausa's yoruba's etc such never existed
Igbos were made up of different clans and these clans had different beliefs rituals and taboos that differ from each other

An OSU from one igbo clan will not be regarded as an OSU in another igbo clan
One family can consider another family as OSU but not an entire clan
A man will commit abomination in his clan and be banished he will take refuge in another clan and will not be an OSU in that clan, someone banished amongst his people can take refuge amongst his mothers people and won't be an OSU there

Some people made themselves OSU amongst their people by joining secret cults and bind themselves with oaths that made them OSUs amongst their people, families of chief priests that served some particular gods were OSUs cause of some certain oaths they were under. I can go on and on

Igbo Unity came to be as a result of the colonizers whom found it easier to conquer ethics groups under United empire's with rulers
Hope you understand? I can go further if you still don't get it

BiafraInc:

LIAR!! Ijaws in Ondo have their spoken language which they use in their everyday life. They speak Yoruba only because there are Yoruba people in their proximity. How would you explain Igbo language being the only spoken language in Opobo and Bonny. No comparison to Ijaws of Ondo who speaks their own Ijaw dialect during their everyday activities.

Lol... You do argue blindly. Igbobini, ojuala etc are some of the ijaws clan that speak strictly Yoruba.

IDENNAA:


While it may not be the only factor , language is a strong pointer to the origin of a people because languages are not easily lost. It was language that we used to silence Onicha's Bini ancestry claims because there was no traces of a lost language.

If the people if Opobo and Bonny make claims of losing their Ijaw language to Igbo then they are shooting themselves in the foot .... 1. Because there are patterns of language developments and extinction , 2. It means they were outnumbered which would them Igbo etc.

A king in Opobo don open him mouth and say they are not Igbos, yet, you're still here arguing up and down... Are you even from Opobo

mrksquare:



https://m.guardian.ng/news/nigerian-languages-going-into-extinction-nico/

What is this one There's no even tangible point in it.

IDENNAA:



Bros , this your explanation did not make a danm sense , please. There is no way marrying women who speak a different language into your culture will completely change the language of your people because these women would still be in the minority. Unless over 70% of your men decides to marry Igbo women which would be strange , lie and unbelievable. And stop using bride price as an excuse.

Mrksquare you dey hear?

nengibo:


You must have notice that the Towns, Titles and Naming are in a language foreign to Igbo , names like Jubojubo(Anglicized to Jaja), Opubo(Opobo),Minima, Ogolo, Fubarakuro,Patesi, Daminabo, Asiparabietogha(Anglicized to Cyprian) , Titles like Amanyanabo, Senibo, Alabo, Amaopuorubo etc , this language like its people is called Ibani egere and is still spoken till today


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2M_KnhUXxw

https://www.facebook.com/Ibigonialagbariya/videos/767126173380101/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBNxu9SSUpc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJOzDKQ6A_o

https://www.ethnologue.com/language/iby

The names of people and places you listed are for the few Ijo migrants in Opopo. Watch the video below to hear the names of the original owners of the land, the Igbos, and their dialect in Opobo.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYOOWbKeFB8

BiafraInc:




The names of people and places you listed are for the few Ijo migrants in Opopo. Watch the video below to hear the names of the original owners of the land, the Igbos, and their dialect in Opobo.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYOOWbKeFB8

Thank you.

BiafraInc:

Now that they have known the name, they will start revisionism by affixing "R" in front of the name and it will become George R Oruigbiji. Remember what they did in Ikwerre land through their wartime governor of River state? Watch him go back to his community to inform them that he has found out the real name of the Opobo Igbo king. The next after discussing with his village people is to come back to nairaland to create a thread about George R Oruigbiji.

I swear


But they have failed!

BiafraInc:

Your so-called General Minimah is part of the Ijo migrants into Opobo. Same as we have some elements of Bini migrants into Anioma. What again is the spoken language in Opobo?

Minimah is pure Ndoki. Just like Asimini. Mini = Miri which means Water in central Igbo.

Don't pay heed to that niggar. This doesn't negate the fact that there also borrowed Ijo names over there due to centuries of cultural adaptation.

Eastlink:
Minimah is pure Ndoki. Just like Asimini. Mini = Miri which means Water in central Igbo.

Don't pay heed to that niggar. This doesn't negate the fact that there also borrowed Ijo names over there due to centuries of cultural adaptation.

Thanks for this correction. Mini, Mmini, Miri, Mmiri, Mili, Mmili, all means Water in Igbo language, depending on the dialect one is speaking. Thanks once again for this correction.

AfricanColumbus:



Please what does Opu-Obu mean?

Obu in Ndoki is courtyard in central Igbo it's Obi and in some dialect it's Ovu.

In Igbo culture, Obu is usually where the elder or Eze sits as his palace or welcomes visitors. Opu on the other hand is cap. For example Opu Agu is the cap made popular by the Aros. Opobo and Bonny people wear this cap during their Nwaottam festival. In the past it was a special cap for chiefs and wealthy men.

Hope you can now decipher the symbolic meaning of the name Opu-Obu. In Igbo when you pronounce the two words together it becomes Opubo.

Opu-Obu which became the name of Opubo the Great the ancestor of Annie Pepple house means a true royalty.

And when King Pepple 11 was interviewed by an English writer when he was in Fernando Po, he said his ancestors originated from Igboland. Now we know this part of Igboland he meant. Ndoki is the place as that name Obu connects with Bonny Igbo dialect.

Eastlink:
Obu in Ndoki is courtyard in central Igbo it's Obi and in some dialect it's Ovu.

In Igbo culture, Obu is usually where the elder or Eze sits as his palace or welcomes visitors. Opu on the other hand is cap. For example Opu Agu is the cap made popular by the Aros. Opobo and Bonny people wear this cap during their Nwaottam festival. In the past it was a special for chiefs and wealthy men.

Hope you can now decipher the symbolic meaning of the name Opu-Obu. In Igbo when you pronounce the two words together it becomes Opubo.

Opu-Obu which became the name of Opubo the Great the ancestor of Annie Pepple house means a true royalty.

Wow!!!!

AfricanColumbus:


Wow!!!!

You’re welcome.

BiafraInc:

Thanks for this correction. Mini, Mmini, Miri, Mmiri, Mili, Mmili, all means Water in Igbo language, depending on the dialect one is speaking. Thanks once again for this correction.

Bless you.

Eastlink:
You’re welcome.

Apparently, you know a lot about the area!

Double post.

Now if we check Bonny oral history as told by themselves. This they also told the British. They left Ndoki through the Imo river to their present location in Bonny. Infact when they got there, they named the vast Island Okoloma. Okoloma is one of the villages in Ndoki. This tells you that the Bonny ancestors gave Bonny her name after their homeland in Ndoki. Okoloma might also mean several things in Ndoki.

Interestingly, Okoloma is the native name for Bonny just like Eko is to Lagos. And as those in Lagos, Bonny people still call their home Okoloma.

Consequently, the leader of the Ndoki people who led the party that founded this Island went by the name Okpara Ndoli. Okpara in Igbo means first son. Ndoli is his native Igbo name. So it meant he was the head of his clan. Again among those that joined him were Ndoki sons like Asimini, Opuamakuba and Alagbariya.

Opuamakuba = Opuama (Community cap) + Ka (Greater) + Uba (Wealth). So Opuamakuba in Ndoki means the Royal Cap of the community is greater than wealth.

Asimini = Azu + Mini meaning back of the water or the other side of the river in central Igbo. Azu is back in Igbo, like Azuka, Azubike and Azukiwe (Azikiwe). Asi is the variant in Ndoki.

Alagbariya is another name with Igbo meaning. Ala means land or earth. Alagbariya might mean Ala is stronger. Like Ahiriya a praise name to call something or somebody strong. It means one you cannot overwhelm or win in Ndoki, Bonny and Opobo.

So all the parties in the foundation etc are all Ndoki native names. All Bonny indigenes trace their ancestry to these men. These are the original houses in Bonny. However, a few house was created along the line to absord some hinterland Igbo slaves and also some Ijo migrants.

Asimini was the first true King of Bonny. He heralded Bonny greatness and till date his children have remained Kings. The house of Halliday and Pepple who ruled Bonny trace their ancestry to Asimini.

King Jaha of Opobo , a great man indeed

Eastlink:
Now if we check Bonny oral history as told by themselves. This they also told the British. They left Ndoki through the Imo river to their present location in Bonny. Infact when they got there, the named the vast Island Okoloma. Okoloma is one of the villages in Ndoki. This tells you that the Bonny ancestors gave Bonny her name after their homeland in Ndoki. Okoloma might also mean several things in Ndoki.

Interestingly, Okoloma is the native name for Bonny just like Eko is to Lagos. And as those in Lagos, Bonny people still call their home Okoloma.

Consequently, the leader of the Ndoki people who led the party that founded this Island went by the name Okpara Ndoli. Okpara in Igbo means first son. Ndoli is his native Igbo name. So it meant he was the head of his clan. Again among those that joined him were Ndoki sons like Opuamakuba and Alagbariya.

Opuamakuba in Ndoki means the Royal Cap of the community is greater than wealth

Asimini
Alagbariya other parties in the foundation etc are all Ndoki native names. All Bonny indigenes trace their ancestry to these men. These are the original houses in Bonny. However, a few house was created along the line to absord some hinterland Igbo slaves and also some Ijo migrants. Whether you come from Hart, Pepple, etc.

If you would allow me sir, why does the Bonny area in today's Nigeria appear to have foreign Ijaw names? How did this come to be?

Ijaw is being D-E-S-T-R-O-Y-E-D on this thread.

Fatality left and right.

AfricanColumbus:




If you would allow me sir, why does the Bonny area in today's Nigeria appear to have foreign Ijaw names? How did this come to be?

Cultural borrowing. The Ijaws who were traditionally sea dwellers and who relied on fish for sustainability migrated enmass to the eastern flank. The explosion of Ijaw population in the Niger-Delta might have seen much cultural borrowing which influence Bonny and other coastal communities in the Niger-Delta, such as the Andoni, Obolo, Ogbia, Okrika, Nembe, Degema, and Ilaje etc.

Ijaw original homeland just like Ogoni is located in the present Togo/Ghana area. Some historians say that Ijaws came to their present location as porters with the Portuguese. While other historians say that Ijaws are the aboriginal people in what is known as the southern part of Nigeria. But looking at the both version, one will flow with the Togo/Ghana origin of the Ijaws. That's because every southern ethnic group in Nigeria are inter-related in language except the Ijaws.

DoggoneDogg:


Lagos belongs to Igbos

How ?

AfricanColumbus:



Apparently, you know a lot about the area!

I’m a lover of history and I read widely.

musicwriter:


As long as we operate with THEIR language, education, religion, we'll forever remain under their influence even if Britain migrate to the moon. Desmond Elliot (an English name and probably a better colonialist) or you or me isn't an exception. But, of course, some are always going to be better than others.

Brother, I beg to differ on the aforementioned. Their “formal” education has in no way hindered our development.

Take a look at Hongkong, Singapore; these are all former British colonies. They have all surpassed us in human development index.

I think our core problem is avarice. And our politicians and elites are no different:
The money spent on 2021 Bentley can build Several tomato paste factories for the indigenes of Warri.

Money spent renting private jets to “that” wedding in the north could set up a orange processing plant in the north. Visit Iyana iba and see oranges gone to waste. No refrigerated trucks.

It’s sad being a Nigerian at times.

Christistruth00:



How ?

Ijo man with his usual prank. Seeing that you’ve been beaten you now want to play the old prank by using other ethnic group as bait to fight Igbos. You can only deceive those who don't understand the game.

If you like resurrect your Urhobo, Ibibio, Benin and Yoruba moniker to divert the attention of the thread, we full ground. The “We Niger-Delta” should take note.

owagbeba:


Brother, I beg to differ on the aforementioned. Their “formal” education has in no way hindered our development.

Take a look at Hongkong, Singapore; these are all former British colonies. They have all surpassed us in human development index.

I think our core problem is avarice. And our politicians and elites are no different:
The money spent on 2021 Bentley can build Several tomato paste factories for the indigenes of Warri.

Money spent renting private jets to “that” wedding in the north could set up a orange processing plant in the north. Visit Iyana iba and see oranges gone to waste. No refrigerated trucks.

It’s sad being a Nigerian at times.

Every time, ''Hong Kong, Singapore''. Those were specially chosen client states of the west, chosen by colonialists after WW2 to be capitalist bulwarks against rampaging Soviet communism.

The west after WW2 gave the four or five Asian 'tiger' states free access to western markets, free technology transfer, outright financial grants and highly favourable loans to create capitalist, industrialised states to keep communist Soviets at bay.

To know the REAL southeast Asia, go to Cambodia, Burma (Myanmar), Nepal, Bangladesh, North Korea, etc. Those countries are poorer than many African nations. That is how those Asian Tigers would be without the western intervention, decades ago.

Christistruth00:



How ?

What tribe is your landlord??

Rossinkipp:


Every time, ''Hong Kong, Singapore''. Those were specially chosen client states of the west, chosen by colonialists after WW2 to be capitalist bulwarks against rampaging Soviet communism.

The west after WW2 gave the four or five Asian 'tiger' states free access to western markets, free technology transfer, outright financial grants and highly favourable loans to create capitalist, industrialised states to keep communist Soviets at bay.

To know the REAL southeast Asia, go to Cambodia, Burma (Myanmar), Nepal, Bangladesh, North Korea, etc. Those countries are poorer than many African nations. That is how those Asian Tigers would be without the western intervention, decades ago.

There are so many other states that have become successful despite having a colonial legacy. Many of them are by far better than Nigeria. South Africa comes to mind.

You see, I don’t think we should pin our failure to develop on British rule. I really don’t see the correlation between the red mud, pot-holed road that I take to work everyday and the colonial episode.

What I see if a fat prikk in government who has gotten a contract to fix this damn road but has decided to do nothing and buy a Benz with the funds; and share the remainder with his goons. Even if I write several petitions against him... it amounts to nothing, waste of time. He is my problem.. not the Brits.

owagbeba:


Brother, I beg to differ on the aforementioned. Their “formal” education has in no way hindered our development.

Take a look at Hongkong, Singapore; these are all former British colonies. They have all surpassed us in human development index.

I think our core problem is avarice. And our politicians and elites are no different:
The money spent on 2021 Bentley can build Several tomato paste factories for the indigenes of Warri.

Money spent renting private jets to “that” wedding in the north could set up a orange processing plant in the north. Visit Iyana iba and see oranges gone to waste. No refrigerated trucks.

It’s sad being a Nigerian at times.

First of all, the population of both Singapore and Hong Kong are less than the population of Lagos state. You could find some local government area (LGA) in Nigeria that are bigger than Singapore. So it's not a good example to judge things in this case because it would be very misleading. However, if you cut out Victoria Island or Bonny Island both here in Nigeria, they'll match Singapore and Hong Kong. In that case we can also say Nigeria is doing well.

Having said that, be informed that the wealth in Hong Kong and Singapore belong to foreign investors not the natives. The citizens of those countries are just people who could be rented to work in factories for Europeans, Chinese, Americans. The citizens of both countries are highly trained to work for foreigners in their country. As a matter of fact, foreigners once outnumbered Singaporean citizens in their own country!! Those countries are much like South Africa. The wealth there belong to foreigners.

Eastlink:
Obu in Ndoki is courtyard in central Igbo it's Obi and in some dialect it's Ovu.

In Igbo culture, Obu is usually where the elder or Eze sits as his palace or welcomes visitors. Opu on the other hand is cap. For example Opu Agu is the cap made popular by the Aros. Opobo and Bonny people wear this cap during their Nwaottam festival. In the past it was a special cap for chiefs and wealthy men.

Hope you can now decipher the symbolic meaning of the name Opu-Obu. In Igbo when you pronounce the two words together it becomes Opubo.

Opu-Obu which became the name of Opubo the Great the ancestor of Annie Pepple house means a true royalty.

And when King Pepple 11 was interviewed by an English writer when he was in Fernando Po, he said his ancestors originated from Igboland. Now we know this part of Igboland he meant. Ndoki is the place as that name Obu connects with Bonny Igbo dialect.

In Idemmili where I come from and Onicha Obi/Obu is called Iba...Igbo is quite diverse