DappaD:


Your question is what we’ll call a non sequitur because it makes no sense and doesn’t follow the way of reasoning in this discussion.
The question was, you can honor someone you don’t worship, but can you worship someone you don’t honor? Only requires yes or no.

freshboi88:

Hahaha....see dem they can't answer a simple question. Does Honoring my earthly father equate to Honoring Jehovah?because honoring Jesus equates to honoring the Jehovah

MaxInDHouse:
My friend don't mind Maximus and DappaD, you've won a bigger trophy today for this wonderful argument!

freshboi88:

I can't remember having this debate with u. U jumped into the arguement. So if u r too dull for the debate y not crawl back into the hole u came from.

DappaD:


Your question is what we’ll call a non sequitur because it makes no sense and doesn’t follow the way of reasoning in this discussion.
The question was, you can honor someone you don’t worship, but can you worship someone you don’t honor? Only requires yes or no.

freshboi88:

The answer to your question is the answer to this question which u would provide.
Can u sesperate honoring Jehovah and worshipping Him?

Barristter07:


The Father called humans " God's " as well. The question remains: Unlike Jesus calling the Father MY God , is there anywhere the Father address Jesus as " My God " ? The scripture you quoted never said My God.

Emphasis on " MY "

freshboi88:


The answer to your question is the answer to this question which u would provide.

Can u sesperate honoring Jehovah and worshipping Him?

Nancy2020:
is like saying is your spirit alive

#1
Or saying is your spirit part of man, is it that you actually find it hard to understand how you are created.

#2.
God is the father the son the holy spirit all in God.
Man is body soul and spirit all inside man.

Hismasterpiece:


I'll as you some questions to put this argument to rest and please answer them honestly.

1. Who was God referring to when He said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.'

2. What do you have to say about these scriptures -

Act_13:2. As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, "Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them." (Does a force speak)?

Act 8:29. Then the Spirit said to Philip, "Go near and overtake this chariot."

Act_10:19 While Peter thought about the vision, the Spirit said to him, "Behold, three men are seeking you.


Do they or do they not show that the Holy Spirit is a person? Isn't it only people that speak?

There are other scriptures like John 16:7-8, John 16:13-15 where Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit as He or Him. But i won't post them. You can check them out for yourself.

However, please answer my question honestly.

Janosky:

Yes.
Triune deities devotees can be obedient children who later become adults who care for their aged parents.

But do Triune deities devotees worship JEHOVAH God?
No.

Triune deities devotees worship 3 Gods.

Your parents maybe idol worshippers but you obey them, you are honoring Jehovah.
Obey your parents is His Command.
But, you worship the ancestors of your parents.
Are you worshipping JEHOVAH God?
No.


Worship and Honor has a huge gulf.

freshboi88:


So answer this question. When u Honor Jehovah, u r not worshipping him ?

Barristter07:


I believe you are knowledgeable enough to take the dictionary and check the meaning of honor. Kindly do, it answers that question.

Secondly, that Greek word doesn't denote worship. If it does, we would be worshipping our parents.

freshboi88:


Dnt shift the arguement to parents......that verse was talking about Jehovah.

Pls differentiate between honoring Jehovah and Worshipping Jehovah.

1. When u prostrate n fall face down before Jehovah is it honour or worship?

2. When u sing songs of thanksgiving and praises to Jehovah is it honour or worship ?

3. When u speak words of praise and thanksgiving to Jehovah is it honor or worship?

Answer these questions and see your delusion

Barristter07:


If you paid attention , I demonstrated earlier with proof that the Greek word for Honor as it applies to Jehovah , was also applied to parents . That Greek word does not mean worship. English doesn't support your view as well. It's a futile effort at ignorance Sir.

Here is a challenge: Prove that the Greek word translated honor means worship and we will end this discussion. !

freshboi88:


These are things people do n I believe u do. So answer this question.

1. When u prostrate n fall face down before Jehovah is it honour or worship?

2. When u sing songs of thanksgiving and praises to Jehovah is it honour or worship ?

3. When u speak words of praise and thanksgiving to Jehovah is it honor or worship?

Your refusal to answer these questions shows how slimy n slippery u r just like the serpent.

Barristter07:


The questions are stupid cos they reveal a low IQ, I respect facts , not emotions. Honor and worship are not the same thing. only an ignorant person mix them.

I pose a challenge. Show me worship in the
meaning of the Greek word translated honor and I will end this discussion.

freshboi88:


If they represent a low IQ then u shouldn't have a problem answering them would u. I ask again
1. When u prostrate n fall face down before Jehovah is it honour or worship?

2. When u sing songs of thanksgiving and praises to Jehovah is it honour or worship ?

3. When u speak words of praise and thanksgiving to Jehovah is it honor or worship?

Help us unmix them bros

All I am asking u to do is differentiate between honoring and worshipping Jehovah using the questions I asked u.


If u can't, then is it not evident u have a lower IQ

Barristter07:


I can't because the Evidence speaks for itself. This is why you run from my challenge,

The word in English and Greek does not mean worship. CASE CLOSED.

I will like to know your view anyway about your questions though

freshboi88:


Ole......use the evidence that speaks for itself to answer the questions. You say there is a difference between honour and worship.

So tell us the diff using these examples. Notice this applies to Jehovah

1. When u prostrate n fall face down before Jehovah is it honour or worship?

2. When u sing songs of thanksgiving and praises to Jehovah is it honour or worship ?

3. When u speak words of praise and thanksgiving to Jehovah is it honor or worship?

It is only a fool that doesn't know that the meaning of a word can define different things when used in different context

Barristter07:


Okay show me with evidence: One English dictionary or Greek Concordance that says The word translated Honor can mean Worship ?

freshboi88:

The answer steers u right in d face

1. When u prostrate n fall face down before Jehovah is it honour or worship?

2. When u sing songs of thanksgiving and praises to Jehovah is it honour or worship ?

3. When u speak words of praise and thanksgiving to Jehovah is it honor or worship?

Differentiate between honor n worship with these examples

Barristter07:


No. use An English dictionary. Or a Greek concordance.

MaxInDHouse:


God never ask us to worship any of His servants but we must honour them as His representatives!

Janosky:


Bros, Why do you repeat your question I have responded to?
1.
According to Genesis, what did God create Last?
Who were the eye Witnesses of the last Creature?
Job 38:4-7..
Bros,study diligently and receive SENSE.

2[i].
@ Acts 13:2. 8:29. 10:19, Luke reported what God's finger inspired him to write.
In your Bible,everything attributed to holy spirit was reported by someone else.
Bros,Why?[/i]

You dodge the question I asked you earlier.
I ask you again:
Exodus 33:15-20, Jehovah had a one on one conversation with Moses.
Matthew 16:13-17, Jesus had one on one conversation with Peter.
Bros, who is the person, chapter & verse of any one on one conversation/chat with holy spirit?
Make we see am. Give the proof.

Your phone speaks,is it a person?
Your TV speaks,is it a person?
Your Radio speaks,is it a person?



Romans 8:16,26 KJV says "spirit itself".
It is the same SENSE we understand John 16:13-15.
Every Greek student knows that spirit (Greek pneuma ) has no gender.
For this reason, your KJV says "spirit itself" @Romans8:16,26.
Greek words for "Guide/Helper/Advocate" is Masculine gender, that is why John 16:13-15, personified spirit as "him/he."
Go ahead and confirm oooo

Hismasterpiece:

John 5:23 "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

MaxInDHouse:


Let everyone honour the representative sent by the President because whoever dishonour the representative surely dishonour the one who sent him.

Does the above makes any sense to you?

God said whoever touches His servant is like touching His eyeballs {Zechariah 2:8} so do you think God's prophets are literally God's eyeballs?

Well if you must know what you quoted simply means whoever dishonour God's servants dishonour God Himself who sent them!


I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

Compare to what Jesus said here: John 17

“I have made your name manifest to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word" :6

"because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me" :8

"I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them" :26

Jesus told us that Jehovah is his own father and our father, his God and our God {John 20:17} so we must honour God's servants as God's representatives but WORSHIP belongs only to JEHOVAH! Mark 12:29

freshboi88:


I should use an English dictionary to differentiate between honor n worship in the examples I gave u.

Well lemme put u out of your misery.

In all three examples.....we see a mixture between honor and worship.

While you are right that honor and worship are two different words and have different meaning when used for other beings

But when used for Jehovah both are intertwined. They cannot be separated. This is why I say so

1. Falling face down to created beings would be seen as honor but for Jehovah it is seen as both honor and worship.

2. Singing songs of praise and thanksgiving to created beings would be seen as honor but for Jehovah it is seen as both honor and worship

I know your brain cannot really take this but fault my logic if u can

John 5:23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

Jehovah says the only way to give him this kind of honor that is intertwined with worship of him is if u give it to the son. @bold number 2. For if u say that kind of honour is reserved for Jehovah alone then u are a liar, s child of satan. For honoring the son in that way is honoring Jehovah automatically.

Showing their unity. Showing that they are one and eternally inseparable.

Hope u have learnt today

Hismasterpiece:


John 5:23 "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

Hismasterpiece:


Worship belongs to only Jehovah, true. Even Jesus said so -
Mat_4:10 Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.'"

But Jesus was worshiped -
Mat 2:2 saying, "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him."

Mat_2:11 And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

But why didn't Jesus reject worship?
Mat_8:2 And behold, a leper came and worshiped Him, saying, "Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean."

Mat_9:18 While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, "My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live."

Mat_14:33 Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, "Truly You are the Son of God."

Mat_15:25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, "Lord, help me!"

Mat_28:9 And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, "Rejoice!" So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him.

Mat_28:17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.

Mar_5:6 When he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshiped Him.

Luk_24:52 And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy,

Joh_9:38 Then he said, "Lord, I believe!" And he worshiped Him.

Paul referred to Jesus as God -
Tit_2:13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

What do you have to say concerning these scriptures? Isn't the truth about Jesus glaringly obvious?

MaxInDHouse:


Let everyone honour the representative sent by the President because whoever dishonour the representative surely dishonour the one who sent him.

Does the above makes any sense to you?

God said whoever touches His servant is like touching His eyeballs {Zechariah 2:8} so do you think God's prophets are literally God's eyeballs?

Well if you must know what you quoted simply means whoever dishonour God's servants dishonour God Himself who sent them!


I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

Compare to what Jesus said here: John 17

“I have made your name manifest to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word" :6

"because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me" :8

"I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them" :26

Jesus told us that Jehovah is his own father and our father, his God and our God {John 20:17} so we must honour God's servants as God's representatives but WORSHIP belongs only to JEHOVAH! Mark 12:29

Hismasterpiece:

Worship belongs to only Jehovah, true. Even Jesus said so -
Mat_4:10 Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.'"
But Jesus was worshiped -
Mat 2:2 saying, "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him."
Mat_2:11 And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.
But why didn't Jesus reject worship?
Mat_8:2 And behold, a leper came and worshiped Him, saying, "Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean."
Mat_9:18 While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, "My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live."
Mat_14:33 Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, "Truly You are the Son of God."
Mat_15:25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, "Lord, help me!"
Mat_28:9 And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, "Rejoice!" So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him.
Mat_28:17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.
Mar_5:6 When he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshiped Him.
Luk_24:52 And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy,
Joh_9:38 Then he said, "Lord, I believe!" And he worshiped Him.

Paul referred to Jesus as God -
Tit_2:13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
What do you have to say concerning these scriptures? Isn't the truth about Jesus glaringly obvious?