nateevs:

@Ibime.

AVB will continue to rotate the players however, I am more concerned with the immediate consideration of finding the new Lampards and Drogbas . . They won't be here forever.

Ibime:

Super Frank has now scored 175 goals in 10 years at Chelsea. [b]That's 17.5 goals per game. [/b]Concentrate!

Ibime:

Super Frank has now scored 175 goals in 10 years at Chelsea. That's 17.5 goals per year. Concentrate!

I much respect AVB for being his own man and having the balls to go against the "untouchable" culture at Chelsea. That tells me AVB is his own man. . .but whilst stubborness is a virtue in management, his eyes should be open to the fact that you can't keep a good player down. The pass by Lamps to DD for which DD set-up Lamps is the kind of thing I've been telling Nateevs for years now. You need to pay attention to players who do the hard things very simply. If Lamps had taken DD's knockdown, shimmied and demo before playing the pass to DD, Nateevs woulda been raving for days. The fact is that pass is of a level that most players cannot match. No time to control, no time to demo, the technique used to deliver without pausing is an attribute of Frankies that not many can match.

Secondly, if you look at the control of the balls in the box before finishing his 1st and third goals, and the composure to pick his spot, you would appreciate such a player. Make no mistake about it, Ramires received similar service, but before he miscontrolled and took wild slashes at the ball, the ball went flying over. Power without control is nothing.

In addition, Lamps in the last 2 games has already outscored Torres whole Chelsea career. [size=18pt]If there's beef between the two players, AVB should shine his eyes well and stop backing the wrong horse. Infact I make bold to say that Torres is the one affecting Lamps (and the whole team structure) not vice-versa[/size].

Finally, like I posted on here, Lamps (in the middle of his worst run) has created the most chances for teammates in the EPL this season. The records show. I have not seen anything different in his game even through his bad spell except the absence of goals. He is still the consumate hard-worker from box-to-box, still has bags of stamina, still has a high percentage of successful (& first-time passes) and still influences the game by virtue of the fact he receives the ball more than anyone in the attacking third due to his high level of stamina.

I know some ninjas have been waiting for Fat Frank to fail since 2008, but from what I know about footie, a ninja of Lamps fitness levels will play at this level till 35. Infact, I'm backing him to score 200 goals for Chelsea before the end of his career.

Ibime:

Super Frank has now scored 175 goals in 10 years at Chelsea. That's 17.5 goals per game. Concentrate!

coogar:

and their best defender(wheater).

Ibime:

In addition, Lamps in the last 2 games has already outscored Torres whole Chelsea career. If there's beef between the two players, AVB should shine his eyes well and stop backing the wrong horse. Infact I make bold to say that Torres is the one affecting Lamps (and the whole team structure) not vice-versa.

Ok El Nino puts Lampy On his wrong side of his game then Exempts Mata and Ramires frm the Spell?

For Christ sake we're matured enuf to dig up Worthful arguements and not gibberish!

A true Football follower would tell u that Lampard has contributed to El Nino's Goal drought, thank Good heavens Mata was brought In - Who knows what our midfield story would have been!

El Guapo:

[color=#0066ff]Ok El Nino puts Lampy On his wrong side of his game then Exempts Mata and Ramires frm the Spell?

debosky:

What won't I read on this Chelski thread?
Ibime mathematics: 175 goals in 10 years = 17.5 goals per game.

Wheater is now Bolton's best defender?

Sharon is an obese, lactose intolerant phool!

Ibime:

I have years of history to show we're an 85 point a season team without Torres. Which ones you dey?

nateevs:

Look at the number of shots on target against Bolton and compare it to previous games and tell me if we were much better going forward than when Torres played. In-fact, against United, we had more shots on goal and only less 2 on target than we did against Bolton. What are you proving?

I am sorry dude but we were not better than when Torres played. We only 17 more passes than we did against WBA.
And as shown in the number of passes against United, you can see the number of passes seem to increase with the less quality in the opposition.

What's the difference? Very simple. On this day, Chelsea turned out to be more clinical with goals.
What's the coincidence? It's the poorest side in the League.

I am not using the stats to prove anything either except the fact that you, at this moment in time, have nothing substantial stats or otherwise, to suggest that team played better without Torres. . . Especially not after one game. I have 6 games of stats to throw that suggestion out.

Ibime:

I have years of history to show we're an 85 point a season team without Torres. Which ones you dey?

nateevs:

Look at the number of shots on target against Bolton and compare it to previous games and tell me if we were much better going forward than when Torres played. In-fact, against United, we had more shots on goal and only less 2 on target than we did against Bolton. What are you proving?
I am sorry dude but we were not better than when Torres played. We only 17 more passes than we did against WBA.
And as shown in the number of passes against United, you can see the number of passes seem to increase with the less quality in the opposition.
What's the difference? Very simple. On this day, Chelsea turned out to be more clinical with goals.
What's the coincidence? It's the poorest side in the League.
I am not using the stats to prove anything either except the fact that you, at this moment in time, have nothing substantial stats or otherwise, to suggest that team played better without Torres. . . Especially not after one game. I have 6 games of stats to throw that suggestion out.

nateevs:

I have got no idea how I read all that gibberish you typed. A proper football pundit would research facts before laying out sheer ignorance in public.

In the last 12 EPL games which spans over 2 sesaons, this is Bolton's form . . . . . . L L L L L L W L L L L L L

As a matter of fact, you have left out probably the most important factor to justify your empty argument. How can I even take you seriously?

Ibime:

I didn't even see the stats Nateevs put up cos I'm phone browsing.
How can someone try to explain 580 successful passes vs 463 with the flimsy excuse of "we were playing a poor team"?
Nateevs needs to go back to school.
Our passing output increased by over 25% without Torres in the team and this one is here misyarning.
Infact DK was being generous with this guy. How can someone pull up stats to prove his argument then end up proving his opponents argument? DK is trying to give him an escape route by labelling this show of stupidity as a lack of footie knowledge. I would not be so kind. This is an EDUCATIONAL and INTELLECTUAL failing on Nateevs part. Hehehehehe.

nateevs:

I have got no idea how I read all that gibberish you typed. A proper football pundit would research facts before laying out sheer ignorance in public.

In the last 12 EPL games which spans over 2 sesaons, this is Bolton's form . . . . . . L L L L L L W L L L L L L

As a matter of fact, you have left out probably the most important factor to justify your empty argument. How can I even take you seriously?

coogar:

don't mind the charlatans, nateevs. . . . . . .ibime and dayokanu would type anything to satisfy their [i]e[/i]rections over torres! bringing up stats against bolton(the bottom team after 7 games). had torres played that match, he would have gotten a double hatrick.
any striker that can score against man utd, would score against bolton!
bolton were dire - if ibime thinks lampard has arrived cos he scored a hatrick against that hapless bolton team then ibime is a bigger ninny than i thunk. david luiz carried the ball for 70 yards twice without any challenges from bolton. that resulted into few of the goals in the first half!

we shall see lampard when chelsea face man city or tottenham soon!

dayokanu:

How did Torres perform again struggling teams like WBA, Sunderland, Norwich etc?

EVIDENCE
Averaged 463 succesfull passes in 6 games. WHile vs Bolton It shot up to 580.

nateevs:

Hehehehehe. . .

How can I begin to laugh at you both? You guys have turned yourselves into clowns in an attempt to prove something.
Firstly, how dumb can you be to draw any sort of conclusion from a single event? Not anywhere in history has anyone been able to draw and sort of inference from a single event.

You both possess[b] immense stupidity[/b] to take a single game and suggest that based on on stats from that game, Torres does worse with the team. You then go ahead and isolate that single statistical evidence, ignoring any other mitigating and/or enhancing factors and then totally draw an inference. If anything at all, based on this act of stupendous idiocy, I should not be having any sort of conversation with you both.

Imagine Dayo taking the average of six events, then comparing the result with the outcome of a single event and then telling others they are silly for not accepting. . . I am lost for words to call you. He even had the audacity to use the clause[b] "It shot up" [/b]

Dayo is making us believe that this single piece of empirical evidence carries more weight than the result/average of 6 events. You are dumb, st.upid, senseless and sending you to school has been a sheer waste of meaningful resources.

If after this post you still maintain your stance Dayo and Ibime, you both will go down as the most deluded pair of idiots on this forum.

coogar:

that is irrelevant!
i scored 390 in jamb, and you are asking me why i scored 100 in poly-jamb?
does that make sense?

dayokanu:

Walcott scored against Man Utd, How did he perform in the Poly jambs of Tottenham, Blackburn, Swansea and Bolton
Crouch scored against Man utd, How has he performed in the Poly Jambs Sunderland, Swansea etc,