nateevs:

The problem is YOU jumped into a topic you don't know anything about. Dayo was asking for the sources of my stats not because he challenging the source but because he wanted to know. After numerous pleas, I gave him the source. THen you come with your garbage which at that time is utterly irrelevant ad out of place.

Why should I not ask what purpose your post serves then?

dayokanu:

And AVB suddenly became competent, Sturridge and Mata suddenly found their groove and all the stars miraculously aligned when one player left the team

dayokanu:

Can you show us the statistics which showed United were better off without Ruud and Keane?

dayokanu:

I'm sure you are having a laugh at the nonsense you posted above.

WOuld United even talk about a Nou Camp victory without Roy Keanes performance in Turin?

Maybe if you have had Roy Keane grit in the middle you wouldnt have been overran by Barcelona both times.

Do you recognize that The Man Utd  EPL of 2003-2006 faced many challenges which the 2007-2011 didnt

Arsenal at the peak of their powers vs Arsenal that has become a joke right now

A roman Abromovic neaveau riche Chelsea which took everyone by surprise vs this one?

One of Europes best managers Jose Mourinho in the league vs idiots in the 2007-2011 era like Daglish, Keegan, Mark Hughes, Mancini and a senile Wenger

Ibime:

Hahaha. Nateevs will get back at DK tonight after we slash Genk 5-0.

Guys, just watch the combinations in midfield between Fat Frank and Meireles. You would know that Ramires should not be smelling first team. This midfield is our first choice midfield with Mikel and Romeu fighting for DM. Would go with Mikel except against teams that like to counterattack

nateevs:


The danger with arguing like this is when Torres returns and we go on to thrash a mid-table team 6-0 and Torres gets two, what then will be the argument?

Unless you are arguing it is impossible to score 4 goals when Torres plays. . .
I am going to not get into any arguments until Torres returns. Only then, IMO can we make sound and reasonable conclusions.

El Guapo:

What El Nino Said could be taken as a Wake UP Call for the Sloppy, Sleeping Midfielders we parade.

AVB Saw a need in what Torres was Moaning for that he had Frank benched for a game, obviously to Spur him UP and alas he got a Hat-trick and it looks like the Famous SW6 No8 Is back to his best again.

Ibime:

Torres is back ninjas!

I mean not after calling him a Lazy Overrated Point man!

Ibime:

Na, its Torres game that improved, not Frank. Frank has been playing the same way since forever, just that some myopic individuals thought cos he wasn't scoring, his game was degenerating. Like I pointed out at the time Torres made his complaint, Lamps had created the most chances in the Prem whilst Torres improvement only came after that complaint.

Hmmm. . . Ibime i still found the Words in bold cabalistic!

For what it stands, dont u think it should have been

"Torres improvement only came after the acquisition of Mata and emergence of Sturridge at the Right flank of our attack hence giving him the confidence to be a shadow of his fmr self"

lalaboi:

Ibime is just confused . . . . Allow him na!

El Guapo:

"Torres improvement only came after the acquisition of Mata and emergence of Sturridge at the Right flank of our attack hence giving him the confidence to be a shadow of his fmr self"

Ibime:

Torres had to man up after making the complaint cos the spotlight was on him. . . . he had to sink or swim. . . and he swam. Simples!

coogar:

manager was bold. he benched the big egos - he worked out the combo that would suit torres' style of play and he got the winning formular.
lampard had to step up his game. lampard had to sink or swim(not torres). if the passing is quick, strikers will get chances before defenders regroup.
torres is a world class striker and for £50m, the team should be built around him.

Ibime:

You talking rubbish hombre. . . the Chelsea style of yesterday is the same style we have been playing for the last 3 years. . . . 4-3-3 with wing-backs pushed up. Nothing has changed except Torres.
It was the same style we used when Torres was suspended and its up to Torres to fit in with the players around him, not vice-versa.

Chelsea's "slow and boring" build-up was simply the way we used to play when we were trying to fit Torres in the team and started playing 4-4-2 and other silly formations with Torres and DD upfront, sometimes Torres, DD and Anelka sef.

Imagine nincompoops talking about slow and boring build-up. Does that explain why Torres was unable to run faster than Paulo Ferreira, or why he kept misplacing passes or get swatted off the ball like a fly?

One simple point defeats your whole argument - WHAT BORING AND SLOW FOOTIE WERE SPAIN PLAYING THAT MADE TORRES A DUD?