2muchlogic:


Scrap the titles, the system is rotten; we need to elect ethical politicians and if they do not perform - bye, bye.  

The Alaafin, the Ooni, and the Obas should do their job of protecting and promoting Yoruba culture, which in turn will promote tourism – they need to stay out of politics.  As Yoruba people we need to move forward and start encouraging worldclass leadership, based on meritocracy, without interference from people who have power due to their birth.

dayokanu:

The family of the Keneddies have been contesting elections ever since and been winning

dayokanu:

Bill Clintons wife contested for the Democratic ticket

dayokanu:

George H Bush sons were President and Governor of Florida

dayokanu:

I ask whats wrong with Tinubus wife being Senator?

naijababe:

Seems to me like you after Utopia. Good luck with that

aribisala0:

awolowo,wole soyinka,fela, have all done more for yorubas than bola tinubu and did not get any yorubaland titles.
such titles is a residual embarassing habit of yorubas. inane and vacuous. people in public service do not need this.
it is embarassing that people who went to school are advocating this.

what title do you give the people who invented the internet, ipod , washing machine etc. we are here talking asiwaju .
no wonder some people call us monkeys
yorubaland ko africa ni

2muchlogic:

So serving with transparency, excellence, ethics and accountability is seeking Utopia? You are the ultimate pessimist 

naijababe:

Okay this is part I want you to pay attention to due to their birth.

It's a fact of life that some people are simply going to get ahead by virtue of their birth, from America to Nigeria or wherever.

[size=15pt]As Yoruba people we need to move forward and start encouraging worldclass leadership, based on meritocracy, without interference from people who have power due to their birth.[/size]

Hillary is a world class Lawyer who met bill at princeton (an Ivy league university), they both participated in a political career. She did not cook egusi soup and eba for 10 years then wake up and say she wanted to be a politician.

Yes, Dubya was the son of Bush and GOD told him in church one day to be the president of the land of the free - we all know what the result was. Thats what happens when corruption prevails and one family gets its way, do you see Jebb Bush running anytime soon? Do we Yoruba people want to follow that kind of example?

dayokanu:

Remi is a Lawyer, trained in Ife, One of the best University in Nigeria and is now a Senator

Draw parallels

dayokanu:

If it happens in advanced America why not in Nigeria?

[size=13pt]Yes, Dubya was the son of Bush and GOD told him in church one day to be the president of the land of the free - we all know what the result was.  Thats what happens when corruption prevails and one family gets its way, do you see Jebb Bush running anytime soon? Do we Yoruba people want to follow that kind of example? [/size]

naijababe:

Awo was Asiwaju for your information and also a politician, the others showed no interest in chieftancy titles and hence were not conferred with any. While I have no interest in titles personally, I see no reason to claim any moral or human superiority over those who do. The queen still confers titles, does that make the the Brits monkeys ?  

Maybe this link will help you understand why some people think an  Asiwaju has to be chosen.

http://www.nigerdeltacongress.com/harticles/how_obafemi_awolowo_became_the_l.htm

aribisala0:

who conferred awo  with this title and when.

i was in secondary school in the second republic and do not recall him being addressed as asiwaju,ever.
the queen does not confer titles there are hereditary titles,political peerages and merit awards. merit awards are graded and open to all.
having said that even if she did does that make if right.
getting validation from "the Brits do it so it must be a good thing" is a mindset we must be vigilant to ward off.

2muchlogic:

Draw parallels between a former housewife and full-time professional lady like Hilary or between Princeton and Ife which one?

Wizardofoz:

^^^^

Remi Tinubu is not a lawyer

He was an education major at Ife!



That said, it is unfair to compare Remi with Hillary

Hillary was and is still a pace-setter

Hillary is Obinrin -metta

Mrs Oluremi Tinubu was born on September 21st 1960 as the twelfth child of Chief and Mrs. John Ikusebiala (Odugbesan) of Ogun State. She had her secondary education at Our Lady of Apostles Secondary School Ijebu-Ode. She holds a Bachelor of [size=18pt]Science Degree in Education[/size] (Biology) from University of Ife, now known as the Obafemi Awolowo University as well as a National Certificate of Education in Botany and Zoology from the Adeyemi College of Education.

http://www.believeinremitinubu.com/1/biography

2muchlogic:

Draw parallels between a former housewife and full-time professional lady like Hilary or between Princeton and Ife which one? 

2muchlogic:

Are you comparing the Tinubu's with the Kennedy's? have fun  

Hillary is a world class Lawyer who met bill at princeton (an Ivy league university), they both participated in a political career.  She did not cook egusi soup and eba for 10 years then wake up and say she wanted to be a politician.

aribisala0:

such titles is a residual embarassing habit of yorubas. inane and vacuous. people in public service do not need this.
it is embarassing that people who went to school are advocating this.
. . . no wonder some people call us monkeys
yorubaland ko africa ni

dayokanu:

Stranger

There is something called BSc Ed and BA ed

BSc Ed for those who studied Science Education e.g Biology Education etc

Wizardofoz:

I totally understand!

She did her NCE at Adeyemi College of education, which I accept is true. But the notion that she actually completed her studies at Ife? I seriously doubt it.

The whole Idea that she went to ife surfaced during her senate run. It was well known in Lagos during Tinubu's era that she only had NCE certificate. Of course, there is nothing wrong with that, but to drop Mamora, a former Lagos-State speaker and MBBS holder from "Oba Awon University" for her, they had to justify that move; hence, the whole She went to ife crap!

Who were her classmates at Ife?

naijababe:

Jisox of Olodi Apapa   . Na which kain conjecture be dis? Unless you have proof, isn't it a tad malicious to say this about her because u dont agree with her selection?  Mehn, sometimes sha u dey surprise me o 

aribisala0:

@OAM

sorry

but you need to look @ where and how it started

Wizardofoz:

Oyinbo nla le n lo ni? You know sey me I no sabi too many oyinbo. especially the avant garde type that flow so effortlessly from your hand.

Anyway, I agree with you that my last post WRT Remi's academic profile is riddled with conjectures. That Bola Ahmed Tinubu's name isnt Bola Ahmed is nothing but conjecture, that has now been accepted as true. The notion that Tinubu is not from lagos started out as, guess what, mere conjecture, of course, now we know better. That Abibatu Mogaji aka Iyaloja f isale Eko isnt really Tinubu's mother was mere conjecture, some years ago, that has withstood the test of time. That Bola Ahmed Tinubu did not attend University of Chicago started out as, well, without sounding redundant, mere hearsay, until Gani fawehinmi (RIP aka Baba rere) took it upon himself to find out the truth. We now know better.
That Bola Ahmed Tinubu was a drug dealer in Chicago, to his supporters, is mere conjecture because he didnt do any jail time. Not minding the fact that under Chicago law, accepting to forfeit almost half a million dollars, via a Nolo contendere plea = acceptance of guilt.

Because we prize truth backed up with facts and evidence, nowhere in our modern political life do we want to accept conjectures as truth, especially when it seems as some sort of politically motivated smear. Which is fine, except we also never end up talking about just where these rumors, hearsays, and conjectures come from. Meaning, where they come from INSIDE the people propagating them. As if most of these rumors were somehow just hard-wired, like facial look or bra-size; or automatically absorbed from thin air, like oxygen. As if most of the so called conjectures did not originate from people close to them.

The point is that,  in the day to day trenches of Nigerian politics, coupled with the rough terrain, lack of adequate record keeping, low quality journalism, and lawlessness, conjectures are all we have and in most cases, hearsays, bizarre as some may sound, have almost always turnout to be true.

Case in point: Remember, how shocking it was for us to hear that OBJ actually slept with his daughter. Nuff said!

KnowAll:

[size=18pt]Aara ona Kakanfo is the most prestigious Title in Yorubaland any other title is a short-changed title, the Alaafin of Oyo is [/size] [size=18pt]the only person that can confer that title on anyone. This new title by Ooni is a mordern day perversion and an abberation  that has little or no weight[/size].  

@dayokanu
Whats corrupt about Remi Tinubu representing her constituency at the senate?

@dayokanu
Princeton one of the best Univerisities in America, Ife one of the best Universities in Nigeria

naijababe:

So if a rumour / conjecture is repeated often enough it must be true ?   Well, remind me to never get on your wrong side cause you just might decide to start a rumour which I guess will be the truth if you can get enough people to repeat it  

isale_gan2:

You don't have a clue about blah blah blah

2muchlogic:

You are from isale eko so I can understand why you butted in with your rude remarks. If you are not smart enough to argue your points without insults and personal attacks then please feel free to ignore my comments. To be honest you got it all wrong, even your husband cap28 is a friend, carm down and stop being silly ma je kin binu si e

isale_gan2:

  This has taken a hilarious turn!  Leave Cap (and his wife which is not me) out of it.  I got enough to deal with.   

But please quote the insult, rude remarks and the personal attacks.  I repeated a word (which our ever-so-wonderful mod has asked me to remove) used by a poster.  That is all.  If someone (YOU) wishes to belittle a vital and natural part of womanhood, don't be surprised if someone (ME) who was born of a woman takes offense and reads them (YOU) the riot act.  Simple!  

isale_gan2:

I am not a supporter of Tinubu or his wife; I responded to what caught my eye.  Take it however you wish.

isale_gan2:

I reiterate my points in my earlier post above.  Feel free to refute any of them.  Read about the Kennedys and get some knowledge about Hilary Clinton and come back to me.