When Jesus was about to die before he claimed his father abandoned him!

Matthew 27:46
About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

Mark 15:34
And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

Forsaken means to abandon! Why would God abandon Jesus? Are they not one again (John 10:30 I and the Father are one)?

Why does Jesus have to utter such statement of disbelief in the LORD?

Moreover the writer of Psalm has this to say:

Psalm 94:14
For the LORD will not forsake his people; he will not abandon his heritage.

Psalm 37:28
For the LORD loves justice and will not forsake His saints. They are preserved forever, but the offspring of the wicked will be cut off.

Psalm 9:10
Those who know Your name trust in You, for You, O LORD, have not forsaken those who seek You.

Others:

1 Samuel 12:22
For the LORD will not forsake his people for his great name's sake: because it hath pleased the LORD to make you his people.

Romans 11:2
God did not reject (FORSAKE) His people, whom He foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says about Elijah, how he appealed to God against Israel:

So why did Jesus claim God Forsake/Abandon him when God will never forsake His saints/people?

Something must be wrong somewhere.

amnesty7:
Something must be wrong somewhere.

The name Anti-Christ already tells you that no answer would suffice, especially when this Anti Christ is Pro Mohammed.

Is there any Christ in Anti Christ?

So therefore, there is no need responding to the Anti Christ with Christ.
It is invalid an initio.

Dtruthspeaker:


The name Anti-Christ already tells you that no answer would suffice, especially when this Anti Christ is Pro Mohammed.

Can you explain why God was said to have abandoned His alleged son pls?

amnesty7:

Can you explain why God was said to have abandoned His alleged son pls?

I can, but I will not especially in this evil man's thread.

Dtruthspeaker:


I can, but I will not especially in this evil man's thread.

Just say you can't....nobody will crucify you.

Before you attempt to make sense out of nonsense...

Dtruthspeaker:


I can, but I will not especially in this evil man's thread.

Pls explain here so that we can all learn. The verse is surprising that Jesus cried that God has forsaken him.

sonmvayina:


Just say you can't....nobody will crucify you.

Before you attempt to make sense out of nonsense...

Still stupidly saying the same thing. No one is still going to crucify me as I have refused to answer the Op's Shit full Stupid question.

Actually, you have just crucified me because I exercised my right to refuse to answer.

So there you go, MURDERER.

amnesty7:

Pls explain here so that we can all learn. The verse is surprising that Jesus cried that God has forsaken him.

No reasonable person puts food in a dirty evil plate.

amnesty7:

Can you explain why God was said to have abandoned His alleged son pls?

Jesus was CRYING out to his father and God there because that's the only person who can SAVE him! Hebrews 5:7

But why was he talking that way?

Well Jesus is one of God's spirit sons in heaven before his life was transformed into an embryo in the womb of a Jewish virgin girl. He grew up to recover his memories of his past life in the spirit realms and he knew everything he was doing before becoming a human. God was always with him and angels were always ministering to him.

But at this moment his faith is about to be tested to the full. Jesus was nailed to a torture stake!

Dtruthspeaker:


Still stupidly saying the same thing. No one is still going to crucify me as I have refused to answer the Op's Shit full Stupid question.

Actually, you have just crucified me because I exercised my right to refuse to answer.

So there you go, MURDERER.

Lol..if Jesus was truly God son why did he abandon him?
After inspiring the prophets and psalmist to say he will never abandon his people or his own??

sonmvayina:


Lol..if Jesus was truly God son why did he abandon him?
After inspiring the prophets and psalmist to say he will never abandon his people or his own??

As I said, No reasonable person puts food in a dirty evil plate.

Dtruthspeaker:


As I said, No reasonable person puts food in a dirty evil plate.

Wacko...

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus was CRYING out to his father and God there because that's the only person who can SAVE him! Hebrews 5:7

But why was he talking that way?

Well Jesus is one of God's spirit sons in heaven before his life was transformed into an embryo in the womb of a Jewish virgin girl. He grew up to recover his memories of his past life in the spirit realms and he knew everything he was doing before becoming a human. God was always with him and angels were always ministering to him.

But at this moment his faith is about to be tested to the full. Jesus was nailed to a torture stake!

So God actually forsook him to his tormentors?

amnesty7:

So God actually forsook him to his tormentors?

Sort of like taking away all his powers so he could be tested to the full. That's why he shouted when he sensed that the power has been taken away from him at the point he thought he needed it so that he won't feel the torture!
The same thing has happened to him once, when he was going with a crowd. A woman who has faith in God thought to herself that if she could just touch the fringes of Jesus' garment she will be cured. Jesus never knew that such a person is in the crowd but God knows. So immediately the lady touched Jesus' garment the power in his body was shaken without his consent so he asked
"who touched me? Because i can feel that power went out of me" Luke 8:45-46

So it's the same thing that happened to him now that's why he was crying out to the one who gave him the power he was using.

May you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:


Sort of like taking away all his powers so he could be tested to the full. That's why he shouted when he sensed that the power has been taken away from him at the point he thought he needed it so that he won't feel the torture!
The same thing has happened to him once, when he was going with a crowd. A woman who has faith in God thought to herself that if she could just touch the fringes of Jesus' garment she will be cured. Jesus never knew that such a person is in the crowd but God knows. So immediately the lady touched Jesus' garment the power in his body was shaken without his consent so he asked
"who touched me? Because i can feel that power went out of me" Luke 8:45-46

So it's the same thing that happened to him now that's why he was crying out to the one who gave him the power he was using.

May you have PEACE!

Thank you. Only God, then, is Omnipotent.

amnesty7:

Thank you. Only God, then, is Omnipotent.

NO God can't do everything:

and is based on a hope of the everlasting life that God, who cannot lie, promised long ago! Titus 1:2

So He is not omnipotent!

Dtruthspeaker:


I can, but I will not especially in this evil man's thread.

MaxInDHouse:


Sort of like taking away all his powers so he could be tested to the full. That's why he shouted when he sensed that the power has been taken away from him at the point he thought he needed it so that he won't feel the torture!
The same thing has happened to him once, when he was going with a crowd. A woman who has faith in God thought to herself that if she could just touch the fringes of Jesus' garment she will be cured. Jesus never knew that such a person is in the crowd but God knows. So immediately the lady touched Jesus' garment the power in his body was shaken without his consent so he asked
"who touched me? Because i can feel that power went out of me" Luke 8:45-46

So it's the same thing that happened to him now that's why he was crying out to the one who gave him the power he was using.

May you have PEACE!

So sir, does it mean only God and a woman that can take away Jesus's power? And why didn't Jesus cry hard at the woman like he cried to God on the Cross abi na stake?

AntiChristian:

So sir, does it mean only God and a woman that can take away Jesus's power? And why didn't Jesus cry hard at the woman like he cried to God on the Cross abi na stake?

Which woman?
Please try to be serious for others to grasp what you're saying!

MaxInDHouse:


Which woman?
Please try to be serious for others to grasp what you're saying!

The woman with the blood issue you mentioned above. This has a context.

AntiChristian:
When Jesus was about to die before he claimed his father abandoned him!
Matthew 27:46
About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).
...
Forsaken means to abandon! Why would God abandon Jesus? Are they not one again (John 10:30 I and the Father are one)? Why does Jesus have to utter such statement of disbelief in the LORD? Moreover the writer of Psalm has this to say:
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So why did Jesus claim God Forsake/Abandon him when God will never forsake His saints/people?

When Jesus Christ said, on the cross, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?", He, Jesus Christ, was not crying out for help at all. Jesus Christ was sentenced to die a cursed death— he was hung on the tree to die—, by His own people. And what that meant was that He was condemned/forsaken by the Almighty as a result of hanging on the cross to die— to be cursed is to be forsaken. However, He, Jesus Christ, had previously explained in John 10 vs 14 - 18 that not only did He volunteer to be put to death — a lamb led to slaughter—, but it was also by His authority, His power, that He laid down His life only to pick it back up on the third day.

14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me,
15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.
17 For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again.
18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have [the] authority to lay it down, and I have [the] authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.” - John 10 vs 14 - 18

And as Jesus Christ explained in the passage above, He did it all -- He obeyed His Father--- in order that He might receive the glory in store for Him. That was the deal He had with the Father. So, the narrative that speaks of Jesus Christ as helpless on the cross, and crying out for help from the Father is a lie. Instead, He is written to have overcome the curse and death by the third day when He rose. So, Jesus Christ didn't ask the father for help, nor did the Father have any need to help Him since, as He said, it was all by His own authority that He underwent it all in order to obtain glory.

Kobojunkie:
When Jesus Christ said, on the cross, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?", He, Jesus Christ, was not crying out for help at all. Jesus Christ was sentenced to die a cursed death— he was hung on the tree to die—, by His own people. And what that meant was that He was condemned/forsaken by the Almighty as a result of hanging on the cross to die— to be cursed is to be forsaken. However, He, Jesus Christ, had previously explained in John 10 vs 14 - 18 that not only did He volunteer to be put to death — a lamb led to slaughter—, but it was also by His authority, His power, that He laid down His life only to pick it back up on the third day.
And as Jesus Christ explained in the passage above, He did it all -- He obeyed His Father--- in order that He might receive the glory in store for Him. That was the deal He had with the Father. So, the narrative that speaks of Jesus Christ as helpless on the cross, and crying out for help from the Father is a lie. Instead, He is written to have overcome the curse and death by the third day when He rose. So, Jesus Christ didn't ask the father for help, nor did the Father have any need to help Him since, as He said, it was all by His own authority that He underwent it all in order to obtain glory.

Na only you fit understand this theory!
God doesn't need the long stress and process of having someone killed for others to make it.

That is sensible to me!

AntiChristian:
Na only you fit understand this theory!
God doesn't need the long stress and process of having someone killed for others to make it.

That is sensible to me!

Well, God didn't tell you there was any long stress and process to any of it as Jesus Christ made clear to you John 10 where He explained that there was no longer stress to His death and resurrection. So, you thinking it is long stress is an assumption made by you..

Kobojunkie:
Well, God didn't tell you there was any long stress and process to any of it as Jesus Christ made clear to you John 10 where He explained that there was no longer stress to His death and resurrection. So, you thinking it is long stress is an assumption made by you..

Why didn't God just forgive Adam initially when he sinned?

AntiChristian:
Why didn't God just forgive Adam initially when he sinned?

Why are you suddenly deviating?

You asked why God abandoned Jesus Christ and as I explained all those who are cursed by God are essential abandoned to their own whims by God. And His death was not the only such curse Jesus Christ overcame. Even His birth He also had to overcome. All so that those who chose Him can be made free of all curses as a result.

Kobojunkie:
Why are you suddenly deviating?

You asked why God abandoned Jesus Christ and as I explained all those who are cursed by God are essential abandoned to their own whims by God. And His death was not the only such curse Jesus Christ overcame. Even His birth He also had to overcome. All so that those who chose Him can be made free of all curses as a result.

I would deviate when I see too much unfounded theory from your brain!

AntiChristian:
I would deviate when I see too much unfounded theory from your brain!

What unfounded theory.... be specific!

amnesty7:

Can you explain why God was said to have abandoned His alleged son pls?

Everyone who is under God’s curse is forsaken by God as a result. Jesus Christ was hung on the curse to day hence forsaken by God according to the Law of Moses. All Jesus Christ did on the cross was reiterate this.

amnesty7:

Pls explain here so that we can all learn. The verse is surprising that Jesus cried that God has forsaken him.

And contrary to what is usually bellowed from pulpits regularly, when Jesus Christ said what He said, He didn't mean it as a cry for help. Instead, it was an acknowledgement on his cursed sentence.

Jesus Christ did not need saving from the cross as He already previously explained that the ordeal on the cross was simply part of the show - John 10 vs 14 - 18

amnesty7:
So God actually forsook him to his tormentors?

Be careful of the narrative you have been offered. God forsook all those who hung on a tree to die, Jesus Christ just happened to have been hung up to die on a curse and was abandoned as a result. Just being Jesus Christ, it was OK since His life was His to lay down and to pick up as He saw fit - John 10 vs 14 - 18 - hence the reason why He spoke to His disciples beforehand of how He would lay it down and pick back up on the third day, which is what He did.