Kobojunkie:
Is comprehension suddenly an issue?

Again, Babies are incapable of grasping the concept of being born-again, or of the New Covenant Law, so they cannot enter into the Kingdom of God, hence there is no Heaven or Hell for them

Bro pls where do dey stay or do are they abiku people

Its child play to think heaven and hell as a designated point in space where humans go. There is only the here and now. Heaven and hell are concepts we create more like a fantasy. Heaven is a state likewise hell. Not a place. On your question on where babies go. Babies are souls before thy took on a body form. More filling up a bottle with water and what happens when you empty the bottle in the ocean,you won't be able to identify the water from the bottle would you...no!!! Babies are concept humans created. We were never born we will never die. We just are what we are... God's reincarnation. When we die its our body that leaves which is most natural but our consciousness/energy gets transformed.
Like physics would say energy is neither crested nor destroyed. But can be transferred from one state to another.

jesusjnr2020:
Thanks for the correction. I really appreciate it.

As for the Bible, I have a different belief, which is that as a follower of Christ, any saying that contradicts His in the Bible is meant to be disregarded.

Thanks and God bless.

Which part of the bible do you imply? because, talking about contradiction e plenty for your bible o.

Kobojunkie:
Is comprehension suddenly an issue?

Again, Babies are incapable of grasping the concept of being born-again, or of the New Covenant Law, so they cannot enter into the Kingdom of God, hence there is no Heaven or Hell for them

modified> had a question but ihave seen the answer

We have over Five different doctrines on this thread!

Where is hell located?

Because the concept of Hel as taught by most Christian groups if ridiculous!

Fact is currently there is no hell, just dead people and living. No ghosts too. Do your research on this subject matter using the Bible.

Hell comes after judgement.

But to scare you, your Pastors say trash putting fear in your heart.

Just obey God and study his words, you'll know the truth better.

jesusjnr2020:
Why There Are No Aborted Or Dead Babies In Hell

The closest any human being could get to physically meeting God or seeing His ways and how things were done in His Kingdom which is in heaven, here on Earth, is through meeting and observing the ways of little children. Hence Jesus used them as examples for His disciples to emulate, saying, "Of such is the kingdom of heaven". Mark 10:14

So if little children are the ones that remind God of heaven most when He looks down at the Earth, why would He want to send them to hell?

The souls in hell are workers of iniquity, hence little children of whom Jesus said, "of such is the kingdom of God", including the unborn who have never worked iniquity, could not possibly be in hell. Matthew 13:41-41; Revelation 21:8

The woman who said she saw aborted babies in the following thread, https://www.nairaland.com/6868933/kathy-mcdaniel-misfit-hell-heaven, never spoke of their souls but exposed how those of devil kill/abort them, and how they dump their dead bodies. But of course the agents of the devil would want to misinterpret that to mislead humans and to blaspheme the name of God.

But the devil is a liar and was a murderer since the beginning. John 8:44

He's the thief who never comes to any man except to steal, kill and destroy his life just like he did to man in the beginning, so it would be foolish to fall for his lies. John 10:10

A word is enough for the wise.

All of you quoting me and not making any reference to the Bible to back up your claims are just wasting your time.

As Christians we've been asked to compare scriptures with scriptures. The point is not about who is wrong or right. It's about pointing to what the scriptures say. No one here has the monopoly of scriptural knowledge. We're learning everyday.

bentuzene:
Because the concept of Hel as taught by most Christian groups if ridiculous!

Fact is currently there is no hell, just dead people and living. No ghosts too. Do your research on this subject matter using the Bible.

Hell comes after judgement.

But to scare you, your Pastors say trash putting fear in your heart.

Just obey God and study his words, you'll know the truth better.

There's hell oh, whether you beliy it or not because Jesus Himself taught about it severally, but if you keep God's Word as you said, you wouldn't have to be first to believe it.

God bless.

bentuzene:
Because the concept of Hel as taught by most Christian groups if ridiculous!

Fact is currently there is no hell, just dead people and living. No ghosts too. Do your research on this subject matter using the Bible.

Hell comes after judgement.

But to scare you, your Pastors say trash putting fear in your heart.

Just obey God and study his words, you'll know the truth better.

Revelation 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

I'm still trying to remember when my pastor wrote that part of scripture.

And since I've also been preaching hell to people, maybe I was actually the one who wrote it to put fear in them.

KillIgbohoN0W:
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That's a question for you to answer since you're the one creating threads on babies making/not making heaven/hell.

So Pastor, what is the cut-off age for humans to make heaven/hell?

Answer.

As little as Christ was he understood everything about the kingdom of God and he walks in the right Path.
My little cousin of 17 months at times she will go down on her knees and start doing some shupri shrupi shrupi only God knows what she is shruping and at the end she will say amen that does not mean she knows what she was doing but because she was already seeing people doing that and decided to learn and grow up too in that way.
Even the Bible said train up a child in the way that he should grow so that he may not depart from ...
I don't think there is a specific age to your question some people in some part of the Eart don't even know about God and I doubt if all have heard about Him but still that doesn't mean they won't make Heaven .
God Himself said it that is not of him that prayeth not of him that runneth but of Him who showeth mercy.

babadee1:


It's called the age of accountability. There is no specific age but it's when you start to know right from wrong and you consistently choose to do wrong. It differs from person to person.

There is nothing like age of accountability as far as the Kingdom of God is concerned. Your Pastors and mogs made that nonsense up to deceive you with.

smartgenius:
There is no hell fire. Only the flesh can feel pain. When a man dies the flesh dies. Spirit cannot feel pain.

Why told you only flesh can feel pain?

Pr0ton:
What does eternal damanation mean?

Start with the word eternal, what does it mean?

Thunderfayayou:


Let me answer this!

It's 6 to 7 years old. It's a known fact that at 7 years a child's can retain as much as a full adult hence it's assumed that at that age the child knows what is bad good and what's wrong.

But if he/she continues in that part into teenage years and dies in that part. The child is going to hell

You are wrong! Stop repeating the lies you have been fed by your Pastors and Mogs!.

Where the Kingdom of God - Heaven and Hell - are concerned, there is no age.

Thunderfayayou:
Never they can't be judged because their ability to make a concrete decision based on what is good and bad is not established in them yet.

Wrong! Nobody is beyond God's Judgment.

God already judged and condemned the world since Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22 . And that Judgment stands for eternity.

babadee1:


No I don't believe that. Children go to heaven. Nobody becomes a candidate of hell until they have passed the age of accountability.

Wrong! There is no such thing as age of accountability because in the Kingdom of God.

And all Children don't go to heaven....only children who are born-again can enter into the Kingdom of God where they will be judged according to the Word of God..

Viraltrends123:
Are we all born a sinner. As in, a new born baby, is he/she born a sinner

Sin is as defined by and in God's Law. The jews are born under the Old Covenant Laws so they are said to be born in sin because they are bound to the Old Covenant Law of Moses because of their Blood - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20.

Gentiles, on the other hand, are not born bound to any of God's Laws. Instead we are born condemned by God's judgement from after the fall of Adam and Eve - Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22. That judgement which is called the condemnation of Sin aka Death dictates that all those who are under the curse are doomed to perish in the grave .I.e. cease to exist when they die..

P.s. Before a baby is conceived, it does not exist. Existence begins at conception and for an unbeliever it ends at death - from dust to dust , as God said.

nkemoma:
Aborted babies are in Hell...
Hell simply means the grave.... A place where all man and animals go to at death..
False religion teaches of Hell as a fiery place of torment... But that is not what the Bible teaches.
Hell means grave!!!!
At death Jesus went to the grave... All who have died are in the grave, save those who have been resurrected to heavenly life!

Death is the grave and Hell is not Death...

Ubanz:
So there's no judgement day again?
Which one be aborted children in hell & heaven.
Religion and it's confusions.
No wonder there's a Confucius somewhere in the far east.
Anybody who wants to follow Jesus follow him and stop twisting his teachings.
According to the bible.
Christ's disciples once asked their great teacher about the day of judgement, His answer: "on that day,no one knows,not even the angels in heaven nor the son of Man"
My question is,can souls go to hell before the day of judgement?

No

Viraltrends123:
You've won the argument, you can see he has nothing much to say. He's probably thinking hard right now. If you need an explanation, you might need to see someone else. But not trying to force someone to give you answers he doesn't have. No one can know everything sir

The one you hail there is as confused as you. It is not the job of pastors to teach the children of God anything. God condemned your Pastors and excluded such individuals from His New Agreement beginning in Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 16 , and repeated this again in John 10 vs 1 - 16. In both places He labeled them thieves who come to steal from His sheep, Kill the fattest of His sheep, and destroy His flock.

aspabay:

Wrong.
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Acts 17:30 KJV
Little children are ignorant of what they do. They become liable when they can differentiate between good and evil.
It's like the age or puberty, it's not fixed, depends on the individual and not just physical maturity.

There is no age to it as far as Children are concerned... in the Kingdom of God, age is meaningless.

Kdon2:
Sorry bro your position is incorrect. A child is sinless in the eyes of God. However regardless of being a child the adamic nature is still in the child so when they grow to the age of knowing the difference between good and evil the sinful adamic nature would manifest. Hence the Bible says we were all born sinner not that little children have committed any sin yet.

Age has nothing to do with this.

Even if the child grows to fourteen, he or she will not see Hell or Heaven until after he/she makes a conscious choice to become born-again, only then will such a one even become eligible for Heaven or Hell. So these things aren't automatic and what matters isn't age but God’s law/commandments.

Now a second rule Jesus Christ gave to us is that Heaven is for those who reason as children do. So whether you are 14 or you are 55 you have to reason like a child if you want to enter into Heaven.

Viraltrends123:
You have a different believe, Is a new born baby a born sinner. As in a baby that was just given birth to, is he/she a sinner.

No!

CSTRR:

Being born a sinner is very very different from committing sin.
Everybody that is born a sinner will eventually commit sin if given time enough.

But those poor babies were not given time to commit sin.
They are free from divine Judgement and Justice.

It's willfully committing sin and iniquity that brings God's judgment upon you, not how you are born.

But we are not born sinners. To be born a sinner means to be born a subject of God's Law that defines for us what is sin. Only jews are born bound to such a law - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20

Gentiles are not born bound to any of God's Law so we are not born sinners... instead we are burn cursed by God's Judgment which condemns us to die - perish in the grave - dust to dust. That is the condemnation of Sin aka Death that Jesus Christ spoke of in John 3 vs 16 - 21 from which He came to redeem the world from.

babadee1:
The Bible says, "All have sinned have fallen short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23)
The Bible also says, "I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin came to life, and I died." (Romans 7:9)
The Bible is very clear on this matter. We are all born sinners but sin has no effect on us until we grow up enough to understand the commandments of God and then we make the choice to disobey. That is when sin begins to produce death and separation from God.

The bible did not say that, Paul said that in His epistles which were written primarily to an audience of Jewish believers.

Jews are born sinners since they are born bound to God's Old Covenant Law of Moses by which Sin is defined for them - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20

Gentiles are born dead to God's Law meaning we are not born bound to any of God's Law that defines sin for us. Instead we are born bound by God’s Judgment against Mankind as decreed in Genesis 3 vs 19-22, a curse that condemns us all to perish in the grave - aka cease to exist when we die - dust to dust.

It is from God's Judgment that Jesus Christ came to redeem mankind from and only those who accept Him are redeemed from the condemnation of Sin(not to be confused with sin itself) - John 3 vs 16 - 21

Judgesledge:
And what age is that, developmental milestones vary among individuals

Age is meaningless as far as the Kingdom of God - Heaven and Hell - is concerned.

CSTRR:
The only people that Jesus used as example of heavenly candidates are children.
"For of such is the kingdom of heaven"
he said.
Their Innocence is the exact state of mind required to enter heaven.
If they were as sinful as sin, Jesus would not have used them as heavenly examples.

Jesus Christ didn't mean that all children would enter into Heaven though. When He declared in John 3 vs 1 - 8 that unless you become born-again, you cannot enter into the Kingdom of God - Heaven and Hell - He never stated that an exception existed where children are concerned. So, only kids who are able to make that decision by themselves can enter into the Kingdom of God to begin with and after that ... as He said, Heaven is for those who are like children.

CSTRR:

Accepting Christ is a condition for people who committed iniquity..

Wrong! Everyone is expected to become born-again before they can enter into the Kingdom of God - Heaven and Hell - according to Jesus Christ in John 3 vs 1 - 8. Jesus Christ never stated that there were exceptions to this rule.

Thunderfayayou:
No a new born baby is not a Sinner! Babies comes from God because the Bible said in Jeremiah 1:5 ( God said "before I formed you in the womb I know you and have called you by name).

Babies don't come from God. The same God said in Genesis that from dust we came and to dust we return... Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22

Thunderfayayou:
They go straight back to God! That is why Jesus said the kingdom of God is like those kids and for us adults to make heaven we have to be like those kids because they know no sin and have free minds.

They don't go straight back to God... they came from dust/nothing and they go back to dust/nothing , just as God deemed it from Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22 when He cursed all mankind to die - perish in the grave beginning from Adam and Eve.

Viraltrends123:
Your last Statement though. You believe is kind of different, everyone knows that we are being punished for the sin of Adam. And at birth, we are all born sinners, anyone that doesn't accept Christ before death will be thrown into hell.
But, I like your believe, now that sin of birth can't take us to hell, and a sinless adult like 15yr old, who died without accepting Christ will go to heaven isn't it?

Sin is personal disobedience of God's commandment. How can you be born a sinner if God never gave to you a Law to begin with?