Thunderfayayou:


They go straight back to God! That is why Jesus said the kingdom of God is like those kids and for us adults to make heaven we have to be like those kids because they know no sin and have free minds.

Quote a Bible verse backing this please.

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noble2faith:


I blame those wasting their time to tutor you. It is very obvious you are not teachable.

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Fake pastor
Go look for simpletons to defraud not me.

CSTRR:


Can a baby accept Jesus Christ?
No, they cannot.

They don't even know their names well enough yet.

God is not a robot.

that's not my question, read again. You've accepted that we are not born with sins, you've also accepted that children and aborted babies, weather from a muslim family, christain family, Buddhist family, sango family etc will all go to heaven, now the last thing you accepted is a sinless 15 yr old adult, thout accepting Christ, will go to heaven, because God cannot just throw someone into hell just like that. I just want you to counter the popular belief that if you don't accept Christ, ie. You are not a born again, you are automatically not going to heaven, is it true or not?

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mostHandsome01:

Does your question even make sense, what's the meaning of what age do humans start making heaven, you don't make heaven based on age, there is only one way to heaven, and that is believing in Jesus Christ and confessing Him as your Lord and personal savior.

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You said babies don't go to hell right?

Isn't that YOU setting an age limit for making heaven/hell already? Do you have a brain??

jesusjnr2020:
I'm not obligated to answer your question regardless but i already obliged you an answer.

The answer is in the question, so if you knew the answer to the question, you would have had the answer to your question, but instead of answering my question to get your answer, you canceled it.

It seems my question exceeds your scope, so let me help you out.

The answer is, it depends on the child.

I hope you're good now.

U are just a trouble maker.

KillIgbohoN0W:
So what age do humans start qualifying for heaven/hell?

That is age 13 for Boys and 10 for girls.

In Judaism, this is what we call "Bar Mitzvah" meaning "Son (of) commandment." It is the age at which children identify themselves and are able to discern between committing sin or not.

KillIgbohoN0W:


Quote a Bible verse backing this please.

Matthew 19: 14
Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these".

Now both of us know that the Bible is not a Novel or an article,hence so many passages we read have physical and spiritual meanings as regards to the situation at hand.

As the Bible did not categorically state that when the a kid under 6 years old dies the kid comes back to him but the Bible made us see how God see them. Again because they have the purest soul,Bible made us understand how these souls are also if great importance to God.

akinwale701:



That is age 13 for Boys and 10 for girls.

In Judaism, this is what we call "Bar Mitzvah" meaning "Son (of) commandment." It is the age at which children identify themselves and are able to discern between committing sin or not.

Thanks.

But are you aware that there are some 10/11 year olds that have committed crimes? So they will also go to heaven abi?

KillIgbohoN0W:


Which is?

. You can use the sense you're using to ask this question to get the answer too.

Thunderfayayou:



John 14:6 Jesus said, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.” We can't get to heaven by works, because God doesn't pick favorites.

Just answer this 2 questions.
1. Aborted children, or dead children below 6, from other religion family/mother like budhism, sango, esu, amadioha etc. Are they going to heaven or hell, because automatically they didn't accept Christ before death?


2. An good, well behaved, gentle, sinless 18 yr old Chinese boy, that died of coronavirus, it's obvious he didn't accept Christ before he died, will he go to be denied heaven?

Please, give simple answer to my question. Forget about those saying aborted babies and dead babies are going to hell for eternity, and forget about those saying anyone that didn't accept Christ before he died, even if he is in far China, will find himself in hell fire for eternity.
JUST GIVE YOUR SIMPLE ANSWER.

KillIgbohoN0W:


Quote a Bible verse backing this please.

Matthew 19: 14
Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these".

Now both of us know that the Bible is not a Novel or an article,hence so many passages we read have physical and spiritual meanings as regards to the situation at hand.

As the Bible did not categorically state that when the a kid under 6 years old dies the kid comes back to him but the Bible made us see how God see them. Again because they have the purest soul,Bible made us understand how these souls are also if great importance to God..

Thunderfayayou:



Matthew 19: 14
Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these".

Now both of us know that the Bible is not a Novel or an article,hence so many passages we read have physical and spiritual meanings as regards to the situation at hand.

As the Bible did not categorically state that when the a kid under 6 years old dies the kid comes back to him but the Bible made us see how God see them. Again because they have the purest soul,Bible made us understand how these souls are also if great importance to God.

Hahaha My God

Okay. 13, 15 year olds are also little children, do you agree?
When they commit a crime, have sex, smoke etc, they all go to heaven just for being kids, abi?

Kingstanding:
. You can use the sense you're using to ask this question to get the answer too.

I prefer the Pastor to guide me. I don't claim to be called by God

Viraltrends123:
that's not my question, read again. You've accepted that we are not born with sins, you've also accepted that children and aborted babies, weather from a muslim family, christain family, Buddhist family, sango family etc will all go to heaven, now the last thing you accepted is a sinless 15 yr old adult, thout accepting Christ, will go to heaven, because God cannot just throw someone into hell just like that. I just want you to counter the popular belief that if you don't accept Christ, ie. You are not a born again, you are automatically not going to heaven, is it true or not?

I didn't say we were not born with sin.
Everybody was born in sin.

I said in my earlier posts that there is a big difference between been born with sin and committing sin.

It's committing sin that will take you to hell.

Babies and very young children cannot commit sin.

They don't even know what it means to sin.

Viraltrends123:
Just answer this 2 questions.
1. Aborted children, or dead children below 6, from other religion family/mother like budhism, sango, esu, amadioha etc. Are they going to heaven or hell, because automatically they didn't accept Christ before death?


2. An good, well behaved, gentle, sinless 18 yr old Chinese boy, that died of coronavirus, it's obvious he didn't accept Christ before he died, will he go to be denied heaven?

Please, give simple answer to my question. Forget about those saying aborted babies and dead babies are going to hell for eternity, and forget about those saying anyone that didn't accept Christ before he died, even if he is in far China, will find himself in hell fire for eternity.
JUST GIVE YOUR SIMPLE ANSWER.

I love our conversation honestly

Now to answer your first question.

1. I can only speak as a Christian. I am not in a position to judge other people from other Religion based on righteousness before God. God is the final and ultimate Judge.



And for your 2nd Question

2. Based on Christianity which is what I believe in and practice and which is the foundation of what were arguing on.

The "Innocent" boy will be in hell. What you noted about him is what we call "Self Righteousness" which is what most "Pastors" practice.

The Bible taught us about a rich man who met Jesus and told Jesus about all his righteousness. How he gives to the widows and pays his tithes and offerings but Jesus told him to not only sell all his Property and give it to the poor but carry his CROSS and fellow him.

The Bible said his countenance changed and he was sad and he left.

What you described about the boy is "Self Righteousness". And self righteousness will not take you to heaven!

Only accepting JESUS as your Lord and personal savior will.

KillIgbohoN0W:


Hahaha My God

Okay. 13, 15 year olds are also little children, do you agree?
When they commit a crime, have sex, smoke etc, they all go to heaven just for being kids, abi?

No you're getting confused. I have already explained in this context what the Bible actually referred as Kids.

15 years old in some Religion and countries are seen as adults.

Infact in some Religion 13 year old girl is been married.

Kids here is from 7 years downwards.

KillIgbohoN0W:


Thanks.

But are you aware that there are some 10/11 year olds that have committed crimes? So they will also go to heaven abi?

I quite understand that. What actually determines a sin or not is whether Elohim counts it as sin or not. Irrespective of what humans think, speaking in Tehilim 32:1,2, David, said "Blessed is he whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered.
2. Blessed is the man whose sin the LORD does not count against him and in whose spirit is no deceit."

So, there are instances whereby Elohim doesn't count sin against humans and according to the Torah, children below Bar Mitzvah age(s) are covered as they are considered naïve at that time. It may seem hard to believe but that is the Truth from the Torah. Shalom Lekha.

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Thunderfayayou:


No you're getting confused. I have already explained in this context what the Bible actually referred as Kids.

15 years old in some Religion and countries are seen as adults.

Infact in some Religion 13 year old girl is been married.

Kids here is from 7 years downwards.

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Tell me about your own, don't school me about other religions! I asked you about the Christian doctrine, why are you jumping to other religions?!

Now now, you wan change mouth again.
Say something and stay by it! That's my problem with you pastorpreneurs. Ha

CSTRR:

I didn't say we were not born with sin.
Everybody was born in sin.

I said in my earlier posts that there is a big difference between been born with sin and committing sin.

It's committing sin that will take you to hell.

Babies and very young children cannot commit sin.

They don't even know what it means to sin.

Alright let's end this argument with this two simple questions. Give me straight answer please.

1. Aborted children, or dead children below 6, from other religions' family/mother like budhism, sango, esu, amadioha etc. Are they going to heaven or hell, because automatically they didn't accept Christ before death?





2. A good, well behaved, gentle, SINLESS 18 yr old Chinese boy, that died of coronavirus, it's obvious he didn't accept Christ before he died, will he go to be denied heaven?



Please, give simple answer to my question. Forget about those saying aborted babies and dead babies are going to hell for eternity, and forget about those saying anyone that didn't accept Christ before he died, even if he is in far China, or in one island, will find himself in hell fire for eternity.

JUST GIVE YOUR SIMPLE ANSWER.

akinwale701:


I quite understand that. What actually determines a sin or not is whether Elohim counts it as sin or not. Irrespective of what humans think, speaking in Tehilim 32:1,2, David, said "Blessed is he whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered.
2. Blessed is the man whose sin the LORD does not count against him and in whose spirit is no deceit."

So, there are instances whereby Elohim doesn't count sin against humans and according to the Torah, children below Bar Mitzvah age(s) are covered as they are considered naïve at that time. It may seem hard to believe but that is the Truth from the Torah. Shalom Lekha.

1. How do we know what Elohim counts as sin since He doesn't actually state this openly?

2. Isn't this biased? Sins get counted for some and not for others.

Thunderfayayou:



I love our conversation honestly

Now to answer your first question.

1. I can only speak as a Christian. I am not in a position to judge other people from other Religion based on righteousness before God. God is the final and ultimate Judge.



And for your 2nd Question

2. Based on Christianity which is what I believe in and practice and which is the foundation of what were arguing on.

The "Innocent" boy will be in hell. What you noted about him is what we call "Self Righteousness" which is what most "Pastors" practice.

The Bible taught us about a rich man who met Jesus and told Jesus about all his righteousness. How he gives to the widows and pays his tithes and offerings but Jesus told him to not only sell all his Property and give it to the poor but carry his CROSS and fellow him.

The Bible said his countenance changed and he was sad and he left.

What you described about the boy is "Self Righteousness". And self righteousness will not take you to heaven!

Only accepting JESUS as your Lord and personal savior will.

You didn't answer the first question, You guys are just countering yourselves.you said God is the final judge in the first question, probably you are shy to say aborted children will go to hell, because that sounds gross.

But, in the second question, you gave me an answer, a 10 year old boy that is not a born again will be thrown in hell, bo matter what. Even if a 15 year old boy has being on hospital bed from day 1 to when he died, like one Arab prince, if he did accept Christ, he will surely go to hell. Same thing with all our for fathers, before the missionaries came, they are all in hell. Thanks.

KillIgbohoN0W:


1. How do we know what Elohim counts as sin since He doesn't actually state this openly?

2. Isn't this biased? Sins get counted for some and not for others.

The Torah is His Word where His Laws are clearly stated. Asking whether this is biased or not is out of it, remember that even human Laws make provisions for "minors", so those under Bar Mitzvah age can be termed "minors".

KillIgbohoN0W:
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Tell me about your own, don't school me about other religions! I asked you about the Christian doctrine, why are you jumping to other religions?!

Now now, you wan change mouth again.
Say something and stay by it! That's my problem with you pastorpreneurs. Ha

Wow wow wow

Now I know who I am talking with.

Hahahahahaha.

Well I didn't mean to get you angry about your Religion. Sorry from my heart.

Have a great day Sir

Viraltrends123:
You didn't answer the first question, You guys are just countering yourselves.you said God is the final judge in the first question, probably you are shy to say aborted children will go to hell, because that sounds gross.

But, in the second question, you gave me an answer, a 10 year old boy that is not a born again will be thrown in hell, bo matter what. Even if a 15 year old boy has being on hospital bed from day 1 to when he died, like one Arab prince, if he did accept Christ, he will surely go to hell. Same thing with all our for fathers, before the missionaries came, they are all in hell. Thanks.

I answered your questions correctly! And there is nothing like you guys because you are talking with me. I don't know where you guys came from.

Again, if you're not a a sincere Christian it will be almost impossible for you to understand anything because our "Religion" is based on Faith!

Scam

Thunderfayayou:


I answered your questions correctly! And there is nothing like you guys because you are talking with me. I don't know where you guys came from.

Again, if you're not a a sincere Christian it will be almost impossible for you to understand anything because our "Religion" is based on Faith!

So, all your forefathers are in hell, isn't it?

jesusjnr2020:
The age they get to know the difference between good and evil.

Perfect Answer!

KillIgbohoN0W:
So what age do humans start qualifying for heaven/hell?

The age they started to commit sin.
The soul that sin, it shall die.

Kingpin1000:

Make heaven no shock una o..
It's only God that can determine what is sin or not.
The only instruction Jesus gave that supersedes other instruction is to love your neighbor as your self and believe in him.
People will definitely make mistakes no one is bigger than that.
Even Peter who was Jesus 2 I.c machetes someone's ear and even denied Jesus after hearing from Jesus himself that he will deny him.
No one can determine who goes to heaven or not.

A child of 5 may know good and evil, but saying because that child knows good and evil, if He dies at that age will go to Hell shows you don't even know God. You guys are trying to paint God as a cruel being more than a kind being and that hurts me.

God chose Elijah and Elisha, both are known to have anger issues, He chose Moses, who was a murder, all of Jesus disciples had their flaws.
Abi na David, the man of God's heart solomon or Samuel.
The God I serve is a merciful God and He knows I will make mistakes.
Sometimes, when I here preachers preach, I get sad because, they make it look so difficult to make heaven.
Go back and read from the 1st to the 12th commandment God gave to Moses, you will see that, those commandments given for man to have peaceful coexistence with his neighbor that is why some refer to it as Laws.

Remember God said " THOU SHALT NOT KILL" but I have seen instances where God commanded people to kill and when saul disobeyed, He was punished.

I still stand that only God can determine what is sin.
If you can love you neighbor the way you love yourself and believe in Jesus. Bro heaven is your home. Don't allow the Devil, who is the accuser of brethren to give you a guilty conscience when you stand in front of the Lord on the final day of Judgement.

If I keep food that I want to eat and my brother picks up the food and eat it, because He is hungry is that not stealing? Yes it is according to the law .
But should I get angry? No, because He is my brother.
But I guess if it were a man from the North and a Muslim I will be angry and that's where God will be angry with me and not be angry with that man if a stranger can steal his meal and He won't be angry.

I believe if you don't love your neighbor as yourself, no matter how you believe say you dey serve God you n0 dey go heaven

I was looking forward to a sensible post so that I would not have to start responding to all those overzealous individuals up there. Thanks for your comment. You just saved me stress.

People who have very little knowledge about the personality of God and how God handles issues just open their mouths and speak anyhow with so much confidence. Extremely irritating.

Everybody has their view about Christianity, you can't outright say where those bodies go...
The aborted ones naturally is dead and gone to nowhere.. Why? Because e nor form

My reasoning might be contrary or out of context but have said what I want to say... The way I live my life is very different. I'm a worshipper of God I communicate with HIM directly. Christ is among the Trinity, I am a child of God so if I say I commune with our Creator directly I am not wrong and no one can prove otherwise, back it up with scriptures even.

KillIgbohoN0W:
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You said babies don't go to hell right?

Isn't that YOU setting an age limit for making heaven/hell already? Do you have a brain??

Oh my goodness, you this man
You are so confused, you can't even tell the difference between me and who made such statement, I never at anytime said the above, you are so focused on looking for a fault that you can't even differentiate matters here anymore.

Kobojunkie:
Wrong! Heaven and Hell is not about age but of deeds or lack there of.

The question was at what age can a go to hell?