MITCHELL96:

dawnomike:
The book go dey alright in Turkey where hin dey... The bible we are used to is good enough.

jesusjnr2020:
The devil is a liar!

petra1:
The testimonies of Mathew, Mark and John who worked directly with Jesus are more authentic than an unknown barbabasabaxa.

Conspiracies started in the bible days

Princewell2012:

How about Paul did he walk directly with Jesus?

What is the evident the 56 books of the bible are the complete books 27 from new and 39 from the Old Testament ?

The bible is more than that numbers, so who and why did they made those selection?

What happen to the others they removed, why do they removed them? May God help us.

AntiChristian:
We know all these since! Even all the many manuscripts that exists no two are exactly the same! Is this not falsehood?


Just as you were telling lies and bragging on that Alcohol thread!
https://www.nairaland.com/6973097/alcohol-medicinal-rev-fr-oluoma#109997871

You just argue blindly without truly knowing the details of what is being discussed!

What are the Major Historical Errors in the Bible (Quora) by Sarah Geer
.......
The Gospels are even full of historical problems. Even if one discounts the utter lack of contemporary evidence for Jesus or any of his supposed miracles, there are other issues. The census NEVER required anyone to go to town of origin of their lineage- that would have collapsed the economy of the Empire. Roman censuses counted just the head of household IN their household- they were for tax purposes, so they cared where you lived, not where you came from. They were also done by province, not empire-wide, and usually subcontracted to the publicans. Further, Matthew states that Jesus was born under the reign of Herod the Great, who died in 4BCE. Luke claims it was during the census of Israel conducted when Quirinius was governor of Syria- a post he did not take until 6CE, 10 YEARS after Herod the Great died. So both Matthew and Luke contradict themselves- the census literally could not have occurred at the same time as Herod was alive, yet both describe them as simultaneous. Luke also says that Augustus Caesar decreed "all the world should be registered", which is false.

Herod the Great never slaughtered infants as described in Matthew- despite there being many chroniclers of Herod's abuses, this little gem appears NOWHERE but the bible. Even Flavius Josephus, who extensively recorded Herod's evils, mentioned nothing of this event, which he would have if it actually occurred.

There were many minor errors showing the Gospel writers (Greeks, for the most part) had no clue of the geography of the area- like the story of the Gadarine swine, which Jesus supposedly drove into the Sea of Galilee, despite Gadera being kilometers from the sea. And that's just Matthew, since Mark's said "Gerasa", which was 30 kilometers away. Mark's descriptions of Jesus' movements made no geographical sense and are at times impossible.

No historians of the time, despite living in the area, ever recorded any major earthquakes or skies going black as was claimed happened during Jesus' death.

Interestingly, early scholars that even mentioned what early Christians believed- like Tacitus, Philo, Pliny, Suetonius, Epictectus, Cluvius Rufus, Quintus, Curtis Rufus, Josephus, the Roman Consul, Publius Petronius- never mentioned any crucifixion. In fact, the crucifixion seemed to be unknown even to early Christians until the Second Century!

The trials would never have occurred as claimed in the bible, either. Rather hilariously, a nineteenth century scholar, Rabbi Wise, searched the then-extant records of Pilate's court to find a record of Jesus' trial and found nothing. Pilate was depicted by the Gospels as a good man who only reluctantly agreed to the condemnation of Jesus- but history shows he was cruel and corrupt. It was a likely attempt after the First Jewish revolt to place blame on the Jews, rather than the old tradition of blaming Rome for all their ills. The Romans also had no custom of releasing a prisoner at Passover, and Pilate was known to be far too ruthless to have ever caved to a mob (in fact, there are many records of him brutally subduing mobs). Never mind that it was claimed in the Passion narrative that the Sanhedrin met on Passover night to have Jesus arrested and condemned- when in reality the Sanhedrin were forbidden by Jewish law to meet during Passover at all.

AntiChristian:
We know all these since! Even all the many manuscripts that exists no two are exactly the same! Is this not falsehood?


Just as you were telling lies and bragging on that Alcohol thread!
https://www.nairaland.com/6973097/alcohol-medicinal-rev-fr-oluoma#109997871

You just argue blindly without truly knowing the details of what is being discussed!

What are the Major Historical Errors in the Bible (Quora) by Sarah Geer
.......
The Gospels are even full of historical problems. Even if one discounts the utter lack of contemporary evidence for Jesus or any of his supposed miracles, there are other issues. The census NEVER required anyone to go to town of origin of their lineage- that would have collapsed the economy of the Empire. Roman censuses counted just the head of household IN their household- they were for tax purposes, so they cared where you lived, not where you came from. They were also done by province, not empire-wide, and usually subcontracted to the publicans. Further, Matthew states that Jesus was born under the reign of Herod the Great, who died in 4BCE. Luke claims it was during the census of Israel conducted when Quirinius was governor of Syria- a post he did not take until 6CE, 10 YEARS after Herod the Great died. So both Matthew and Luke contradict themselves- the census literally could not have occurred at the same time as Herod was alive, yet both describe them as simultaneous. Luke also says that Augustus Caesar decreed "all the world should be registered", which is false.

Herod the Great never slaughtered infants as described in Matthew- despite there being many chroniclers of Herod's abuses, this little gem appears NOWHERE but the bible. Even Flavius Josephus, who extensively recorded Herod's evils, mentioned nothing of this event, which he would have if it actually occurred.

There were many minor errors showing the Gospel writers (Greeks, for the most part) had no clue of the geography of the area- like the story of the Gadarine swine, which Jesus supposedly drove into the Sea of Galilee, despite Gadera being kilometers from the sea. And that's just Matthew, since Mark's said "Gerasa", which was 30 kilometers away. Mark's descriptions of Jesus' movements made no geographical sense and are at times impossible.

No historians of the time, despite living in the area, ever recorded any major earthquakes or skies going black as was claimed happened during Jesus' death.

Interestingly, early scholars that even mentioned what early Christians believed- like Tacitus, Philo, Pliny, Suetonius, Epictectus, Cluvius Rufus, Quintus, Curtis Rufus, Josephus, the Roman Consul, Publius Petronius- never mentioned any crucifixion. In fact, the crucifixion seemed to be unknown even to early Christians until the Second Century!

Princewell2012:


How about Paul did he walk directly with Jesus?

Princewell2012:

Hmmm is like the more we tried to acquire more knowledge the more we get confused .

Now I want to ask you.
What is the evident the 56 books of the bible are the complete books 27 from new and 39 from the Old Testament ?

The bible is more than that numbers, so who and why did they made those selection?

What happen to the others they removed, why do they removed them? May God help us.

rhektor:

The lie above is debunked here, why do you like to disgrace yourself like this?
These are early church fathers' quotes on the crucifixion but one silly guy on nairaland want to turn truth on its head
https://www.1517.org/articles/standing-at-the-foot-of-the-cross-with-church-fathers
Cc antiislaam
Abdoolibuster
Hendtiime

faithsurvey:
1500-Year-Old Bible Discovered States That Jesus Was Not Crucified

This 1500-Year-Old Bible valued at $28 million States That Jesus Was Not Crucified. The Bible was found in Turkey in 2000, written in a language that was mostly spoken 2000 years ago. All of the experts that have been allowed to analyze the book state that the bible is an original and definitely not as many people have mentioned “a hoax”. Besides the rarity of finding someone nowadays not only understanding but being able to write in Syriac, the way the book is made is very traditional to those times. All of the pages are made from animal hide and the handwriting is very difficult to replicate.

Let’s not forget that the archives at the Vatican Apostolic Library aren’t public and even for those that become scholars, they have to be over the age of 75 to gain access.
I think there is a lot more to this world and a lot of information from the biblical era is hidden away and kept secret, for what exact reason I don’t know, but usually the truth would provoke a huge negative effect.

petra1:
The testimonies of Mathew, Mark and John who worked directly with Jesus are more authentic than an unknown barbabasabaxa.

Conspiracies started in the bible days

rhektor:

The lie above is debunked here, why do you like to disgrace yourself like this?
These are early church fathers' quotes on the crucifixion but one silly guy on nairaland want to turn truth on its head
https://www.1517.org/articles/standing-at-the-foot-of-the-cross-with-church-fathers
Cc antiislam
Abdoolbuster
Hendtime

Emperor88:
Do you know that the first 4 books og the new testament were written by anonymous writer(s) not matthew, luke, mark or john. Many of this stories, names, places, were inserted by the those who wrote the bible. Just like king james inserted unicorn that never existed in the bible.

petra1:




But Nobody is taking about books. Na

faithsurvey:
1500-Year-Old Bible Discovered States That Jesus Was Not Crucified

This 1500-Year-Old Bible valued at $28 million States That Jesus Was Not Crucified. The Bible was found in Turkey in 2000 written in a language that was mostly spoken 2000 years ago

A bible Linked to the Gospel of Barnabas held by the Turkish government at Ankara. A book written by Saint Barnabas, one of Paul’s associates. The book was discovered when some antiquity thieves had been caught in 2000 trying to smuggle the bible and other artifacts worth millions. The book is valued at $28 million and it seems to have references to the Gospel of Barnabas from the bible. The book is handwritten in Syriac an Aramic dialect which also happens to be Jesus’ native language.

What happened to Jesus?

Experts who have analyzed the book consider that it is at least 1500 years old, but it could be even older. Within this book, the story takes a very different approach. Instead of Jesus, Judas was the one crucified and Jesus rose to heaven while he was still alive. Another very important and different aspect is that the book does not present Jesus as the son of God, but only as a prophet who spoke the word of God.

The book also calls Apostle Paul an imposter which makes things really interesting as Saint Barnabas (the believed author of this book) was an associate of Apostle Paul. Would this mean that Saint Barnabas was forced by Apostle Paul to write a different story about Jesus? It is difficult to know, but this is an interesting aspect that sort of puts Christianity in a good light from biblical events, but other religions are overlooked, such as Islam.

If Jesus did indeed rise to heaven alive, then in the eyes of some people it would make much more sense based on belief. This would also conclude with some of the codexes written around the same time that mention Jesus coming back on Earth for a millennium to bring peace upon our world and eradicate any evil human beings.

Is the book real or fake?

When the new testament was written, the council from Nicaea (known as the first council in the history of the Christian church) chose the information that would go in this bible. They deliberately left out anything that has been mentioned in the Gospel of Barnabas as well as other gospels in favor of more canonical texts.

Why is it that only a group of people are able to choose what is considered “the right and true texts”? Some say that the council had a reason behind not choosing the Gospel of Saint Barnabas and it may have something to do with the missing information about Saint Barnabas’ death. There is no information about Saint Barnabas’ death, making him the only Saint that does not have his death mentioned within the scripture.

Even the Vatican caught a big interest in this aspect of biblical events, so much that he requested to see the book, but the Turkish government had refused his request without giving a reason. All of the experts that have been allowed to analyze the book state that the bible is an original and definitely not as many people have mentioned “a hoax”. Besides the rarity of finding someone nowadays not only understanding but being able to write in Syriac, the way the book is made is very traditional to those times. All of the pages are made from animal hide and the handwriting is very difficult to replicate.

Let’s not forget that the archives at the Vatican Apostolic Library aren’t public and even for those that become scholars, they have to be over the age of 75 to gain access.
I think there is a lot more to this world and a lot of information from the biblical era is hidden away and kept secret, for what exact reason I don’t know, but usually the truth would provoke a huge negative effect.

Abdoolbuster:


The extant manuscripts of the book Antiquities of the Jews, written by the first-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus around 93–94 AD, contain two references to Jesus of Nazareth and one reference to John the Baptist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#:~:text=The%20Testimonium%20Flavianum%20(meaning%20the,most%20discussed%20passage%20in%20Josephus.


Abdool AntiChristian the liar your lie is bursted here I am Abdoolbuster here to deal with every foolish abdool on nairaland.

This taqqiya can't help y'all anymore. Go back to your dawah group where you churn out lies, you can deceive abdools like yourself but we will continue to deal with your empty cranium here

I am Abdoolbuster

Abdoolbuster:


The extant manuscripts of the book Antiquities of the Jews, written by the first-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus around 93–94 AD, contain two references to Jesus of Nazareth and one reference to John the Baptist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#:~:text=The%20Testimonium%20Flavianum%20(meaning%20the,most%20discussed%20passage%20in%20Josephus.


Abdool AntiChristian the liar your lie is bursted here I am Abdoolbuster here to deal with every foolish abdool on nairaland.

This taqqiya can't help y'all anymore. Go back to your dawah group where you churn out lies, you can deceive abdools like yourself but we will continue to deal with your empty cranium here

I am Abdoolbuster

AntiChristian:
We know all these since! Even all the many manuscripts that exists no two are exactly the same! Is this not falsehood?


Just as you were telling lies and bragging on that Alcohol thread!
https://www.nairaland.com/6973097/alcohol-medicinal-rev-fr-oluoma#109997871

You just argue blindly without truly knowing the details of what is being discussed!

What are the Major Historical Errors in the Bible (Quora) by Sarah Geer
.......
The Gospels are even full of historical problems. Even if one discounts the utter lack of contemporary evidence for Jesus or any of his supposed miracles, there are other issues. The census NEVER required anyone to go to town of origin of their lineage- that would have collapsed the economy of the Empire. Roman censuses counted just the head of household IN their household- they were for tax purposes, so they cared where you lived, not where you came from. They were also done by province, not empire-wide, and usually subcontracted to the publicans. Further, Matthew states that Jesus was born under the reign of Herod the Great, who died in 4BCE. Luke claims it was during the census of Israel conducted when Quirinius was governor of Syria- a post he did not take until 6CE, 10 YEARS after Herod the Great died. So both Matthew and Luke contradict themselves- the census literally could not have occurred at the same time as Herod was alive, yet both describe them as simultaneous. Luke also says that Augustus Caesar decreed "all the world should be registered", which is false.

Herod the Great never slaughtered infants as described in Matthew- despite there being many chroniclers of Herod's abuses, this little gem appears NOWHERE but the bible. Even Flavius Josephus, who extensively recorded Herod's evils, mentioned nothing of this event, which he would have if it actually occurred.

There were many minor errors showing the Gospel writers (Greeks, for the most part) had no clue of the geography of the area- like the story of the Gadarine swine, which Jesus supposedly drove into the Sea of Galilee, despite Gadera being kilometers from the sea. And that's just Matthew, since Mark's said "Gerasa", which was 30 kilometers away. Mark's descriptions of Jesus' movements made no geographical sense and are at times impossible.

No historians of the time, despite living in the area, ever recorded any major earthquakes or skies going black as was claimed happened during Jesus' death.

Interestingly, early scholars that even mentioned what early Christians believed- like Tacitus, Philo, Pliny, Suetonius, Epictectus, Cluvius Rufus, Quintus, Curtis Rufus, Josephus, the Roman Consul, Publius Petronius- never mentioned any crucifixion. In fact, the crucifixion seemed to be unknown even to early Christians until the Second Century!

The trials would never have occurred as claimed in the bible, either. Rather hilariously, a nineteenth century scholar, Rabbi Wise, searched the then-extant records of Pilate's court to find a record of Jesus' trial and found nothing. Pilate was depicted by the Gospels as a good man who only reluctantly agreed to the condemnation of Jesus- but history shows he was cruel and corrupt. It was a likely attempt after the First Jewish revolt to place blame on the Jews, rather than the old tradition of blaming Rome for all their ills. The Romans also had no custom of releasing a prisoner at Passover, and Pilate was known to be far too ruthless to have ever caved to a mob (in fact, there are many records of him brutally subduing mobs). Never mind that it was claimed in the Passion narrative that the Sanhedrin met on Passover night to have Jesus arrested and condemned- when in reality the Sanhedrin were forbidden by Jewish law to meet during Passover at all.

Abdoolbuster:


Another Bart Erman disciple sighted
First of all, there are no anonymous copies of the four gospels. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Every single shred of manuscript evidence we have attributes them to the traditional authors. While there is a slight variation in how they’re titled, the familiar names are all there. These go back to the most ancient copies that we possess in our hands right now. There’s no historical evidence that the originals had no titles.
The biggest problem with the anonymous gospel theory is it lacks plausibility. Consider this scenario:
You have a book floating around the Roman Empire without a title for nearly a century. But somehow, at some time, it ends up being associated with the same author repeatedly — in fact, every single time. We have 0 traces of disagreement.
And this didn’t just happen once — it happened four different times, throughout the vast Roman Empire. Somehow, by sheer luck, Christians living in Africa, Rome, Syria, and so forth attributed these gospels to the same four guys. All this without the help of email, text, social media, or Google.
If the anonymous gospel theory were correct, we’d expect to see at least some disagreement over who wrote what. But we have no contradictory titles. We don’t have a ‘Gospel According to Mark’ attributed to someone like Peter, Andrew, Simon the Zealot, Bartholemew, or whomever.

Check out the picture of the different manuscripts attached.

Emperor88:


Same way they agreed the world was created less than 7000 years ago. Same way they agreed to all the numerous myths and jargons in the bible.

Abdoolbuster:

Mugu, once your lies had been bursted you cling to the straw of delusion. Who bewitched you? Who lobotomised you?
Myths and jargon can't be in the same sentence but a fool like you wouldn't have been identified if not for your folly.
Who told you that the world was created less than 7000 years ago, where in the Bible is that stated? Fool stop fooling yourself thinking you are fooling others.
Get sense and find help

jesusjnr2020:
Am I surprised at the degree of your shallow reasoning?

Likes and shares your fellow alcoholics and antichrists gave you are now your proof I was lying about Jesus not turning water into alcoholic wine that you have to provide the link here.

Well i'm not that shallow, so I won't have to do likewise with mine, because I know that the Truth like the fact that Jesus turned water into non-alcoholic wine, doesn't need likes and shares to be true, it is the Truth regardless! And no matter how many likes and shares lies receive, as that which you told about Jesus on the said thread, it would never make it true.

You should be more worried about your paedophile and murderous prophet who lived by the sword and died by the sword embarrassingly in the hand of one of the victims of his blood-letting exploits, who poisoned his food.

I wouldn't be surprised if you are following in his footsteps, and have not learnt from his own disgraceful experience.

Continue with the lies of your father the devil who is the father of all liars, it would never becomes the Truth regardless of how many likes and shares your malicious lies receive.

John 8:44 (KJV)

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

I didn't even need to respond to your lies here, because many here have already done justice to that and exposed your blatant falsehood beyond any reasonable doubt.

Hendtime:


Thank brother, for putting these liars to shame. AntiChristian like every one of the dawagandists are Janus faced liars.
Once taqqiya mode set in abdools have no sense again

rhektor:

You will always come here with this your lies. Face the hole in the SIN as claimed by one of your own when he was having a discussion with Mohamed Hijab. In his word "the standard Islamic narrative has holes in it" none of you has ever talked about it y'all avoided that discussion like a plague
Now back to this said book of Barnabas it has been debunked several years and time only for y'all to bring it to nairaland like it's a new discovery. Liar like you even claim that crucifixion was unknown to early Christians until the second century, lmao. No amount of repetition will turn truth on its head like you wish to do. The Bible especially the gospel has gone through every textual and historical criticism and is still standing today. Let your Quran go through history, let the SIRA go through historical and textual cristicism and see if it can stand.

https://www.google.com/amp/a/s/bible-quran.com/mirza-ghulam-ahmad-ahmadiyya/amp?ampru=https://bible-quran.com/mirza-ghulam-ahmad-ahmadiyya/amp?gclid%3DCj0KCQiAxoiQBhCRARIsAPsvo-xm_5ocEX8OhTDrrwY0Vv3AKGGFUtUzub9u8WeR5hTcnT6Y0atFNcUaAvenEALw_wcB&amps=ALLYaH3XydHX8HGziEOyIaCjeXc6hAc5eQ