Dominion2000:
You have just killed and destroyed your life and destiny. Matthew 16:18 says the church is matching on and no opposition from you and your Satan master will be able to bring the church down. The church from now will be taking nations and kingdoms as territories. Mark it.

SultanOfPuna:
The joy i get when i see churches filled with old people i stead of youths is a sweet joy.

My father and mothers generation took church matter too serious. Im glad i broke that tradition by not going to church.
They called me devil for not following them

i dont blame them, i love them even tho they are ignorant. I still love them.

But what made me happy is that my siblings are following my path and have shunned christianity. Same with many youths today

Religion blocked their common sense
They stopped going to church
Now they are free minded and think more creatively.
Adeboye and co in 20 years. Nobody will attend all those pentecostal scam centers.

Im sooo happy, to realise that this new generation are wayyy smarter than our fathers generation

SultanOfPuna:
The joy i get when i see churches filled with old people i stead of youths is a sweet joy.

My father and mothers generation took church matter too serious. Im glad i broke that tradition by not going to church.
They called me devil for not following them

i dont blame them, i love them even tho they are ignorant. I still love them.

But what made me happy is that my siblings are following my path and have shunned christianity. Same with many youths today

Religion blocked their common sense
They stopped going to church
Now they are free minded and think more creatively.
Adeboye and co in 20 years. Nobody will attend all those pentecostal scam centers.

Im sooo happy, to realise that this new generation are wayyy smarter than our fathers generation

philGeo:
Don't worry, what will make you to start going to Church will soon hit you. May Almighty God be praise.

Kobojunkie:
Lol.. you folks and your pick and chose theology never ceases to amaze me...

So never mind that God declared boldly that He has not come to bring peace but to bring a sword, because you have extract the words "God so loved the world.." from within context means God came to build you Nigeria? It is this lazy minded approach to scripture that Nigerian Christians the gullible individuals the OP and his ilk complain of.

If you bothered to read that verse of John 3 vs 16 in its entirety, you would have figured that God's Love for the world is for the Individuals - the whosoevers- that will believe in Him, not nations or peoples like Nigeria. This is a marked difference between God's Old Covenant Law of Moses which God made specifically with the Nation of Isreal alone - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 , and God's New Covenant agreement which He makes with Individuals - Matthew 26 vs 28 - 30

SultanOfPuna:
The joy i get when i see churches filled with old people i stead of youths is a sweet joy.

My father and mothers generation took church matter too serious. Im glad i broke that tradition by not going to church.
They called me devil for not following them

i dont blame them, i love them even tho they are ignorant. I still love them.

But what made me happy is that my siblings are following my path and have shunned christianity. Same with many youths today

Religion blocked their common sense
They stopped going to church
Now they are free minded and think more creatively.
Adeboye and co in 20 years. Nobody will attend all those pentecostal scam centers.

Im sooo happy, to realise that this new generation are wayyy smarter than our fathers generation

SultanOfPuna:

Continue decieving yourself
Oldies fear God pass Americans wey no send God.
But the same oldies live in horrible conditions while Americans have decent welfare, electricity, and more.
If it is by fearing God, the oldies would have been more developed and advanced than Americans that don't fear God.

SultanOfPuna:
The joy i get when i see churches filled with old people i stead of youths is a sweet joy.

My father and mothers generation took church matter too serious. Im glad i broke that tradition by not going to church.
They called me devil for not following them

i dont blame them, i love them even tho they are ignorant. I still love them.

But what made me happy is that my siblings are following my path and have shunned christianity. Same with many youths today

Religion blocked their common sense
They stopped going to church
Now they are free minded and think more creatively.
Adeboye and co in 20 years. Nobody will attend all those pentecostal scam centers.

Im sooo happy, to realise that this new generation are wayyy smarter than our fathers generation

Kobojunkie:
Traditional jargon and rules were already in use as far as controlling of the minds of Nigerians long before Christianity showed up on the horizons, so let's drop the bullsheet about how Nigerians were somehow freethinkers before the foreigners showed up.

Kobojunkie:

2. I don't agree with that at all. To those already close-minded, religious is simply another dose of yet the same poison. That turns out to be what happened in Nigeria. Nigerians fell hard for the very false teachers and false prophets Jesus Christ warned those who will listen to Him from following.

Kobojunkie:

3. The negatives far outweigh the positives particularly in the Nigerian case for anyone who is willing to be honest.

Kobojunkie:

4. Your youths have always been wayward and if waywardness is all there is to them, then it will be. Also, Jesus Christ, the Christ in Christianity never did say that the reason He came was so your youths can be less wayward, so I am not certain why many of you continue to assume He has come to bring peace to the world when He said more than once that He has not come to do no such.

Kobojunkie:

5. If you infact took the Words written in scripture literally, you would in fact have more understanding of God and Jesus Christ, than you currently boast of even now.

Kobojunkie:

There is no connection between Christianity and Buddhism so I am not certain where your last statement comes from at all.

Ola17:

You raised salient and valid points.
Human excesses can easily be curtailed by the rule of law and its enforcement, that is how it is done in saner climes. Contrary to what Nigerian Christians will have you believe, a ‘good’ person doesn't need religion to do the right thing in the society.

AuthenticKing:
1
I never implied that Nigerians were freethinkers before the coming of Christianity
2. Your Bible constantly contradicts itself that's why the 'false teachers and false prophets' pick the parts that appeal to their personalities and motives to deceive Nigerians.

3. I don't know how true this is for now. But from my experience for now, I think the positives and negatives are 50-50.


4. Again, you're interpreting my statement based on your subjective understanding of what non-religionists or non-Christians think about Christianity. I never implied that Christ has come to bring peace or stuffs like that, some parts of the Bible has some moral lessons for readers (or followers) and if taught to youths, they'll be a little more sane.

5. I never boasted of understanding God and Jesus Christ. And then, I see the Bible as a book filled with metaphors and moral lessons that I learn from. I see Jesus just as every other great teacher like Buddha, Mohammed, Confucius, Lao Tzu, Socrates, etc.

6. All religions have similar teachings though there are lots of differences just like you find similarities and differences between Android and iPhone.
But do you know why atheists attack Abrahamic religions like Christianity and Muslims more than they attack other religions? Because these two religions take their holy books too literally and directly or indirectly want to impose their figures and teachings on everyone. There are so many other reasons but for the sake of this discussion, I wish to just point out this one.

AuthenticKing:


I agree with you that human excesses can easily be curtailed by the rule of law and it's enforcement but even in those sane countries, people still commit some hidden crimes against each other that are not been made in the open. In the rule of law, there are some 'bad' acts done by humans that ain't considered crimes but these acts are still not right, religion has this ability to connect with it's followers emotionally and can be able to act as a kind of inner compass to direct them on good things to be done and bad things to be avoided, with or without the rule of law.

Besides, Nigeria has a very long way to go in becoming a sane society, a very long way. I feel the best and easiest way to start achieving sanity or development is to kind of revolutionize religion, to upgrade people's understanding of our major religions (Christianity and Islam), to see Jesus and Mohammed not as saviours but great teachers to be respected and learned from, etc. I think this is a point for another day. These religions are here to stay, I don't think the Op is completely correct about Christianity going away from Nigeria.

I wish to also add that these religions also help to give people a life of meaning, one of the reasons people hold unto it like it's their life.

SultanOfPuna:
The joy i get when i see churches filled with old people i stead of youths is a sweet joy.

My father and mothers generation took church matter too serious. Im glad i broke that tradition by not going to church.
They called me devil for not following them

i dont blame them, i love them even tho they are ignorant. I still love them.

But what made me happy is that my siblings are following my path and have shunned christianity. Same with many youths today

Religion blocked their common sense
They stopped going to church
Now they are free minded and think more creatively.
Adeboye and co in 20 years. Nobody will attend all those pentecostal scam centers.

Im sooo happy, to realise that this new generation are wayyy smarter than our fathers generation

SultanOfPuna:

Continue decieving yourself
Oldies fear God pass Americans wey no send God.
But the same oldies live in horrible conditions while Americans have decent welfare, electricity, and more.
If it is by fearing God, the oldies would have been more developed and advanced than Americans that dont fear God.

Kobojunkie:


2. Wrong! The book does not contradict itself instead in an attempt to shape God to their understanding, the many false teachers and false prophets create these contradicting ideas they feed to you instead.

Kobojunkie:

3. Judging by the standard, Jesus Christ, there are near no signs of Him and His Truth of earth today. His light can't really be seen anywhere.

Kobojunkie:

4. Less than 5 years ago, I myself was an atheist so nothing religious or subjective about any of what I stated.

Kobojunkie:

The Old Covenant Law which you claim offer moral lessons to some readers is instead God's Constitution for the Nation of Israel alone -not moral lessons for readers since majority of Bible readers are gentiles and that law isn't intended for them. And so you can't and shouldn't even begin to teach this to youths in God's Name.

Kobojunkie:


6. Throughout my time as an atheist, I never once attacked any one religion because such an atheist would make no logical sense to my existence this since I believe people are entitied to their own brand of delusions.

Now I am no longer that, and yes i take what is written in scripture, particularly that attributed by God literally, but I still don't shove my beliefs at others and I believe people are entitled to their own brand of delusions.

Kobojunkie:

You can give yourself all the reasons you want, but the fact of the matter is this. The reason some of you atheists attack those of the abrahamic faith as well has to do with you being exactly of the same kind as those you love to attack. It's that simple!

Ola17:


You are proposing an ideal region which we can both agree is almost impossible factoring in the human propensity for greed, envy, covetousness, anger etc. Even in Christianity, we have cases of pastors sleeping with members’ spouses and daughters, members swindling each other, pastors tricking members out of their hard earned money and other vices/crimes.

Ola17:

Yes, religion tend to give some people moral compass and meaning to life; but I think those are the people who find it difficult coming into terms with the reality and nature of our existence. Religion may not be inherently bad but it is a very potent tool of great evil in the hands of bad leaders.

AuthenticKing:


Well, this is quite true and it's one of the parts of religion I don't like, teaching people how to suppress/repress their human instincts so they won't go to hell or be punished by God or that they should repress these parts of them because it's what the 'devil' is using to stop them from fulfilling destiny, of which suppressing these instincts is quite impossible.
I'm only proposing this idea because I'm tryna see things the way it is and try to project a better way of doing it. Nigerians are superstitious by nature, that is why we embraced religion with all our heart and soul, so if we succeed in eradicating religion, will reason and science appeal to the average Nigerian with their inherent nature to believe in superstition? Bringing us back to my former question, what better alternative could be used to guide our behavior?


There are freethinking Christians (and maybe Muslims). Martin Luther King is a great example, A Christian who didn't fully accept the Christian belief of we having a better life only in heaven, he believed in we having a better world first (before we can think of a heaven) and this is what drove him to fight for the freedom of the blacks. There were so many things he did that will be abhorred by a normal fundamentalist Christian of his time.
As I proposed, if we could make Nigerians see an intellectual side to Christianity and Islam (since it's practically impossible to eradicate the religion from here), things might just get a little better. Not everyone will be willing to come to terms with the reality of our nature and existence, we could try to do that through what we already believe in. Hope you get my point?

Ola17:


Good point as always.

The thing is superstitious belief isn’t endemic to Nigeria as the Chinese, Indians and Vietnamese are VERY superstitious too. That said, the case of Nigerian is that the elites are quite wicked and evil. I tell you. If they don’t enjoy how the country is they would’ve proposed a different way of doing things. Other developing countries like China are jettisoning many of their superstitious beliefs because they’ve found a better way of doing things. Superstition thrives on ignorance, poverty, insecurity, uncertainties etc.

Believe me, Nigerians will easily give up religion in the face of widespread economic prosperity. Many rich Nigerians are only going to church and mosque to put up an appearance as they are closet atheists, agnostics, freethinkers and humanists.

What I’m proposing is for Nigerians to take back the leadership of their country from this current band of bandits wrecking the country, formulate and enforce good laws that will govern the people. The worst of these bandits I mentioned earlier are Nigerian religious leaders. If there is hell, the hottest part will be reserved for them.

Nnamdipapa:
With all our churches and prayers, na China they borrow us money.

Let somebody shout hallelujah!

SultanOfPuna:
The joy i get when i see churches filled with old people i stead of youths is a sweet joy.

My father and mothers generation took church matter too serious. Im glad i broke that tradition by not going to church.
They called me devil for not following them

i dont blame them, i love them even tho they are ignorant. I still love them.

But what made me happy is that my siblings are following my path and have shunned christianity. Same with many youths today

Religion blocked their common sense
They stopped going to church
Now they are free minded and think more creatively.

Before, a youth was in chains, but now he is free!

Before, he prayed and prayed until his death, but now he lived entering his blessed day without worrying.
Adeboye and co in 20 years. Nobody will attend all those pentecostal scam centers.

Im sooo happy, to realise that this new generation are wayyy smarter than our fathers generation

SultanOfPuna:
The joy i get when i see churches filled with old people i stead of youths is a sweet joy.

My father and mothers generation took church matter too serious. Im glad i broke that tradition by not going to church.
They called me devil for not following them

i dont blame them, i love them even tho they are ignorant. I still love them.

But what made me happy is that my siblings are following my path and have shunned christianity. Same with many youths today

Religion blocked their common sense
They stopped going to church
Now they are free minded and think more creatively.
Adeboye and co in 20 years. Nobody will attend all those pentecostal scam centers.

Im sooo happy, to realise that this new generation are wayyy smarter than our fathers generation

SultanOfPuna:
The joy i get when i see churches filled with old people i stead of youths is a sweet joy.

My father and mothers generation took church matter too serious. Im glad i broke that tradition by not going to church.
They called me devil for not following them

i dont blame them, i love them even tho they are ignorant. I still love them.

But what made me happy is that my siblings are following my path and have shunned christianity. Same with many youths today

Religion blocked their common sense
They stopped going to church
Now they are free minded and think more creatively.
Adeboye and co in 20 years. Nobody will attend all those pentecostal scam centers.

Im sooo happy, to realise that this new generation are wayyy smarter than our fathers generation

SultanOfPuna:
The joy i get when i see churches filled with old people i stead of youths is a sweet joy.

My father and mothers generation took church matter too serious. Im glad i broke that tradition by not going to church.
They called me devil for not following them

i dont blame them, i love them even tho they

But what made me happy is that my siblings are following my path and have shunned christianity. Same with many youths today

Religion blocked their common sense
They stopped going to church
Now they are free minded and think more creatively.
Adeboye and co in 20 years. Nobody will attend all those pentecostal scam centers.

Im sooo happy, to realise that this new generation are wayyy smarter than our fathers generation

SultanOfPuna:

Continue decieving yourself
Oldies fear God pass Americans wey no send God.
But the same oldies live in horrible conditions while Americans have decent welfare, electricity, and more.
If it is by fearing God, the oldies would have been more developed and advanced than Americans that dont fear God.

SultanOfPuna:

We have identified 1 problem, Religion
And im very glad youths are no longer taking religion serious. That is the first step to solving this mess you and the oldies bestowed on us.

Same buhari that was president when our mother was a baby
Is still our present day president.
And Buhari is proof that nothing good can come from the oldies.
Im really really glad that i have convinced my siblings and many others are beginning to see the scam behind pentecostal business centers

citadels:
. Those are not true church of The Most High. If you study the Bible you will get the truth. The church that the apostles handed down is not what they practice so they are not church of the living God. We are many that knows this truth I’m telling. We individually are the temple of the Most High God