Interesting thread.

OkCornel:
Over the centuries, there have been numerous predictions on the second coming of Christ by “powerful MoGs” and acclaimed Biblical scholars which have all failed.

Even on nairaland, we have heard countless times since the platform was created that “the end of time is near and Jesus could arrive at any moment”

I can’t help but wonder why certain scriptures are ignored.

Let us set the ball rolling with a few critical signs believers should watch out for, and also address certain fallacies.

Matthew 24 shows two key signs believers should watch out for. Until these are fulfilled, we and the generations after are still in for a long wait.

First of all, let’s highlight where the confusion lies. Most people mistake the signs for the beginning of birth pains (wars, famines, earthquakes, disasters) as signs for the end time. Read the passage below carefully;



Moving on from these verses which clearly are not the signs to look out for. What then are these signs?



It’s clearly written in verse 14 and 15 the two trigger events that must be fulfilled before the second coming;

1. In verse 14. Not just any gospel, but specifically THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM must be preached to all inhabitants of the earth. This is to prepare the hearts and mind of men for the everlasting order to come. Ever wondered why Jesus’ major sermons and parables is centred around the kingdom of heaven? Can we confidently say this is the gospel the church has preached consistently over the ages?

2. The abomination that causes desolation must be set up in the holy place. Now this one is the interesting part. People have weighed in that this prophecy is already fulfilled in 70 AD when the Romans destroyed the second Jewish temple.

The problem with that conclusion is this. See

There is no historical record of any Roman emperor who made a covenant with many for 7 years and broke it mid-way (especially around 70 AD when the temple was destroyed)

Furthermore, Apostle Paul weighed in on this matter;



Bear in mind there will be a temple of God where this man of lawlessness will proclaim himself to be God. Please where is this temple today? It doesn’t exist. It’s yet to be constructed!

Apostle Paul mentioned we should not be alarmed or unsettled. No one should deceive anyone about the coming of the Lord. It cannot happen until the lawless one is revealed and the temple (which is yet to be constructed) is desecrated and the abomination that causes desolation is set up inside the temple.

If you are up to date on religious matters in Israel, it should come as no surprise there are talks of the third Jewish temple to be constructed.

The main Jewish group leading the charge to rebuild the temple is an organization called Faithful of the Temple Mount, who say they will continue their efforts to re-establish the Jewish temple on the Mount. In Israel, there are students being trained for the priesthood, learning how to conduct animal sacrifices in the rebuilt temple.

IN CONCLUSION;
Until these two events are fulfilled:
1. The gospel of the kingdom is preached to all inhabitants of the earth.

2. The temple is rebuilt, daily sacrifices are restored for a time and subsequently stopped by the man of lawlessness to set up the abomination that causes desolation which prophet Daniel, Jesus and Apostle Paul spoke of.

We cannot jump to the phase where we hold our breathe in anticipation of the return of the Son of Man. Pretty much explains the long wait for over 2000 years now, and why any talks of the world coming to an end is still premature.


Till then, live a spirit filled life and walk in the purpose of the I AM for your life!

Cc: Lalasticlala, Seun, nlfpmod

Thank you very much for this wonderful insight but don't you think that these two event are being unfold gradually but people are being blind to it because Christ also said that when we see the fig tree bearing it's bud we should know that the time is near. The fig tree is gradually bearing it bud and Nations are recognizing it without knowing it's a prophecy being fulfilled.

The temple Christ talked about is not temple built by man, the temple is the word of God in our spirit, the word of God finding a dwelling place in our spirit to break us and mold us to the statue of perfection in Christ and the devil is seriously fighting against the word of God getting into our spirit by giving us things that will take our hearts away from the word of God. Remember the scripture that talked about Prophet Elijah coming with a message that will turn the heart of the father to the children and that of the children to the father or else God will strike the earth with curse. The message of the Elect of God, message of the bride of Christ.


God bless you

Who can interprete the dream king Nebucardnezar saw about the standing statue?

Dalnadoni:
Who can interprete the dream king Nebucardnezar saw about the standing statue?

Daniel already interpreted it.

OkCornel:


The truth is not religion. The truth is not limited to written books.

Truth existed before man invented writing.

The truth is way much more than “holy books”

Tf
I’m very sure you don’t know anything in history
You Probably one those students that despised history or didn’t even do history at all
If not you’ll not be typing jargons

OkCornel:


Daniel already interpreted it.

Yes Daniel interpreted it but do we all understand the meaning of the message being passed? If you study dat prophesy well you will clearly see we are already living in the final part of the fullilment of that prophesy.

Evilblackman:


Tf
I’m very sure you don’t know anything in history
You Probably one those students that despised history or didn’t even do history at all
If not you’ll not be typing jargons

Why are you assuming I know nothing about history?

What topic on history do you want to discuss in the context of this thread?

Dalnadoni:
Yes Daniel interpreted it but do we all understand the meaning of the message being passed? If you study dat prophesy well you will clearly see we are already living in the final part of the fullilment of that prophesy.

Yup, the kingdom of iron and clay.

Ten toes of the feet is same as the 10 horns on the head of the final dreadful beast.

The kingdom has not taken shape fully yet though.

OkCornel:


Did Donald Trump have a covenant with many for 7 years? Daniel 9 v 27

Is there a temple in place where he will declare himself to be God? 2 Thessalonians 2 v 1-4

He will do that in his second reign. Already he has prepared Israel to accept him as their mediator. Presently Trump is facing his political injury. He has brought a false light of awakening to the workings of the deep state. Because he hates the Harlot, he will bring her to her ruins. And that is happening, as the deep state is being taken out, therefore bringing forth the false light of awakening and hope. The world stage is being set with the distress, so that when he comes back to stabilize the world economy and stop the rumours of world war, he will be praised.

kingyakos:





Thank you very much for this wonderful insight but don't you think that these two event are being unfold gradually but people are being blind to it because Christ also said that when we see the fig tree bearing it's bud we should know that the time is near. The fig tree is gradually bearing it bud and Nations are recognizing it without knowing it's a prophecy being fulfilled.

The temple Christ talked about is not temple built by man, the temple is the word of God in our spirit, the word of God finding a dwelling place in our spirit to break us and mold us to the statue of perfection in Christ and the devil is seriously fighting against the word of God getting into our spirit by giving us things that will take our hearts away from the word of God. Remember the scripture that talked about Prophet Elijah coming with a message that will turn the heart of the father to the children and that of the children to the father or else God will strike the earth with curse. The message of the Elect of God, message of the bride of Christ.


God bless you

Thanks for taking time through to read.

The temple in this context is a physical temple.

2 Thessalonians 2 v 1-4 and Revelation 11 v 1-3 makes it clear.

Faber:
I know the signs of the end, make I tell una, see no be wars, no be climate change, no be rising sea levels etc.

When you see Mormon temples all over the countries of the Earth and the major cities and suburbs of the Earth, know that the end is near.

As the trumpet will sound for the saints of the latter-days to rise and join the creator in heaven for eternal Glory. Those who never believed in the restoration gospel of Jesus Christ as handed over to the Mormons will be the eternal victims

Thank you but there two things in your comment i wish to correct.
1: The trumpet is not just a trumpet sound but the word of God coming from the mouth of his Prophet. Just like Moses sounds a trumpet of warning to the Egyptians and the Gospel to the Israelites.
2: There's nothing like eternal victims because God alone is eternal. All victims (sinners) will perish. For victims to remain eternal simply mean God is there with them which you and i know God can't be with them.
God has stated it clear that the wages of sin is death and all sinner most die, there's nothing like eternal hell.

2elliot:
He will do that in his second reign. Already he has prepared Israel to accept him as their mediator. Presently Trump is facing his political injury. He has brought a false light of awakening to the workings of the deep state. Because he hates the Harlot, he will bring her to her ruins. And that is happening, as the deep state is being taken out, therefore bringing forth the false light of awakening and hope. The world stage is being set with the distress, so that when he comes back to stabilize the world economy and stop the rumours of world war, he will be praised.

Till that happens, it’s all speculation.

If there’s no temple in place for the lawless one to commit the abomination of desolation, nothing dey happen.

OkCornel:


Yup, the kingdom of iron and clay.

Ten toes of the feet is same as the 10 horns on the head of the final dreadful beast.

The kingdom has not taken shape fully yet though.

Absolutely correct...

OkCornel:


As expected emotional outbursts with no scriptural references to back up their position

Perhaps Apostle Paul is a dog of Satan for writing 2 Thessalonians 2 v 1-4. Infact, the entire chapter explains everything so clearly.


2 Thessalonians 2 v 1-4;

1.Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,

2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.

3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for THAT DAY WILL NOT COME UNTIL the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up IN GOD’S TEMPLE, proclaiming himself to be God.



1. Bear in mind there will be a temple of God where this man of lawlessness will proclaim himself to be God. Please where is this temple today? It doesn’t exist. It’s yet to be constructed!

2. Apostle Paul mentioned we should not be alarmed or unsettled. No one should deceive anyone about the coming of the Lord. It cannot happen until the lawless one is revealed and the temple (which is yet to be constructed) is desecrated and the abomination that causes desolation is set up inside the temple.

3. The man of lawlessness who will offer a covenant of peace for 7 years with many as written in Daniel 9 v 27 is yet to be revealed.

I think your point will be made clearer if you draw a distinction between the second coming of Christ which Paul alluded to here as well as Matthew 24 and the rapture (the catching up of the saints with the Lord in the skies) (which I believe will occur at least 7 years before the second coming). Looking at the events happening, I think the rapture is just about to happen, and then the great tribulation.

chymeze:

I think your point will be made clearer if you draw a distinction between the second coming of Christ which Paul alluded to here as well as Matthew 24 and the rapture (the catching up of the saints with the Lord in the skies) (which I believe will occur at least 7 years before the second coming). Looking at the events happening, I think the rapture is just about to happen, and then the great tribulation.

Paul mentioned the coming of Christ will happen at THE LAST TRUMPET.

Is there any trumpet after the one in Matthew 24 v 31?

If the last trumpet according to those who believe in pretribulation rapture is before the coming of the Antichrist, are the 7 trumpets in the book of Revelation the “trumpets after THE LAST TRUMPET?”

These questions expose the fallacy of pretribulation rapture doctrine.

The “rapture” is one of the events that’ll happen at the second coming of Christ.

Thessalonians is one of the pillars for the foundation for believing in a rapture of the Church.

Let me clarify what i believe it says and mean, its how i have come to understand it.

1 Thessalonians 5

3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5 You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6 So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8 But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. 9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10 He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. 11 Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.


2 Thessalonians 2
The Man of Lawlessness
Lets look at 2 Thessalonians 2, notice it is talking about the day of the lord, what is coming before the day of the lord,

1) If you look at it closely, its says the first thing that happens is a falling away ( very likely i believe is the rapture)
2) Then the Son of perdition is revealed

If you read further it explains further, that Son of perdition cannot be revealed until the one who withstands, is removed out of the way.

The one who can withstand the devil is either God the father, God the son Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit also known as the spirit of Christ.

We know that the Holy Spirit came upon the church. Therefore if the Church is removed from the scene, the holy spirit goes up with the church.


So read Thessalonians maybe you will come to this understanding.

2 Thessalonians
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9

Finally look at this

1 Thessalonians 4:13-17

13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

OkCornel:


2 Thessalonians 2 v 1-4;

1.Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,

2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.

3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for THAT DAY WILL NOT COME UNTIL the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up IN GOD’S TEMPLE, proclaiming himself to be God.


The rapture happens to be very close, and it could happen this year, since The world events and the timing seems to suggest so, so this year and the coming years are very important, very very important to watch for.

OkCornel:


Till that happens, it’s all speculation.

If there’s no temple in place for the lawless one to commit the abomination of desolation, nothing dey happen.

How long does it take to approve and build a temple in this modern days? The Abraham accord has worked well so far, and will help fasten the negotiations when once Trump gets back to office. And besides, other prophesies could as well take place alongside others. The two blemishless red heifers according to the prophesies are already available. Donald Trump, which means the leader of the world as the Bible had said already, being the god of this world, has finally come in his name.
Donald Trump fits the bill as he works perfectly well with the timing of Israel. The generations of those who saw Israel rebirth will not pass before the lawless one appears. 70yrs has gone since Israel was form. There is no more time.

Fools. Death comes eventually!

OkCornel:


Thanks for taking time through to read.

The temple in this context is a physical temple.

2 Thessalonians 2 v 1-4 and Revelation 11 v 1-3 makes it clear.

2 Thessalonians 2:4 (KJV) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Brother the above context in scripture is referring to the Pope. It's the Pope that has taken the place of God on earth, taken all the exaltation of God to his self, forming an image against God. Remember the 1st mass of Pope Francis at immaculate basilica, at the end of the mass he said in the name of the Catholic Church and of the Pope before he threw the flower to the crowd.
Remember what is written beneath the cap on Pope's head, it's written " instead of the son of man".

Jesus Christ will not return until the church has been built but before then the unbelievers will perish like the plague, nations rise against nations as in matthew 24:7
Amen..

MrPresident1:
Come to the Watchers' thread let me put you to Bible death there. dog

No, He doesn’t need to come to You…..
Clarify with biblical verses here too just as he did for all to see so we self go fit reason Your point of view..
And callin him a dog isn’t just necessary, You no be Christian again?

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=110787155]There is a misconception regarding what Jesus said @ Matthew 24, most Bible scholars were confused because the text mistranslated "COMING" could be best rendered "PRESENCE"
Jesus' modern day disciples also got it wrong and for years they had the misconception that Jesus will COME in person but when they later discovered that the text was talking about his PRESENCE they readjust their views.

First of all we need to know what happened immediately Jesus left the earth after saying "Goodbye" to his first century Jewish disciples.
He went straight to heaven and took his position at the right hand side of Almighty God! Act 7:56 compare to Psalms 110:1

So what is the result of Jesus' prophecy at Matthew 24?
First of all Jerusalem must be punished for all the atrocities committed against God's ancient servants and most especially against God's anointed one (Jesus Christ) Matthew 23:37-38
After the destruction of Jerusalem in the first century the Israelites were scattered abroad so their hope as a nation to welcome another Messiah is gone which means they've lost their chances of getting acquainted with the Christ except for few Jews who were able to recognize the Christ when he was in their midst! Matthew 16:13-20

But Jesus' PRESENCE will still be longer than that. WHY?
Because he must first oust nonentities in the spirit realms {Revelations 12:7-12} in preparation for his co-rulers who will be taken to heaven where he promised them {John 14:1-4} when this occur the first to go are his born again brothers who are still sleeping in death then one after the other those living among that set will join them after their earthly course! 1Thessalonians 4:16

But what will all these mean for Jesus' disciples who are going to inherit everlasting life on the earth? Matthew 5:5 compare to Psalms 37:29

Jesus must continue to guide them until the end of wicked people and their badness so he has to be PRESENT {Matthew 18:20} as a mighty spirit King directing them through the remains of his born again brothers who are still running their earthly course! Matthew 24:45

Since 1914 Jesus has returned to this planet as a mighty spirit King directing his true disciples on what they must keep doing until it's time to exterminate all opposers of his rule {Luke 19:27} that's why they are no part of the world's political movements killing one another due to the selfish ambitions of the rulers they elected upon themselves! Revelations 6:3-4

So today Jesus is here working with his own group and gathering obedient mankind from all the corners of the earth under one umbrella! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

They are now worshiping their God unitedly as their mighty spirit warrior King Archangel Michael (Jesus Christ) {Daniel 12:1-3} is leading them to victory over mankind's greatest enemy Satan the devil! Revelations 6:1-2 compare to Revelations 12:7

Good morning OkCornel, God bless you and may you have PEACE! [/quote


I knew u would be a jehova witness member how is Angel micheal Jesus Christ

No be juju be that

OkCornel:


Paul mentioned the coming of Christ will happen at THE LAST TRUMPET.

Is there any trumpet after the one in Matthew 24 v 31?

If the last trumpet according to those who believe in pretribulation rapture is before the coming of the Antichrist, are the 7 trumpets in the book of Revelation the “trumpets after THE LAST TRUMPET?”

These questions expose the fallacy of pretribulation rapture doctrine.

The “rapture” is one of the events that’ll happen at the second coming of Christ.

Read that very chapter again in 1 thessalonians 4:13-18, and you have to juxtapose these with events described in revelations and Daniel. Paul says when the trumpet is blown (he didn't even mention the LAST trumpet lolz), the dead in Christ will rise first and then we who are alive will meet them IN THE SKIES (not on the earth). There's a clear difference between the rapture and the second coming. The rapture describes how we meet Christ in the clouds and then the wedding feast occurs in heaven while the great tribulation occurs on earth for 7 years (this is where revelations comes in handy). The second coming of Christ implies the landing of Christ on EARTH with his SAINTS to fight the antichrist at the end of 7 years as clearly described in revelations and Daniel. Now if the rapture was the same as the second coming like you suppose, how can saints who are on earth (as described in thessalonians) come down from heaven at the same time to fight the antichrist (as in revelations and Daniel)? After the antichrist is defeated at the second coming then Christ and the saints will reign on earth for a thousands years. During this period the devil will be locked up to prevent him from deceiving the world. At the end of a thousand year reign of Christ on earth, the devil will be released from his prison, and this time he would go and gather his armies for the final fight against Christ at Armageddon. Of course he'd eventually be defeated and thrown into the lake of fire. Then the new earth will be unveiled from heaven by God as a bride. This is just a summary of the events that would take place till the end. Try to study in details the books of revelation, Daniel, Matthew 24 and 1thesalonians and they'd make perfect sense.
Also the 7 trumpets in the book of revelations describes judgements and sequences of events that would occur on the Earth during the TRIBULATION (after the saints would have been raptured). These trumpets are blown in heaven from the very throne room of God and not from the SKIES of the earth as in the one that heralds the rapture.
Shalom

OkCornel:


Why are you assuming I know nothing about history?

What topic on history do you want to discuss in the context of this thread?

“Truth existed before man invented writing.”

What do mean

paxonel:
THE BIGGEST CONFUSION HERE IS THAT, MANY CHRISTIANS TODAY THINK JESUS INCLUDED THEM WHEN HE TOLD HIS DISCIPLES "YOU" (In the statement YOU will hear of wars and rumours of wars)
NOT MINDING THAT THE TIME OF THESE DISCIPLES JESUS WAS TALKING TO, WHO ACTUALLY HEARD AND SAW THE RUMOURS OF WARS, HAVE PASS.
AND THAT THEY TODAY CHRISTIANS, ARE LIVING IN TODAY, AND THE "YOU" USED BY JESUS WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE DISCIPLES OF THAT TIME, NOT YOU WHO IS LIVING NOW OR TODAY ANYMORE, OR ANY OTHER TIME IN OUR FUTURE.

Only intelligent mind will understand this.

Spiritual illiterate

Paul writing to the Thessalonians confirmed the the "YOU" wasn't referring to the desciples alone

OkCornel:


Thanks for taking time through to read.

The temple in this context is a physical temple.

2 Thessalonians 2 v 1-4 and Revelation 11 v 1-3 makes it clear.

Revelation 11:1-3 (KJV) And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.




Verse 1 in the above scripture let us to understand that the Gospel of Christ through Grace must 1st of all be preached to the Gentiles first before it get back to the Jews because their Messiah Christ came but they rejected him (the sun rise in the east and set in the west and in the evening time it goes back to the east).

The 3rd verse talking about the two witnesses that will take the Gospel of Christ back to the Jews and preach to them, and it will happen when the Gentiles dispensation is over.
The two witnesses are Moses and Elijah, if you read the scripture down you will see where the scripture says that the two witnesses has the power to shut down heaven so it won't rain, they've power to turn water to blood and smite the earth with plague as often as they want.
Now who in the scripture shut heaven that it didn't rain "Elijah" and who in the scripture turns water to blood and smite the Egyptians with plagues "Moses.

This is a very good submission. The one clear sign giving to us is the occupation of the temple by the "Evil one".
In the days to come, Israel will enter into an agreement with those that want them gone. I believe this will be an agreement with the muslim world, but it will not last and they would reinforce and move to conquer Jerusalem and specifically, the temple mount... Seating on the throne, the evil one will be revealed.
and this is also corroborated by the Muslim hadith, as they believe Jesus will come to lead the war against the Jews and Christians, and the end will not come until Jerusalem is theirs.

The Abrahamic Accord is one movement working seriously to help broke a deal between Israel and its neighbours.

MrPresident1:
Come to the Watchers' thread let me put you to Bible death there. dog

The manner you bark at people,are you sure you are not the dog? because even if you are the one saying the truth,i might not have the patience to listen to you if you are barking this way.

MaxInDHouse:
There is a misconception regarding what Jesus said @ Matthew 24, most Bible scholars were confused because the text mistranslated "COMING" could be best rendered "PRESENCE"
Jesus' modern day disciples also got it wrong and for years they had the misconception that Jesus will COME in person but when they later discovered that the text was talking about his PRESENCE they readjust their views.

First of all we need to know what happened immediately Jesus left the earth after saying "Goodbye" to his first century Jewish disciples.
He went straight to heaven and took his position at the right hand side of Almighty God! Act 7:56 compare to Psalms 110:1

So what is the result of Jesus' prophecy at Matthew 24?
First of all Jerusalem must be punished for all the atrocities committed against God's ancient servants and most especially against God's anointed one (Jesus Christ) Matthew 23:37-38
After the destruction of Jerusalem in the first century the Israelites were scattered abroad so their hope as a nation to welcome another Messiah is gone which means they've lost their chances of getting acquainted with the Christ except for few Jews who were able to recognize the Christ when he was in their midst! Matthew 16:13-20

But Jesus' PRESENCE will still be longer than that. WHY?
Because he must first oust nonentities in the spirit realms {Revelations 12:7-12} in preparation for his co-rulers who will be taken to heaven where he promised them {John 14:1-4} when this occur the first to go are his born again brothers who are still sleeping in death then one after the other those living among that set will join them after their earthly course! 1Thessalonians 4:16

But what will all these mean for Jesus' disciples who are going to inherit everlasting life on the earth? Matthew 5:5 compare to Psalms 37:29

Jesus must continue to guide them until the end of wicked people and their badness so he has to be PRESENT {Matthew 18:20} as a mighty spirit King directing them through the remains of his born again brothers who are still running their earthly course! Matthew 24:45

Since 1914 Jesus has returned to this planet as a mighty spirit King directing his true disciples on what they must keep doing until it's time to exterminate all opposers of his rule {Luke 19:27} that's why they are no part of the world's political movements killing one another due to the selfish ambitions of the rulers they elected upon themselves! Revelations 6:3-4

So today Jesus is here working with his own group and gathering obedient mankind from all the corners of the earth under one umbrella! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

They are now worshiping their God unitedly as their mighty spirit warrior King Archangel Michael (Jesus Christ) {Daniel 12:1-3} is leading them to victory over mankind's greatest enemy Satan the devil! Revelations 6:1-2 compare to Revelations 12:7

Good morning OkCornel, God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Just see how these people conjure the word PRESENCE to replace COMING just to support their 1914 invention even when it is in clear contradiction of the words of Christ Himself

Mat 18:19-20:
"Again I say to you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the middle of them."

John 14:17-18:
" Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but you know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."


Luk 24:49:
"And, behold, I send the promise of my Father on you: but tarry you in the city of Jerusalem, until you be endued with power from on high."


Act2:1-13 told us exactly that this did not occur in 1914.
However,
I am sure for JWs, Mat18:19-20, John 14:17-18 and Lk24:49 refers to 1914!

Abi!
Is this not presence of Christ among believers!?

Jesus has returned since. Its just that you guys were wrongly taught to expect to see a spirit with your physical eyes.

When his disciples asked him "Of the signs of his PRESENCE." The signs started since a long time ago. You guys are still waiting for his PRESENCE

Not until Peter Obi is elected.
If you want Jesus to come back, vote wisely, vote Obi.

surah 56:66 We have been penalized.
someone is punishing allah. hahahahahahahahaha