haekymbahd:
According to christians God chose Isaac as the promise child. Now Jesus was not of the lineage of Isaac nor David because he was said to be born miraculously without no earthly father.

Can we now call Jesus a false prophet/God?

Dtruthspeaker:


What? Are you that mad? Did the Bible show that Jesus came through Ishmael, or Laban?

haekymbahd:
but the bible lied with what it showed by trying to link Jesus with isaac the promise child.

Matthew 1:1–17 begins the Gospel, "A record of the origin of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham: Abraham begot Isaac, ..." and continues on until "... Jacob begot Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.


How did Joseph became the Father of Jesus. Jesus was not a descendant of isaac..

haekymbahd:
l"... Jacob begot Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Dtruthspeaker:


IS JACOB NOT THE SON OF ISAAC, EH! Abi he is the son of Laban or Ishmael?

It seems you are getting madder by the week!

AntiChristian:

The lineage of Mary was not mentioned in the Bible.

Only that of Joseph was mentioned twice with two different genealogies!

And Jesus has no ancestors as mother's ancestors do not count in those times till now!

AntiChristian:

So the Jacob that gave birth to Joseph is the same Jacob of Isaac?

And was how was Joseph Jesus's father by blood and genealogy again?

So many lies from you o!

MaxInDHouse:


Matthew recorded the lineage of Mary that's why he mentioned her name as the person through whom Joseph became SON-in-law in Mary's genealogy! Matthew 1:16


Luke recorded what everyone around Judea knew since the child was born to Joseph so he said "as the general opinion of people around" Luke 3:30

So from both sides Jesus is related to Isaac whether we follow the opinion of people around or the fact that the pregnancy and birth was miraculous!

Dtruthspeaker:


These Muslims are mad O, did the line bend to Laban or the bastard Ishmael or even Esau? Eh

It's like this ram-a- dam fasting is making Muslims madder!

AntiChristian:


You're the mad liar here.
I asked you a question that needs an answer!

Lent turned you to an acute liar!

Dtruthspeaker:
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Right in here, your madness is seen whilst it is clear before everyone's eyes that Christ line, did not come from the bastard Ishmael or from laban or from Esau, IF NOT YOU WOULD HAVE SHOWN US ALL, BUT YOU HAVE NOTHING.

So plenty is wrong with you moo-thins, I mean moo slims.

Dtruthspeaker:
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Right in here, your madness is seen whilst it is clear before everyone's eyes that Christ line, did not come from the bastard Ishmael or from laban or from Esau, IF NOT YOU WOULD HAVE SHOWN US ALL, BUT YOU HAVE NOTHING.

So plenty is wrong with you moo-thins, I mean moo slims.

AntiChristian:


Your God blessed the Ishmael you called bastard above. That means you abused one whom your God blessed! Anyways, cretins only have minute sense!

AntiChristian:

As for your bastard claim your Bible says:
So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian slave Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife. Gen 16:3

Dtruthspeaker:


Blessings is no thing to God. Adam and Eve were still blessed even though they got thrown out. And even right in the middle of his blessings was Curses too. Blessings, is no thing to God.

Ishmael is still an unlawful seed that should have nevermind been planted the same way Cain should have never been born!



1) Women do not give wives.

2) Wives do not give wives!

These are unlawful!

AntiChristian:

where was Ishmael cursed?

AntiChristian:

Which Bible verse forbid the marriage?

Dtruthspeaker:


Are you not pro-Ishmael? and a very unreasonably biased one for that matter, you can never see anything reasonably wrong and bad about Ishmael.



See, how you change Truth! What I said is clearly expressed but now, you have fraudulently changed it to another thing,

Yet, you think you are reasonable and sane?

AntiChristian:


It sure amazes me how you tey come out of secondary school. Quote the verse where he was cursed?

Show us how the marriage of Hagar ought to be?

Dtruthspeaker:


School and life don teach me say you be mad person and nobody fit talk to mad person!

AntiChristian:


Can you mention who else uses a woman's genealogy in the whole Bible?

The genealogy of Mary is not even for Jesus as he was simply a word from God.

Adoption does not make up for blood relationship!

Jesus was never related to Joseph by blood!

The Messiah had to be of the line of David (Jeremiah 33:15–17; Isaiah 9:7), so two gospels provide genealogies of Jesus to validate this requirement. The problem is that we only need to go back one generation, to Joseph’s father, to find a problem.

Jacob [was] the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah (Matthew 1:16).

Jesus . . . was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli (Luke 3:23).

There is just one unique male biological line that would terminate in Joseph, so at least one of these genealogies is wrong. And it’s hard to imagine that an ordinary Joe like Joseph would have a reliable record of his genealogy going back generations. Worse, Joseph wasn’t the biological father of Jesus, so his genealogy is irrelevant. If being in the line of David is a requirement, then having a god for a father makes you ineligible.

The most common rebuttal is to say that the Luke genealogy is for Mary, but the text makes clear that it’s for Joseph. Anyway, why would you provide the genealogy of the parent from whom descent from David wouldn’t count?
We’re seeing the incompatible clash of two ideas: Jesus inherits David’s throne and Jesus was the son of God.

MaxInDHouse:


Note that Luke traced everything back to Adam and concluded that by saying:

the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God. Luke 3:38

So the point Luke made is clear Sir, Jesus is God's Son just as Adam is God's Son.
As God's first earthly Son, Adam was instructed to take charge of everything on the planet {Genesis 1:28} now that Adam has failed another perfect man would have to come in and do the needful as King.
David was sitting on the throne of Israel as the representative of the God of Israel whereas all the commandments (constitution) of that nation was instituted by God.
So Jesus' qualifications as King to inherit that throne is what Luke is emphasizing, whether you like it or not Jesus is God's Son and it's through the lineage of David that a foster father (Joseph) was born!

Matthew was talking about the mother through whom Jesus was born and Mary is from the bloodline of King David!

AntiChristian:


But I think you're the maddest and also the most arrogant ignorant on this thread!

AntiChristian:


I know you will just keep repeating the same thing with different words.

Jesus has no earthly father to deserve a genealogy. The termination of both genealogy stops at Joseph, Mary's husband. Apparently, the other children of Mary are more qualified to be the descendants of David.

AntiChristian:

I know you will just keep repeating the same thing with different words.

Jesus has no earthly father to deserve a genealogy. The termination of both genealogy stops at Joseph, Mary's husband. Apparently, the other children of Mary are more qualified to be the descendants of David.

MaxInDHouse:


Mary is from the bloodline of King David so you can't remove Jesus from the bloodline since Mary (his mom) is from that lineage!

AntiChristian:

Do you claim your mum's lineage?
Give a clear proof Mary's lineage is in the Bible?

MaxInDHouse:


Barrack Obama, Jerry Rawlings, Obafemi Awolowo all claimed their mum's lineage Sir!

Obama is from East Africa but he ruled the United States Of America because his mother is an American.

Jerry Rawlings is an American but he ruled Ghana because his mom is a Ghanaian.

Obafemi Awolowo is from Ìliṣàn but he claimed Ìkẹ́nẹ́ his mom's home town.

So what stops Jesus from ruling over his mother's people?
Ọ̀gbẹ́ni it's logical for a child to rule over his mother's people so stop deceiving yourself with Arabian lies!

AntiChristian:


At least you are an old man. We expect you to be mature both in words and deeds.
I asked if you claim your mother's lineage but you decided to bring in Obama, Jerry Rawlings and Obafemi Awolowo.

Are we discussing citizenship here? Those countries accept citizenship from either of the parent.

All those you mentioned were not born without their father's sperm like Jesus.
These people all retained the genealogy of their father and not their mother.

I think you are getting more and more illogical as you type!

Lastly Citizenship is not Genealogy!

Citizenship is the position or status of being a citizen of a particular country.

Genealogy on the other hand is a line of descent traced continuously from an ancestor.

MaxInDHouse:



Perhaps you should go back to those Bible verses again.
Matthew and Luke were emphasizing on Jesus' credentials to sit on the throne of David and as a child born through Mary the great-grand daughter of King David Jesus is qualified.
That's the point Sir!