etrange:


If the boy is not a boy but a man who was paid to give away his kidney, then he's guilty. So if the senator can't prove it was a donation, the boy will also be indicted especially now that it's been proven he's not a boy.

Nozino:


I do not claim to be a legal expert. From what I read on the story from ccn, the young boy already said that he had no idea that he was trafficked to the UK to have his organs harvested.

Why is it difficult for you to believe that a Nigerian politician can lie and probably take advantage of this boy?

And yes, it is very easy and believable that a Deputy Senator whose entire family is based on the UK offered him a job in the UK!!!

Gemma11:


That is not how it works my love...previous UK Law Student here.

Nozino:


I’m not saying anything. The boy claimed he wasn’t aware and that Is what I’m working with.

etrange:


Why is it hard for me to believe a Nigerian politician can lie? What are you saying? Do you think I'm here to defend a politician I don't even know? I've been saying the case could go either ways and as of now, there is not telling how it'd end cause any of the parties could be lying (or even both).

The question is, why is so hard for you to believe that a poor Nigerian guy could easily lie to get asylum?

Ayed44:
He stated it clearly in the letter that the boy was going to donate an organ to his daughter. He didn't make it secret. Read the letter here.

With your choice of words, I know u don't like him, but let the truth be the truth.

an0daGuy:
I don’t care. They swindled him into coming to the uk all in a bid to harvest the poor lads kidney.

Both ekweremadu and his wife must be thrown in jail and the keys thrown in the sea and swallowed by a shark.

Let pdp turn to fishermen to try and save them

djon78:



You ain't making any sense
Did you really think this your reply through

None of the relatives agreed to give there organs, even the siblings couldn't give, it's now a stranger, a young man in his 20s that will now donate his organ willingly without financial inducement

Even if he signed a document, the court will ask whether it was willingly or financial inducement

This is where the case is tight for the Ekweremadus

Gemma11:


The very fact that Ekweremadu purchased this boy's ticket to the UK, paid his visa fee, accomodated him at his home in London is enough payment and incentive to allow any poor youth from the streets of Lagos to a percieved better life in the UK.

The guy won't end up in jail over this as it would be easy to prove that he is the vulnerable poor one lured by the rich Senator and his wife.
You guys don't understand that this ban of buying organs is a safeguarding measure to protect the poor who can be easily lured in by rich people to sell their body parts at price. The law serves a levelling ground for all regardless of wealth of the individual. Nobody wants to live in a world where only poor people reduced to just bodies of spare parts for rich people to buy at will. Do you?

jaxxy:


That young man claiming minor is a goner. He will ome back to Nigeria and dance with the tiger

Nozino:


I promise you that this case can only go one way.


Easy. The boy has to reason to lie to gain asylum!!! If he puts in an asylum request today, he would get it immediately. His life is already at risk and the Nigerian government helped his case by sending a delegation to “assist “ the organ harvesting senator and has done nothing to help the poor boy who is also a Nigerian citizen.

etrange:


That's the danger of a single story. There are multiple parties involved here and each has thier own story. Why would a neutral person decide to world with one person's story? The point here is that we don't have enough to say who's lying at the moment.

ThinkSmarter:
If the UK government is going to deport him back to the country.
They will put some measures like making Ekweremadu to sign some papers.
You think the whites are clowns.
They are naturally ahead.

etrange:


That's why I said it's not straightforward. In the absence of any paperworks, the court has to hear the guy's story to know how he thought a senator who didn't know him from anywhere would just decide to take him abroad, give him a job and a huge amount of money for nothing.

etrange:


You're talking about asylum when the case hasn't been decided. The outcome of this case is about who is guilty and who isn't. His asylum or the absence of thereof is a different case that would require a different hearing. So when I say the case could go either way, that wasn't even on the table. The senator may or may not be guilty. That's what I meant. He could be lying, the boy could be lying too.

Nozino:



Thank you sir.

Nozino:


We do.

Let’s use myself as an example. If I agree to donate my kidney to you and you agree to sponsor my medicals in the UK, I would make it a requirement that irrespective of the outcome, I’d get some benefits. So if the outcome isn’t positive, and I get paid what we agreed on, why would I report you?

I can ask for enough to pay for a deposit to pursue my MSc. I won’t mind returning to Nigeria after I have been paid to perfect my plans.

But what happens when you promised me a job only to be told by a Dr that I was getting tested to check my kidney compatibility with another person, someone I don’t know? To be an organ donor to a person I have never said hello to? Of course I’d tell the Dr that I have no idea I was trafficked to get my organs harvested.

The criminal senator going for a vulnerable, poor , educated orphan says everything I need to know about this case.

Nozino:


Na wa for you. You asked if the boy can’t lie to claim asylum and i replied accordingly.

etrange:


If you are interested in asylum, you'd easily lie against him. Not everyone is interested in MSc and the only legal way to remain in the abroad without job or education is asylum. So no matter what the senator promised, it's possible he went for the big fish. Besides, the mere fact that lying could help you stay in the UK without having to donate your kidney is motif enough. You get to have the best of both worlds.

The key word is in the paragraph above is "possible". Something you've refused to acknowledge.

etrange:


You made reference to my statement thar it could end either ways. And I'm saying asylum wasn't even part of what I meant when I made that statement.

Nozino:



You can consider all this but the fact that the boy was trafficked to have his organs harvested without his consent?

etrange:


If he's lying, then it's not without his consent. And I just gave you the possible reasons why he might be lying.

Gemma11:


The UK Law is complex...

This is what the MSA 2015 also says about consent

It is irrelevant whether the victim consents to the travel (whether V is an adult or child)
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/modern-slavery-human-trafficking-and-smuggling?fbclid=IwAR3RY4i3TnMvQyWis2AFPpGVwqM2Bwl55uGeCYrrE7KYJZbcSprrOVq_keQ

Bottom line, One is not allowed to bring anyone into the UK for the purposes of organ donation, whether that person consented to or not...end of story.

Donar Visa's are specifically issued only to family members or close unrelated indivuals to the recipient only after a match has been identified.

Nozino:


And I also give you several reasons why he isn’t.

etrange:


All these are valid it there are no explicit transactions between the parties. When the law says that both the buyer and seller are culpable, you think it doesn't know that the seller would likely be the poorer one?

Mrtaye:

This case is very simple,"consent"is the keyword here and I am very sure the boy consented before traveling to London or was it just a jamboree that the senator paid for

etrange:


You gave me reasons why he might not be lying.

Gemma11:


Will the flight to the UK, the free accomodation & Food can all be deemed as incentives in the UK Courts. It doesn't have to be a pure cash transfer.

Human Tissue Act 2004 section 32 or 33

etrange:



When I say the boy might also be lying, it doesn't necessarily mean the senator is not guilty. I'm not defending the senator, I'm saying there's a possibility the boy is not being truthful himself. Like you said, the law is complex indeed. That's why we can't decisively say what the outcome would be. The whole idea here is proving that it was "human trafficking" especially given the fact that genuine donor would still go through a similar process.