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Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by TenQ: 9:32am On Aug 24, 2022 |
LordReed:My response was to Dthruthspeaker and generic in nature. Atheists want a God that can be reduced to the level of laboratory instruments: |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:42am On Aug 24, 2022 |
TenQ: |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:44am On Aug 24, 2022 |
LordReed: His actions, words and disposition clearly proves that he is one! |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:48am On Aug 24, 2022 |
Faith in God is all about Holiness and holiness connotes purity, when we say something is PURE it simply means we can't find it's match not that hypocrites won't speak against it but ask for a replacement its then you will know that they are just arguing blindly! JEHOVAH the God of Israel claims to be Holy not that faithless individuals won't have something to say against Him but no matter their complaint they will never ever meet up with the standard Jehovah set that is yielding positivity among His WITNESSES! This is what HOLINESS means! |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by LordReed(m): 10:02am On Aug 24, 2022 |
TenQ: Well what use is a god that can't show up in any way? |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by LordReed(m): 10:04am On Aug 24, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker: So even if he when he says he believes there is an intelligent designer, he's still an atheist because he doesn't believe in your brand of god? 1 Like |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:15am On Aug 24, 2022 |
LordReed:Atheism has been erroneously described as lack of belief in deities but the truth is that anyone who can't decipher holiness as in purity in anyone is indisputably an atheist! |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by Image123(m): 12:25pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
LordReed: Show up for what again? Billions of people give "testimony" of how God showed up for them. How many shows gaan gaan. |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by LordReed(m): 12:35pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: LoLz. So if you are not a mind reader you are an atheist? I laugh in Swahili. Bwahahahahaha! |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by Wilgrea7(m): 12:36pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
TenQ: But this is exactly what I said. It is only the actions of the third parties, which in the case of a God, the creations, that can be seen as good or bad. I don't see how the actions of the shoemaker, or a God, which are, and will always be backed by reasons, can be good, or bad. Especially since in the case of God, the reasons are the criteria by which good and bad are judged. If the possibility of an action deviating from the reasons of the shoemaker/God cannot exist, then on what basis would the action be called right or wrong? That's why I said going by the concept you proposed, your God simply cannot be Holy, or unholy. If Holiness is based on alignment with his reason, and his actions are always backed by reasons, irrespective of what they are, then classifying them as holy or unholy simply doesn't make sense. His actions can't also be classified as perfect because there can be no deviation from what he intends to do. His actions and his reason cannot be separated from each other, and hence, the former cannot be judged based on the latter. And because of that, it makes no sense to ascribe titles like holiness or perfection to him. There are TWO frames of Reference for our understanding of good and evil. This is an issue of subjective morality vs objective morality. Of course, if a God is seen as the highest possible power, and the arbiter of good and evil, then his definition of good at that point in time is what flies. I don't have an issue with right and wrong in that context. I could still bring up an argument or two in favor of the humans.. but i think that's another debate entirely |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by LordReed(m): 12:37pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
Image123: Your fellow believer said your god cannot be seen in a lab so go ask him. |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by Dtruthspeaker: 1:02pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
LordReed: We can see that he does not truly believe in his intelligent designer nor ever lays on it. No where does he act on his belief thereby confirming the truth of this quote "He does not believe that does not live according to his belief." Thomas Fuller His living and words and actions rather shows that his belief is anti-God aka atheism. |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by Image123(m): 1:05pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
LordReed: You need God in a lab for what, assistant? |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by LordReed(m): 1:10pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
Image123: As I said ask your fellow believer. |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by Wilgrea7(m): 1:10pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
TenQ: Not my intention. Sometimes I'm in a hurry when I'm typing.. and don't bother to capitalize G's... But also, I thought God was more of a title than a name. Anyways.. point taken God has given us rules by which to measure our actions as good or evil. I think this goes back to the analogy of perception of the creator vs perception of the created. On one hand, you have good and evil being based on the reasons/purpose of the creator And on the other hand, you have good and bad being based on the 3 rules you listed above. Do you realize that it is entirely possible, for the thing we consider good, based on your 3 rules.. to be considered bad if the reasons/purpose of your God by any means runs in opposition to them? Let me explain. If your God can take any action, and those actions will always have reasons behind them, and the reasons are the final and highest criteria for what good and evil should be (as you've said), then it is entirely possible for your God to take an action which would change the definition of good and evil, and therefore make something we consider good, based on the 3 rules, to be considered bad. As far as the 3 criteria go.. at least 2 of them .. conscience and reason, can be used to justify a number of things from our perspective. The case of the 2 adolescents are a good exmaple. And the 3rd reason.. which are the words in scripture.. are words written based on his reasons/purpose at a point in time. Since he can take any action which will be based on reasons which must be considered the new highest authority, then his new purpose or reasons could in fact counter what was previously written in the bible. It is like the story of the shoemaker which we both gave, where they can later decide to keep, or destroy the shoe. Whatever reason they finally agree on, becomes the criteria to judge if the subordinates or 3rd parties were right or wrong The highest purpose with respect of Creations is SET and DEFINED by God. God's creation were made only by Him and for Himself alone. For the sake of this discussion, I'm willing to grant the first paragraph. But i think we need to clearly define what we mean by “highest purpose". From what I've gathered in this discussion.. the highest purpose is not some fixed thing that all actions have to measure themselves up to. The highest purpose, is whatever reason is behind whatever actions your God takes. No matter what purpose or reason he bases his actions on, that automatically becomes the highest purpose.. and that's why I said it's arbitrary. |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by LordReed(m): 1:11pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker: How does he need to act on his belief? What act besides writing on NL have you presented to us here about your faith? |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by Image123(m): 1:15pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
LordReed: Does he/she need God in the lab? |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by Wilgrea7(m): 1:27pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
LordReed: They've forced the title on me so many times I've gotten tired of telling them I'm not 1 Like |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:29pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
LordReed:If you can't trust anyone then there's no need trying to reason with them on what they have in mind, that's the stupidity in atheism as you guys always try to reason with others regarding what they BELIEVE (TRUST) whereas you can't trust anyone. So why chatting with people who believe (trust) when you have no reason to trust? |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by Dtruthspeaker: 1:30pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
LordReed: He has already finished displaying (acting) his belief already and we have seen them. LordReed: Even you once told image123 of my stand (faith) when you told him that "I believe in God yet I don't go to church". You and others here definitely know where my belief lies. So, no road! |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:32pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
Wilgrea7:Of course you're an atheist but the description is what's confusing you! You don't know anyone who is Holy (Pure) neither do you believe that anyone could be Holy (Pure) so that means you only trust in yourself: ATHEISTM! |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by Dtruthspeaker: 1:37pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
Wilgrea7: You obviously have not learned that "action speaks louder and better and Truer than words". And everyone knows that atheists say one thing and do another. And when all else fails, atheists will resort to lying and twisting all of these things you have done so you see, you are a bona fide member of atheism. |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by Wilgrea7(m): 1:37pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker: Mr Man. When did i ever tell you that my belief involves an intelligent designer In my thread on questions about a supreme creator God, i said that from observation, whatever the cause of the universe was, seemed to me to be at least conscious, and intelligent, and after some discussions with TenQ, i agreed that it would have to be infinitely powerful.. at least from our perspective. Other attributes.. like saying it's a single creator, or a personal one.. or even a “being" were things i said i haven't seen evidence for. Your concept of God isn't the only one that exists. For you, and especially MaxinDhouse to repeatedly claim that I'm anti-god, simply because my views oppose yours, shows how myopic your concept of a what a God is. 1 Like |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by Wilgrea7(m): 1:38pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker: Congratulations 1 Like |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by Maynman: 1:42pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
Theists thinking calling someone else an atheist is a flex, bwahahahah. That’s what indoctrination and brainwashing does Not to forget those that their salvation relies on humans in watchtower |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by LordReed(m): 1:47pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker: Only because you wrote it, I don't know if what you wrote is actual. If we are accepting your faith based on what you wrote why denying someone else's faith based on what they wrote? Can you not see how hypocritical that is? 1 Like |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by LordReed(m): 1:48pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: LoLz! So you only trust those who you can read their minds? Bwahahahahaha! 1 Like |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by LordReed(m): 1:49pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
Wilgrea7: I salute your patience and grace in interacting with these guys, they are so ungracious in return it irks me. 2 Likes |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by LordReed(m): 1:50pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
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Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:02pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
LordReed: YES! |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by LordReed(m): 2:14pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Well good for you. 1 Like |
Re: Theists, What Exactly Makes Your God "Holy"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:16pm On Aug 24, 2022 |
LordReed:That's why we can relate as brothers and sisters {Mark 10:29-30} despite the fact that imperfection do affect us we still have a reason to believe (trust) in our fellow believers! John 17:22 |
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