Eko Ile:

Still, no credible list, just the same crooked tacticts of diversion and dishonesty with silly wiki link, bogust and irrelevant lies about some laughable and phantom media empire stretching from Nigeria to Kilimanjaro then, the idiocy of talking endlessly about other people outside NIgeria just to divert attention away from the subject matter which is zik and his incompetency as a publish official.

As much as ibo people love to brag about the most shallow thing or issue under the sun, but sadly
t unable to do the most elementary thing by listing ziks achievements.

We al know the reason why you people are unable to list anything, its simply because there's nothing to list, zik didn do a damn thing for NIgeria and ibo people, the man cared only about zik and his resting place is a dump because ibo people sef don't give a damn about him.

Its insane to sit GW and ABL in America and Mandela in SA when thes great leaders sacrficed a lot on behalf of their people either by fighting in wars or spending decades in prison while zik on the other hand dumped NIGERIA like a coward by running off in times of trouble just like the other coward ojukwu did.

They say the captain is lways the last soul to leave the sinking ship, but these coward jumped first and left their people to worry about their own skins, the are sorry, worthless and irreponsible leaders with zero sense of leadership and community.

All this is all empty talk.
I tot u were of the opinion that the only way to great leadership was through material achievements which can be accounted for long after the demise of the leader (As is the case with Awo).

U had dismissed all Ziks achievements as not being material and now u are either talking about wars, plagues and prison time to justify others.

I was only trying to show u global leaders who are not respected as a result of material achievements.
But as expected u are either being evasive or you don't have the cognitive skills to understand.

While others who where at the same side of the argument with u might have got the message bowed out of the topic gracefully, u are still insist on exposing urself.

Well I cant stop u, carry on

Tribalism has eaten deep into our national life that is why any slowpoke can open a thread to discredit the achievement of the greatest Nigerian leader. Just be cause they want to score a cheap point pointing to the fact that Awo achieved more than ZIK. Awo was more of an administrator and his achievements are physical but that doesn't take anything away from ZIK because without hum all that Awo achieved wouldn't have been possible. He was a bridge builder and succeeded in uniting Nigeria and Africa at large so you don't compare a tribal champion to the great ZIK of africa. Achievement is not just about building infrastructures. Like someone said, why not go and ask Americans why they revere George Washington so much. Also ask south africans why they worship Mandela like he built the tallest building in Africa.

Let's give honour to whom abeg. Another person tat should be given credit is Herbert Macaulay. I don't know why people keep forgetting him.

afam4eva:

Tribalism has eaten deep into our national life that is why any slowpoke can open a thread to discredit the achievement of the greatest Nigerian leader. Just be cause they want to score a cheap point pointing to the fact that Awo achieved more than ZIK. Awo was more of an administrator and his achievements are physical but that doesn't take anything away from ZIK because without hum all that Awo achieved wouldn't have been possible. He was a bridge builder and succeeded in uniting Nigeria and Africa at large so you don't compare a tribal champion to the great ZIK of africa. Achievement is not just about building infrastructures. Like someone said, why not go and ask Americans why they revere George Washington so much. Also ask south africans why they worship Mandela like he built the tallest building in Africa.

Let's give honour to whom abeg. Another person tat should be given credit is Herbert Macaulay. I don't know why people keep forgetting him.

Thank God you knew the Achievements o the Great sage called Awolowo are Things You can see. Physical things you can touch, feel and feel proud of having.
Thank God you acknowledge that Awolowo made Great Achievements in Infrastructural and Economic Development while zik was only able to unite Nigerian even though His kinsmen who voted him to represent them never believe in that unity. Thank you.

Awalaowo did not achieve anything, out of envy he planned coup to topple the Zik and Balewa led govt, which eventually landed him (Awalaowo) in prison. He would have been slaughtered in prison if not for Ojukwu intervention, the almajiris would have use Awalaowo as pepper soup.


Eko ile, where have you been? You have been commenting on any other thread but not mustafa revelation concerning yooroba leaders that took bribe to sell Abiola to the almjiris to be slaughtered.

chino11:

Awalaowo did not achieve anything, out of envy he planned coup to topple the Zik and Balewa led govt, which eventually landed him (Awalaowo) in prison. He would have been slaughtered in prison if not for Ojukwu intervention, the almajiris would have use Awalaowo as pepper soup.


Eko ile, where have you been? You have been commenting on any other thread but not mustafa revelation concerning yooroba leaders that took bribe to sell Abiola to the almjiris to be slaughtered.

Glad you noticed the fact that I dont pay attention all the silly and moronic threads on NL

I know you people have attention deficit disorder and are shady and deceptive, but this is about zik according to the title.

RoadStar:

All this is all empty talk.
I tot u were of the opinion that the only way to great leadership was through material achievements which can be accounted for long after the demise of the leader (As is the case with Awo).

U had dismissed all Ziks achievements as not being material and now u are either talking about wars, plagues and prison time to justify others.

I was only trying to show u global leaders who are not respected as a result of material achievements.
But as expected u are either being evasive or you don't have the cognitive skills to understand.

While others who where at the same side of the argument with u might have got the message bowed out of the topic gracefully, u are still insist on exposing urself.

Well I cant stop u, carry on

This is nothing but crooked games to you people, I basically pointed out to you the dump and idiotic comparisons. Zik was not even competent enough to tie the shoes of the folks you mention.

The burden is not on me to do your job for you, we asked you to list ziks phantom and invisible achievements in Nigeria, not to compare with other people outside NIgeria. Stand on your own 2 feet with your list if you have any which we know you don't have and that's why you people keep running all over the place grabbing irrelevent straws like shallow heads.

Same way zik failed, they gave him a job to do, but he was so clueless and incompetent to do the job, he lacked any sense and understanding of his job discription and what he was charged to do un behalf of Nigerians. Zic of africa was not a job, we did not pay him nigerian tax payers money to be zik of what ever rubbish you people are talking about and he failed accordingly, you people failed in this thread for the same reasons, you lack the same sense of attention and obligation, we asked you to list A, but you all over the place looking for B.

Must be an ibo thing.

Please shut up and quit wasting our time if you can not list anything.

afam4eva:

Tribalism has eaten deep into our national life that is why any slowpoke can open a thread to discredit the achievement of the greatest Nigerian leader. Just be cause they want to score a cheap point pointing to the fact that Awo achieved more than ZIK. Awo was more of an administrator and his achievements are physical but that doesn't take anything away from ZIK because without hum all that Awo achieved wouldn't have been possible. He was a bridge builder and succeeded in uniting Nigeria and Africa at large so you don't compare a tribal champion to the great ZIK of africa. Achievement is not just about building infrastructures. Like someone said, why not go and ask Americans why they revere George Washington so much. Also ask south africans why they worship Mandela like he built the tallest building in Africa.

Let's give honour to whom abeg. Another person tat should be given credit is Herbert Macaulay. I don't know why people keep forgetting him.

Your post is full of absurdities and lack of any knowledge regarding our history and ill point out the absurdities to you.

1. Zik did not made anything easy for Awolowo, he made things worse for Awolowo because of his greedy, blind, pointless, destructive submision to norhtern nigeria from which we are still feeling the sad effects till this very second. His foolish and unwise desisions set us on a dangerous path to destruction with decades of needless northern rule.

2. What ojukwu sacrificed so many ibo people for could have been avoided if ziks dumb and unwise reasoning was the other way around before independence and placing our destiny in the hands of the northerners.

3. Zik did not unify anything, he was a weak and clueless leader with zero balls and principles, instead of the unity you are talking about, when nigeria was burning and needed that unity, zik was no where to be found, he ran away from nigeria and stayed away till his fellow country men calmed the country with their blood,pain and sorrow.

4. The biggest of your absurdities was the tale about Awolowo achieving because of zik. Nearly everything Awolowo did in terms of achievments transpired within 9 years before nigeria's indepndence while zik was loafing around doing nothing or maybe I should say stroking his agbada and calling himself zik of what ever nonsense they call him.

So how did weak and incompetent zik made anything possible for Awolowo before independence? Just how.

Millions on Nigerians benefited from Awolowo's economic and social policies and the same millions are still benefiting from his work decades after his death. You can not tell me that hausa and ibo people are not making their daily living till this very second at the many of the comps he created like the airport hotel in ikeja and liberty in Ibadan and others.

Apart from all the many first in Africa and in NIgeria achievements, NIgerias main economic centers and engines in IKeja, Apapa, ILupeju, Matori, oluyole in ibadan industrial estates he created. Millions of NIgerians including hausa and ibo are still collecting their daily breads directly and indirectly from these economic engines and goods and servicies from these places are in every household in nigeria.

Lastly, when they say the first this and the first that in nigeria or africa, they basically say "First in NIgeria or first in Africa" and never first in Yorubaland or Awolowo land. We all take and share the glitter,  pride and joy with Awolowos achievments.

These are unifying and people impacting policies and developments, not some ridiculous and empty unifying or zik of som rubbish that doesn't jive with our history and awareness.

You mean they are still searching for Zik's achievements?
i think they need night vision goggles

This is not a tribalism campaign,my igbo brothers!
We are just tryn to fill what I otherwise thought was missing in the profile of Zik but from the response so far,quite sadly,zik was just a flamboyant non-performing premier of the old eastern region and president of nigeria!The overhyped larger-than-life image of zik could not stand close scrutiny wen assessed in terms of performance that the eastern region nay nigeria required in that early life of nationhood.
Now imagine if Awo and zik's other peers did not perform,perhaps all the 'firsts' in africa including 1st nobel prize winner may not have been possible.

The lesson to us as individuals is that posterity would always judge you especially if you hold elected position and misappropriate your priority just like zik did.Zik played to the gallery,the igbos know this especially those privileged to see the acheivements of awo.

Awo had ideology-he was a socialist,zik was neither capitalist nor socialist.
Awo was an intellectual and very deep thinker,he wrote a lot on the nigerian development and almost all he wrote many years ago are still relevant to address almost all our problems papa had envisaged.Pa Awo had spoke about our problems and the solutions years ago!Imagine,the now-celebrated Rochas Okorocha is practically implementing the programs of Awo's Action Group of free education over 50years Awo wrote,planned and implemented it!
This is another major failing of Zik,he was lazy NOT unintelligent and relishes the glamour of political grandeur while he should be working.He wasted many useful time on propaganda. Most intelligent Igbos know Zik did not perform and even while Zik was alive,his word was taking with a pinch of salt.As for Ojukwu's leadership,that was a disaster,a very intelligent Ojukwu saw that zik was a weak leader,he moved in even though he knows he would have loved to follow zik!

There have been many similar topics opened on NL about Zik's contribution to Nigeria. Its a shame we still discuss such things. Let me dissect.

I admire Awolowo for his evidencial love for his people. This love translated into physical development in the Western region however, I despise him for his contributions to ethnocentric politics. He sowed the seeds of high mistrust between Ndigbo and the Yorubas. No other person has contributed to the division of Southern Nigeria than Awolowo himself.
Awolowo would've sealed the unity between Ndigbo and the Yoruba by co-operating more with Igbo politicians afterall, Ndigbo share a lot more with the Yorubas than the core North but, he NEVER did this instead, engaged in ethnocentric politics which caused major divisions in ideologies between him and Zik. A chance manifested for Awolowo to unite with Ndigbo through Biafra but instead, he dealt a blow to this unity by deliberately institutionalizing a policy which saw many Eastern Nigerian (mainly Ndigbo) children starve to death. Ndigbo and the Yorubas are the most progressive ethnic groups in Africa but Awo is the main reason of the distrust and damage to the unity between the two groups.

I admire Zik for his pro-Nigeria stance. Unlike Awolowo who was very pro-yoruba and anti-Nigeria, Zik was not actually anti-Igbo but actually very pro-Nigeria to the detriment of his own people Ndigbo. It could be said that while Awolowo focused all his energy to the development of the Yoruba wellbeing, Zik did so for the development of Nigeria and not Ndigbo - and this is one of the reasons why Ndigbo hate him as a leader.

On the other hand, Bello was a despot who never saw Southern Nigeria as a region to be co-operated with but, as a region to be conquered and dominated thereby, sowing the seeds of "Born to rule" mentality that pervades the attitude of the core north to Nigeria's governance (from independence days till 2011 election period). Bello, like Awo, must be commended for his love for his people but both weren't pro-Nigeria enough as Zik was.

All in all, though Zik was hated by Ndigbo, he's the best of the trio when viewed from a Nigerian non-regional point of view. Awo would've had my vote if viewed from a regional point of view. Bello was the odd one here.

For most of you who argue against Zik's importance, you're indeed doing so from a hindsight point of view and not during Zik's heydays in politics. If Nigeria had worked-out as a country in development of its infrastructure, people and a homogeneous culture then I've got no doubt that Zik would've occupied the status of a demigod.

dem_people:

There have been many similar topics opened on NL about Zik's contribution to Nigeria. Its a shame we still discuss such things. Let me dissect.

I admire Awolowo for his evidencial love for his people. This love translated into physical development in the Western region however, I despise him for his contributions to ethnocentric politics. He sowed the seeds of high mistrust between Ndigbo and the Yorubas. No other person has contributed to the division of Southern Nigeria than Awolowo himself.
Awolowo would've sealed the unity between Ndigbo and the Yoruba by co-operating more with Igbo politicians afterall, Ndigbo share a lot more with the Yorubas than the core North but, he NEVER did this instead, engaged in ethnocentric politics which caused major divisions in ideologies between him and Zik. A chance manifested for Awolowo to unite with Ndigbo through Biafra but instead, he dealt a blow to this unity by deliberately institutionalizing a policy which saw many Eastern Nigerian (mainly Ndigbo) children starve to death. Ndigbo and the Yorubas are the most progressive ethnic groups in Africa but Awo is the main reason of the distrust and damage to the unity between the two groups.

I admire Zik for his pro-Nigeria stance. Unlike Awolowo who was very pro-yoruba and anti-Nigeria, Zik was not actually anti-Igbo but actually very pro-Nigeria to the detriment of his own people Ndigbo. It could be said that while Awolowo focused all his energy to the development of the Yoruba wellbeing, Zik did so for the development of Nigeria and not Ndigbo - and this is one of the reasons why Ndigbo hate him as a leader.

On the other hand, Bello was a despot who never saw Southern Nigeria as a region to be co-operated with but, as a region to be conquered and dominated thereby, sowing the seeds of "Born to rule" mentality that pervades the attitude of the core north to Nigeria's governance (from independence days till 2011 election period). Bello, like Awo, must be commended for his love for his people but both weren't pro-Nigeria enough as Zik was.

All in all, though Zik was hated by Ndigbo, he's the best of the trio when viewed from a Nigerian non-regional point of view. Awo would've had my vote if viewed from a regional point of view. Bello was the odd one here.

For most of you who argue against Zik's importance, you're indeed doing so from a hindsight point of view and not during Zik's heydays in politics. If Nigeria had worked-out as a country in development of its infrastructure, people and a homogeneous culture then I've got no doubt that Zik would've occupied the status of a demigod.

dempeople, the bolded is the main reason for this thread which still hasnt been answered. what exactly are the specific things ZIK did for the development and unification of this nation that the supposedly regional leaders didnt do also?

Demdem:

dempeople, the bolded is the main reason for this thread which still hasnt been answered. what exactly are the specific things ZIK did for the development and unification of this nation that the supposedly regional leaders didnt do also?

I'm never prejudiced as to deviate from presenting the truth unlike many of the posters on this thread who've posted with very conspicuous ethnocentric views. I had the benefit of researching a lot of materials in other to arrive at my postings. You should also have this benefit. Also, you should have the prerogative of disagreeing with my post where necessary however, it won't make me change my views of the trio.


From Ileke-Idi:

Question:
Now back to the question; What is ojukwu's achievement except for planting the seed of hate into the generations of Igbo that will follow his? I've yet to meet any Igbo on NL who have no hate for anything Yoruba or hausa/Fulani. And in circumstances where they can "tolerate" those other ethnicity, it's usually because they're mixed or diluted with Yoruba blood.

You're indeed crazy. Who hates the Yoruba? So all Ndigbo you've met on NL hate your people? If you were in Ojukwu's shoes with your people massacred in all regions of the country (except midwest), what would've been your reaction? The annulment of June 12 initiated attempts by the SW to secede, not to talk of if there was a mass massacre of them by other Nigerians all over the country. 

Carry on defending and speaking for your beloved Hausa/Fulani. Your people and other Southerners are being killed in the North anyway - if that makes any sense to you.

This thread is now stale and left with some people who were unfortunately born with a low IQ and overly simplistic mindsets.
My Final points on this issue are

A mans achievement cannot be based on quantifiable attributes.

Thomas Jefferson (April 13, 1743 – July 4, 1826) was the principal author of the Declaration of Independence (1776) and the third President of the United States (1801–1809). He was an influential Founding Father, and an exponent of Jeffersonian democracy. Jefferson envisioned America as a great "Empire of Liberty" that would promote republicanism.[1]

This basically summaries why Thomas Jefferson is so respected in the US.
His Visions and his philosophy.
His sense of direction for a Nation at a time when one person needed to play the part.

As a founding Father ZIk is both Nigerias Thomas Jefferson and George Washington.

But I know some of us will not have respect for him as long as he has never "put food on out table." or did not have tribal affiliations.
This summaries the problem with the Black race and Nigeria in particular.
Our shallow thinking knows no bounds.
Our continuous lack of ideological philosophy.
Our continuous hunt for short term strides over a long term direction.

Well on this note I sign off.
Wisdom and Knowledge is a choice which can be rejected

Jefferson's ideological contributions to his nation were clearly more substantive than Zik's own.



That said, I don't really understand all the Zik bashing on this thread and on the other thread about Zik's grave.


"ZIK and Mandela
In 1961, the racist government of South Africa and British Intelligence were furiously looking for Nelson Mandela. He was obliged to take refuge in Nigeria, and Zik, the Governor General, assigned him to live with me at Ikoyi. I was the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Information.

Mandela lived with me at No.5 Okotie –Eboh Street, Ikoyi for more than four months. About the fifth month, Mandela soliloquized openly to my hearing, “for how long must I continue in this hide and seek game. I’d better go back to South Africa to give leadership to the people; if they kill me, my death will inspire the other nationalists to continue the struggle until total victory is won”.

That was how he decided to return to South Africa where he was shortly arrested and imprisoned for life. How he was aided financially when he was going, I do not know; that was at the level of Zik and Dr. Okpara, who was then the Premier of Eastern Region. Apart from the youths who passed through the NCNC Political School, Zik was concerned with the low level of education in some of these sister African countries and initiated a Special Scholarship Scheme for them in the Eastern Regional Government. Dr. Okpara inherited and expanded it.

That is why one would find so many boys and girls from these African countries in the Queens College, Enugu, Government College, Umuahia and Abbot Boys College, Ihiala (then owned by Hon. G.E. Okeke, the Minister of Education). Some of these boys and girls who were caught up by the Biafran war were smuggled home to their counties through Gabon."


He was clearly concerned with improving all of Africa, not just Nigeria.


On who coined the term "Zik of Africa" it's not really clear. Seems to have been around since at least the 1950s:

http://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=zik+of+africa&tbs=,cdr:1,cd_min:Jan%201_2%201900,cd_max:Dec%2031_2%201960&num=10




I think Zik of Nigeria is more realistic than Zik of Africa, although he was clearly committed to pan-Africanism.

http://maxsiollun./2010/03/23/nigeria%E2%80%99s-forgotten-heroes-nnamdi-azikiwe-%E2%80%93-%E2%80%9Cfather-of-the-nation%E2%80%9D-part-1/

Vallo57:
List the achievements(both personal and collective) or shut your trap.

It is funny to read about the free western-styled education allegedly introduced by western regional government of Nigeria under the leadership of Awolowo. Yet the manner of few posters had spurred me to question the essence of the so-called free education when the self-arrogating beneficiaries of such phantom legacy could not use “google” which is coincidently free.

Granted that the few trolls who tend to impugn the integrity of Azikiwe were the chips from old blocks noted for transforming anthill into mountain, one wonders what went wrong when one sentence was employed to describe the achievements of the first asiwaju of Yoruba land.

I have honestly tried to locate iota of Awolowo’s achievements baring western regional government and useless government of Nigeria under Gowon but all my efforts have proved futile.

In fact, I refused to upload Azkiwe’s achievements and Awolowo’s legacy as presented in their profiles by Wikipedia because I did not intend to support the idiotic frenzy being displayed by few overfed dullards on this board.

RoadStar:

This thread is now stale and left with some people who were unfortunately born with a low IQ and overly simplistic mindsets.
My Final points on this issue are

A mans achievement cannot be based on quantifiable attributes.
This basically summaries why Thomas Jefferson is so respected in the US.
His Visions and his philosophy.
His sense of direction for a Nation at a time when one person needed to play the part.

As a founding Father ZIk is both Nigerias Thomas Jefferson and George Washington.

But I know some of us will not have respect for him as long as he has never "put food on out table." or did not have tribal affiliations.
This summaries the problem with the Black race and Nigeria in particular.
Our shallow thinking knows no bounds.
Our continuous lack of ideological philosophy.
Our continuous hunt for short term strides over a long term direction.

Well on this note I sign off.
Wisdom and Knowledge is a choice which can be rejected

Thanks for signing off, we asked you to pages ago instead of boring us with your irrelevant rubbish and mindlwss comparisons. This is how poplw fail exams and zik failed by doing the same thing. They asked you to do A and you wasted our time shouting B all over the place.

Againg, thanks for shutting your mouth.

dem_people:

There have been many similar topics opened on NL about Zik's contribution to Nigeria. Its a shame we still discuss such things. Let me dissect.

I admire Awolowo for his evidencial love for his people. This love translated into physical development in the Western region however, I despise him for his contributions to ethnocentric politics. He sowed the seeds of high mistrust between Ndigbo and the Yorubas. No other person has contributed to the division of Southern Nigeria than Awolowo himself.
Awolowo would've sealed the unity between Ndigbo and the Yoruba by co-operating more with Igbo politicians afterall, Ndigbo share a lot more with the Yorubas than the core North but, he NEVER did this instead, engaged in ethnocentric politics which caused major divisions in I
deologies between him and Zik. A chance manifested for Awolowo to unite with Ndigbo through Biafra but instead, he dealt a blow to this unity by deliberately institutionalizing a policy which saw many Eastern Nigerian (mainly Ndigbo) children starve to death. Ndigbo and the Yorubas are the most progressive ethnic groups in Africa but Awo is the main reason of the distrust and damage to the unity between the two groups.

I admire Zik for his pro-Nigeria stance. Unlike Awolowo who was very pro-yoruba and anti-Nigeria, Zik was not actually anti-Igbo but actually very pro-Nigeria to the detriment of his own people Ndigbo. It could be said that while Awolowo focused all his energy to the development of the Yoruba wellbeing, Zik did so for the development of Nigeria and not Ndigbo - and this is one of the reasons why Ndigbo hate him as a leader.

On the other hand, Bello was a despot who never saw Southern Nigeria as a region to be co-operated with but, as a region to be conquered and dominated thereby, sowing the seeds of "Born to rule" mentality that pervades the attitude of the core north to Nigeria's governance (from independence days till 2011 election period). Bello, like Awo, must be commended for his love for his people but both weren't pro-Nigeria enough as Zik was.

All in all, though Zik was hated by Ndigbo, he's the best of the trio when viewed from a Nigerian non-regional point of view. Awo would've had my vote if viewed from a regional point of view. Bello was the odd one here.

For most of you who argue against Zik's importance, you're indeed doing so from a hindsight point of view and not during Zik's heydays in politics. If Nigeria had worked-out as a country in development of its infrastructure, people and a homogeneous culture then I've got no doubt that Zik would've occupied the status of a demigod.

You got your history all fliped backward. Its very hard to contribute to any discusiong with little or no knowledge about anything.

we are in this mess simply because of ziks selfish and unwise decisions not to deal with Awolowo and instead placed our destiny in the hands of the north.

We were screwed by zik from day one.

You people can not have it both ways, one one hand you don't want to be part of nigeria and you even went to war and sacrificed the lives of millions of nigerians trying to do just that, but you at the same time want to keep selling us this rubbish about zik loving nigeria more than the rest of us and as some ridiculous achievement kept us together. So which is which?

You are praising one ibo man for trying to tear us apart and at the same time praising another ibo mand who selfishly sold to the north  and glued us together. You are even asking us to accept this mindless rubbish as some sily nonsene to be proud of. Are you people for real?

And about Awolowo, everything he did  was for nigerians and nigeria in general since more than Yoruba people benefited and still benefiting from his econnomic and developmental policies, hausa, ibo and collecting paycheck to house and feed their families from the industrial estates and companies he created and when they talk about all the things he built, they say first in nigeria and first in africa and never first in yorubaland.


Get your facts and priorities together.

No Zik acheivement yet

@Roadstar

i think it is a bit low on your side comparing Zi with jefferson, mandela and George

I told you why those people are still loved till today but if Zik has done a quater of there achievement, I bet he would be loved as well

Stop the comparism

@AFam

I don't think there is any comparison all we what is the list of achievement we as NIGERIANS ARE STILL ENJOYING FROM TODAY?

@chino and co

why the insults can't we discuss without insults

dem_people:

There have been many similar topics opened on NL about Zik's contribution to Nigeria. Its a shame we still discuss such things. Let me dissect.

I admire Awolowo for his evidencial love for his people. This love translated into physical development in the Western region however, I despise him for his contributions to ethnocentric politics. He sowed the seeds of high mistrust between Ndigbo and the Yorubas. No other person has contributed to the division of Southern Nigeria than Awolowo himself.
Awolowo would've sealed the unity between Ndigbo and the Yoruba by co-operating more with Igbo politicians afterall, Ndigbo share a lot more with the Yorubas than the core North but, he NEVER did this instead, engaged in ethnocentric politics which caused major divisions in ideologies between him and Zik. A chance manifested for Awolowo to unite with Ndigbo through Biafra but instead, he dealt a blow to this unity by deliberately institutionalizing a policy which saw many Eastern Nigerian (mainly Ndigbo) children starve to death. Ndigbo and the Yorubas are the most progressive ethnic groups in Africa but Awo is the main reason of the distrust and damage to the unity between the two groups.

I admire Zik for his pro-Nigeria stance. Unlike Awolowo who was very pro-yoruba and anti-Nigeria, Zik was not actually anti-Igbo but actually very pro-Nigeria to the detriment of his own people Ndigbo. It could be said that while Awolowo focused all his energy to the development of the Yoruba wellbeing, Zik did so for the development of Nigeria and not Ndigbo - and this is one of the reasons why Ndigbo hate him as a leader.

On the other hand, Bello was a despot who never saw Southern Nigeria as a region to be co-operated with but, as a region to be conquered and dominated thereby, sowing the seeds of "Born to rule" mentality that pervades the attitude of the core north to Nigeria's governance (from independence days till 2011 election period). Bello, like Awo, must be commended for his love for his people but both weren't pro-Nigeria enough as Zik was.

All in all, though Zik was hated by Ndigbo, he's the best of the trio when viewed from a Nigerian non-regional point of view. Awo would've had my vote if viewed from a regional point of view. Bello was the odd one here.

For most of you who argue against Zik's importance, you're indeed doing so from a hindsight point of view and not during Zik's heydays in politics. If Nigeria had worked-out as a country in development of its infrastructure, people and a homogeneous culture then I've got no doubt that Zik would've occupied the status of a demigod.

although my brother this does not relate to the topic but i NEVER THOUGHT you as well can be lying like dede1 and co

ok

1. Awolowo fought tooth and nail for southern nigeria, It was zik that fought for 1 Nigeria which I love now

2. Awolowo called Zik to form southern Nigeria but Zik instead betrayed awolowo and imprisoned him, then formed a unity government with us of which he was the president in spit of awolowo and his region and Bellow was the PM

3. Zik made unrest in the western region and SE soliders were beating and arresting the SW leaders,

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/1962/11/13/FS131162001/?s=nigeria+&st=0&pn=35&sortBy=date

you can use that video to comfime while the SE professionals were working in suit in lagos as if it is there land

4. Zik divided the west to west and mid-west which marked the beginning of the division of southern nigeria and Nigeria at large

ZIK IS THE CAUSE OF OUR PROBLEM TODAY IN NIGERIA, NORTHERN NIGERIA AND SOUTHERN NIGERIA

ZIK IS THE PROBLEM OF HE WEST, EAST, AND NORTH

ZIK MARKED THE BEGINNING OF BETRAYAL IN NIGERIA

SHAGARI AND NORTHERN LEADERS KNEW THIS AND CALLED HIM A HARLOT BEFORE HE DIE

AWOLOWO KNEW HE WAS WORKING FOR THE BRITISH AND TRIED TALKING TO HIM, INSTEAD HE IMPRISONED HIM AND THE MID-WEST LEADER THUS ALSO DIVIDING THERE REGION KNOWING FULL WELL OF WHAT HE IS DOING

Dem-people Zik of onitsha is better or better still Zik of eastern Nigeria NOT AFRICA

stay blessed my brother

dem_people:

I'm never prejudiced as to deviate from presenting the truth unlike many of the posters on this thread who've posted with very conspicuous ethnocentric views. I had the benefit of researching a lot of materials in other to arrive at my postings. You should also have this benefit. Also, you should have the prerogative of disagreeing with my post where necessary however, it won't make me change my views of the trio.

well, i have done my own bit of research and i seem not to get anything new for now apart from what we all have been brandishing all over this thread. Remember i did say earlier in my first post that i am interested in knowing.
Secondly, what then is the benefit of forums like this if we cant learn one or two things from ourselves?
Abeg spill the result of your research for all to see and gain from especially me. i'm not interested in disagreement most especially if i see facts.

alj_harem:

although my brother this does not relate to the topic but i NEVER THOUGHT you as well can be lying like dede1 and co

ok

1. Awolowo fought tooth and nail for southern nigeria, It was zik that fought for 1 Nigeria which I love now

2. Awolowo called Zik to form southern Nigeria but Zik instead betrayed awolowo and imprisoned him, then formed a unity government with us of which he was the president in spit of awolowo and his region and Bellow was the PM

3. Zik made unrest in the western region and SE soliders were beating and arresting the SW leaders,

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/1962/11/13/FS131162001/?s=nigeria+&st=0&pn=35&sortBy=date

you can use that video to comfime while the SE professionals were working in suit in lagos as if it is there land

4. Zik divided the west to west and mid-west which marked the beginning of the division of southern nigeria and Nigeria at large

ZIK IS THE CAUSE OF OUR PROBLEM TODAY IN NIGERIA, NORTHERN NIGERIA AND SOUTHERN NIGERIA

ZIK IS THE PROBLEM OF HE WEST, EAST, AND NORTH

ZIK MARKED THE BEGINNING OF BETRAYAL IN NIGERIA

SHAGARI AND NORTHERN LEADERS KNEW THIS AND CALLED HIM A HARLOT BEFORE HE DIE

AWOLOWO KNEW HE WAS WORKING FOR THE BRITISH AND TRIED TALKING TO HIM, INSTEAD HE IMPRISONED HIM AND THE MID-WEST LEADER THUS ALSO DIVIDING THERE REGION KNOWING FULL WELL OF WHAT HE IS DOING

Dem-people Zik of onitsha is better or better still Zik of eastern Nigeria NOT AFRICA

stay blessed my brother

All I can say about you for now is you are politically and culturally useless.

Dede1:


All I can say about you for now is you are politically and culturally useless.

how bros dede1

please teach me i stand by the truth and stand to be corrected

if i am wrong prove facts to ur claims

alj_harem:

how bros dede1

please teach me i stand by the truth and stand to be corrected

if i am wrong prove facts to your claims

When Zik, through his personal efforts, enabled many Africans from Kenya to Senegal and from Libya to RSA to afford a three square meal, Awolowo was still struggling to pass his law class quizzes. Nigeria shall remain an imperial accident of British suzerainty.

Dede1:

When Zik, through his personal efforts, enabled many Africans from Kenya to Senegal and from Libya to RSA to afford a three square meal, Awolowo was still struggling to pass his law class quizzes.

LOL, so are kenyans senegla etc people priasing Nigeria of Zik now

are they calling him Zik of Africa now or are we just decieving ourselves. Moreover Zik NEVER NEVER GAVE any country the ablity to each 3 square meals. I STAND TO BE CORRECTED U lair. chai dede1 u too dey lie too much. well

Dede1:

Nigeria shall remain an imperial accident of British suzerainty.

and who's fault is that?

is it not Zik that force us to be together Or was Zik not working FOR the british

Eko Ile:

You got your history all fliped backward. Its very hard to contribute to any discusiong with little or no knowledge about anything.

we are in this mess simply because of ziks selfish and unwise decisions not to deal with Awolowo and instead placed our destiny in the hands of the north.

We were screwed by zik from day one.

You people can not have it both ways, one one hand you don't want to be part of nigeria and you even went to war and sacrificed the lives of millions of nigerians trying to do just that, but you at the same time want to keep selling us this rubbish about zik loving nigeria more than the rest of us and as some ridiculous achievement kept us together. So which is which?

You are praising one ibo man for trying to tear us apart and at the same time praising another ibo mand who selfishly sold to the north  and glued us together. You are even asking us to accept this mindless rubbish as some sily nonsene to be proud of. Are you people for real?

And about Awolowo, everything he did  was for nigerians and nigeria in general since more than Yoruba people benefited and still benefiting from his econnomic and developmental policies, hausa, ibo and collecting paycheck to house and feed their families from the industrial estates and companies he created and when they talk about all the things he built, they say first in nigeria and first in africa and never first in yorubaland.


Get your facts and priorities together.

Oh the moon has crashed! And who the hell are you that speaketh to me as though I needed his views?

You're still magnificently ignorant to ever decipher the content of my post. Like it or not, my post was my views of those men and I wouldn't change it for the world.

alj_harem:

although my brother this does not relate to the topic but i NEVER THOUGHT you as well can be lying like dede1 and co

ok

1. Awolowo fought tooth and nail for southern nigeria, It was zik that fought for 1 Nigeria which I love now

2. Awolowo called Zik to form southern Nigeria but Zik instead betrayed awolowo and imprisoned him, then formed a unity government with us of which he was the president in spit of awolowo and his region and Bellow was the PM

3. Zik made unrest in the western region and SE soliders were beating and arresting the SW leaders,

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/1962/11/13/FS131162001/?s=nigeria+&st=0&pn=35&sortBy=date

you can use that video to comfime while the SE professionals were working in suit in lagos as if it is there land

4. Zik divided the west to west and mid-west which marked the beginning of the division of southern nigeria and Nigeria at large

ZIK IS THE CAUSE OF OUR PROBLEM TODAY IN NIGERIA, NORTHERN NIGERIA AND SOUTHERN NIGERIA

ZIK IS THE PROBLEM OF HE WEST, EAST, AND NORTH

ZIK MARKED THE BEGINNING OF BETRAYAL IN NIGERIA

SHAGARI AND NORTHERN LEADERS KNEW THIS AND CALLED HIM A HARLOT BEFORE HE DIE

AWOLOWO KNEW HE WAS WORKING FOR THE BRITISH AND TRIED TALKING TO HIM, INSTEAD HE IMPRISONED HIM AND THE MID-WEST LEADER THUS ALSO DIVIDING THERE REGION KNOWING FULL WELL OF WHAT HE IS DOING

Dem-people Zik of onitsha is better or better still Zik of eastern Nigeria NOT AFRICA

stay blessed my brother

Alj, you should know me so well now to say that I lie. I've even had rebuke from some of my own people on NL on areas that I do not agree with them. Let me dissect your post;

1. I agree.

2. I disagree. Zik DID not betray Awolowo instead, you have cunningly exonerated Bello and Sarduana of any wrongdoing. Sarduana and his proxy, Bello, were responsible for the condition that Awolowo found himself in. Sarduana was a despot.

3. Again, I vehemently disagree. Ciroma, u don come again! Maybe my brain is failing me here but please, when did SE soldiers beat-up SW leaders?


You fail to understand when I said Ndigbo detest Zik. Zik was never the problem of Nigeria however, he was the problem of Ndigbo. I wish Ndigbo had an ultra tribalist leader in Zik like Bello and Awo. Ndigbo would've been better-off today for it. The problem with Zik was that he wanted a large-sized one nationed country despite its flaws.

You say you love Nigeria. If you truly do, you would adore Zik. I hate Nigeria so, he never applies to me. Someone like Akanu Ibiam takes the place of Zik in my mind. Most Nigerians and foreigners I know continually have outstanding opinions about Zik.

Demdem:

well, i have done my own bit of research and i seem not to get anything new for now apart from what we all have been brandishing all over this thread. Remember i did say earlier in my first post that i am interested in knowing.
Secondly, what then is the benefit of forums like this if we cant learn one or two things from ourselves?
Abeg spill the result of your research for all to see and gain from especially me. i'm not interested in disagreement most especially if i see facts.

My post constituted my views of them. I'll go to the grave with those views.

Why do you people keep talking about free education in the west as an achievement , every part of nigeria had free education not only in the west , pls throw that into the dust bin ,Zik remains the greates nigerian leader and should not be compared with regional leaders like michael okparan awolowo,bello ,akanu ibiam and co who only impacted people in their regions and not the whole nigeria.

^^^pls tell us zik's acheivement,abeg!!

volasunkan:

^^^pls tell us zik's acheivement,abeg!!

You might have claimed to have access to free western-styled education, via Awolowo. May I suggest to you that Google is also free? Please Google Azikiwe and Awolowo. You could get real education which is free too.

alj_harem:

LOL, so are kenyans senegla etc people priasing Nigeria of Zik now

are they calling him Zik of Africa now or are we just decieving ourselves. Moreover Zik NEVER NEVER GAVE any country the ablity to each 3 square meals. I STAND TO BE CORRECTED U lair. chai dede1 u too dey lie too much. well

and who's fault is that?

is it not Zik that force us to be together Or was Zik not working FOR the british

You could have known better if not for the deceitful free education floated by the regional government of western Nigeria under Awolowo. You could stand for a long time because we from the eastern region who had quality education had no business correcting waste pipes chunked out by western region of Nigeria.

htajz:

Why do you people keep talking about free education in the west as an achievement , every part of nigeria had free education not only in the west , pls throw that into the dust bin ,Zik remains the greates nigerian leader and should not be compared with regional leaders like michael okparan awolowo,bello ,akanu ibiam and co who only impacted people in their regions and not the whole nigeria.

Mr man, why do you people lie like this

Ok this is even SAM LOCO talking, I bet he is older than you

Education
Going to school in the East then was tough. It was not like the Western Region where students got everything free. It was tough for us, so my nephew and I alternated street trading on a yearly basis to enable the other acquire education. But because of the staccato arrangement, I must confess that I had to attend so many primary schools.
I was a very good footballer and so I went to almost ten secondary schools playing football and getting scholarships here and there and I was stubborn as well. As I was being admitted into one, I was being expelled from another.

http://nigeriamovies.net/starprofiles/loco.php

at least  Sam loco and 150 millon people of Nigeria CANNOT BE LYING

Zik tried free educatio after awo which failed within 3 yrs. I also have an articules to prove this. If u demand

this is not about free education etc or awo and bello as if it is free educaton are there only profound achievements

this is about Zik my brother as talk about the topic not awo or west or north

Dede1:


You could have known better if not for the deceitful free education floated by the regional government of western Nigeria under Awolowo. You could stand for a long time because we from the eastern region who had quality education had no business correcting waste pipes chunked out by western region of Nigeria.

lol

read Sam loco