Dtruthspeaker:


"Hurling shit insults all over the thread" when from the beginning of your post today till now you have been ejaculating very ticklish insults defiling this thread

Beyond all doubts, you are insane to have not remembered this. I have definitely blown up your last morsel of sanity and you have none left.

Sometimes I wonder if you set out to deliberately embarrass yourself . Go back and read: I said you're hurling SHIT insults all over the thread. It's the only thing you can bring up as a comeback. Shit this, shit that. I got you talking about SHIT so much that the thread nearly caught up in flames due to the corrossive amount of SHIT that's flying out of your mouth.

You're obviously scrubbing at the barrel of your diss-drum. I feel pity for you. Weak watery words with no sting. A so-called lawyer, and you're still getting beaten up online like a market thief!

Dtruthspeaker:



You Nothing to say!

Judas1X:

You really have nothing more to offer. I actually thought you'd step up after I pointed it out the first time but you came back with same old bogus equivocations that have come to characterize your posts

Are you Omniscient?
Are you Omnipresent?
Are you Omnipotent?

Omniscient. Surely, you know your phone greatly better than your phone as you have already confessed. hahaha

Omnipresent The phone may be able to see everything on the table but you are present both around and beyond your table and you see everything around the phone at the same time hahaha

Omnipotent. You already know that can improve or destroy your phone in any way and manner you desire and there is nothing your phone can do about that.

Dtruthspeaker:


put your phone down on the table and see whether you are not omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent to it!

Omniscient. Surely, you know your phone greatly better than your phone as you have already confessed. hahaha

Omnipresent The phone may be able to see everything on the table but you are present both around and beyond your table and you see everything around the phone at the same time hahaha

Omnipotent. You already know that can improve or destroy your phone in any way and manner you desire and there is nothing your phone can do about that.

so you see over your phone, you are exactly like.........

Due to the fact that you're a pathetic shit-for-brains pansy with needle-eye vision, you view the apparent complexity of a phone and assume that it must be designed and that it's appearance of design can be compared to trees and people and entire world . You're repeating same dumb arguments like your unwashed boxers. Bwahahahahaaaa. You found the wrong customer. Eat your salty chicken but keep a straight face for the onlookers. This is how you die silently and miserably. You're a Lawyer and your long term goal is to destroy your credibility on the internet . Well I will teach you a lesson. Your comrades are witnessing your mental deficit in action. Your brain can't even stretch beyond 2cm

The reason you keep hiding behind meaningless analogies is because you have NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE to support your claim that a god exists. Thus, you cling to stupid equivocations validate your outlandish fantasies, thinking it is valid, whereas the truth is you've got nothing . Your dumb and uninformed analogies only work if one assumes what one is attempting to prove: in this case, that human beings and trees are so much like a phone or a car, it necessarily must have had a creator. The claim "A is similar to B" always lacks some measure of definition outside the confines of geometry. This lack of definition describes the extent that such a claim is a weak hypothesis.

You have no answers. You have no evidence. You have nothing to substantiate your claims. Just meaningless regurgitation of old creationist fables. You're a cheap pretender, as empty as a drunk's glass . Sorry for expecting so much from you. Damaged human leftover

Lawag3:


How do you know that Isaac Newton discovered the law of gravity how do you know that mungo park discovered the Niger river they was no video proof right you weren't there either. How do we know of Alexander the great he didn't write books about himself did he? Historians told you , you weren't there you don't know shit.
People wrote books !!! You believe stories of Alexander that lived 300 - 250 before Jesus . I'm not saying that stories of Alexander isn't true but why do you believe them?

Endtimer:
You ask an impossible question and plead that we ignore its impossibility for the sake of argument. I’m curious as to how science could disprove God. Contrary to common atheist folklore, science has spent the last century bringing us closer to belief in the supernatural. It’s a shame that there aren’t enough Christians aware of this to point it out often enough until it sticks. It’s a shame there aren’t enough Christians who know that science is on their side.

As to your point concerning the difference between life with and without God:

- Atheism is only tenable in a predominantly religious society. If we all began to live without belief in God as a result of some impossible scientific discovery, it would ultimately destroy society or lead back to religion. The reason for this is because atheists take for granted the religious pillars all civilized societies are built on; the concept of morality and legislation for instance go hand in hand. Rather than reorder society after the eradication of religion, atheists would need to continue pretending as though religion still had moral force in society; until someone asks: “why can’t I just do whatever I want”. In the end we’ll arrive at a religious society because atheistic society is unsustainable and humans are incurably religious.

- On a personal, rather than sociological, level religion provides purpose for living. Atheism doesn’t. On atheism, suicide is not morally abhorrent. Western nations are beginning to witness the effects of unbelief as their citizens increasingly end their own lives. Let me ask you a question: would it make any difference if you were going to kill yourself today or tomorrow? On atheism, it certainly wouldn’t. On atheism, the fact that we are going to die one day is enough motivation for us to end our lives at once. Anything is enough motivation for us to end our lives.

- Contrary to what many atheists believe, increasing secularism negatively correlates with happiness in society. While happiness isn’t the point of life, it is worth noting that the decline of religion has been accompanied by increased depression in the west.

Note that none of the above is meant to validate the authenticity of religion. Instead it is to conceptualize the faithless society posited in the op.

Endtimer:
Contrary to common atheist folklore, science has spent the last century bringing us closer to belief in the supernatural.

If we all began to live without belief in God as a result of some impossible scientific discovery, it would ultimately destroy society or lead back to religion. The reason for this is because atheists take for granted the religious pillars all civilized societies are built on; the concept of morality and legislation for instance go hand in hand. Rather than reorder society after the eradication of religion, atheists would need to continue pretending as though religion still had moral force in society; until someone asks: “why can’t I just do whatever I want”. In the end we’ll arrive at a religious society because atheistic society is unsustainable and humans are incurably religious.

n a personal, rather than sociological, level religion provides purpose for living. Atheism doesn’t. On atheism, suicide is not morally abhorrent. Western nations are beginning to witness the effects of unbelief as their citizens increasingly end their own lives. Let me ask you a question: would it make any difference if you were going to kill yourself today or tomorrow? On atheism, it certainly wouldn’t. On atheism, the fact that we are going to die one day is enough motivation for us to end our lives at once. Anything is enough motivation for us to end our lives.

Contrary to what many atheists believe, increasing secularism negatively correlates with happiness in society. While happiness isn’t the point of life, it is worth noting that the decline of religion has been accompanied by increased depression in the west.

Note that none of the above is meant to validate the authenticity of religion. Instead it is to conceptualize the faithless society posited in the op.

chryssanthe:

Stop bullshitting
How do you know what your god wants?

efficiencie:


If there is no God then what is the basis of morality? How do you define something good or evil? What makes stealing wrong in every culture? Can you answer that objectively without recourse to God or anything supernatural? If there is no God then what is the origin of order and regularity? If there is no God then all life must be random. Order cannot just bring itself into existence. Order requires intelligence. Just as you can never attribute a book to random events. So what is the origin of order? What is the origin of order in the cosmos and in physical reality? If there is no God where did all of existence come from? Where did matter, space and time originate from? If you say they came from nothing then please define "nothing"?

The last question could easily take you forever to answer in a logically coherent manner. Only a fool assumes there is no God. The real question is "who is God and how can He or She or It be reached?"

triplechoice:
He never told us what makes for a self fulfilling live.

Lawag3:

I'm not a bible student but I know that there's a verse in the bible which talks about people who did not see the Lord but believe by faith and it talks about reward for those people.

yes but none of then ever said this three words in one sentence I am the way the truth and the light some religions have said one or two of this words but never the three many even said that they are not the way. Look it up and tell me what you find.

TheDictatorNd:

Christianity is not the religion of the bible

triplechoice:


At the emboldened, I thought I was the only one to noticed the deception.

To make it worse, the op later displayed egocentric thinking in saying that millions of atheist round the world are enjoying fulfilling lives, while refusing to acknowledge the fact that millions, if not, billions of religious people around the world, are also enjoying the same .

She never told us what makes for a self fulfilling live.

One's belief or non belief in a deity is never an hindrance to living a live that is self fulfilling. In fact it has been demonstrated that those who practice some form of spirituality or the other enjoy a life that's self fulfilling than those who don't. Less stress and better health outcomes that prolongs life, having a greater sense of purpose and so on.

Even though not subscribed to any religious belief; I practiced some form of spirituality, ( don't believe in any religious God or gods) the Op, to me, is not well thought out.

Endtimer:
You ask an impossible question and plead that we ignore its impossibility for the sake of argument. I’m curious as to how science could disprove God. Contrary to common atheist folklore, science has spent the last century bringing us closer to belief in the supernatural. It’s a shame that there aren’t enough Christians aware of this to point it out often enough until it sticks. It’s a shame there aren’t enough Christians who know that science is on their side.

As to your point concerning the difference between life with and without God:

- Atheism is only tenable in a predominantly religious society. If we all began to live without belief in God as a result of some impossible scientific discovery, it would ultimately destroy society or lead back to religion. The reason for this is because atheists take for granted the religious pillars all civilized societies are built on; the concept of morality and legislation for instance go hand in hand. Rather than reorder society after the eradication of religion, atheists would need to continue pretending as though religion still had moral force in society; until someone asks: “why can’t I just do whatever I want”. In the end we’ll arrive at a religious society because atheistic society is unsustainable and humans are incurably religious.

- On a personal, rather than sociological, level religion provides purpose for living. Atheism doesn’t. On atheism, suicide is not morally abhorrent. Western nations are beginning to witness the effects of unbelief as their citizens increasingly end their own lives. Let me ask you a question: would it make any difference if you were going to kill yourself today or tomorrow? On atheism, it certainly wouldn’t. On atheism, the fact that we are going to die one day is enough motivation for us to end our lives at once. Anything is enough motivation for us to end our lives.

- Contrary to what many atheists believe, increasing secularism negatively correlates with happiness in society. While happiness isn’t the point of life, it is worth noting that the decline of religion has been accompanied by increased depression in the west.

Note that none of the above is meant to validate the authenticity of religion. Instead it is to conceptualize the faithless society posited in the op.

Tamaratonye1:

"The Way" to what? Badagry? San Jose? Peckham?

All religions and their "holy" books claim that their specific deity is the true one/ones. What makes your god and its book special and true, unlike all others? Except for the fact that you just happened to have been born in a Christian society and thus, grew up with this specific "holy" book? Or do you think that if you'd been born in Saudi Arabia, to muslim parents, you would still be a Christian?

Or are those specific words, combined, some sort of magic? It doesn't say abracadabra in the bible. Look it up and tell me what you find.

The muslim "holy" literature claims that there is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet; and that he is, among 99 things, The Beneficent, The Merciful, The Most Sacred, The Source of Peace, The Flawless, The Infuser of Faith, The Preserver of Safety, The Subtle One, The Most Gentle. Me, I vastly prefer "the most gentle one" over the "way, the light and the truth"? Why should I choose your word salads and not the islamic one? Or hindu one?

Endtimer:
You ask an impossible question and plead that we ignore its impossibility for the sake of argument. I’m curious as to how science could disprove God. Contrary to common atheist folklore, science has spent the last century bringing us closer to belief in the supernatural. It’s a shame that there aren’t enough Christians aware of this to point it out often enough until it sticks. It’s a shame there aren’t enough Christians who know that science is on their side.

As to your point concerning the difference between life with and without God:

- Atheism is only tenable in a predominantly religious society. If we all began to live without belief in God as a result of some impossible scientific discovery, it would ultimately destroy society or lead back to religion. The reason for this is because atheists take for granted the religious pillars all civilized societies are built on; the concept of morality and legislation for instance go hand in hand. Rather than reorder society after the eradication of religion, atheists would need to continue pretending as though religion still had moral force in society; until someone asks: “why can’t I just do whatever I want”. In the end we’ll arrive at a religious society because atheistic society is unsustainable and humans are incurably religious.

- On a personal, rather than sociological, level religion provides purpose for living. Atheism doesn’t. On atheism, suicide is not morally abhorrent. Western nations are beginning to witness the effects of unbelief as their citizens increasingly end their own lives. Let me ask you a question: would it make any difference if you were going to kill yourself today or tomorrow? On atheism, it certainly wouldn’t. On atheism, the fact that we are going to die one day is enough motivation for us to end our lives at once. Anything is enough motivation for us to end our lives.

- Contrary to what many atheists believe, increasing secularism negatively correlates with happiness in society. While happiness isn’t the point of life, it is worth noting that the decline of religion has been accompanied by increased depression in the west.

Note that none of the above is meant to validate the authenticity of religion. Instead it is to conceptualize the faithless society posited in the op

Judas1X:

Now let's look at your analogy using logical syllogism
P1: Humans are like a phone.
P2: A phone must have a creator.
C: Human beings, being like a phone, must have a maker creator.

Your false analogy can be shown by a
reduction to the absurd, highlighting the many differences between the Universe and a phone. Similar absurdities can be built from almost every other characteristic of human beings or phones:

P1: Human beings are like a phone.
P2: A human being can excrete waste from his body in the form of sweat, excreta, urine etc.
C: The phone, being like a human being, can excrete waste from his body in the form of sweat, excreta, urine etc.

There are problems "disguised" in the assumptions of your trite analogy. A phone bears little resemblance to a human being, just like you bear little resemblance to an all-knowing, all-powerful deity, therefore your piece of shit analogy is already invalidated in step 1.

Tamaratonye1:
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paradiseVirgin:
Na to go Illinois during the purge go rape some bitches

Dtruthspeaker:

You have still not given any tangible counter!

Keep wailing. Your troubles have only just begun. Counters upon counters have been presented to your stupid and juvenile arguments and anyone with half a brain can see that you clearly have no knowledge of apologetics, nor do you have any knowledge of logical fallacies and where they apply or do not apply. You have the brain power of a sedated fish.

All you have done is to have fled from my answer

Your answer was tackled and proven to be the product of a 2 bit per second processing speed brain. Your stupidity has been exposed repeatedly. It's over for you, DMumuSpeaker. If I were you I will look for the babalawo who swapped your brain with that of mountain goat. Washed out imbecilic dweeb that specializes in dodging questions and twisting facts is now complaining I didn't answer his questions . Your stupidity still needs professional management.

, then come back to completely present your insanity, saying "P2: A human being can excrete waste from his body in the form of sweat, excreta, urine etc.
C: The phone, being like a human being, can excrete waste from his body in the form of sweat, excreta, urine etc." (WHICH THIS THREAD CLEARLY PROVES IS NOT MY STATEMENT AT ALL) [/b]

Your answers were addressed and dismantled with cold hard logic, not the meaningless jargon and equivocations that dilettantes like you are accustomed to. That's why you couldn't hack it . You couldn't see the woods for the trees.

Thanks for constantly reminding us you're just another unevolved human travesty with no reasoning skills to justify any education you might have had . Everything goes for you as long as it leads to your god. Your background wasn't just marked with material poverty, it was also enveloped in intellectual destitution. Unlimited idiot.

And in the end asides your mad rambling howls you said no thing! No thing at all except to show that you are the mayor of insanity central city .

Dtruthspeaker:


This guy has already shown that your guy is a liar

https://www.nairaland.com/7333476/illinois-passes-purge-law-crime#116691628

Dtruthspeaker:


If not that I believe that there are 1 or 2 people here who were like my former self seeking The Way, I would not be speaking here. I would continue concentration on using The Golden Sweet Words Wisdom hath Uttered in furtherance of my sweet living. I lose nothing meanwhile I have gained all.

- All the descendants of Noah, who you'd think would've told people how really, really, really important it was not to piss off Yahweh... and most of the people of the earth obviously STILL rejected him , otherwise you wouldn't have all those other non-Jewish peoples of the world, that the Jews had to fight with these many thousands of years.

efficiencie:


If there is no God then what is the basis of morality? How do you define something good or evil? What makes stealing wrong in every culture? Can you answer that objectively without recourse to God or anything supernatural? If there is no God then what is the origin of order and regularity? If there is no God then all life must be random. Order cannot just bring itself into existence. Order requires intelligence. Just as you can never attribute a book to random events. So what is the origin of order? What is the origin of order in the cosmos and in physical reality? If there is no God where did all of existence come from? Where did matter, space and time originate from? If you say they came from nothing then please define "nothing"?

The last question could easily take you forever to answer in a logically coherent manner. Only a fool assumes there is no God. The real question is "who is God and how can He or She or It be reached?"

Deuteronomy 7


King James Version


7 When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
2 And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them

efficiencie:


If there is no God then what is the basis of morality? How do you define something good or evil? What makes stealing wrong in every culture? Can you answer that objectively without recourse to God or anything supernatural? If there is no God then what is the origin of order and regularity? If there is no God then all life must be random. Order cannot just bring itself into existence. Order requires intelligence. Just as you can never attribute a book to random events. So what is the origin of order? What is the origin of order in the cosmos and in physical reality? If there is no God where did all of existence come from? Where did matter, space and time originate from? If you say they came from nothing then please define "nothing"?

The last question could easily take you forever to answer in a logically coherent manner. Only a fool assumes there is no God. The real question is "who is God and how can He or She or It be reached?"

Tamaratonye1:

Unfortunately you’ve missed the point entirely. It’s not necessarily going to be crimes as extreme as rape, but people will want to know why they should obey certain humanist principles with time. I’m not talking about you and me. I’m talking about one rule breaker who isn’t content with pretending like there is order where there isn’t.

Also your picture is quite meaningless. It fails to address the point which is that people have no reason to behave the way they do in this religious society organized based on hundreds or thousands of years of rigid morality. Atheists seem to think that the effects of long term religious prosperity are human nature; something covered in Beyond Good and Evil. It doesn’t matter what I will do if religion disappears. It matters that after a few hundred years people will be so different from the people we see today that my hypothesis will be proven correct. Anarchy and religion will follow.

I’ll also add that you responded to my point by supporting me with a visual aid and making the relevant portion of my answer bold. I asserted that atheism requires that people live as though there is such a thing as objective morality and you posted a picture of a man saying that he’s surprised that theists say that atheists have to live as though objective morals exist. Thank you for that.

Next.

Tamaratonye1:

Please give some examples of how science is bringing us closer to belief in the supernatural otherwise it's just a baseless assertion.

Are you perhaps referring to the LHC and discovery of the Higgs Boson particle? If so it's a very big stretch to describe the discovery of a particle in such a way. I would argue the reverse, for example; neuroscience and MRI technology is now sufficiently advanced for us to be able to observe interactions between the brain, senses and a soul even if the soul itself is undetectable, yet scientists have never observed this even when specifically looking for it. In the entirety of human history not one single supernatural event has ever been definitively proven genuine so I fail to see how science is moving us closer and closer to to belief in the supernatural, were it so I guarantee the press would be getting very excited, indeed it would be the greatest news story in history yet all I hear are crickets chirping.

Endtimer:
You ask an impossible question and plead that we ignore its impossibility for the sake of argument. I’m curious as to how science could disprove God. Contrary to common atheist folklore, science has spent the last century bringing us closer to belief in the supernatural.

Endtimer:
Unfortunately you’ve missed the point entirely. It’s not necessarily going to be crimes as extreme as rape, but people will want to know why they should obey certain humanist principles with time. I’m not talking about you and me. I’m talking about one rule breaker who isn’t content with pretending like there is order where there isn’t.

Also your picture is quite meaningless. It fails to address the point which is that people have no reason to behave the way they do in this religious society organized based on hundreds or thousands of years of rigid morality. Atheists seem to think that the effects of long term religious prosperity are human nature; something covered in Beyond Good and Evil. It doesn’t matter what I will do if religion disappears. It matters that after a few hundred years people will be so different from the people we see today that my hypothesis will be proven correct. Anarchy and religion will follow.

Endtimer:
I should note that, as this is your space, it is to be expected that I’ll receive lots of feedback. I anticipate that this may be overwhelming and I’ll focus on the answers I deem most important such as those from the writer of the op and any other well argued posts. I can only respond to the properly structured arguments as I have limited time to spend on this.

Near1:


[Citation needed]



Your unspoken, and clearly unquestioned, premise here is that religion provides the only solid basis for the social contract.



Why are you worried about what others do with their lives? And do you have reputable sources to back up this claim of yours?

I do not look to my atheism for any reason to live, because it is not any sort of guiding set of principles for me. It is merely a statement of one belief which I don't hold. I find the meaning for my life myself. I get that you and many other religious folk do not understand this because y'all apparently need to be told why your own lives are important. Thankfully, I'm not that blind. I can find my own purpose for myself. Religions or gods need not apply.



Is this correlation or causation?



If so, it's a shallow and unconvincing attempt. You should think more about this.

midnight378:


First you said "people" then you changed "people" to "one rule breaker. How do you know about the one rule breaker ?
Let's see the study and the data ? Oh wait, you have no data, and no study. You made it all up. Your assertions about what happens in the absence of religion are already proven false. In Northern Europe, in countries with less and less religion, crime and evil are no worse than they were under religion.
You don't scare me. You think you can scare people into religion ? LOL.