terrezo2002:

Why do you sound so disturb because I said Spiritual things are beyond science. Well, the statement is correct. Proving spiritual things to the spiritually blind person is a waste of time because he will not understand. It is like teaching advance mathematics to a new born baby.

Tamaratonye1:

Your god is so called because it is interventional, and anything that intervenes in this world, can be studied by that intervention. God, in addition to the rest of your spiritual mumbo jumbo, isn't beyond science, rather, the other way around - the people who came up with gods could have never imagined science.

So how about you answer the hypothetical question, terrezo2002, instead of your unnecessary prevarication and evasion? Or is it a sin - that is, answering hypothetical questions? A mortal one even, like dissing the holy ghost or something? Weird this, how touchy the holy ghost is in particular. Everything else - genocide, raping of babies, burtalising and torturing your "neighbour" - is forgivable, but god forbid someone breathes a single word against the holy ghost. Imagine being this thin-skinned.

Or maybe you're incapable of even imagining a world without a universal father figure? Why is that? Lack of imagination? Or is the notion that one day, all too soon, you will be gone from this universe, forever and ever, utterly forgotten within a couple of generations, if that, just too scary?

terrezo2002:

Why do you sound so disturb because I said Spiritual things are beyond science. Well, the statement is correct. Proving spiritual things to the spiritually blind person is a waste of time because he will not understand. It is like teaching advance mathematics to a new born baby.

Wilgrea7:


What exactly are "spiritual things" and how do they prove that a God exists. How are these proofs above science? I'm curious to know

MaxInDHouse:


So you agree with me that there are may things we don't have to see until we believe in their existence but the BENEFITS we derive from knowing about them stands as evidence!

Well God and Satan exist we don't have to see them as long as we enjoy the BENEFITS of knowing what they are doing matters most to believers!

Tamaratonye1:

It seems you can't read. Here, let's try this again. Pay special attention to the colored words

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terrezo2002:

Yes. They are above science. Science is the study of the creation and not the study of who created things

Wilgrea7:


So how exactly would you study the person/people behind creation?

Lawag3:


It's better to follow God now because if you die and then there is no God then you are safely dead but if there is a God and you die in sin

terrezo2002:

You think I have time debating on issues I know you won't understand me. Sorry, count me out of this. Thank you

terrezo2002:

Start by praying sincerely to Him.

Wilgrea7:


How do you know prayer is the right way?

How do you know it is a him? How do you know it is a singular entity?

How exactly do I make this prayer? What am i supposed to say?

What exactly will this prayer teach me about the nature of this creator?

Wilgrea7:

Sir.... You're misquoting me.
I said that benefits and existence are independent. The existence of something has nothing to do with whether or not you can get benefits from it. The andromeda galaxy exists, not because of any benefits we get from it, but simply because it does.
Benefits are not proof of existence. Existence, is proof of existence. Benefits play no role here

terrezo2002:

Why do you sound so disturb because I said Spiritual things are beyond science. Well, the statement is correct. Proving spiritual things to the spiritually blind person is a waste of time because he will not understand. It is like teaching advance mathematics to a new born baby.

terrezo2002:

Just speak to Him. He knows hears you. He knows how to respond to you.

Wilgrea7:


This doesn't answer the questions I asked earlier? You want me to speak to a "Him"... how can i be sure I'm speaking to the right person?

How am I sure it is a he, and not a she, or an it. How am I sure there's only 1 person.

What if i speak to him, and he says his name is Zeus, or Odin

What if i pray, and they say they're actually female, and not male?

terrezo2002:

You are obviously not interested in knowing this God. You want to asking questions you know I won't answer

Wilgrea7:


Who else am i supposed to ask? You said your spiritual method beats the scientific method when it comes to finding out who the creator is... That's why I'm asking you.

terrezo2002:

I asked you to speak to God.
Just say God....then say your mind to Him

Wilgrea7:


I did so... I heard nothing. Just blank silence

terrezo2002:

Continue asking. When He sees your motive and your humility, He will respond

Wilgrea7:


That seems like a rather ineffective way of learning about something.

What if he never responds?

Judas1X:

As usual, you are assuming a Creator here. If you can't provide evidence of this creator, your assertion here is meaningless.

Judas1X:

DMumuSpeaker, Its comments like this that reveal your severe cognitive impairment. Contrary to your myopic and uninformed claim, history has proven that it those who are fixated gods and religions that insist on hatred, prejudice and violent conflict.

Have you ever heard of Atheist Crusade or Atheist Jihad?

Religious conflict
Religious intolerance
Religious oppression

These are the things preventing world peace

sonmvayina:


Dtruthspeaker,.hope you are following?

Dtruthspeaker:
There is nothing to assume when without a shadow of doubt, as is already seen and known in and on this world, no thing can create itself. Not a phone, nor a car, nor man nor animal, nor thing.

Besides, if we should assume that there is a creator, then that creator is clearly not omnipotent. In fact he's an ignoramus creator . Women die in childbirth. Imagine designing a living thing to be killed literally by the act of perpetuating its own species. Your jaw is not big enough for all of your teeth. You're prone to bad backs because you're a biped. If you're male you can look forward to prostate problems in later life because the prostate surrounds the urethra. Again some design; wrapping an organ that expands through life around a collapsible drainage pipe. The vertebrate eye, what a horror story, especially considering molluscs have eyes and none of the problems ours have. If you were capable of the slightest bit of logic, you'd understand this things. Unfortunately though, you're as shallow as a roadside puddle

you are the one who is clearly myopic and fixated here in looking only at the needle prick view of what you call religious jihad whereas crime sections and crime reports all over the world daily show how greatly evil people are with no correlation or connection with your so called religious jihad,

If you already know this genius, then why bring up the nonsensical claim that without gods and religion, there will be anarchy and mayhem, hmm? Olodo wizard, if god is needed for peace to reign, then how come crime and violent acts exist in societies where religious beliefs and doctrines take active center stage. Why does religious intolerance still exist, eh, DMumuSpeaker?

and apparently one would say that they are committed by atheists.

Unfortunately for you, terrorists such as Al Qaeda, Boko Haram etc. perpetuate their violent crimes as a result of their religious beliefs. The Ku Klax Klan was a terrorist organization basing their beliefs on Christian doctrines. So it is evident that religious people CAN and DO commit crimes. In fact, statistics have shown that majority of prison inmates consist of religious adherents, with atheists making a few of the numbers. Your logic is twisted. Your education is spawned from Sunday School and Christian movies

Dtruthspeaker:


Madman, go your dustbin go sleep!

terrezo2002:

You should try first. He responded to those who did. Just like He responded to me

LordTheus:

Which God? Yahweh, Allah, Vishnu, Anubis...?

sonmvayina:


There is only one, just the name is different..

MaxInDHouse:


Of course people hear voices from the spirit realms but such are the handiworks of demons not God!

sonmvayina:

There is only one, just the name is different..

terrezo2002:

Is it only demons that speak from the spirit realms? Does the spirit of God not speak too?

MaxInDHouse:


[b]Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways. Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things! Hebrews 1:1-2

After sending His only begotten Son (Jesus) God doesn't speak with anyone again that's why He gave us the Bible to direct us {2Timothy 3:16} any voice speaking afterwards is from demons! Galatians 1:8