Maynman:


read the whole chapter yourself and find out, it’s about Nebuchadnezzar II, the chapter didn’t start from verse 12.
Satan literally means adversary, even one of your deity angels was a satan(adversary) to baalam.


Lucifer is a greek translation of satan by jerome.
Morning star is not a person, you should read up on how early greek church fathers turned it to a figure.
The storyline has to be right, your deity is the protagonist and “satan” the antagonist.
Perfect movie

MrPRevailer:


Goodluck with depending on biased mainstream media and Wikipedia to give you facts.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

MrPRevailer:


Goodluck with depending on globalist -controlled biased/propagandist mainstream media and Wikipedia to give you facts.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Maynman:


Goodluck on basing your whole life on random books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS.

MrPRevailer:


If you believe it's a random book, why are you trying to teach believers the bible?
Ok now it's obvious you are here to deceive people.
God is real. Hellfire is real. And the wicked will receive according to their wicked works. I pray you cease now.

Maynman:


Is Wikipedia also lying about other religion?
Or they just hate the israelite god, yahweh?
https://www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/

Keep worshipping abrahamaic gods

MrPRevailer:


Wikipedia is a secular library run by the leftist media.
It has censored alot of knowledge on medical cures, archeology, history etc.
If you were unplugged from the mainstream media matrix, you should have realised it. But you are happy were you are. A mentally ill man is always happy right?

MrPRevailer:
If Man as intelligent as he is can sacrifice his life to save his pet dog or cat,
If Man can begin to disfigure himself to look like aliens he is obsessed with.

Then God can also love man, that he became a man to save mankind. Because that's the only way to save mankind.

knowingChrist:
With due respect sir, what you're saying is very incorrect. You said "we're sure it was a literal snake that spoke to Eve" then went on to say Adam and Eve was deceived by this talking snake and I asked you who's this "we" who are sure that it was a snake? Simply because what you say contradict what's obtainable in the scriptures.

If this we is just you and your friends or your religious group then be bold enough to say it. I for a person do not subscribe to this ideology that there was a talking snake in Garden of Eden at least not by reading the bible. Maybe you found this myth in other books or from your religion but it's certainly not from the bible. And I have taken time to write this on here and even on many platforms like Quora and Twitter.

I'll glad if you can check them out or at least take some time to study the bible so you don't generalize your assumptions on everyone. God bless you.

MaobiCarl:


And the snake spoke to eve!

knowingChrist:

So you automatically assume that the snake is this person called Satan right?

knowingChrist:
So you automatically assume that the snake is this person called Satan right?

MaxInDHouse:


Most creatures has the sense of sight, hearing and making a sound but the ability to speak is a gift given to humans only. So out of all the creatures on planet earth only humans specie is expected to have a form of language because we do communicate.
In the spirit realms there is all these senses as well and angels can use it all, that's why they can speak with humans too. Unlike humans who now has issues dealing with the confusion that started at Babel {Genesis 11:1-9} the angels don't have any problem because they know we're still speaking the same language globally it's a spiritual force that's blurring our senses from understanding one another regarding tongue so when they speak to anyone from any nationality you will hear them speak in your mother tongue.
Now this supernatural creatures also have the power to speak in a multitude of people and open the receptive senses of just one or a few to understand what they're saying whereas the rest will start wondering what is happening.
Well that's exactly what Satan (a fallen angel) did when he used a snake just like a puppet to speak to Eve {Genesis 3:1-5} that's why the Bible later identified the real creature behind the voice Eve heard that day as Satan! Revelations 12:7

MaxInDHouse:
You said: “I will always be the Mistress, forever.” You did not take these things to heart; You did not consider how the matter would end. Isaiah 47:7

What has this got to do with God creating evil?

MaobiCarl:


Isaiah 45vs7
New International Version
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

In the old testament Hebrew God was both evil and good God. He wasn't in opposition with devil or darkness. He causes everything.

The Satan connotation or invention is absolutely strange in the old testament

MrPRevailer:


Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Luke 22:3 "Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve."

Satan is a spirit. It's either he was speaking physically with Eve or he entered into a snake.
Judas committed evil because he was under the influence of the Devil.

John 10:10 "The thief came not but to kill, steal and destroy"

Dtruthspeaker:


See how you people are blind when you read?

What you call new testament
Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth,

What you call old testament
Genesis 3:13
..And the woman said, The serpent beguiled (deceived) me, and I did eat

MaxInDHouse:


You first cited Isaiah 47:7 but as for 45:7 it doesn't mean what you're thinking rather it's deeper than that!

God is not the cause of evil deeds you need to understand what that verse is saying!

MaobiCarl:

You want me to understand what you've interpreted to be what the verse is saying or what the writer of isaiah and all the writers of old testament are saying?
This one can pass

MaxInDHouse:


Well it simply means servants of God shouldn't fear whatever evil enemies of pure worship can plan because all the things they want to use against God's servants are created by God.

For instance fire is a destructive agent this is the agent that destroyed Nebuchadnezzar's men whereas God controlled all the gases that made up fire and converted it to AC for Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego.

So the same God who created the destructive agent known as fire for a purpose turned it to a cooler because of His own servants.
Therefore servants of God shouldn't fear whatever evil plan enemies of God may have in mind because everything they know to perpetrate their evil deeds is under the control of the Creator who knows all the elements that makes up those things. Psalms 23:4

That's the practical application of what you're quoting not that God planned good and evil Sir!

MaobiCarl:
Do I care about what you think it means? The true meaning can only come from the author of the text and not the reader. So far it's all clearly written that God is the bringer of goodness and evil. So shut up with ur apologetic defense

MaobiCarl:

Do I care about what you think it means? The true meaning can only come from the author of the text and not the reader. So far it's all clearly written that God is the bringer of goodness and evil. So shut up with ur apologetic defense

MaxInDHouse:


Guy, the author is God Himself but used humans as His secretaries to pen down His thoughts so if you can't reason with a fellowman to agree on the practical application of what you read in that book it's OK i only came to help you go and meet your Muslim or atheist brothers who kills one another based on the opinion that your stupid God is behind the evil deeds you're doing to your fellow believers in your stupid religion!

MaobiCarl:

Reason with you or accept your preferred interpretation of a very clear sentence. You can't accept that text yourself that's why it has to mean something else.
Isn't God finally what we want it to be?

MaobiCarl:

If the snake was Satan's puppet, why did genesis god curse the snake to crawl and removes its legs?

MaobiCarl:


What business does the book of revelation have with genesis. Both where marketing two different things almost 700 years apart.
I the op asked you to use genesis or any old testament account to prove that the serpent that was cursed in genesis after deceiving eve was not a snake.

All you did was prove the original point that Satan does not exist in the old testament.

MaobiCarl:
..Satan did not appear anywhere in genesis account..

MaobiCarl:

The verse in no way suggested it was nothing else but snake. Is your Christainity that brought the idea Satan.
Not genesis, not old Judaism and not the old testament.

MaxInDHouse:


Most creatures has the sense of sight, hearing and making a sound but the ability to speak is a gift given to humans only. So out of all the creatures on planet earth only humans specie is expected to have a form of language because we do communicate.
In the spirit realms there is all these senses as well and angels can use it all, that's why they can speak with humans too. Unlike humans who now has issues dealing with the confusion that started at Babel {Genesis 11:1-9} the angels don't have any problem because they know we're still speaking the same language globally it's a spiritual force that's blurring our senses from understanding one another regarding tongue so when they speak to anyone from any nationality you will hear them speak in your mother tongue.
Now this supernatural creatures also have the power to speak in a multitude of people and open the receptive senses of just one or a few to understand what they're saying whereas the rest will start wondering what is happening.
Well that's exactly what Satan (a fallen angel) did when he used a snake just like a puppet to speak to Eve {Genesis 3:1-5} that's why the Bible later identified the real creature behind the voice Eve heard that day as Satan! Revelations 12:7

knowingChrist:
With due respect Mr max, this is a beautiful narrative sir but it cannot stand. Never did anywhere in the scripture says what you said. Are you telling me that if you're saying that Satan Is the serpent then why didn't the whole of Genesis to Jude reiterate it, but you miraculously found the answer in Revelation.

I'm convinced what you say on this topic is incorrect and I'll like you to humbly accept that you're wrong and ask God to teach you the truth.
I'll not tell you that I know better but I'm certain that what you're saying is not the truth bc it's not well distributed across the books of the scripture. Moses didn't say the serpent is Satan and John's Revelation is totally unconnected to what happened in Eden.
One was talking about fall of Adam while one was talking about the Victory of Christ. One was talking about old Adam while the other was talking about New Adam; two different focus. So pls don't mix up scriptural situations to produce something that looks nice but not good for the soul. Thank you