Igboid:


I can't leave you when you are greedily encroaching into Into territory.
Anioma is part and parcel of Igbo conglomerate.
They are big stake holders in Igbo union.
You don't think you can start writing all sort of things about that territory without Eastern Igbos getting involved?

Think again.

Logicisfree2:

This should open everybody's eyes to the fact that what we are dealing with is south-easterners trying to grab lands outside their domain.

Logicisfree2:
To anybody whom is intelligent enough to debate with logic: show me any monarch with Obi as ancestral title (not a guy who changed his title in the colonial or post colonial era to Obi) and I will show you his Benin regalia and Benin sword.
One of my great great grand fathers was an Obi, he had several children, one of them was given Obaseki as a title by Oba Ovonramwen.

Logicisfree2:
To anybody whom is intelligent enough to debate with logic: show me any monarch with Obi as ancestral title (not a guy who changed his title in the colonial or post colonial era to Obi) and I will show you his Benin regalia and Benin sword.
One of my great great grand fathers was an Obi, he had several children, one of them was given Obaseki as a title by Oba Ovonramwen.

Ofunwa111:

Quiet there, Old dumb baldie .. . Obi is not Ogie. Take your Ozanagogo brothers and go.

Logicisfree2:

What can one say to this ?
@Ologbo147, you see, this is why I don't respond to fools, and extremists. No logic, all theatrics. Imagine the kind of person whom is so obsessed with you that they look for you everyday and night on nairaland and whenever you open an account, they think they are forced to engage you. This is how you can improve your understanding: I am not seeking to engage them and they are not snubbing me, they are obsessed with me and they follow me around like little puppies. Note that this troll is yoruba and has zero links to the conversation.

Ofunwa111:

My own is, stop lying.. Obi is not Ogie and will never be !!

AreaFada2:


Samuk, the way history has been rewritten by those tribes that the British favoured after 1897 and benefitted initially from 1914 amalgamation and post-independence, is beginning to miseducate some Edo people. Say around 1986, if I greeted elderly people "Lamogun or La'Umogun", they will recite the "oriki", uwaenmwen or praise of Umogun descendants. I would have to politely wait for them to finish before proceeding on my merry way. My experience as a young chap. Edohen, Ero, Elawure, Ezomo and other descendants also have their oriki. A chap who greets Lamogun today might even get a reply in Pidgin English from the elder.

Kids today may not even know that there is something like oriki.
Edo people brought up in Lagos are helping to spread the myth that Edo people come from Yoruba. That is how their "accommodating" hosts educated them.

For anyone to use languages or dialects spoken today in various districts of former Benin Empire to decide or conjure up what the origins or demographics of those areas were around 1440-1473 when Oba Ewuare I reigned, is an abysmal disservice to scholarship and common sense.

But at least the guy has enough fantasy and attempted to think, albeit being misguided.

samuk:


It's been a while, I am glad you learnt something. These interventions is often necessary every now and then for the sake of our future generations. There are people whose goals are to rewrite Benin history. Unfortunately for them, there are enough materials on the archives from late 1400s to late 1800s ( about 400 years) to prevent their revisionists agenda, all we have to do is to research them and use them as evidences to counter their lies.

Logicisfree2:

This should open everybody's eyes to the fact that what we are dealing with is south-easterners trying to grab lands outside their domain. This is all it is. These Igbo revisionists are making up all these stories as a prelude to land-grabbing. We know where they are: southeast.
Do you guys still remember when some of these guys said Irabor was an Igbo name ?
@samuk

gregyboy:



I was happy to see the screenshot when am financially bouyant enough i would sponser the publication of this old document to the public....

I don't know why the Palace refuse to do so

This is my dream retracing our history deviod fallacy and myth then we can find the missing link to untie the great edo people again

I had it posted on my status were both the igbos, and the edo and other tribe I have in my contact could see the truth

And igbo girl objected with a 1945 document I just laugh

Please share me the link to the book

samuk:


Infact they were actually after the entire Nigeria, it was Sadauna of Sokoto resistance in the 1950 that partly resulted in him been killed by Igbo military officers after independence. Since they can no longer dominate northern Nigeria, they are now eyeing the south South. Like I said before Edo and Delta are bigger than the entire south east in size.

Igboid:


Nope.
You were never one with Western Igbos.
The union between you and Western Igbos into [s]Bini empire was made possible by Portuguese firearms[/s] you acquired, while British firearms brought to an end of that ungodly union.
That's your bitterness.
Move on.
You can't be one with a people you can't converse with except with the use of English language that the same British you begrudge brought to you.
You should be looking towards Urhobo, Isoko, Epie-Etissa, Degema, etc.
They are your real brothers, the Edoid language you all speak proves that.
Move on.

Logicisfree2:
I have a precolonial book in which an european visitor to our shores was on his way to Jebu. The European refers to some Benin nobles with the title Obi, which he describes as basically a Duke title.
I let dogmatic and clueless ignoramuses to continue their show of intellectual lazyness.

samuk:


I don't think I still have the link, it's been years, but a search on the Internet should yield something.

Logicisfree2:
I am always amazed by the intellectual lazyness of Nigerians and Africans in general.
1) the notion of ethnicity didn't exist before colonization, so @redbonesmith asking for the ethnicity of people who lived before colonization is only exhibiting intellectual lazyness.

samuk:



Infact they were actually after the entire Nigeria, it was Sadauna of Sokoto resistance in the 1950 that partly resulted in him been killed by Igbo military officers after independence. Since they can no longer dominate northern Nigeria, they are now eyeing the south South. Like I said before Edo and Delta are bigger than the entire south east in size.

Kc3000:


Negative. The Sarduana of Sokoto was killed by Chukwuma Nzeogwu who is a Bini man from Asaba, according to you all.

Lol ndi ara.

samuk:


By 1875 Ibos were already migrating to Asaba, they eventually overwhelmed the original Asabans who were not Ibo. Chukwuma Nzeogwo was a descendant of Ibo migrants in then mid West Region. They wanted to extend their overbearing attitude and domination to the North by killing Sarduana and Tafawa Balewa. The North and other Nigerians who foresaw the danger of the Igbos fought back and ensure they lost their political and military positions in Nigeria after the war.

Kc3000:


Negative. The Sarduana of Sokoto was killed by Chukwuma Nzeogwu who is a Bini man from Asaba, according to you all.

Lol ndi ara.

Maazieze:


and the source for the rubbish you posted is where?

Oghodua:
it is not rubbish my brother this is fact. The excerpt is by Ajayi crowther

Maazieze:

and where can i read were he stated such?

samuk:


By 1875 Ibos were already migrating to Asaba, they eventually overwhelmed the original Asabans who were not Ibo. Chukwuma Nzeogwo was a descendant of Ibo migrants in then mid West Region. They wanted to extend their overbearing attitude and domination to the North by killing Sarduana and Tafawa Balewa. The North and other Nigerians who foresaw the danger of the Igbos fought back and ensure they lost their political and military positions in Nigeria after the war.

samuk:


By 1875 Ibos were already migrating to Asaba, they eventually overwhelmed the original Asabans who were not Ibo. Chukwuma Nzeogwo was a descendant of Ibo migrants in then mid West Region. They wanted to extend their overbearing attitude and domination to the North by killing Sarduana and Tafawa Balewa. The North and other Nigerians who foresaw the danger of the Igbos fought back and ensure they lost their political and military positions in Nigeria after the war.

Igboid:


There is no such thing as Igbo migration to Asaba.
Igbos indigenously inhabited the two sides of River Niger from Agbor to Cross River and regularly criss crossed the area.
Before Nnebisi had a reverse migration from Nteje in Anambra to Asaba, there an indigenous thriving Igbo community led by a man called "Eze-Anyanwu".
Many indigenous Igbo groups in Western Igbo also migrated from their homelands there to cross River Niger and establish new homes in Eastern Igbo. Example are the Ubulus, the Akris/Akarai, Akalaka who left Western Igbo land to found communities in Ogbaru Anambra, Ogba and Ekpeye in Rivers State.

Igbo is deep rooted in antiquity and much older than Bini who are nothing but a new hybrid group made up Nupe, Igbo, Yoruba and indigenous Edoid people like the Ozas and Esans.

samuk:



Infact they were actually after the entire Nigeria, it was Sadauna of Sokoto resistance in the 1950 that partly resulted in him been killed by Igbo military officers after independence. Since they can no longer dominate northern Nigeria, they are now eyeing the south South. Like I said before Edo and Delta are bigger than the entire south east in size.