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Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Maynmann: 2:42pm On Nov 05, 2022 |
Janosky: What is the percentage of those affected by this “recent study” What’s the percentage of those that got their lives saved through blood transfusions. According to your own screenshot, in 2019, out of over 10 million cases, only 44 forty four were affected, illiterate
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Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Janosky: 2:57pm On Nov 05, 2022 |
oteneaaron: FALSE info of a WAILER. The Mods Una dey see am? oteneaaron: The eggs you eat has albumin which is also in blood fractions. When you eat eggs, is it the same thing as you taking the entire blood? Otenearron using YouTube video to mislead Nairaland. oteneaaron:FAKE analogy. Person oteneaaron:FALSE claims. This is violation of Nairaland Rule 8. |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Wilgrea7(m): 5:37pm On Nov 05, 2022 |
Janosky: I don't know why exactly you think this helps your case in any way, shape or form. As i explained to maximus before, you're only doing a case of "my skydaddy said so". It proves absolutely nothing. Some people's skydaddy wants them to kill infidels. So i guess we should support them since it's skydaddy season right? Also, in regards to some of Jesus' words not making sense to his immediate followers. I'd like to remind you that the words spoken by mad men on the street also don't make sense to the people who hear them. I'm not trying to equate Jesus to a mad person. I'm just pointing out that your claim to some sort of "higher wisdom" makes no sense, since it can be applied to anyone. Now, on to your scientific journal rebuttal. Janosky: So at this point I'm wondering if you actually read through the thing you posted. In the second paragraph, the writer clearly said that blood transfusions are generally safe. But that's not the main thing here. I want to focus on the terrible math you did there. So I don't know what school you went to, but that isn't how percentages are calculated. The report clearly states that out of 10.8 million people in 2019, only 44 fatalities occurred. Let's do some simple math. (44/10,800,000)*100. That's a 0.0004 percent fatality rate. Meaning blood transfusions were 99.9996 percent successful. So your claim here is pretty much dead on arrival. |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Wilgrea7(m): 7:07pm On Nov 06, 2022 |
Janosky: I don't know why exactly you think this helps your case in any way, shape or form. As i explained to maximus before, you're only doing a case of "my skydaddy said so". It proves absolutely nothing. Some people's skydaddy wants them to k1ll infidels. So i guess we should support them right? Also, in regards to some of Jesus' words not making sense to his immediate followers. I'd like to remind you that the words spoken by mad men on the street also don't make sense to the people who hear them. I'm not trying to equate Jesus to a mad person. I'm just pointing out that your claim to some sort of "higher wisdom" makes no sense, since it can be applied to anyone. Now, on to your scientific journal rebuttal. I'll be posting this as a screenshot since the NL bots seem to be keen on limiting my account. 1 Like
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Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Janosky: 7:27pm On Nov 06, 2022 |
Wilgrea7:The research outcome in that medical journal was from the entire globe, dubious statistician ? The same medical personnel (most of them atheists sharing your worldview) you want us to believe lend credence to your claim are the same medical personnel pushing for bloodless surgery as a professionally accepted means of medical treatment recognised by their esteemed profession. No be force to like JWs or what we believe. Please,stay in your lane.
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Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Aemmyjah(m): 7:41pm On Nov 06, 2022 |
Janosky: He'll come and say that the pix you posted is from our website Why try to lead the blind? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Janosky: 7:47pm On Nov 06, 2022 |
Aemmyjah:His fellow atheists in the medical profession disagree with his position. 1 Like |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Aemmyjah(m): 7:58pm On Nov 06, 2022 |
Janosky: In his mind, those fellow atheists are actually Jehovah's witnesses but they don't believe in God 2 Likes |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Wilgrea7(m): 8:09pm On Nov 06, 2022 |
Janosky: And how does this negate the terrible math you did there? The same medical personnel (most of them atheists sharing your worldview) you want us to believe lend credence to your claim are the same medical personnel pushing for bloodless surgery as a professionally accepted means of medical treatment recognised by their esteemed profession. What are you even talking about? Since when did "most medical personnel" automatically become atheists? Also, when did I ever make a case against bloodless transfusions? All I did was point out that your math was terrible, and that your claims were either false, outdated, or greatly over-exaggerated. And now you're shifting the goalpost to something I clearly did not say. You've clearly been debunked and now you're going off on a different tangent. Nothing in your last response negates the fact that blood transfusions when done right had over 99 pct success rate. Don't get mad at me. I'm not the one who published the report you misunderstood and tried to use as proof. If the bloodless route works, then that's fine too. I have no problems with either. It still doesn't change the fact that you were wrong. Also, I'll be leaving this thread for now, because NL seems to love b4nning me whenever I post here. My advice to you is, before you make some claim, try to gather your facts well. Your religious bias has clearly failed to influence reality as you expected. This back and forth has gone on for far too long. Adios. |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Wilgrea7(m): 9:00pm On Nov 07, 2022 |
Janosky: Random Jesus statement 1 Like
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Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Aemmyjah(m): 10:45pm On Nov 07, 2022 |
Wilgrea7: You're talking too much Go n find REAL fact and come back Those in developed lands are hailing us on that You that is still holding onto something that will change 1 Like |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Freedom4us: 12:33pm On Nov 18, 2022 |
Bodmum:I am to respect people who believe the murder of Christians is good? Are you okay ? |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:15pm On Nov 18, 2022 |
Freedom4us: Are you sure JWs are Christians? Because they're not forcing their opinion on other religions! 1 Like |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Janosky: 6:57pm On Nov 18, 2022 |
Wilgrea7:1. Most medical personnel are atheists. Oga,kiss the truth. 2. Does the evidence acknowledged by medical sciences PROVEN there are fatalities arising from the form of treatment you support? Yes ! 3. No, your claim were debunked. Does this screenshot PROVEN that you were wrong to project your bias over the choices I make as far as medical treatment is concerned? Yes ! 4. Oga, you have zero input over the choices I & my fellow brothers make with a clear conscience,(which medical sciences has PROVEN it's validity) and professionally accepted with PROVEN results. 5. Shalom.
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Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Wilgrea7(m): 8:29am On Nov 19, 2022 |
This has gone on for far too long. Janosky: Proof? 2. Does the evidence acknowledged by medical sciences PROVEN there are fatalities arising from the form of treatment you support? Fatalities arise from almost every medical procedure that tries to save a life. Even surgeries don't have a hundred percent efficiency rate. However, the fatalities involved in this particular process is significantly less than you tried to portray as I've shown. You're the one who did terrible math to support your false claim. And when i corrected you, you went on to shift the goalpost. 3. Somehow I'm supposed to take a screenshot from quora as proof? Since when did Quora become a credible scientific source? The one scientific source you tried to use ended up proving you wrong. And now you're pulling unscientific sources to prove your point. I'm sorry man. I'm not the reason for your disagreement with reality. 4. I've told you before. I couldn't care less if you go with bloodless transfusions. Just don't twist figures to paint a picture that does not exist [/quote] Shalom. [/quote] Like i said, this has gone on for far too long. Consider this my last response to this thread. Adios. |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:05am On Nov 19, 2022 |
One thing i've discovered in faithless people is the way they come up with different faces against God's organization but the truth will always prevail. Whoever wants blood transfusion we won't stop him or her but our own God says it's not good for our health! Act 15:28-29 2 Likes |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Sand2022: 6:46pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: While I agree that God is against eating blood, it however, didn't comment on blood transfusion. Don't you think since the bible is silent, that issue should be left for conscience? I mean the bible principle you quoted didn't comment on blood transfusion. That command is only limiting dietary eating of blood, right? 1 Like |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:54pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
Sand2022: Ọmọ stick to your Jesus while we stick to our GOVERNING BODY, you're not on the same page with us! 2 Likes |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Janosky: 8:32pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
Sand2022: The principle of Acts 15:28-29 stands. The samething from another source into your system is what the verses is against. Those Hypocrites pretending to be liberal. |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:43pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
Janosky:He claims he's for Jesus but i wonder why it's those claiming they're for Jesus that's always disturbed about what those following the Governing Body say? 1 Like |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by johnw47: 10:51pm On Nov 19, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: MaxInDHouse: MaxInDHouse: Ecclesiastes 7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool there you have it from the mad man's mouth, Christians have Jesus while false jw's have their governing body, they follow their governing body of course true Christians have Jesus, true Christians follow Jesus, Jesus is head of the true Christian Church, eph 5 & col 1, no governing body or a charismatic leader or papacy etc. etc. is head of the true Church, Jesus is, that's who true Christians of God given faith follow 1 Like |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:41am On Nov 20, 2022 |
The real Jesus said: (1)“I was not sent to anyone except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" Matthew 15:24 (2)“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?" Matthew 24:45 (3)“Have no fear, little flock, for your Father has approved of giving you the Kingdom." Luke 12:32 (4)"Whoever is not on my side is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters" Luke 11:23 (5)"I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one" John 17:22 1~ Jesus has no direct dealing with people of the nations so if anyone not connected through a group of spiritual Jews think he has anything to do with Jesus such a person is on his/her own! Zechariah 8:23 2 ~ Jesus has handed over the gathering of his sheep to small group of anointed men who are serving as a faithful and discreet slave, whatever they bind or loosen on this planet has heavenly backing! Matthew 16:19 3 ~ The rulership of Jesus' endtime disciples has been given to this humble anointed men so Jesus referred to them as his "brothers" and whoever reject their humble services has nothing to do with Christ Jesus! Matthew 25:34-46 4 ~ All those turning against this arrangement can never unite as true disciples of Christ since they're only interested in what pleases them not what is mandatory as tenets of Christianity that's why you're all having contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines yet claiming disciples of just one man! 2Corinthians 4:4 5 ~ True disciples of Christ will all have the same line of thought {1Corinthians 1:10} LOVE is their identifying Mark {John 13:34-35} there must not be anything causing division among them so politics or racism affecting the nations can't influence them to kill one another like the people under Satan's control! Revelations 6:3-4 So when you people claim you're for Jesus yet there's no solid agreement on terms and conditions of worship it makes you people workers of LAWLESSNESS {Matthew 7:21-23} as you're making a mockery of the most wonderful counselor of all time whose true followers are to be noticed as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally! Isaiah 2:2-4 compare Matthew 5:14-16 I purposely set the trap expecting any of you to come and raise the objection but foolish you have entered it, now prove yourself a true disciple of Christ by refuting what Christ who has no direct dealing with anyone from the nations said above! johnw47: 2 Likes |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by johnw47: 10:54pm On Nov 20, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: false jw mad maximus your post doesn't absolve you of saying you have your governing body, you follow your governing body, and i say again: we Christians have Christ, we follow Christ to put it in terms for even a simpleton to understand: you have your governing body's teachings, you follow your governing body's teachings Christians have Jesus teachings, we follow Jesus teachings you false jw's sure are dum, aren't you 1 Like |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by johnw47: 11:19pm On Nov 20, 2022 |
Janosky: Ecclesiastes 7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool Act 15:29 that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell. the verse is against the eating of animal blood for nourshment, as seen from other bible verses to say the verse is against transfusion of blood which saves life, is adding to God's word, which you false jw's are good at doing: Deu 12:32 "Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it refusing to allow a procedure to save a life, is akin to murder: Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 1 Like |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by jaephoenix(m): 1:46am On Nov 21, 2022 |
Janosky:I didn’t want to contribute to this for fear of this mad spamb9t restricting my account. But I'll chip in I am a Physician of 16 years experience. Blood transfusion is a life saver. Reason why hospitals all over the world go for blood drives. Reason why there are blood banks globally. So I don't know where Max got his narrative that health workers abhor transfusions Now bloodless surgeries are safe, no doubt, but guess what? They don't apply to all surgeries, they are very expensive and not every surgeon can operate that way. We doctors try as much as possible to reduce blood loss during ops but sometimes it doesn't work out that way, and u end up with angry bleeders. So what do u do? Not many Nigerians can afford minimally invasive procedures. Example, open appendicitis is circa 50k to 250k but laparoscopic appendicitis(which is a bloodless surgery) is around 1 to 1.5m. Now Caesarean Section and abdominal myomectomy are very bloody ops. Myomectomy is surgical removal of fibroids. Only certain fibroids can be removed by a laparoscopic myomectomy and they have to be small. So if the fibroids are large, numerous or deeply embedded in the uterus, then an abdominal myomectomy may be necessary. So if you are a Witness, what do u do? Another point Witnesses get it wrong is the blood substitutes they use like haemacel etc. Now these substances don't replace blood and they are damn costly. About 50k for a pint, while a pint of blood is around 5k. Imagine a patient that needs 3 pints… Worse still, if they are bleeding profusely from say big lacerations and stab wounds, haemacel and other subs are plain useless and of course are not readily available since would have to source them, and by the time it's ready, you're already dead. U need blood Now we arrive at the issue of transfusion reaction. Like I pointed out earlier, I have been in practice for circa 16 years, and have been transfusing patients and I haven't seen 1 fatal reaction. Just one febrile reaction which I gave a shot of hydrocort, ran some saline and still recommenced the transfusion later which completed peacefully. My point… blood transfusion reactions are getting less and less troublesome. It's even less troublesome now we have better screening techniques and better drugs to counter them if they do happen Thanks for attending my Ted talk, sirs |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:19am On Nov 21, 2022 |
johnw47: Use the Bible to prove that Jesus has any direct dealing with gentiles because the Bible say he (Jesus) will not change {Hebrews 13:8} don't argue blindly use God's word and show everyone on this forum that the real Jesus has changed into having direct dealings with none Jews! Matthew 10:6; 15:24 The real Jesus has no direct dealings with any individual who is not a Jew so he told his listeners that when it comes to personal needs they should make their petitions known to God (directly) {Matthew 6:6} but when it has to do with the work he assigned to his disciples they should form a team and their prayer will attract his attention! Matthew 18:20 So instead of arguing blindly use God's word to prove that you people know the real Jesus not a demon deceiving you into lawless acts! Matthew 7:21-23 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:28am On Nov 21, 2022 |
jaephoenix: I'm not a health personel but one thing is sure i have many of your colleagues back in school who disclosed to me that there are certain things your faculty must keep away from the public so as to continue being relevant in the society. For instance traditional medical practitioners had to continue dragging with your faculty for decades over the right to make drugs just because your white supremacists insisted on sidelining them. So i'm not arguing with you on whether you're a physician or not but the people talking about hazards in blood transfusion aren't JWs rather they're also certified health personels so instead of mentioning me you can refute their claims! |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by AkinwaleJJ(f): 4:34am On Nov 21, 2022 |
jaephoenix: Instead of mentioning Max please refute the claims of certified health personels regarding the hazards of blood transfusion! |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Maximus692(m): 5:06am On Nov 21, 2022 |
jaephoenix: Instead of mentioning Max why not just refute the claims of certified health personels who are talking about hazards in blood transfusion? They've listed so many things and your story about 16 years is not enough to cover up their claims otherwise we will have to tell you stories of many successfully bloodless surgeries! |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Courz: 10:30am On Nov 21, 2022 |
A very good and well informed comment from Jaephoenix. You can tell that doctrines of JWs only appeal to perpetually ignorant people. If you want to make a JW look stupid, just give very hard facts backed with real life experiences, history and a very good education on a subject. Works everytime. Then you will realise their stupidity. 1 Like |
Re: Why Jehovah Witnesses Reject Blood Transfusion But God Created Eve Used Adam Rib by Janosky: 12:58pm On Nov 21, 2022 |
johnw47: Your opinion is not the Bible's opinion. This form of medical treatment (in screenshot) that is globally endorsed by medical science is highly appreciated by JWs & PROVEN by medical professionals & medical research. John W Fraud,Carry your mumu tantrums go offline.
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