orisa37:
PROPHETS ARE ANOINTED FOR SOME SPECIFIC RESPONSIBILITIES. ISHMAEL WAS ANOINTED FOR ARABUNITY.

From ORUNTO27.

The question was about Prophethood amongst the descendants of Ismail.

1. Did Allah ordain the Prophethood for the descendants of Ismail?


Qur'an29:27
And We gave to Him Isaac and Jacob and placed in his descendants prophethood and scripture. And We gave him his reward in this world, and indeed, he is in the Hereafter among the righteous.

2. If the Prophethood was also ordained for Ishmael's descendants, why would Allah EXCLUDE the name of Ishmael?

3. Is there no verse in the Qur'an where Allah designated the descendants of Ismail as Prophets?

TenQ:

Are you saying that Allah made a mistake in Qur'an29:27?

Qur'an29:27
And We gave to Him Isaac and Jacob and placed in his descendants prophethood and scripture. And We gave him his reward in this world, and indeed, he is in the Hereafter among the righteous.

If the Prophethood was also ordained for Ishmael's descendants, why would Allah EXCLUDE the name of Ishmael?

Is there no verse in the Qur'an where Allah designated the descendants of Ismail as Prophets?

Did you read my post at all before you came up with this?

After ishmeal, no other prophet came from his line until the Mission of Prophet Muhammad. So, why would the Quran say otherwise?

From Isaac many prophets yet Moses called them Stiff neck, Jeremiah, Isaiah and many other Israelites prophet have terrible words to describe them.

Esau had two recorded in his line in Jonah and Job, so if a solitary Prophet was mentioned in Ishmael line, so what? God does what He wills.

[quote author=Lukuluku69 post=120038009][/quote]
You didn't respond!

Here is the post again!



Thank you for your attempt.

Qur'an 19:54
And make mention in the Scripture of Ishmael. Lo! he was a keeper of his promise, and he was a messenger (of Allah), a prophet.

Qur'an 19:54 Says
1. Ishmael was a prophet
2. Ishmael was a messenger

Unfortunately, the questions were:
1. How is it that from the seed of Ismail no prophet nor scriptures is ordained?
2. Is there any Quranic verse that shows that the Prophethood and scriptures is also for the children of Ismael ?

The questions were about the Children/Seed of Ishmael not about Ishmael himself.

Genesis 17:20 has nothing to do with Prophethood but of increase in population and prosperity (blessing) of the descendants of Ishmael.

Are you saying that Prophethood is inherited?


THE QUESTIONS AGAIN:
The firstborn of Abraham is Ismail, however according to Allah in Qur'an29:27, the Prophethood and scriptures bypassed him to Isaac and his descendants alone.


Qur'an29:27
And We gave to Him Isaac and Jacob and placed in his descendants prophethood and scripture. And We gave him his reward in this world, and indeed, he is in the Hereafter among the righteous.


1. How is it that from the seed of Ismail no prophet nor scriptures is ordained?
2. Is there any Quranic verse that shows that the Prophethood and scriptures is also for the children of Ismael?

Lukuluku69:
■God of Israel chose Ishmael name.
■ Read your Bible you will find it in Genesis God of Israel bless Esau and to you Mammon worshipers, blessing only entails material things. The blessing of Esau is manifested in Jonah and Job for they were prophets.
■Keep living in denial for if you are not spiritually jaundiced it is not too hard to see that blessing on the Arabs and by extension the Muslims.
■You once claimed that it is the ANIMALS that your Messiah will feed on will come from Arabia and I asked you then, that of all Animals that your Jewish overlord will require only the Arab breeds will be good enough for him? Abi? Dey play o.

1. What does giving him a name have to do with choosing him? God have a lot of others names too but that was just that, names.

2. Blessing of Esau manifested in Jonah and Job? Are you certain you are OK at all?

3. There are no scriptural grounds for any of these claims of yours.

4. My messiah will feed? Arab breed? He is the creator of it all — all animals— meaning your so-called "Arab breed" belongs to Him. And no, the passage in question does not say animals will be sourced only from the mentioned places.

By the way, blessings aren't measured in the material in scripture.

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Lukuluku69:


Did you read my post at all before you came up with this?

After ishmeal, no other prophet came from his line until the Mission of Prophet Muhammad. So, why would the Quran say otherwise?

From Isaac many prophets yet Moses called them Stiff neck, Jeremiah, Isaiah and many other Israelites prophet have terrible words to describe them.

Esau had two recorded in his line in Jonah and Job, so if a solitary Prophet was mentioned in Ishmael line, so what? God does what He wills.

The number of prophets in a person's descendant doesn't matter it could be just ONE or many.

The Question is why did Allah EXCLUDE the descendants of Ismail from Prophethood .

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TenQ:

You didn't respond!

Here is the post again!



Thank you for your attempt.

Qur'an 19:54
And make mention in the Scripture of Ishmael. Lo! he was a keeper of his promise, and he was a messenger (of Allah), a prophet.

Qur'an 19:54 Says
1. Ishmael was a prophet
2. Ishmael was a messenger

Unfortunately, the questions were:
1. How is it that from the seed of Ismail no prophet nor scriptures is ordained?
2. Is there any Quranic verse that shows that the Prophethood and scriptures is also for the children of Ismael ?

The questions were about the Children/Seed of Ishmael not about Ishmael himself.

Genesis 17:20 has nothing to do with Prophethood but of increase in population and prosperity (blessing) of the descendants of Ishmael.

Are you saying that Prophethood is inherited?


THE QUESTIONS AGAIN:
The firstborn of Abraham is Ismail, however according to Allah in Qur'an29:27, the Prophethood and scriptures bypassed him to Isaac and his descendants alone.


Qur'an29:27
And We gave to Him Isaac and Jacob and placed in his descendants prophethood and scripture. And We gave him his reward in this world, and indeed, he is in the Hereafter among the righteous.


1. How is it that from the seed of Ismail no prophet nor scriptures is ordained?
2. Is there any Quranic verse that shows that the Prophethood and scriptures is also for the children of Ismael?

You are reading too many meaningless stuff into this and it is already bordering on irritation.

All Prophets were sent to their people except the LAST ONE.

Ishmael was a Prophet among his people.

All Prophet from Isaac line including Isaac were sent to their people but they had more for their Nation was chosen as a model of things to come but they messed it up thru repeated backslidings. Jeremiah called them Aholah and Aholibah. TWO WHORING SISTERS in Judea and Samaria. As such, God rejected them and chooses another Nation.

Esau line had Jonah and Job sent to their people.

That Ishmeal was not accorded prophet hood by the Jews was simply because they knew from their scriptures that the Ensign of the whole people rest in his house.

To let you know this, aside Jews, all other ethnicity arising from Abraham Children all embrace Islam. The Midian, the Kedar, Tema, Joshtan,Nebioths all excepts the stiffnecks: the News.

MaxInDHouse:


No wahala at least we all know Egypt so where are the Assyrians, Babylonians and Persians today?

Oga stop yarning dust joor!

The Assyrians: present day Syria straddling Lebanon

The Babylonians: present day Iraq straddling the southern part of Syria

Persians: Present Day Iran with some Territories called Satraps in Afghanistan and Eastern part of India.

They all embrace Islam, they lost their languages (Except Persia/Iran) and Arabic became their lingua franca as was fortold in Zacharias. That is another mistake most christians make too! The Amakelites, Jebusites, Hitties,Midianites largely became Muslim and adopt the Arabic language.

Leave that Kingdom Hall na dust Dem they yarn!

TenQ:

The number of prophets in a person's descendant doesn't matter it could be just ONE or many.

The Question is why did Allah EXCLUDE the descendants of Ismail from Prophethood .

Allah does what He wills. Just like Jehovah made the children of the barren and desolate more than the married. Check Isaiah 54 you will see it there.

It is recorded albeit in undertones that Esau house had TWO in Jonah and Job. You can as well ask, why only TWO?

Person's of Faith don't ask why God did or say what He says, you just belief and follow. That is obidience.

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MaxInDHouse:


Job wasn't a prophet and Jonah was a Jew but i'm not ready for your insults now since you're not showing any sign of maturity even though you're growing older everyday. At least you should try to be liberal when handling talks with others after all neither Israelites nor Arabians are our families!

Another one! Lol

Jonah was Edom. He preached in Ninveh. The Jews /Israelites in all there Waka about never dwell in Ninveh, never visited Ninveh and Ninveh was never one of the Land that Jehovah gave them to possess. So, Jonah couldn't have been Jewish or Israelite.

Moses wrote that part as part of the Iraelites education spiritually. You can consult Jewish site and confirm or simply ask Google.

As for Job, he talked with an Angel, God sent inspiration and succour to him. So, what do you call that?

Lukuluku69:
■Jonah and Job were not Jewish but your Bible have them as Prophets. Or your elders told you they were Israelites too? Keep repeating that old Jewish lies o, each passing day brings you closer to meeting your Lord and you will give account.
■As for Ishmael, he was a Prophet of God and after him no other Prophet came from his lineage until Prophet Muhammad
■that why Isaiah made mention of it that the Barren will have more than the married wife in reference to the Jewish Nation and Arab Nation in terms of followership and adherents.

1. Where do you get that Jonah was not an Israelite? Nineveh, were he was sent to

2. This claim regarding Ishmael is not corroborated by any of that stated in scripture. Ishmael was not born from the root which is Israel and so could not have been a prophet of the God of Israel to Israel.

3. Again, Isaiah 54 clearly speaks instead of God's Israel, particularly the city of Jerusalem which God indicates will be rebuilt in His time. There is no mention of followership of adherents but instead a gathering of the many children of Israel back to her.

Lukuluku69:


Allah does what He wills. Just like Jehovah made the children of the barren and desolate more than the married. Check Isaiah 54 you will see it there.

It is recorded albeit in undertones that Esau house had TWO in Jonah and Job. You can as well ask, why only TWO?

Person's of Faith don't ask why God did or say what He says, you just belief and follow. That is obidience.

Are you saying that Allah EXCLUDED Ismail's descendants from Prophethood
But along the line, Allah changed his mind?

Qur'an29:27
And We gave to Him Isaac and Jacob and placed in his descendants prophethood and scripture. And We gave him his reward in this world, and indeed, he is in the Hereafter among the righteous.

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks!

So are they now at peace with one another despite embracing your religion of peace?

Lol

They are at peace with God's Commandments. His ways. That's the Peace.

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TenQ:

Are you saying that Allah EXCLUDED Ismail's descendants from Prophethood
But along the line, Allah changed his mind?

Qur'an29:27
And We gave to Him Isaac and Jacob and placed in his descendants prophethood and scripture. And We gave him his reward in this world, and indeed, he is in the Hereafter among the righteous.

Lol

Stop reading your meanings into stuff.

You call it exclusion but I say the Time has not come.

When Jesus said the Kingdom of God will be taken from you(Jews) was he changing God's mind too?

Every of Abraham's children were blessed with Prophethood but at different time and place but they were all blessed which is in accordance with the Quran. Ishmael, Isaac, the Six other Children from Keturah were all blessed. To let you know, Jethro housed and marry his daughter to Moses and he taught Moses how to judge among other things and the Israelites then accepted Jethro as equals (Read your Bible) Balaam was another one though the Israelites killed him for calling them out and labelled in a False one just like they did Jesus.

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks!
So they are at peace with a book but fighting and killing one another, shey?
Hmmm!

Yeah they are at Peace with God's Commandments. That is the most important of it ALL.

MaxInDHouse:


Guy, Jonah was an Israelite from Gathhepher! 2Kings 14:25
That region was part of the land Joshua shared for the descendants of Zebulun! Joshua 19:10-13
So Jonah was a descendant of Zebulun son of Israel!

Prophet is someone sent by God to deliver a message to a people with whom the messenger has no direct business!

If I call you out for this Clanger again, you will call it abuse.

They have really done a number on you in that place.

A Prophet can be sent to a Town, Village and even to a single person!

Lukuluku69:
■Another one! Lol Jonah was Edom. He preached in Ninveh. The Jews /Israelites in all there Waka about never dwell in Ninveh, never visited Ninveh and Ninveh was never one of the Land that Jehovah gave them to possess. So, Jonah couldn't have been Jewish or Israelite.
■Moses wrote that part as part of the Iraelites education spiritually. You can consult Jewish site and confirm or simply ask Google.
■As for Job, he talked with an Angel, God sent inspiration and succour to him. So, what do you call that?

1. I am afraid this is very wrong! Jonah was an Israelite prophet, and Nineveh was a city in the Land of Canaan— or its conquered states—, was it not? And that is the same land of Canaan that God gave to the Israelites, yes?

In the book of 1 and 2 Kings, we read of prophets of Israel who were sent out by God to install kings over many of the other nations located in the land of Canaan - Aram being one of them. Additionally, the prophet Nahum spoke a prophecy regarding Nineveh confirming that Nineveh existed under God's jurisdiction as a result of its connection to the people of Israel.

2. huh?

3. As for Job, well, it is written that Job lived in the land of Uz, but that doesn't mean he was of the blood of Edom(Esau).

Kobojunkie:
1. Where do you get that Jonah was not an Israelite? Nineveh, were he was sent to

2. This claim regarding Ishmael is not corroborated by any of that stated in scripture. Ishmael was not born from the root which is Israel and so could not have been a prophet of the God of Israel to Israel.

3. Again, Isaiah 54 clearly speaks instead of God's Israel, particularly the city of Jerusalem which God indicates will be rebuilt in His time. There is no mention of followership of adherents but instead a gathering of the many children of Israel back to her.

1. Ninveh was an Edomite settlement. Google it.

2. Isaiah 42/60 clearly fortold the happenings in that prophecy in "Villages that Kedar doth inhabited" besides Teman, Nebiaoths, were Ishmael's sons names. Why was Isaiah doing that while he was talking to Israelites? Think, think and think.

3. A lot of you Christians do have the misgivings about "Jerusalem" yet Paul told you clearly that THERE ARE TWO JERUSALEMS! ONE FOR HAGAR AND ONE FOR SARAI. We all know where Sarai own is, where is Hagar's?

Lukuluku69:


You are reading too many meaningless stuff into this and it is already bordering on irritation.

All Prophets were sent to their people except the LAST ONE.

So, Jonah was sent to the Jews?

Lukuluku69:

Ishmael was a Prophet among his people.

Who are the people of Ishmael?

Lukuluku69:

All Prophet from Isaac line including Isaac were sent to their people but they had more for their Nation was chosen as a model of things to come but they messed it up thru repeated backslidings. Jeremiah called them Aholah and Aholibah. TWO WHORING SISTERS in Judea and Samaria. As such, God rejected them and chooses another Nation.

Esau line had Jonah and Job sent to their people.

Why wouldn't you muddle up scriptural history?
You most likely don't know that Samaria is the capital of the northern kingdom of Israel and Judah is the capital of southern Israel! SMH! Jeremiah prophesied to the two kingdoms of Israel.
Jeremiah preached repentance!

If God rejected them, how come in the old testament God still sent several prophets to the Jews ?

Here is the list of prophets AFTER Jeremiah
Zephaniah
Huldah
Nahum
Habakkuk
Ezekiel
Daniel
Zerubbabel
Nehemiah
Haggai
Zechariah
Malachi

Can you see why Allah told Mohammed to consult with the people of the book!?


Half knowledge is destructive my dear!

Lukuluku69:

That Ishmeal was not accorded prophet hood by the Jews was simply because they knew from their scriptures that the Ensign of the whole people rest in his house.

To let you know this, aside Jews, all other ethnicity arising from Abraham Children all embrace Islam. The Midian, the Kedar, Tema, Joshtan,Nebioths all excepts the stiffnecks: the News.

So, if all Americans become gay, it proves that they are right!?
SMH!

I wish you had found an evidence for your argument from the Qur'an but it seems you have none. Therefore, I'll digress a very little bit on the questions.

Jonah is a Jew and a prophet!


1. Do you absolutely believe that Mohammed is the prophet from the descendant of Ishmael!
2. Do you also believe that Ismail and Abraham are both prophets who built the Kaaba at Mecca?

Kobojunkie:
1. Where do you get that Jonah was not an Israelite? Nineveh, were he was sent to

2. This claim regarding Ishmael is not corroborated by any of that stated in scripture. Ishmael was not born from the root which is Israel and so could not have been a prophet of the God of Israel to Israel.

3. Again, Isaiah 54 clearly speaks instead of God's Israel, particularly the city of Jerusalem which God indicates will be rebuilt in His time. There is no mention of followership of adherents but instead a gathering of the many children of Israel back to her.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineveh

Edify yourself with learning not the Sunday school hogwash.

Ova, dey try think sometimes. It is free

Lukuluku69:
1. Ninveh was an Edomite settlement. Google it.
2. Isaiah 42/60 clearly fortold the happenings in that prophecy in "Villages that Kedar doth inhabited" besides Teman, Nebiaoths, were Ishmael's sons names. Why was Isaiah doing that while he was talking to Israelites? Think, think and think.
3. A lot of you Christians do have the misgivings about "Jerusalem" yet Paul told you clearly that THERE ARE TWO JERUSALEMS! ONE FOR HAGAR AND ONE FOR SARAI. We all know where Sarai own is, where is Hagar's?

1. It doesn't matter whether it was Edomite or not, as what matters is instead it's location. There were many foreigners living in the Land of Canaan which was given by God to the people of Israel meaning there were other nations located within those borders.

2. None of those verses say any of what you claim. As I already mentioned, even the nations of Egypt, Greece, Babylon, etc., were also mentioned in prophecies but that in no way meant God of Israel had overhauled His agreement with Israel to include them under His covenant.

3. Paul is not the God of Israel or of Christians so I am not certain where you get off thinking that Paul can add/ or change God's very own Law on your behalf in this. Paul's opinions are just that, Paul's opinions and views. And by the way, Paul's analogy regarding two Jerusalems rings nothing like what you have there. There is only one Jerusalem and it is God's Holy city where He will rule the entire world from His Holy Mountain.

Lukuluku69:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineveh Edify yourself with learning not the Sunday school hogwash. Ova, dey try think sometimes. It is free

And?

TenQ:

So, Jonah was sent to the Jews?


Who are the people of Ishmael?



Why wouldn't you muddle up scriptural history?
You most likely don't know that Samaria is the capital of the northern kingdom of Israel and Judah is the capital of southern Israel! SMH! Jeremiah prophesied to the two kingdoms of Israel.
Jeremiah preached repentance!

If God rejected them, how come in the old testament God still sent several prophets to the Jews ?

Here is the list of prophets AFTER Jeremiah
Zephaniah
Huldah
Nahum
Habakkuk
Ezekiel
Daniel
Zerubbabel
Nehemiah
Haggai
Zechariah
Malachi

Can you see why Allah told Mohammed to consult with the people of the book!?


Half knowledge is destructive my dear!


So, if all Americans become gay, it proves that they are right!?
SMH!

I wish you had found an evidence for your argument from the Qur'an but it seems you have none. Therefore, I'll digress a very little bit on the questions.

Jonah is a Jew and a prophet!


1. Do you absolutely believe that Mohammed is the prophet from the descendant of Ishmael!
2. Do you also believe that Ismail and Abraham are both prophets who built the Kaaba at Mecca?

Jonah was Edom. He never preached amongst Jews.

I can quote from the Quran but you don't believe in it contents that's why I use your Bible to appeal to you.

The Quran called Ishmael a Prophet, do you believe that? So, why should I quote what you don't believe in? Does that make sense to you?

Your last Two question doesn't make any sense considering the fact that you are in a Convo with a Muslim!

As for Ninveh, read what Wiki has to say below.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineveh

Kobojunkie:
And?

Are you done reading?

That piece was put together by Non-Muslims and backed by the cold hard fact of history.

The choice before you is to either continue with the Sunday School hogwash or take correction and subscribe to genuine knowledge and not contorted stuff.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineveh

Lukuluku69:
1. Are you done reading? That piece was put together by Non-Muslims and backed by the cold hard fact of history. The choice before you is to either continue with the Sunday School hogwash or take correction and subscribe to genuine knowledge and not contorted stuff.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineveh

Are you following at all? The question again is was Nineveh located in the Land of Canaan— or one of the conquered states of Isreal—, yes or no?

That link you keep posting does not answer for you that question.

Lukuluku69:
■ Jonah was Edom. He never preached amongst Jews.
■ I can quote from the Quran but you don't believe in it contents that's why I use your Bible to appeal to you. The Quran called Ishmael a Prophet, do you believe that? So, why should I quote what you don't believe in? Does that make sense to you?

1. Again, Johah, like the prophet Nahum, was an Israelite.

23 King Jeroboam son of Jehoash of Israel began to rule in Samaria during the 15th year that Amaziah son of Joash was king of Judah. Jeroboam ruled 41 years.
24 Jeroboam did what the Lord said was wrong. He did not stop committing the sins of Jeroboam son of Nebat who caused Israel to sin.
25 Jeroboam took back Israel’s land, which ran from the Lebo Hamath to the Arabah Sea. This happened as the Lord of Israel had told his servant Jonah son of Amittai, the prophet from Gath Hepher.
26 The Lord saw that all the Israelites, both slaves and free men, had many troubles. No one was left who could help Israel.
27 The Lord did not say that he would take away the name of Israel from the world. So he used Jeroboam son of Jehoash to save the Israelites. - 2 Kings 14 vs 23 - 27

2. Scripture gave Ishmael no such authority.

Lukuluku69:


Lol

Stop reading your meanings into stuff.

You call it exclusion but I say the Time has not come.

When Jesus said the Kingdom of God will be taken from you(Jews) was he changing God's mind too?

You think Islam is the kingdom of God!?
Islam leads to Hell fire

Qur'an 19:71
وَإِن مِّنكُمْ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَا ۚ كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتْمًا مَّقْضِيًّا

Just show me a single prophet of God that is one tenth as vile as Mohammed?

Jesus was speaking about the Gentiles who are not related to Abraham!
You should have read the parable of Jesus that led to the statement rather than fabricating what is not there
Mark 21:33-44

Lukuluku69:

Every of Abraham's children were blessed with Prophethood but at different time and place but they were all blessed which is in accordance with the Quran. Ishmael, Isaac, the Six other Children from Keturah were all blessed. To let you know, Jethro housed and marry his daughter to Moses and he taught Moses how to judge among other things and the Israelites then accepted Jethro as equals (Read your Bible) Balaam was another one though the Israelites killed him for calling them out and labelled in a False one just like they did Jesus.

Blessing and Prophethood are different things.
1. It is your Qur'an that limits Prophethood to the descendants of Isaac and Jacob not the Bible except you are willing to concede that Qur'an29:27 is a fabrication.

2. What is the name of the books given to the prophet's of Islam other than the Torah, Zabur and Injeel?

3. The Qur'an is a CLEAR book, easy to understand YET Allah sent a verse that EXCLUDED the descendants of Ishmael while speaking to Mohammed .

It doesn't make any sense!

Kobojunkie:
1. It doesn't matter whether it was Edomite or not, as what matters is instead it's location. There were many foreigners living in the Land of Canaan which was given by God to the people of Israel meaning there were other nations located within those borders.

2. None of those verses say any of what you claim. As I already mentioned, even the nations of Egypt, Greece, Babylon, etc., were also mentioned in prophecies but that in no way meant God of Israel had overhauled His agreement with Israel to include them under His covenant.

3. Paul is not the God of Israel or of Christians so I am not certain where you get off thinking that Paul can add/ or change God's very own Law on your behalf in this. Paul's opinions are just that, Paul's opinions and views. And by the way, Paul's analogy regarding two Jerusalems rings nothing like what you have there. There is only one Jerusalem and it is God's Holy city where He will rule the entire world from His Holy Mountain.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineveh

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As for Paul's take on TWO JERUSALEMS, don't you think the Holy Spirit committed a clanger for allowing the Son of. Hagar have a Jerusalem of his own whose TIME is yet to come when Paul wrote those words?