Ologbo147:
my brother I sincerely do not know how to do it because you have to add the reference to enable credibility

And the one there says citation needed that is there is no reference to back it up and I have a journal that says otherwise

The numbers I have on that journal is 25 % bigger than what is on wiki

The other four references are for other stuffs written about Bini, the reference for the population the guy placed there is clearly lacking, that is why citation needed is there “jarchi

If you know how to and can help me change it please do,

Assessing Resident Satisfaction with Planning and Neighborhood facilities of Some Public Housing Estates in Benin city, Nigeria

Journal of Educational and Social Research

By Kingsley Okechukwu Dimuna
Department of Architecture
Ambrose Alli University
Ekpoma, Nigeria

And Abiodun Olukayodeh Olotuah
Department of Architecture
Federal University of Technology
Akure, Nigeria

Page 23.

It was stated that in the 2006 census, Benin city’s population was 1,346,703 but what is on Wikipedia is about 25% lesser than the actual population of Bini city in 2006 worst still with no source whatsoever.

This is a link where you can download the write up

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330876121_Assessing_Residents

lawani:


The L1 languages of Anioma are Igbo, Yoruba (Olukunmi) and Igala. There are no Edoid languages there at all.

Jarchi:




° Brodaman, May Pro Olotuah soul rest in perfect peace, a great lecturer.
If you want to edit the population, you need the registered body (cenus board) citation to do that, the population we have now is the perceived so I guess why the last census was adopted. It is editable though might be subject to review. I hope the new census is done sha °
***Jarchi***

lawani:


Are you educated at all?. I gave you academic proofs of things still existing today, what evidence more valid than that do you want?. I did not download anything from the internet. Ogotun, Agenebode, Ugbodumila and Onitsha are living things.

lawani:

Edo is restricted to Benin city. Edo was a provincial language of the empire, spoken in the suburbs of the capital in the past but now it is the language of Benin city but it was never the language of the Benin empire but the people that invited the Yoruba there were Edo and they renamed their capital to Ife Ibinu which later became Benin.

Stoplying:

So Wikipedia is the new way to do research on African history now ?
Is that what they teach in history classes ?
Year 1: Look up Wikipedia
Year 2: look up wikipedia
Year 3: look up wikipedia...
The way some Nigerians like you reason, is very childish, many of you are not smarter than 10 year olds in France.

Dude, when you make a claim, you need to provide evidence, in the case of history, evidence is in the form of eyewitness written document, not "Wikipedia claim".
If you believe so much in that Wikipedia claim, then you should prove it rather than tell your interlocutor to take it up with Wikipedia.
You should use your own time to go through the Wikipedia references and get the eye witness written docs if they do exist. But instead of you wasting your time doing that, let me inform you that Wikipedia references are just books, not actual proofs, just books in which someone makes a claim, and you get to use that as back up to post the claim on Wikipedia.
To make things short, Wikipedia is horrible on African history. The Yorubas have a Wikipedia community which has basically taken over everything related to Benin kingdom on Wikipedia.

° [b]Brodaman, if you no get sense don't quote me, please. I don't care about Una arguement. Is it this hard to read?
You claim something is wrong but your source is what, YOURS same as mine is MINE
Eyewitness like say you see am
Both sources would be faulty as its bias.
I'm only bringing the known evidence to the table, that's why I'm saying they should make effort to edit and make us know the right.

Jarchi:


Or na eyewitness or thesis research I go do if my pikin ask me about Hausa history no be same trusted site I go find

So bring up a post on wiki that's false or hoax?

Ologbo147:
The figures in that journal is that of 2006 census, at the tale end of that journal material, there is a reference which state that the national census population board of Benin city was consulted.

The one on Wikipedia was placed there with no source whatsoever, and the person claimed it is the 2006 census, where there is no article to back up that claim. It seem like you did not check the journal. Go and check it, download it, . Page 23 and see for yourself , Thank God the person who wrote it is reputable and you seem to know the person

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330876121_Assessing_Residents

Jarchi:





° Brodaman, that's why I'm saying you need to find the link or the source that prof quoted, the Benin census board to do that. That's a journal quoting, it is not in authority to certify that it is true only the body that conducted it can. You can try Nigeria Bureau of statistics if they can have the approx 2023 stats, but more of the links I have is for the whole Edo not Benin alone and that's the problem, our government needs to do more°
***Jarchi***

Stoplying:
Ok, I'm done, I've tried to be nice, eventhough I had to walk through insults. You yarri.ba obsession about us Edo is what will bring your doom.
I refrained from telling you your history because I know you hate to hear it, you find it offensive, that is why you keep trying to still Benin history. I told you to leave us alone and if you must make a fake history to feel better, then leave my people out of it, you didn't listen.

Here is true Yoruba history: (your ancestors were conquered slaves)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0f53aYJElw

° Brodaman, so if an Edo child or anybody in diaspora is told or wants to know the history, he goes on wiki, what does he believe? You just don't get my point, I don't care about your fight with others. I'm saying document it so the truth is known. Wiki has sources, I can't verify the sources on YouTube, you just don't get it. Will I put YouTube video for source material?? If yorubas are slaves, good for them but I must be able to give the source. They need to find respected men, the royal fathers need to document it. History is written not told. You as an Edo person can find ways to make the wiki right, if you really care°
***Jarchi***

Jarchi:

° Brodaman, so if an Edo child or anybody in diaspora is told or wants to know the history, he goes on wiki, what does he believe?

Stoplying:

Lazy man, it is your own claim ! You are the one supposed to provide evidence ! You Lazy 🦥

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0f53aYJElw

Jarchi:

Wiki has sources, I can't verify the sources on YouTube, you just don't get it. Will I put YouTube video for source material??

Jarchi:

° Brodaman, What is this one saying, I provided wiki that has sources and references you brought out video of another topic, you go school like this?
Don't quote me again abeg, I'm not for or against, find the guys you were arguing with.
I don't have time for people that don't have sense °
***Jarchi***

Stoplying:

1) Greek empire
2) Roman empire
3) ottoman empire
4) Persian empire
5) Ethiopian empire
6) kingdom of France (until school became compulsory and a unique language policy was imposed)

For a country to have one single language, it needs to have a school system where they teach that language to people and especially to the kids.

First of all, you guys use the expression "Lingua Franca" badly, it is because you keep thinking you can just copy European history and claim the same thing happened in Africa. European nobles had a common language because they started intermarrying at a certain period of time, and it is that common language which they call "Lingua Franca" and it was French ! But guess what, those guys were all related, they were cousins: the king of Russia was a cousin of the king of England and the king of Germany was also one of their relatives before ww1.

Stoplying:

So basically, you are intellectually lazy, too lazy to do proper research, therefore Wikipedia is right. That is your argument 😂
And I guess, I am wrong to actually do proper research, and to look for eyewitness written documents, since a 15 year old Yoruba kid who moderates on Wikipedia has already decided history for me.

I curse the fact the British put us together.
After I gave all the explanation, all you do now is to claim that eyewitness written documents is a notion which doesn't exist and Wikipedia is right because it is Wikipedia, and you don't have to do the work to know history, you can be lazy, therefore wiki is right since it allows you to be lazy... Madman logics.

lawani:


But there is no way a country can be run without a principal language of business. Nigeria has many languages and is multilingual but English is the lingua franca for state.

Stoplying:
Ok, I'm done, I've tried to be nice, eventhough I had to walk through insults. You yarri.ba obsession about us Edo is what will bring your doom.
I refrained from telling you your history because I know you hate to hear it, you find it offensive, that is why you keep trying to still Benin history. I told you to leave us alone and if you must make a fake history to feel better, then leave my people out of it, you didn't listen.

Here is true Yoruba history: (your ancestors were conquered slaves)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0f53aYJElw

lawani:


But if the British did not put you together you would be under Ibadan. It was Ogedengbe of Ijesa that collected the last tribute from Benin

lawani:


Nobody wants to rule your land. That era is over.

Stoplying:

The delusion of Yoruba, now you want to also tell Anioma its history ?
What is it with you people's arrogance that you so much believe you know everybody's history ?
The other day, the Oni of Ife was trying to tell Igbo their history and to claim they are Yoruba. It is a trend with you guys, you believe you know everybody better than they know themselves.
1) Anioma themselves claim they migrated from Benin city.
2) Also in precolonial maps Anioma are part of Benin kingdom/empire.
3)And all Anioma monarchs have a traditional attire which is very similar to that of the Oba of Benin.
4) In the 1930's, the Obi of Agbor (hereditary monarchy) was called Gbenoba (as in Igbinoba).
5) some prominent Benin city families are Anioma: Obaseki

Stoplying:

Still no evidence!
Benin empire which was known for warfare, you believe a subject of the baale of Ibadan was about to take over Benin empire 🤣
Lawani, we have talked before, many years ago, you have not changed, you are still dvmb and f**lish
Even the British describe Benin as a kingdom which terrifies its neighbours!

Stoplying:
Shvt up, you are a f**l.

Ologbo147:
you did not give any academic proofs, the interpretation you gave for Agenebode and Ughoton, as I said before, are clearly out of place, worst still, you have no lettered proof to back up your interpretations

you can give several interpretations to a word you feel you know in another persons tribe. I gave an example of Osadebe- Igbo, Osadebawmen-Bini which many persons thought were similar before now.

it is left for the tribal people to say if it is correct or not, Ughoton and Agenobode do not speak Yoruba, and those interpretations you have are not in tune with reality.

Ugbodumila is clearly Yoruba, and they have tales of migrations from Owo.

Redbonesmith has clearly debunked the Yoruba meaning you guys gave to Onitsha before now.

Esan and Bini are both dialects of the same language, Edo was not restricted to Benin city now, Ughoton you gave a meaning not in tandem with reality is a Bini settlement. And is not in anyway close to the capital, even till date, it has still not been eaten by the capital, there are some settlements that speak Bini that are farther from Bini more than Akure is to Ado Ekiti, Edo or Bini is a full tribe, with hundreds of towns and villages aside Benin city. Worthy mention of them is Udo that is 30 miles away from the city, Ugo -82 kilometers away from the city, Urhonigbe- 120 kilometers away from the city and they are all Bini speaking settlements

Agenebode is an Etsako settlement. You have to ask the Etsako people the meaning of Agenebode and not assume the meaning.

It has always been the language of the capital and other Bini settlements in the Capital , if not how else would the Itsekiri monarch that migrated from the city and even the royal palace get the name Ogiame- a trademark Bini title in the Edoid which directly translates to King over the riverine areas

lawani:


It was actually from an article in the papers written by a Benin elder that I knew the meaning of Agenebode. He explained that it means Ago onibode meaning outpost of the sentry and that is the name given by Yoruba people though it is not a Yoruba town. It is just like Ago Iwoye and other Ago like that. The same is true for Ughotoun which is just a wrong spelling of Ogotun which is a town in Ekiti. Ogotun is the mythical city of Olodumare which is why Olodumare is called Agotun. I did not give any Yoruba meaning to Onitsha but Onitsha people themselves say they came from Benin and Dr Emeagwali said decades ago when an old Onitsha man spoke the language of the ancestors, no one present could understand. What other language can it be more than a Yoruba dialect since a few miles away Ugbodumila still speak pure Yoruba. Those are my points.

lawani:


But there is no way a country can be run without a principal language of business. Nigeria has many languages and is multilingual but English is the lingua franca for state. In the Hellenistic world, it was Greek and everybody learnt it, for Rome, it was Latin, for the Ottoman Turks, it was Arabic, for the Persian empire, they had their language, for the British empire it was English but Norman French was spoken in English courts and it had a lot of influence on modern English. I daresay the British empire might have been French speaking if not that the British and not their government built the empire themselves with corporations but till today members of the House of Windsor learn French at home and English is most influenced by Norman French because of that. They share almost identical vocabulary. The Sokoto caliphate spoke Hausa, the Oyo spoke Yoruba. The Benin, Ijesa, Ijebu spoke their dialects of Yoruba which was mutually intelligible. Benin Yoruba is like Owo or Itsekiri, Ilaje etc. In the Benin empire, the capital spoke Yoruba and all the major towns but there were non Yoruba speaking enclaves that were tributaries but it appears they were loosely attached. The Dahomey people who were part of Oyo speak Yoruba till today along with Fon and French. European nobles never had a common language. Where are you reading your history from?. What is correct is that some of them were multilingual due to intermarriages. England has had a King that spoke only German originally but he was a descendant of the house of Windsor. If you say franca means french does franchise mean French too?. It may be so but it does not mean all European nobles spoke French. English nobles spoke French only because William the Norman spoke only French and he was a French man and founder of the house of Windsor. Not all European nobility were founded from France and even William the Norman was French of Viking descent. Once again there is no country where multiple languages are spoken as language of the capital or of business. There is always a language that high ranking people must understand and for the Benin empire, it was Yoruba. You don't need to have a school system to have an official language. Official language is language of courts, tax collectors, soldiers and etc, other people will be left alone so far they remain compliant with taxes. People then in the Benin suburbs were left alone, however they are the actual owners of the land of the capital but they were not the ones that built the empire and the Ogba, Ikwerre, Onitsha and etc people descend in the main from the Yoruba speaking Benin capital though obviously some people from the suburbs would be moving with them but communication with headquarters will be in Yoruba. I have read Portuguese accounts of Yoruba prayers to Imale okun in the Benin capital. It was rendered Mo be o, mo be o, umale okun, mo be o...I beseech you umale okun...while pouring offering on the ground. Is that Edo language?. If it is, it is also everyday Yoruba etc etc

Stoplying:

Ologbo147:
is the word Ogiame Yoruba, that is the title of the Itsekiri monarch, if the city and even the palace that sent him out did not speak Bini or Edo, how then did he come up with such titles . The Oba and the city people has always in time past spoke undiluted sweet Bini


Please I would relish those Portuguese accounts if you still have access to them