SIRTee15:


Don't quote me unless I mention u.
I won't reply u.

SIRTee15:


Don't quote me unless I mention u.
I won't reply u.

SIRTee15:

Now I will cure your eyes of the deception uve been fed with. The cure of your heart is left to u.
However, u will do well to go thru this present post because I will not repeat myself.
If u raise a point already answered- which will definitely happen because it's all about Christianity in the first century, I will simply refer u to my previous answer.

SIRTee15:


Nonsense as usual.
However let me focus on the other guy

MindHacker9009:


You have now run out your steam of your deception and it's your eyes that needs to be cured of your own deception.

The help you cure your eyes of deception let us start with the first Jewish historian Christians quote and you have also quoted as a historical reference to the existence of Jesus Christ in the 1st century.

This Jesus son of Shaphat around the same time as Jesus Christ mentioned by the Jewish first century hostorian Flavius Josephus, who caused the Jews to flee to the camp of the Romans, why is this major event not in the New Testament?

"But before he could speak to them, the most warlike of the
insurgents made a sally upon them with their arms ; their leader
was one whose name was Jesus, the son of Shaphat, the captain
of a band of robbers." - The Jewish War 1st Century
"Jesus and his men led off to the city, and rejoiced as if
they had taken them in battle and not by surprise.
Now the elders of the people, and such as seemed
of principal authority among them, fearing what would be
the issue of the matter, fled to the camp of the Romans :
and taking their king mth them, fell down before Vespa-
sian as suppliants, and besought him not to despise
them, nor to impute the madness of a few to the whole
city, but to spare a people that had ever been friendly to
the Romans, and to bring the authors of this revolt to
punishment, who had hitherto so watched them, that
though they had long been anxious to give the Romans the
security of their right hands, they had not yet found an
opportunity to do so." - The Jewish war 1st Century
Sources: https://ia800309.us.archive.org/17/items/cu31924074297205/cu31924074297205.pdf

MindHacker9009:


You have now run out your steam of your deception and it's your eyes that needs to be cured of your own deception.

The help you cure your eyes of deception let us start with the first Jewish historian Christians quote and you have also quoted as a historical reference to the existence of Jesus Christ in the 1st century.

This Jesus son of Shaphat around the same time as Jesus Christ mentioned by the Jewish first century hostorian Flavius Josephus, who caused the Jews to flee to the camp of the Romans, why is this major event not in the New Testament?


Sources: https://ia800309.us.archive.org/17/items/cu31924074297205/cu31924074297205.pdf

SIRTee15:


So many flaws in your argument.
Jesus of shaphat couldn't have been a contemporary of Jesus Christ if he actually fought in the Jewish-roman war in 1st century. This war was btw 66AD to 70 AD. This was more than 30 yrs after the life of Jesus Christ.

Vespusian wasn't in Judea during the time of jesus Christ. He was in Rome during the ministry of Jesus.
He was drafted to Judea from North Africa to crush the Jewish revolt in 66 AD.

If Jesus son of shaphat campaigned against vespesian in Judea, then he definitely wasn't a contemporary of Jesus.

This is what Josephus wrote about Jesus son of shaphat.

MindHacker9009:


You have now run out your steam of your deception and it's your eyes that needs to be cured of your own deception.

The help you cure your eyes of deception let us start with the first Jewish historian Christians quote and you have also quoted as a historical reference to the existence of Jesus Christ in the 1st century.

This Jesus son of Shaphat around the same time as Jesus Christ mentioned by the Jewish first century hostorian Flavius Josephus, who caused the Jews to flee to the camp of the Romans, why is this major event not in the New Testament?
." - The Jewish war 1st Century
Sources: https://ia800309.us.archive.org/17/items/cu31924074297205/cu31924074297205.pdf

SIRTee15:


Now atheist and anti Christians have the penchant of attributing anybody called Jesus in the 1st century to Jesus Christ.

Most of what we know of 1st century Jewish history came from Josephus writings.
Joesphus mentioned up to 20 characters named Jesus in his book. This include Jesus of Nazareth, Jesus son of damneus, Jesus son of Gamaliel, Jesus son of Thebouthi, your own Jesus son of shaphat.
Desperately searching for link btw these Jesus will serve u no purpose but makes u more confused because u will not be able to tie loose ends to bring a convincing evidence.

Now I will be talking about Jesus son of damneus next.

MindHacker9009:


You have now run out your steam of your deception and it's your eyes that needs to be cured of your own deception.

The help you cure your eyes of deception let us start with the first Jewish historian Christians quote and you have also quoted as a historical reference to the existence of Jesus Christ in the 1st century.

This Jesus son of Shaphat around the same time as Jesus Christ mentioned by the Jewish first century hostorian Flavius Josephus, who caused the Jews to flee to the camp of the Romans, why is this major event not in the New Testament?

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Sources: https://ia800309.us.archive.org/17/items/cu31924074297205/cu31924074297205.pdf

SIRTee15:


Jesus son of damneus was the high priest who replaced Ananus son of Ananus after the later was removed by herod aggripa 2.
Why was ananus removed?
because he ordered the execution of James the brother of Jesus of Nazareth (James the Just).
This occurred after a large number of Jews complained and petitioned the king.

So the question is how did the brother of an imaginary Jesus got executed by a well known historical public figure. Will u say ananus and James were also imaginary.

Mindhacker, over to u.

Maynman:

Who is the father of this James?

All copies we have of josephus is from master forger eusebius.

SIRTee15:


Are u suggesting this Judas is the father of James the just.
Your answer is in the bible.
Seriously u are too dull to engage in deep cerebral intellectual and thought provoking debates. All u do is run all over the place with shallow claims.

SIRTee15:


Are u suggesting this Judas is the father of James the just.
Your answer is in the bible.
Seriously u are too dull to engage in deep cerebral intellectual and thought provoking debates. All u do is run all over the place with shallow claims.

Maynman:

I am saying, judas of Galilee is the father of james and simon, mehannam is his grandson.
Josephus was talking about Judas of Galilee not your Iesus chrestus.

The early church fathers use josephus work to write and edit the New Testament. They quoted it regularly.

Iesus chrestus doesn’t exist!

SIRTee15:


If Judas of Galilee is not related related to James the just, then I don't understand his relevance here.
Why did u bring him here.

Maynman:

Who is the father of this James?

All copies we have of josephus is from master forger eusebius.

SIRTee15:

Maynman:

I didn’t bring any “james the just” in.

In the josephus book, james and simon are sons of judas of Galilee, your “james the just” is a concept created in the New Testament.

Maynman:

Who is the father of James in the josephus book 😂

All the copies we have of this book is from Eusebius, some parts of these books has been confirmed to be altered, by who? For what?

SIRTee15:


Why did Josephus mentioned James the just in the antiquities of the jews

SIRTee15:


Which James are u blabbering about.

Maynman:

He never mentioned james the just.

Josephus is writing about the intrigue and betrayals surrounding the accession to the High Priesthood, with one called Jesus, son of Damneus, eventually becoming the successful contender. In the middle of this chapter we learn that Ananus took advantage of the absence of the Roman Procurator to execute James, brother of Jesus. Except for the words “the one called Christ”, a reference to Jesus Christ just does not make sense here. Moreover, the book was written for Roman pagans, who would have been perplexed by a reference to “the one called Christ”, when they almost universally knew of no such Jesus called Christ and would not have understood the notion of a “Christ” (Messiah).

The words “the one called Christ” are probably not authentic, being a later Christian interpolation that added apparent historicity to the Christian narrative.

SIRTee15:



😂🤣😂😅

Which one should we believe...Christ mentioned here is referring to Jesus son of damneus or Christ was a later interpolation. Which one is your confused brain saying is true.

Which Jesus did Josephus say is Christ.

James who was killed by Ananais was called brother of jesus Christ and not son of Judas of Galilee. Even a child understand it.

Seriously, u reason like a 6 yr old child. Your intellectual depth is suspect.

SIRTee15:

......
Mindhacker, over to u.

SIRTee15:

Jesus son of damneus was the high priest who replaced Ananus son of Ananus after the later was removed by herod aggripa 2.
Why was ananus removed?
because he ordered the execution of James the brother of Jesus of Nazareth (James the Just).
This occurred after a large number of Jews complained and petitioned the king.

So the question is how did the brother of an imaginary Jesus got executed by a well known historical public figure. Will u say ananus and James were also imaginary.

Mindhacker, over to u.

SIRTee15:

Now atheist and anti Christians have the penchant of attributing anybody called Jesus in the 1st century to Jesus Christ.

Most of what we know of 1st century Jewish history came from Josephus writings.
Joesphus mentioned up to 20 characters named Jesus in his book. This include Jesus of Nazareth, Jesus son of damneus, Jesus son of Gamaliel, Jesus son of Thebouthi, your own Jesus son of shaphat.
Desperately searching for link btw these Jesus will serve u no purpose but makes u more confused because u will not be able to tie loose ends to bring a convincing evidence.

Now I will be talking about Jesus son of damneus next.

SIRTee15:

U mentioned why the NT made no mention of the Jewish first century war.
By now the answer is clear.
The New testaments events occurred prior to the jewish-roman war.
Jesus and Paul's ministry all occured btw 30- 60AD. The war started 66 AD.

The acts of apostles mentioned the last king of the Judea province king Herod Agrippa 2 who was actually the one reigning when the war broke out in 66AD.

As at the time he was talking to Paul in acts 26 which was around 60AD, the war was yet to begin.
The same reason the 2nd temple destruction wasn't mentioned in the NT. It occured in 70 AD.

SIRTee15:

So many flaws in your argument.
Jesus of shaphat couldn't have been a contemporary of Jesus Christ if he actually fought in the Jewish-roman war in 1st century. This war was btw 66AD to 70 AD. This was more than 30 yrs after the life of Jesus Christ.

Vespusian wasn't in Judea during the time of jesus Christ. He was in Rome during the ministry of Jesus.
He was drafted to Judea from North Africa to crush the Jewish revolt in 66 AD.

If Jesus son of shaphat campaigned against vespesian in Judea, then he definitely wasn't a contemporary of Jesus.

This is what Josephus wrote about Jesus son of shaphat.

MindHacker9009:


Lets just open it all up here once and for all.

1
The Antiquities of the Jews, Latin Antiquitates Judaicae, an account of Jewish history from its early beginnings to the revolt against Rome in ad 66, written in Greek in about ad 93 by Flavius Josephus, a general in the Jewish army who defected to Rome. His writings are not always accepted as totally reliable.
Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Antiquities-of-the-Jews

SIRTee15:


Christian and non-Christian – is that the passage that mentions Jesus Christ in its Greek form was altered by a Christian scribe at some point in antiquity, as Josephus, a Jew, would not have said, “He was the Christ.”
While this passage may have been altered

MindHacker9009:


Lets just open it all up here once and for all.


The Antiquities of the Jews, Latin Antiquitates Judaicae, an account of Jewish history from its early beginnings to the revolt against Rome in ad 66, written in Greek in about ad 93 by Flavius Josephus, a general in the Jewish army who defected to Rome. His writings are not always accepted as totally reliable.
Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Antiquities-of-the-Jews

SIRTee15:


Actually the biggest evidence of Jesus in Josephus report is not the account of Jesus himself which has been bugged with controversy and scholarly dispute for years.
But the account Josephus gave about Jesus brother, James is the stronger validation of Jesus.
Virtually all scholars agreed that it was an authentic source and not an interpolation.
If we accept the scholars report, then either Jesus Christ is a true historical figure or Josephus made it up.
And this brings us to the apostolic fathers, and other non biblical historicity of Jesus outside of antiquity of the Jews by Josephus.

Infact, Josephus report isn't the earliest historicity of Jesus that we have.

Maynman:

Josephus was writing about judas of Galilee and his family, the James and simon that was killed were his sons.
Get knowledge of the whole book not just a part to understand the book, josephus was writing about a violent group.
James and Simons were Zealots, more specific they are sicarii.

Maynman:

Josephus was writing about judas of Galilee and his family, the James and simon that was killed were his sons.
Get knowledge of the whole book not just a part to understand the book, josephus was writing about a violent group.
James and Simons were Zealots, more specific they are sicarii.

SIRTee15:


When u see the truth and denies it by creating an alternate delusion. Then u crossing over to the psychotic world.
Here's what Josephus wrote about Judas of Galilee and his sons.