Dtruthspeaker:


Would anyone ask your child to pay a debt?

No!

Debts are paid only by adults.

You are mixing up God's standard of purity with Judgment of guilt.

And a judgment of Guilt always follows culpability and no child can be held culpable.

So, as Christ would say, if evil us have never held a child criminally responsible up to even recognizing that God made a law that a child under 7 is not criminally responsible, how then can Good God do such an injustice?

Kobojunkie:
1. The Law of Moses which you say defines sin applies only to those who are of the tree that is Abraham AND Isaac AND Jacob --- the Purification ritual also applied to them alone -- so, how did you come about including even those who are not of that very tree at all?

□ How can a person be born into sin when the person was not even born under the Law that defines said sin for only descended from Abraham AND Isaac AND Jacob?.

2. God revoked that decree which He placed only on the children of Israel in Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 31. Go swore by His name that that judgement would no longer hold that instead the one who sin will die. So, what sin would a baby be judged for?

Also, you forgot to clearly indicate where exactly others who sin ---those who never got born again -- end up.

FRANELCLINIC:

Why do you think God commanded in Ezekiel 9:5, 6 that everyone should be killed, including the ‘little children’?

FRANELCLINIC:


Did God make any law about a child under 7 not being responsible? I find nothing to that conclusion anywhere in the Bible, except that one begomes responsible as soon as he knows how to do what is right.—James 4:17;
Proverbs 20:11 says something similar too.

FRANELCLINIC:

However, to reply your post, why do you think God commanded in Ezekiel 9:5, 6 that everyone should be killed, including the ‘little children’?

CoronaVirusPro:


Oh! So all are going to hell?

Sigh…..

Which baked god do you people serve? A baby going to hell cos he/she never accepted Christ?

Sigh….

Dtruthspeaker:


Aren't they going to join the other deaders to get up from the grave?

FRANELCLINIC:
Let us remember these:

(1) God was going to kill Moses' child because he wasn't circumcised. It was when Zipporah hurriedly circumcised him that God's anger was tempered.

(2) A woman who had just given birth to a baby was to observe a period of uncleanness, and to give a sin offering.



Really, no one is innocent in God's eyes. Children has sin imputed into them as a condition they were born into.
Imagine that I destroyed something very antique and probably one of the last remaining of its kinds, plunging my entire household into debt and servitude to the government—until an exact replica of what was damaged can be found and put in place of the original.
Any child born to me will automatically be born into servitude and debt, through no fault of their own though. Much the same way that some diseases are caused by genetic defects, and are passed down filial generations.

It is the same way. Every baby is an offspring of Adam and as such is a born into the condition of sin.

If a child dies before he is able to know right from wrong, what God will do is that he will view the child through the lens of the parents’ righteous/unrighteous condition. After all, all things being equal, every child is born with some personality traits inherited from each parent, and so it is prefectly reasonable to conclude that, all things being equal, a child will be like his parents not only in appearance but also in behavior.

Remember the judgment passed down in Ezekiel 9:5, 6, where Jehovah told his executioners that they should destroy every one in that bloodguilty city, including “little child.”

YorubaDemonswag:


If this how your God truly think, I can say it categorically that he's monster

Dtruthspeaker:


And nature shows us when a child becomes responsible which is tagged around age 7, hence why every nation has section 30 in their fake laws called constitution/statute.



That is why I said you are mixing up God's standard of purity with Judgment of guilt.

You already know all who die are going to wake up to find themselves in God's High Court for their Trial.

So, the question is shall God's Prosecutors lay a charge on a baby or child saying like "that you, named Nia, on the 12th day of your march 200 BC did break one toy car property belonging to your neighbour, named Wai, thereby committing an offence of malicious damage to property, contrary to The Law"...?

I don't think so. A child though a sinner does not make the requirements and standard of sustaining a guilty judgment. Which is he lacks
Guilty Knowledge.

That was what God was keeping from Adam by prohibiting him from eating the fruit that give knowledge of guilt.

FRANELCLINIC:


It's interesting to hear your perspective on this issue.
Okay, now think of this: every child demonstrates selfishness, greed, and envy, leading them to sometimes beat up one another. Some might see these traits as cute, but in reality they are proof that everyone is born guilty of sin...

Aemmyjah:


We leave all that in Jehovah's hands

Dtruthspeaker:


By His Hand and Mouth He has told us that all deads will rise up to go to His Court for Trial, so we can safely take a look at what would happen in that Court on that day.

And even among us evil people, Children are not meant to be brought to court, thus, it is seeable that Holy and Just God would definitely not want little children to be in His Court.

Aemmyjah:

We leave all that in Jehovah's hands

Aemmyjah:


He will put babies on trial?

Dtruthspeaker:


That is what the thread is asking, what's your thought?

MaxInDHouse:


Obviously you don't like hurting the feelings of others even though they are not members of the house of faith.
Well this is what God's word said through it's study:

*During the days of Noah it was only Noah that was noticed out of all those on the surface of the earth and when it's time to destroy all those dwelling on the planet only Noah was saved along with his children.

*When God wanted to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah only Lot was noticed and so Lot along with his children were spared.

*When the angel of death killed all the firstborn in Egypt only the Israelites along with their children were saved.

*When God destroyed Jericho only Rahab along with her family was spared.

*When God ordered the destruction of Amalek all those living their along with all their babies were asked to be destroyed.

God's word said about believers:
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified in relation to his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified in relation to the brother; otherwise, your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 1Corinthians 7:14

So my brother the only children that will be remembered during resurrection are those born to God's servants and that's simply because God promised that He will remove all tears from our eyes therefore our children whom we have named and loved will be returned to us in the day of resurrection but as for evildoers all their memories including their children will be forgotten in the grave! Psalms 9:17

That's the bitter truth!

Aemmyjah:


https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/w20090415/Questions-From-Readers/

Dtruthspeaker:


This "Is there any hope of a resurrection for a baby that dies in its mother’s womb?" Is not the question.

But if you are telling me you stop here, then I understand.

But I do know that God does not waste, so those cannot be abandoned and by virtue of His Law, they souls that cannot be held guilty by Law since they are under the Cover of The Law of The Defence of Tender years by their lack of mens rea

MaxInDHouse:


Obviously you don't like hurting the feelings of others even though they are not members of the house of faith.
Well this is what God's word said through it's study:

*During the days of Noah it was only Noah that was noticed out of all those on the surface of the earth and when it's time to destroy all those dwelling on the planet only Noah was saved along with his children.

*When God wanted to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah only Lot was noticed and so Lot along with his children were spared.

*When the angel of death killed all the firstborn in Egypt only the Israelites along with their children were saved.

*When God destroyed Jericho only Rahab along with her family was spared.

*When God ordered the destruction of Amalek all those living their along with all their babies were asked to be destroyed.

God's word said about believers:
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified in relation to his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified in relation to the brother; otherwise, your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 1Corinthians 7:14

So my brother the only children that will be remembered during resurrection are those born to God's servants and that's simply because God promised that He will remove all tears from our eyes therefore our children whom we have named and loved will be returned to us in the day of resurrection but as for evildoers all their memories including their children will be forgotten in the grave! Psalms 9:17

That's the bitter truth!

Emusan:

"One line of thought" has been bursted again
Cc:
Achorladey

MaxInDHouse:
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MaxInDHouse:


That's what Jesus taught us, we must not sleep until the difference in our line of thought is resolved:

“Moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go and reveal his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, so that on the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter may be established. If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector" Matthew 18:15-17

as long as there is disagreement in thought regarding judgment then we aren't on the same page that's what will leads to disfellowship. 2John 10-11

Aemmyjah:


Don't mind that covetous guy for another man's wife

FRANELCLINIC:
■ Romans 5:12 tells us that sin entered into “the world” through one man. So, the whole world is implicated here, not just Israel.
■ Israel's case was special because the Law, with all its sacrifices and gift offerings, was specifically designed to reveal to them their hereditary sinfulness.
■ While other nations had no Law to reveal such to them, it doesn't make them any less born into sin. It simply means that they are NOT AWARE of their hereditary sinfulness.

12 Sin came into the world because of what one man did. And with sin came death. So this is why all people must die—because all people have sinned.
13 Sin was in the world before the Law of Moses. But God does not consider people guilty of sin if there is no law.
14 But from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, everyone had to die. Adam died because he sinned by not obeying God’s command. But even those who did not sin that same way had to die. That one man, Adam, can be compared to Christ, the one who was coming in the future. - Romans 5 vs 12 - 14

FRANELCLINIC:

■ God didn't revoke any decree. What he said in Ezekiel 18 was quite same thing he said in Deuteronomy 24:16, that a child should not suffer for his parent's sin. However, bringing punishment for ones errors to their generations is an integral part of who Jehovah is, and that is why when describing himself, his name, his very being, he said those words. (Exodus 34:5-7) However, as Exodus 20:5, 6 shows, God will only act this way if these descendants continue in the hateful ways of their forebears. But if they set a new record of faithfulness, they out their descendants in line to be shown mercy, provided they continue in the same path of faithfulness.
■ Compare what Jesus said in Matthew 23:31, 32: “therefore, you are testifying against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Well, then, fill up the measure of your forefathers.” Reading down to verse 36, we see that judgment for all the wickedness done by previous generations against God's prophets will come upon that generation because it was also a wicked generation. This is the same principle at play.

1 The word of the Lord came to me. He said,
2 “Why do you people say this proverb: ‘The parents ate the sour grapes, but the children got the sour taste’[a]?”
3 But the Lord God says, “By my life, I swear that people in Israel will not think this proverb is true anymore!
4 I will treat everyone, child and parent, just the same. The one who sins is the one who will die!
...
20 The one who sins is the one who will be put to death. A son will not be punished for his father’s sins, and a father will not be punished for his son’s sins. A good man’s goodness belongs to him alone, and a bad man’s evil belongs to him alone. -
Ezekiel 18 vs 1 -4

FRANELCLINIC:
■ As to where others go who sin, those who were never born again, I am deliberately not commenting on it because we do not believe the same concepts in this matter.
■ For example, I believe that the destiny of the dead is nonexistence. Only if God chooses to resurrect the individual, either because of the individual’s good record or because of God's own mercy, will they come back to life. If not, they will remain forever unconscious.

MaxInDHouse:
That's what Jesus taught us, we must not sleep until the difference in our line of thought is resolved:

as long as there is disagreement in thought regarding judgment then we aren't on the same page that's what will leads to disfellowship. 2John 10-11

FRANELCLINIC:
■ Recall that both Romans 3:23 and 5:12 speaks actively where it says that “all have sinned.” Seeing that even wrong thoughts is a sin against God (as seen in the 10th commandment God gave to Israel), children are not free from guilt.

1 Only fools think there is no God. People like that are evil and do terrible things. They never do what is right.
2 God looks down from heaven to see if there is anyone who is wise, anyone who looks to him for help.
3 But everyone has turned away from him. Everyone has become evil. No one does anything good. No, not one person!
4 Those who are evil treat my people like bread to be eaten. And they never ask for God’s help. Don’t they understand what they are doing? - Psalm 53 vs 1 - 3

achorladey:

You see how that nails your madness and insanities peddling on nairaland.

Your one line of thought you boast and brag about packed into lying and manipulated rains needs resolution and resolving


He didn't ask for your madness and insanities peddling explanation to remove your head from what we know don't exist in your midst