Efewestern:


The essence of having strength is that no-one can attack you unnecessary. There will be consequences. So when nations acquire deadly weapons, they do so to prevent calamity.

Iran won't dare attack Israel or any US ally without a strong justification. By justification I mean Israel firing missiles towards Iran. Which Israel won't dare do because Iran has the strength and capacity to return same quantity of destruction and even more.

What these two are doing is to target eachother outside their territories. Eg Israel striking Iran's assets in Syria or sponsoring sabotage within Iran. Iran using Lebanon proxies to strike Israel.

US with all its strength also won't strike Iran without strong justification. Iran too won't provoke US unnecessary in the middle east without a strong justification. Strength prevent further wars. If a nation is weak, they will be crushed. The leaders in Iran understands what the almighty US can do to them if they act recklessly, infact they thread with wisdom. There would have been a regime change in Iran if they hadn't amassed strength over the years. Infact, for the peace of the region, no-one wants a war with Iran. Strike assets in weak Syria and claim victory.

US regularly strikes Iran's assets in Syria and Iraq. Of course, they can hit Iran directly, but no one really wants the destruction of the entire middle east. So it's much easier to hit Iran's asset, generals etc when they step outside their secured zone into Iraq and Syria. Iran too attack US assets using their militias in those countries. That way, everyone claims victory and there won't be a total fallout of war.

This is the psychology of the human mind.

After the killing of Gen suleimani in Iraq the US president came out said if Iran dare attack any US facilities or institution they would by an all out war against Iran, two days later Iranians missiles hits a US army base in Iraq and the Americans didn't even sneeze.

SmartyPants:


It's always extremely difficult trying to reason with Nigerians. You are clearly ignorant and at the same time appear to have been indoctrinated in some way so of course you will argue over things that need no debate.

This is an Iranian site where Israeli incursions into Iran have been documented over the years:

https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2022/aug/11/timeline-israeli-attacks-iran

Excerpt:

Jan. 31, 2018: A Mossad team raided a warehouse in Tehran that housed a vast archive of Iran’s nuclear program. The agents used torches to cut through 32 safes. The team smuggled some 50,000 pages and 163 compact discs out of the country. On April 30, Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu announced that Israel obtained some 100,000 “secret files that prove” Iran had earlier lied about not having a nuclear weapons program. He also alleged that Tehran worked to “expand its nuclear weapons know-how for future use” even after the 2015 nuclear accord. Netanyahu presented maps, charts, photographs, and videos with details about Project Amad to design, produce and test nuclear weapons. Western intelligence had claimed for more than a decade that Iran had a covert nuclear weapons program.

It is a known fact that Israel has directly entered Iran several times. The Iranians themselves do not make any attempt to hide this. So one really wonders where you're getting your own info.

The claim that Israel acts on its own without US oversight is also one of the most laughable things I have heard in this year - young as the year itself may be, I have little hope of hearing more obvious nonsense. Israel receives billions of dollars in US aid and relies critically, on the assurance that the US will join in any war it finds itself in. Thus, they simply cannot start a war with their biggest rival, if their biggest supporter says no.

It's always extremely difficult trying to reason with Nigerians - distinguishing yourself from me or any other blacks don't make you intelligent, smart or special. To other race, you are still an inferior black man.

Now let's address your claims. The raid you cited was during the Nuclear deal in 2017/2018 when Israel wanted US to back out of the deal and continue with the sanctions. They were trying to prove Iran wasn't to be trusted. Benjamin Netanyahu had to even give a presentation about this. Many experts even had to verify the documents as it was so controversial at the time it was out. Eventually, US confirmed that the documents had a resemblance of the one they obtained from defectors. Now, things like this are not new and can't be deemed provocative. We see this with US intelligence gathering of Russia and others. This is different from sending your troops to a country or carrying out direct attacks. The former shows the strength and sophistication of your intelligence unit and the latter is bareface provocation.

If sophisticated intelligence gathering is same as direct attacks or provocations, then we can agree that most nuclear power nations have been attacked. You arguement is flawed and makes zero sense.

You are yet to prove any direct military strike by any nation in the country. Instead, you have been beating round the bush taking about sabotage, which we all know is a common thing in the country. what is the basis of this arguement again?

I discussed about sabotage and highlighted how it has been going on for years and you can't really prove anyone was responsible because of the manner in which they were carried. Most scientists in Iran are killed either with bombs placed inside the car or in-drive shootings.

At bolded, Israel has carried out several strikes without the support of US or any nation. If Iran is weak, they will strike and damn the consequences. Some of the time, they inform the US after the strike has been carried out.

You really need to read a lot more and have some sense too!

This is no necessary. You can do better.

mysticwarrior:
After the killing of Gen suleimani in Iraq the US president came out said if Iran dare attack any US facilities or institution they would by an all out war against Iran, two days later Iranians missiles hits a US army base in Iraq and the Americans didn't even sneeze.

Better response. Which country in the world apart from Russia could sieze us ships and us would not sneeze, Iran!

Efewestern:


It's always extremely difficult trying to reason with Nigerians - distinguishing yourself from me or any other blacks don't make you intelligent, smart or special. To other race, you are still an inferior black man.

Now let's address your claims. The raid you cited was during the Nuclear deal in 2017/2018 when Israel wanted US to back out of the deal and continue with the sanctions. They were trying to prove Iran wasn't to be trusted. Benjamin Netanyahu had to even give a presentation about this. Many experts even had to verify the documents as it was so controversial at the time it was out. Eventually, US confirmed that the documents had a resemblance of the one they obtained from defectors. Now, things like this are not new and can't be deemed provocative. We see this with US intelligence gathering of Russia and others. This is different from sending your troops to a country or carrying out direct attacks. The former shows the strength and sophistication of your intelligence unit and the latter is bareface provocation.

If sophisticated intelligence gathering is same as direct attacks or provocations, then we can agree that most nuclear power nations have been attacked. You arguement is flawed and makes zero sense.

You are yet to prove any direct military strike by any nation in the country. Instead, you have been beating round the bush taking about sabotage, which we all know is a common thing in the country. what is the basis of this arguement again?

I discussed about sabotage and highlighted how it has been going on for years and you can't really prove anyone was responsible because of the manner in which they were carried. Most scientists in Iran are killed either with bombs placed inside the car or in-drive shootings.

At bolded, Israel has carried out several strikes without the support of US or any nation. If Iran is weak, they will strike and damn the consequences. Some of the time, they inform the US after the strike has been carried out.


This is no necessary. You can do better.

I send you a link full if direct evidence and you're still rambling?

1. Be kind enough to share examples of when any western power has had a nuclear facility breached - for "sophisticated intelligence gathering" by a team of direct operatives of a opposing country. Lookingf forward to reading this.

2. List of direct, acknowledged Israeli hits within Iran:

Nov. 27, 2020: Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, a prominent nuclear scientist, was assassinated in a roadside attack about 40 miles east of Tehran. Western and Israeli intelligence had long suspected that Fakhrizadeh was the father of Iran’s covert nuclear weapons program. He was often compared to J. Robert Oppenheimer, the father of the American atomic bomb. He kept a low profile for most of his career. His name was not widely known even in Iran until he was sanctioned by the United Nations in 2007 and the United States in 2008.

Details on the attack varied. Iran’s defense ministry initially reported that several gunmen opened fire on Fakhrizadeh’s car, but Ali Shamkhani, the secretary of the Supreme National Security Council, later said that “electronic equipment” triggered by remote control killed the scientist.

Iran blamed the killing on Israel. Foreign Minister Javad Zarif condemned the killing as terrorism. “This cowardice—with serious indications of Israeli role—shows desperate warmongering of perpetrators,” he tweeted. On November 30, Israeli Intelligence Minister Eli Cohen told local radio that he did not know who was behind the raid. But a senior U.S. administration official told CNN that Israel was responsible.


June 23, 2021: An Israeli quadcopter drone, launched from inside Iran, struck a facility in Karaj for manufacturing centrifuges for the nuclear program. Satellite photos showed damage to the roof and suggested that a fire had broken out. Iran later blamed Israel for the attack.

Feb. 14, 2022: Six Israeli quadcopter drones reportedly destroyed hundreds of drones at a base near Kermanshah in western Iran.The base was Iran’s primary manufacturing and storage facility for military drones. Lebanese television station Al Mayadeen, which is linked to Hezbollah and Iran, claimed that the drones were launched from Iraqi Kurdistan. Iran blamed Israel for the attack.

April 30, 2022: The Israeli press reported that Mossad agents in Iran had earlier kidnapped and interrogated Mansour Rasouli, an agent of the IRGC Qods Force. In a confession aired on Israeli television, Rasouli admitted that he had been directed by the Qods Force to assassinate an Israeli diplomat in Turkey, an American general in Germany, and a Jewish journalist in France. He was reportedly released in Iran after the interrogation. On May 8, Iran International, a London-based television station, broadcast video footage of Rasouli claiming to have been tortured into providing a false confession.


There's more. Why are you deceiving yourself??

Without endorsing or supporting Iran. Isreal has been doing same numberless times from time immemorial .

Botragelad:
Let's all play dumb until the US or the Israelis give them a bollocking then you start to see protest everywhere.

I hope Iran can cope with what's in store for them!

Blazebond:
World war 3 is closer than we think and I am ready for it,no western power is going to brainwash Africa to stand by them again,we will stand on our own and choose whatever sides favours us and it would definitely not be America and her imperialist Allies, the world is changing and this recklessness of israel will forever haunt America and it's Allies.

I also have that feeling that WW3 or a part of it will start occuring.
Infact, it has started since 2001 by George Bush and his evil crew ( the war on terror and the rise of al-qaeda and Isis) .

This time, unlike how our fathers and grandpas fought in the European tribal wars, we will sit on the fence. I won't be brainwashed into fighting for the pale races again. Let them and their children do the fighting and dying.
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They don’t claim responsibility. You naïve keyboard fanatics know nothing about how international politics works. For example: the US knew and accused Russia of interfering in their election but the latter denies it.

Iykenuwa:



But Israel has carried out attacks in Iran several times including assassinations, let Iran retaliate in kind if e sure them.

I don't want to hear justice for IranI don't want to hear justice for Iran...

matify83:
I thought they will target Isreal directly instead of this soft target .

Israeli Nairaland Parrot, the game just started, keep on watching or wailing.

MySolace:

Keep quiet if u don't have anything to say.
It's like u have comprehension problem... , So na dis u get from wot he wrote??

He dey pain you abi?

niyilolawa34798:
I don't want to hear justice for IranI don't want to hear justice for Iran...

You aren't see nothing.

mysticwarrior:
After the killing of Gen suleimani in Iraq the US president came out said if Iran dare attack any US facilities or institution they would by an all out war against Iran, two days later Iranians missiles hits a US army base in Iraq and the Americans didn't even sneeze.

This is because their is not significant damage to US assets.... sometimes you don't respond with sledge hammer force if a weak person struck you with a feeble blow especially if you have sufficiently injured him before.

matify83:
I thought they will target Isreal directly instead of this soft target .

i was hoping Israel will target Iran directly instead of soft targets using Mosad

Botragelad:
Let's all play dumb until the US or the Israelis give them a bollocking then you start to see protest everywhere.

I hope Iran can cope with what's in store for them!

i hope we're learning and catching up to whats happening in Ukraine and how Israel is unable to stop hamas from firing simple rockets, lets not forget that Israel hostages are yet to be freed after 100days

Feldie:
who exactly is "you people"?
If Israel had the courage to actually fight hamas you think anyone would care? People condemning Israel are only doing so because Israel had killed close to 20k kids and women including even killing their own people who escaped from the Hamas terrorists group because they were afraid they could be hamas. Israel knows the tunnels where hamas are hiding but they dare not go in but instead chose to be killing children which is why everybody is against them. Russians followed Ukrainians into tunnels, why can't the Israelis follow Hamas into tunnels since they are so strong?

all the tunnels has been flushed weyrey, Hamas are hidden among schools, children, doctors, journalists they put on medical and aids workers uniform in the day and wear combat kits at night reason why if Israel kill them they will start counting Journalists killed. Hamas are cowards, woman and children killed are no innocent either, they were told to move yet they refused, they offered themselves as Hamas shield. They will definitely be killed. I'm sure if Nigerian people decided to defend themselves and clamp down on kidnappers and fulani herdsmen killing them tomorrow, people like you will still shout Genocide or ethnic cleansing. That's how people like you are.

LONEWOLFJOHN:
all the tunnels has been flushed weyrey, Hamas are hidden among schools, children, doctors, journalists they put on medical and aids workers uniform in the day and wear combat kits at night reason why if Israel kill them they will start counting Journalists killed. Hamas are cowards, woman and children killed are no innocent either, they were told to move yet they refused, they offered themselves as Hamas shield. They will definitely be killed. I'm sure if Nigerian people decided to defend themselves and clamp down on kidnappers and fulani herdsmen killing them tomorrow, people like you will still shout Genocide or ethnic cleansing. That's how people like you are.

so where are the hostages since the tunnels have been flushed? Israelis that are currently running from Gaza are whom you people keep hyping

Feldie:
so where are the hostages since the tunnels have been flushed? Israelis that are currently running from Gaza are whom you people keep hyping

Israel running from Gaza? As in you dey mad, wetin remain in Gaza, Gaza is completely ruined, only your fake news deceiving you

LONEWOLFJOHN:
Israel running from Gaza? As in you dey mad, wetin remain in Gaza, Gaza is completely ruined, only your fake news deceiving you

you are a very stupid guy most likely one of these kids talking anyhow with their Infinix phones.
Here are Israelis withdrawing from Gaza without freeing a single hostage after 3 months

Feldie:
you are a very stupid guy most likely one of these kids talking anyhow with their Infinix phones.
Here are Israelis withdrawing from Gaza without freeing a single hostage after 3 months

Edited fake news believe by mad fellow, weyrey

Blazebond:
World war 3 is closer than we think and I am ready for it,no western power is going to brainwash Africa to stand by them again,we will stand on our own and choose whatever sides favours us and it would definitely not be America and her imperialist Allies, the world is changing and this recklessness of israel will forever haunt America and it's Allies.

Speak for urself oga.. I stand with the west.. I am for no terrorist or dictator.. Speak for urself

NOETHNICITY:
You people are so ignorant that you are unable to keep track of the actual initiators of hostilities.

Similar way you accuse Hamas of being the first to attack Isreal (Oct 7th) when in fact Isreal has been killing Palestinians for 75yrs.

Isreal has attacked several Iranian facilities in Syria killing an Iranian general since this crisis.

What lead to the killing for 75 years? U keep sending rockets to isreal and exoect them to clap for u.. Mr history teacher.. Was isreal not on their own when the arab world invaded them? You look for trouble and seek sympathy..

Blazebond:
World war 3 is closer than we think and I am ready for it,no western power is going to brainwash Africa to stand by them again,we will stand on our own and choose whatever sides favours us and it would definitely not be America and her imperialist Allies, the world is changing and this recklessness of israel will forever haunt America and it's Allies.

What are you talking about, a country like South Africa and some hungry East African Countries are already taking sides

Moniya4Real:

They don’t claim responsibility. You naïve keyboard fanatics know nothing about how international politics works. For example: the US knew and accused Russia of interfering in their election but the latter denies it.

Israel has a policy of neither denying or confirming its attacks.


Don't assume others are ignorant because their views are different from yours, makes you sound like a child.

Efewestern:




No one has carried out a direct strike on Iran. Not even the US with all its might. Israel might have sponsored sabotage but not direct hit.

Israel's jets will barely make it out alive if they even penetrate the Iranian airspace. If they fire missiles directly, Iran will respond immediately with more even more damaging response.

There's a reason Israel wants US to hit Iran, but the price will be too much. Sanctions was then used in place of that. What will the US tell its citizens as to why they should sacrifice thousands of their young souls in an endless war with Iran? Even trump that was hot headed and was eager to hit Iran couldn't because Iran didn't give any reason why they should strike, and if they strike unprovoked, you have the Iranians to deal with in the Middle East and the US population to answer to in the states.

Stop arguing blindly and go to Google.

So, did they claim responsibilities? Good you have answered your puerile mind unknowingly

Iykenuwa:



Israel has a policy of neither denying or confirming its attacks.


Don't assume others are ignorant because their views are different from yours, makes you sound like a child.

pquaver:


What lead to the killing for 75 years? U keep sending rockets to isreal and exoect them to clap for u.. Mr history teacher.. Was isreal not on their own when the arab world invaded them? You look for trouble and seek sympathy..

Shit up ignorant buffoon.

Tell me which rocket the Palestinians in the West Bank have ever launched at Isreal that Isreal kills them daily. Is there Hamas in the West Bank?

You folks continue to live in denial

bizzibodi:

He dey pain you abi?

Yes it does....
I mean, for a supposed adult to read and fail to understand is painful, esp to his parents who spent fortune sending him/her to school.
It's painful indeed.

Floky215:


They assassinated some of Iran nuclear scientists right inside Iran...!! If you don't know ask instead of arguing blindly...!!

Even the ayatollah is not safe in Iran if the mossad decides to kill him...!!

Plz I need reference... I mean, where Israel launched attack inside Iran killing there nuclear scientist.

Oga go and wash plate. U sound like a child

Efewestern:


The essence of having strength is that no-one can attack you unnecessary. There will be consequences. So when nations acquire deadly weapons, they do so to prevent calamity.

Iran won't dare attack Israel or any US ally without a strong justification. By justification I mean Israel firing missiles towards Iran. Which Israel won't dare do because Iran has the strength and capacity to return same quantity of destruction and even more.

What these two are doing is to target eachother outside their territories. Eg Israel striking Iran's assets in Syria or sponsoring sabotage within Iran. Iran using Lebanon proxies to strike Israel.

US with all its strength also won't strike Iran without strong justification. Iran too won't provoke US unnecessary in the middle east without a strong justification. Strength prevent further wars. If a nation is weak, they will be crushed. The leaders in Iran understands what the almighty US can do to them if they act recklessly, infact they thread with wisdom. There would have been a regime change in Iran if they hadn't amassed strength over the years. Infact, for the peace of the region, no-one wants a war with Iran. Strike assets in weak Syria and claim victory.

US regularly strikes Iran's assets in Syria and Iraq. Of course, they can hit Iran directly, but no one really wants the destruction of the entire middle east. So it's much easier to hit Iran's asset, generals etc when they step outside their secured zone into Iraq and Syria. Iran too attack US assets using their militias in those countries. That way, everyone claims victory and there won't be a total fallout of war.

This is the psychology of the human mind.

The US under Trump presidency kill General Suleimani right in Iran, without any consequences. Stop hyping Iran, I clearly understand your submission on the proxy fight, but don’t rate this guys too much…They are potent but not as assumed.

It becomes bloody when the Jews strike

NOETHNICITY:
Ohh yeah you are too ignorant to understand that there is Isreal’s presence in Iraq’s Kurdistan which Iran claims it attacked.

Stop deceiving and lying to yourself just to get some temporary happiness

There are no Israelis in Iraq, Syria and Pakistan where Iran terrorist regime bombed yesterday

They bombed your fellow muslims and lied to you they bombed Israelis, so that you'll be happy since Israel is where all of you find a common ground for hatred.

ChybuzzDD:


Stop deceiving and lying to yourself just to get some temporary happiness

There are no Israelis in Iraq, Syria and Pakistan where Iran terrorist regime bombed yesterday

They bombed your fellow muslims and lied to you they bombed Israelis, so that you'll be happy since Israel is where all of you find a common ground for hatred.

Why am I engaging ignorant kids on NL?
NL should review its application policy. Application should be accompanied by proof of age attainment and verification.