PoliteActivist:




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Einstein was never a Christian

PoliteActivist:


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See below where you said exactly that - that the quote wasn't from Einstein.
I don't want to call you a liar, but this is ridiculous -something you articulated severally and argued for a long time!

PoliteActivist:


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You think the person who said these below only believed in Spinoza's god??

PoliteActivist:




*Politeness*
Einstein was never a Christian

johnydon22:


So basically, your question is making the assumption that since Einstein was insightful in one area of knowledge, his insight in other areas should carry the same weight enough for Atheists to try and reconcile their beliefs with his?

Do you see the problem with that thought?

PoliteActivist:


Nope, this is his particular area of knowledge and expertise: insight into the true nature of our reality and existence. Read again what's posted in the OP: "considering that Einstein is arguably the most insightful human that has ever lived (in terms of insight into the true nature of our reality.)"
Someone who all by himself, in his study, through what he called "thought experiments" was able to determine that space and time are one fabric (space-time), that mass is condensed energy (E=mC²), that gravity is just a curvature in space-time, that nothing can travel faster than light, that a person on earth would age 50 times faster than a person traveling near speed of light, black holes, teleportation, time travel, etc! Then he refused to take credit for any of it - apparently because the answers were given to him!

FRANCISTOWN:

Bring out where I said Einstein was a christian.

Einstein was raised in Judaism, until his teen age. During that time, he thought Judaism and Catholicism were the same.
Catholics believe in Jesus. Therefore it makes sense to say at one point in the early years of Einstein, He must had believed in christianity too.

johnydon22:


Einsteins expertise was scientific and last I checked there is a distinction between that and spiritualism.

Einstein's beliefs are not science and hence bears no scientific relevance to anyone... Recognizing his insights on science bears no weight on his insights on metaphysical matters.

Einstein can believe golden dragons exist, his remarkable work on theory of relativity does not make that any less idiotic neither does it make him an authority in determining what is real.

PoliteActivist:


Einstein's expertise was beyond scientific because at the time he came up with these things they were based entirely on his thinking - but later proved correct in real life. So if based on same his thinking he concluded that free will is an illusion, you better pay attention. Based on his antecedents, Einstein wouldn't believe golden dragons existed unless there is high probability they actually do exist!

PoliteActivist:


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You said exactly that. See below. Seems you're another LorReed😄

PoliteActivist:


Einstein's expertise was beyond scientific because at the time he came up with these things they were based entirely on his thinking -

LordReed:


Maybe you have reading comprehension issues. I clearly wrote that it doesn't appear in any of his works and that this particular quote was reported by someone else.

LordReed:


Whatever he believed in was not your god.

LordReed:


What was he?

FRANCISTOWN:


How did "Bring where I said that" turn to "I never said that" ?

I said it and I've already given the reason in the initial post

johnydon22:


Lol. It is called theoretical physics - it is based on mathematics.

Einsteins expertise on relativity again does not make him an authority on reality it makes him an authority on relativity.

PoliteActivist:

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Funny guy. We all know what you meant

PoliteActivist:


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You don't understand, he effectively said it was all handed to him and refused to take personal credit for any of it.

How many lifetimes would it take you to figure out just one of the things he figured out - example, that gravity is just a curvature in space-time, and not a force in the earth pulling you towards it?? And if you did figure it out wouldn't you be so proud of yourself??

KnownUnknown:


This sort of fallacious reasoning is seen amongst white supremacists who like to believe all human advancements is due to what they call “western” civilization or who attribute all foundational knowledge to “the ancient greeks” as if the Greeks did not have intercourse with their foreign forebears and contemporaries. It’s also seen amongst jew supremacist who like to cite the Nobel prize won by Jews as evidence of the superiority of Jews as if there was no advancement by others before or after some Europeans started handing the Nobel prize. Both parties ignore the apparent fact that the advancement they claim as solely theirs did not occur in a vacuum but as a result of the constant accumulation of knowledge. Einstein a wasn’t working in a vacuum and did not come up with his theories “ based entirely on his thinking ”

https://encyclopediaofmath.org/wiki/Einstein-Maxwell_equations#:~:text=Einstein's%20special%20theory%20of%20relativity,frame%20of%20reference%20to%20another.

Einstein's special theory of relativity owes its origin principally to Maxwell's theory of electromagnetic fields. The basic characteristic of Einstein's theory is the Lorentz transformation, which relates scientific measurements in one frame of reference to another.

johnydon22:
That belief is irrelevant to everyone else.


Hence, it makes him and expert and authority in his field not an authority in what is real.

PoliteActivist:


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All this long dissertation to make a faulty point is unnecessary. Nobody is/was working in a vacuum including you. Why haven't you come up with anything?? Bottom line: Einstein fundamentally changed our understanding of our reality more than any human before him or ever since. YET he claimed credit for non of it, essentially saying it was handed to him. He's not the only one that has done this - some top artists have done exactly same - saying they're not truly responsible for their best works and therefore felt uncomfortable claiming credit for them. Einstein did not credit his forruners for his discoveries, he credited "an unseen piper at a distance"!

PoliteActivist:


Einstein's expertise was beyond scientific because at the time he came up with these things they were based entirely on his thinking

PoliteActivist:


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We know 100% what he was not:
he was never a Christian, neither was he ever an atheist

PoliteActivist:

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Our argument was whether our reality was all happenstance or whether there is an organizing force behind it. The word "god" was entirely and solely your own obsession, and I told you that severally durring our argument.
Nlfpmod, OAM4J, front page please, so atheists and religionists will shut up!

PoliteActivist:


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Kindly, you're beginning to make a fool of yourself again. See below

LordReed:


Great, so why should we care?

LordReed:


You where the one who introduced god then and even now, don't try to pass the buck.

What Einstein said doesn't prove anything about any organising force. These were his opinions not scientific facts.

LoLz! Shut up about what exactly?

LordReed:


Nope you are since you clearly lack reading comprehension.

johnydon22:
That belief is irrelevant to everyone else.


Hence, it makes him and expert and authority in his field not an authority in what is real.

PoliteActivist:


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Please do tell, which part of the following didn't I comprehend?

PoliteActivist:

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I commented severally about your obsession with the word "god", an obsession that's still going on.
Einstein goes beyond mere organizing force. His great insightful mind (or source, if you wish - that had never been wrong) told him that even our perceived free will is an illusion - that our thoughts don't come from us!

Shut up about what? Well, without free will both religionists and atheists collapse - atheists more than religionists

LordReed:


The part where I clearly wrote that it is not from any of his works and was reported by someone else.

LordReed:


Nope you are the one with the obsession since it was you who mentioned god first and made a second thread to attempt to tie Einstein with your god. Your attempts to hide behind your finger have already been revealed as less than useless.

LoLZ! Gosh you are a sucker for authority aren't you? Einstein was never wrong? You are such a sucker good grief. Einstein was quite famously wrong about quantum mechanics but here you are talking rubbish. Bwahahahahahaha!

BTW determinism does not say our thoughts don't come from us. That's you once again trying to shoehorn your nonsense into the matter.

Elaborate on how determinising collapses atheism when atheism says nothing about determinism. LoLz.

A determinist can be an atheist but sure go ahead and show why that is impossible nevermind all those atheists who are hard determinists. Bwahahahahahaha!