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Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by folake4u(f): 2:36pm On Feb 04
Gerrard59:


Cultural differences, and I like to suck breasts. Although, I am very open-minded.

What is this? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by Gerrard59(m): 3:20pm On Feb 04
folake4u:


What is this? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I am being honest. I love the breasts of women - succulent, well-shaped and if possible, pointed. Suck them like a baby with her hands caressing my big head. grin grin grin

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Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by folake4u(f): 3:21pm On Feb 04
Gerrard59:


I am being honest. I love the breasts of women - succulent, well-shaped and if possible, pointed. Suck them like a baby with her hands caressing my big head. grin grin grin

Wahalurrrrr. I think say na only book you sabi.

Never really seen you talk about women on NL streets. grin
Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by Gerrard59(m): 3:31pm On Feb 04
folake4u:


Wahalurrrrr. I think say na only book you sabi.

Never really seen you talk about women on NL streets. grin

I love the body of women - well-marinated vagina worthy of being sucked and licked; well-shaped, perky, and sumptuous breasts to be sucked tenderly. As someone born and bred in a black dominated society, and with my time in an environment with few blacks, I have come to realise the beauty of black women. I might change when I see myself in a Latino-dominated society, but for now, East Asian and White women don't freak me. I like breasts, and so far, na only black women get them.

I really do love breasts. Seeing them makes me relieved. embarassed

Na God go punish those wey vote for Buhari in 2015.

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Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by folake4u(f): 3:35pm On Feb 04
Gerrard59:


I love the body of women - well-marinated vagina worthy of being sucked and licked; well-shaped, perky, and sumptuous breasts to be sucked tenderly. As someone born and bred in a black dominated society, and with my time in an environment with few blacks, I have come to realise the beauty of black women. I might change when I see myself in a Latino-dominated society, but for now, East Asian and White women don't freak me. I like breasts, and so far, na only black women get them.

I really do love breasts. Seeing them makes me relieved. embarassed

Na God go punish those wey vote for Buhari in 2015.


Hahahaha. What a description! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I'm surprised you don't like East Asian women. But they're really beautiful though. You haven't see any busty Asian babe over there?

Latina women are also well endowed too.

Women are beautiful creatures. I'd say it again and again.


Hahahaha you and this Buhari though.
Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by YobaNation: 3:46pm On Feb 04
You pro-One-Nigerians who voted in the general elections last year whether you voted for Muslim Nigger TIN-TIN(Bola Ahmed TINubu) or ObiWanKernObi SHOULD NEVER COMPLAIN until the fucking ass rape is over.
You asked for this nigger rapist dick in your ebony booty crack so brace yourself for 3 more years of serious asshole fucking from the Muslim Yoba Nigger-TinTin Jagbada's evil black prick full of deadly cum going inside your ebony crack holes.
Stop complaining and do something drastic to save yourself from ass fucking sodomite niggers called B-ola-A-hmed-T-inubu the battyman.
I challenge your mofucking nigger asses to resist the booty bandit nig who'S raping your blackhole in space or are you MOFUCKING STUPIDS COWARDS.
Do something against the Nigger rapist Tinubu holding you down and fucking you out.
Its been just 12 months and half of the Yoba niggers in Lagos are going lunatic on the streets, talking to themselves, acting crazy and acting the buffoon like some kind witchcraft is attacking them but 12 months ago these same niggers voted from BattyMan-B.A.T-nIGGER-tIN-tIN the Jagbajantis of Yoba Kingdom.
Everytime he slide into and Bleep your Nigeria bootylicous crackholes he get 10 million dollars US each time.
Your Nigerian bootylicious crack hole is a GOLD MINE.
You pro-One-Nigerian voter signed up for 4 years of ass bandit sodomite fucking and you telling me a nigger with a devilish face like Nigger Tin Tin as got a solution to any problem you had 1 year ago.
Just look at the Niggez face and eyes ,mofuckery Nigerrian voter. The evil spirits live in the motherfucking Niggas TinTins eyes. Just Look.
Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by IbeOkehie: 3:56pm On Feb 04
Agboriotejoye:

1) I totally disagree with your claim that democracy and free Markets leads to prosperity. A very

2) The question of what causes corruption is a philosophical one rather than an economic one. It's like asking what causes bad behaviour. The bottom line is the effect and I'm telling you it is the single greatest inhibitor to our economic development. IBB’s regime is generally viewed as the most corrupt in our history. Any reason for that other than failure?

I'm not a public intellectual, activist or politician or anything. I'm an ordinary adult engaged in discussions with other humans on a public message board. I'll attend to one or two fallacies you put up there. When you dispute basic facts I don't see the point 🤷 of discussing anything at all, but I'll try.

Look what you wrote on CORRUPTION, what do you mean it's a PHILOSOPHICAL thing No sir, it's an economic phenomenon called RENT SEEKING. I'm sure you've come across that term. It's a simple thing that everyone should know. That you get this one so wrong out shows you completely out of depth here.

The cause of corruption is government ownership of commercial entities, application of subsidies and government regulation of prices. Abolish all the above and corruption goes away. Yes, it's that simple. And the evidence is in plain sight.

PUBLIC OWNED UNIVERSITIES - Nigerians have to know someone, pay cash bribes or offer sex to get admission, especially to a preferred course of study. This is common knowledge.

PRIVATE UNIVERSITY - no bribes. I've not read of a single instance. Let's make it concrete, do you know of or have you read any report or heard any complaints about corruption at a private university?

When government completely controlled and subsidized the telecoms sector, you had to pay a bribe to get a phone line. Today there's no bribes paid in telecoms. Corruption has disappeared.

Why is there corruption in public universities? Because they're mispriced, usually priced below the true market value because they're SUBSIDIZED by government.

The last time I read the relevant National University Commision report, the annual cost of producing a Nigerian University graduate was put at $3000 per student. No Federal University student pays that amount to the government. They pay some pittance of $50 or so to the government. State government universities charge a little more.

When the University administrators and professors see that they're producing a valuable product for which the buyers are underpaying, they apply RENTS to extract the rest of the value. How? Direct bribes for admission is one method. Another is selling handouts and such. If you're a graduate you know all the ways.

Another economic principle in play is DEMAND & SUPPLY. When the government keeps the price of tuition so low compared to the real price, it causes DEMAND for university education to rise beyond available spaces. When demand rises so much, the university administrators and professors take advantage to extract corrupt RENTS.

All these bribes cum rents go into the pocket of the corrupt professors and university officials. These moneys should be TUITION paid to the owners of the University, who can then use it to keep the facilities maintained and up to date and hire good teachers. This is why government Nigerian Universities have such low quality while the private institutions are much better.

Also, those private institutions that don't maintain high standards will suffer a reduction on students seeking admission. That's free market competition at work, another economic principle. If Covenant University starts performing badly, parents will start sending their children to Igbenideon University. Then Covenant will seek out their bad workers and dismiss them and hire new ones. Maybe seek out a new VC. And they will hire for competence, not for political reasons. This is another reason corruption persists at government owned universities, the staff have political protection and are rarely dismissed for cause. In economic terms public universities have a relatively inflexible labor force.

I've explained corruption using the economic principle of rent seeking and also demand & supply. Very basic stuff. So why do you come here claiming CORRUPTION IS NOT AN ECONOMIC PHENOMENON? It's very much economic, thank you. I trust at this point I shouldn't have to explain HOW corruption disappeared from the telecoms industry in Nigeria? I truly hope you understand the economic mechanisms I've outlined.

Now you cite China as evidence that an undemocratic government can deliver strong economic development. China has developed because it delivered OTHER things that compensate for lack of democracy.

I've repeatedly stated the 4 factors that lead to economic prosperity, happiness and high HDI. China has homogeneity OR dominance by one ethnicity and markets that are much more free than before 1978. Those 2 out of 4 have been enough for China for now. The problem in Nigeria is that we have basically NONE of the 4 factors, maybe a little democracy that's it, let's say 0.5 out of 4, and it shows.

Norway, South Korea and Germany have all the 4 factors. So please try and apply a little perspective.

Now on SAP your source is a newspaper article, an opinion piece. And it does not say IBB took any IMF loan. What happened is that after much public debate, the government rejected the IMF loan and decided to voluntarily implement the conditionalities called SAP.

In fact no Nigerian government up to 2015 ever took a loan from the IMF. Reason? IMF loans were bundled with legally binding policy conditions and the Nigerian public, especially the university educated segment, was hostile to such mandates that would require them to work and be productive. As I've often stated, Nigerian governments ALWAYS do what the people want. 🙄 And we know opposition to SAP is religion in Nigeria.

SAP created ALL the productive sectors of the Nigerian economy that exist today. There would be no developed telecoms sector without SAP. Nigerians hate SAP because it requires a populace to be hard working, productive, pay full price for goods and services they demand and assume some risk. As in most things, the vast majority of Nigerians are wrong, which is why their country is the Poverty Capital of the World.

The single biggest inhibitor of the Nigerian economy is SOCIALIST POLICIES of which the most significant is regulated currency pricing.

Other detrimental major economic policies are government ownership of land or non-existent private property rights, government ownership of many major commercial entities, and direct & indirect regulated pricing and subsidies in many sectors.

There's NOTHING unique about Nigeria. Look around the world, the most prosperous economies are free market economies.
It's right there in our face, there's nothing to debate. If you want to be like Norway and Singapore and USA, build the same kind of society they have. Noooo, Nigeria just adopted the structures of USA style democracy without the FREEDOM that is the underlying intent. I can own land in the USA but not Nigeria. So how on earth can we claim to have copied their system and not gotten the expected similar results?

I believe I've done justice to the issues you raised. I hope my writing is coherent, I had to stop and start and rewrite a lot. Thanks for the exchange. I did learn something.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

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Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by CHRISTFUCKER: 4:48pm On Feb 04
Gerrard59:


I love the body of women - well-marinated vagina worthy of being sucked and licked; well-shaped, perky, and sumptuous breasts to be sucked tenderly. As someone born and bred in a black dominated society, and with my time in an environment with few blacks, I have come to realise the beauty of black women. I might change when I see myself in a Latino-dominated society, but for now, East Asian and White women don't freak me. I like breasts, and so far, na only black women get them.

I really do love breasts. Seeing them makes me relieved. embarassed


Na God go punish those wey vote for Buhari in 2015.



The darker the berry the sweeter the juice

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Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by GloriousGbola: 8:00pm On Feb 04
folake4u:


Wahalurrrrr. I think say na only book you sabi.

Never really seen you talk about women on NL streets. grin

You know nothing young grasshopper

Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by folake4u(f): 8:11pm On Feb 04
GloriousGbola:


You know nothing young grasshopper


🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣I nor be grasshopper abeg.
Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by Agboriotejoye(m): 8:29pm On Feb 04
IbeOkehie:


I'm not a public intellectual, activist or politician or anything. I'm an ordinary adult engaged in discussions with other humans on a public message board.

I'll attend try and deal with one or two fallacies you put up there. When you dispute basic facts I don't see the point 🤷 of discussing anything at all.

Look what you wrote on CORRUPTION, what do you mean it's a PHILOSOPHICAL thing No sir, it's an economic phenomenon called RENT SEEKING. I'm sure you've come across that term. It's a simple thing that everyone should know. That you get this one so wrong out shows you completely out of depth here.

The cause of corruption is government ownership of commercial entities, application of subsidies and government regulation of prices. Abolish all the above and corruption goes away. Yes, it's that simple. And the evidence is in plain sight.

PUBLIC OWNED UNIVERSITIES - Nigerians have to know someone, pay cash bribes or offer sex to get admission, especially to a preferred course of study. This is common knowledge.

PRIVATE UNIVERSITY - no bribes. I've not read of a single instance. Let's make it concrete, do you know of or have you read any report or heard any complaints about corruption at a private university?

When government completely controlled and subsidized the telecoms sector, you had to pay a bribe to get a phone line. Today there's no bribes paid in telecoms. Corruption has disappeared.

Why is there corruption in public universities? Because they're mispriced, usually priced below the true market value because they're SUBSIDIZED by government.

The last time I read the relevant National University Commision report, the cost of producing a Nigerian University graduate was put at $3000 per student.

No Federal University student pays that amount to the government. They pay some pittance of $50 or so to the government.

When the University administrators and professors see that they're producing a valuable product for which the buyers are underpaying, they apply RENTS to extract the rest of the value. How? Direct bribes for admission is one method. Another is selling handouts and such. If you're a graduate you know all the ways.

Another economic principle in play is DEMAND & SUPPLY. When the government keeps the price of tuition so low compared to the real price, it causes DEMAND for university education to rise beyond available spaces. When demand rises so much, the university administrators and professors take advantage to extract corrupt RENTS.

All these rents go into the pocket of the corrupt professors and university officials. These moneys should be TUITION paid to the owners of the University, who can then use it to keep the facilities maintained and up to date and hire good teachers. This is why government Nigerian Universities have such low quality while the private institutions are much better.

Also, those private institutions that don't maintain high standards will suffer a reduction on students seeking admission. That's free market competition at work, another economic principle. If Covenant University starts performing badly, parents will start sending their children to Igbenideon University. Then Covenant will seek out their bad workers and dismiss them and hire new ones. Maybe seek out a new VC. And they will hire for competence, not for political reasons. This is another reason corruption persists at government owned universities, the staff have political protection and are rarely dismissed for cause. In economic terms public universities have a relatively inflexible labor force.

I've explained corruption using the economic principle of rent seeking and also demand & supply. Very basic stuff. So why do you come here claiming CORRUPTION IS NOT AN ECONOMIC PHENOMENON? It's very much economic, thank you. I trust at this point I shouldn't have to explain HOW corruption disappeared from the telecoms industry in Nigeria? I truly hope you understand the economic mechanisms I've outlined.

Now you cite China as evidence that an undemocratic government can deliver strong economic development. China has developed because it delivered OTHER things that compensate for lack of democracy.

I've stated the 4 factors that lead to economic prosperity, happiness and high HDI. China has homogeneity OR dominance by one ethnicity and markets that are much more free than before 1978. Those 2 out of 4 have been enough for China for now. The problem in Nigeria is that we have basically NONE of the 4 factors, maybe a little democracy that's it, let's say 0.5 out of 4, and it shows.

Norway, South Korea and Germany have all the 4 factors. So please try and apply a little perspective.

Now on SAP your source is a newspaper article, an opinion piece. And it does not say IBB took any IMF loan. What happened is that after much public debate, the government rejected the IMF loan and decided to voluntarily implement the conditionalities called SAP.

In fact no Nigerian government up to 2015 ever took a loan from the IMF. Reason? IMF loans were bundled with legally binding policy conditions and the Nigerian public, especially the university educated segment, was hostile to such mandates that would require them to work and be productive. As I've repeatedly stated, Nigerian governments ALWAYS do what the people want. 🙄

Anyway opposition to SAP is religion in Nigeria.
SAP created ALL the productive sectors of the Nigerian economy that exist today. There would be no developed telecoms sector without SAP. Nigerians hate SAP because it requires a populace to be hard working, productive, pay full price and assume some risk.

As in most things, the vast majority of Nigerians are wrong, which is why their country is the Poverty Capital of the World.

The single biggest inhibitor of the Nigerian economy is SOCIALIST POLICIES of which the most significant is regulated currency pricing.

Other detrimental major economic policies are government ownership of land or non-existent private property rights, government ownership of many major commercial entities, and direct & indirect regulated pricing and subsidies in many sectors.

There's NOTHING unique about Nigeria. Look around the world, the most prosperous economies are free market economies.
It's right there in our face, there's nothing to debate. If you want to be like Norway and Singapore and USA, build the same kind of society they have. Noooo, Nigeria just adopted the structures of USA style democracy without the FREEDOM that is the underlying intent. I can own land in the USA but not Nigeria. So how on earth can we claim to have copied their system and not gotten the expected similar results?

I believe I've done justice to the issues you raised. I hope my writing is coherent, I had to stop and start and rewrite a lot. Thanks for the exchange. I did learn something.

Good Luck to Nigerians.
Rent seeking? That's the most narrow definition of corruption I've ever heard. You simply think corruption starts and end with getting financial or economic advantage. How do you describe Buhari's blatant nepotism or the refusal of Emefiele to release audited reports of CBN?
How do you describe a situation prevalent in Nigeria whereby ethnic or religious considerations sometimes find their way into public policy like the brouhaha we had over relocating of some offices to Lagos recently? Corruption comes in many forms and dimensions and to narrow it to just rent-seeking is a sign you don't have a full grasp of what embodies corruption.
Corruption is philosophical because whoever wants to carry out corruption already believes the system will allow him get away with it before he does so. Where you have a system that abhors and punishes corruption, it takes a backseat. Corruption is strictly philosophical phenomenon. A senator came out recently and informed everyone he has a daughter working in CBN when CBN has not advertised any recruitment in the last 7 years. He already knew he won't have to explain how his daughter got into CBN and that's why he had the nerve to announce it to the public on a totally unrelated matter.

Are you really sure there's no corruption in private universities and telcos? Have you bothered to find out how private universities obtain their licences and accreditation? Even student placement into highly sought after departments is corruption filled in private universities. Go and find out

As for telcos, go find out how they have been obtaining spectrum licences and renewals. A telco I know obtained 5G licence recently despite not participating in any bid for it.
The NCC act prescribes a review of KPIs for telcos at regional level every quarter and fines for defaulting telcos. Can you tell me if any telcos has been fined since 2014? Or do you mean somehow all telcos have been meeting their kpi in all regions? Don't even get me started on MTN. They were fined at the beginning of Buhari's administration for flouting SIM reg laws. Can you check on the net how the fiasco ended? Plsss!! You're oblivious to a lot of things.

You keep claiming US is the freest market. Can you juxtapose US govt response to the financial crisis of 2008 vis-a-vis free market. Why was billions of dollars doled out to banks, automotive industries and real estate instead of letting them die off since they drove themselves into a ditch. Why did the US adopt protectionist methods to salvage those sectors? Why has the US been having running battle with China over import devaluation since the time of Obama up to the era of Trump who actually billed Chinese companies and even made serious moves to weaken Huawei's dominance of telecom vendor market? Why didn't the US leave all these issues to free market concepts? The US jealously guards its agric sector and Defence industry yet you claim they are the freest economy. I hear you.

This your scoreboard is funny. Ghana is west Africa's most stable democracy. Nigeria that you gave poor marks is faring better than it. How do you explain that Russia is doing better economically than the Germany, Norway you touted. Russia is neither democratic nor free market nor homogeneous. How do we explain that? You co-opted China into your scoreboard through manipulations. China heavily suppresses ethnicity just as it does for religion as is expected in a communist state. Yet you're using those two as evidence of good economic judgement on their part? Wow.

I don't know what you mean by people can't own land in Nigeria. I'll like you to enlighten me further on that. Maybe there's something I'm missing.

Thanx

P.S. Go and read that screenshot well. IBB owned up to the failure of SAP in an interview with channels in 1992. It was a reportage not an opinion. IBB took loans from World bank while implementing SAP. It's a known fact. It was IMF loan he rejected as if there's a difference

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Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by PARADIZEPRIEST: 8:35pm On Feb 04
FCKING LIES AND CHEAP PROPAGANDA FROM OBII AND ATIFKU CAMP,THEY KNIW BUHA LEFT NEGATIVE RESERVE AND THEY STILL RANT LIKE BABIES TO SABOTSHE THE TINUBU GOVT.GOD MIGHTY IS IN CONTROL,ENEMIES WILL FALL YAKATA IFSHA.
PTINUBU IS DOING HIS BEST POSSIBLE, SO AND BAD EJECTION LOSSERS/ HATERS GO AND DROWN IN RIVER BENUE. angry
Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by searchlight: 8:42pm On Feb 04
HeeBraHim2:
You lose the moment you start showing Obi as the option.
He cannot even turn Anambra to what he want to turn Nigeria to.
Tinubu is the best option my dear. By the time he's done with the ZOO, you will just pray he ends his tenure like you begged buhari
Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by pocohantas(f): 9:35pm On Feb 04
Gerrard59:


I love the body of women - well-marinated vagina worthy of being sucked and licked; well-shaped, perky, and sumptuous breasts to be sucked tenderly. As someone born and bred in a black dominated society, and with my time in an environment with few blacks, I have come to realise the beauty of black women. I might change when I see myself in a Latino-dominated society, but for now, East Asian and White women don't freak me. I like breasts, and so far, na only black women get them.

I really do love breasts. Seeing them makes me relieved. embarassed

Na God go punish those wey vote for Buhari in 2015.

E be like them done hack your account.
We have to look into this or let's see if you maintain momentum.

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Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by IbeOkehie: 10:43pm On Feb 04
Oga Agboriotejoye, I don't know what to tell you again, but your commentary just keeps bringing me back.

Rent seeking? That's the most narrow definition of corruption I've ever heard.

If you say so.

You simply think corruption starts and end with getting financial or economic advantage. How do you describe Buhari's blatant nepotism or the refusal of Emefiele to release audited reports of CBN?
Of course they don't want to release their accounts. Because it would reveal corruption. Again the question - WHAT IS THE CAUSE OF CORRUPTION? The major cause of corruption I can think of in the CBN are:

1) Subsidized loans like the Anchor Borrowers Scheme. The beneficiaries are not going to pay and food prices are general proof they didn't invest in production anyway. Like I said, subsidies promote corruption.

2) Forex round tipping. Everyone knows this. WHY DOES IT HAPPEN? It happens because the government has imposed REGULATED pricing for the forex market. So those working at CBN naturally take advantage.

From the above, the SOLUTION to corruption at the CBN is simple and straight forward - abolish all subsidies and regulated prices. Why is this so hard to understand? Sheeesh!!! There's no OFFICIAL PRICE different from PARALLEL PRICE of forex in the USA or UK or Norway. Have you traded forex before? The price you get trading on your personal forex account is the same thing the government gets. When Nigeria starts doing that, corruption will be greatly reduced at the CBN.

How do you describe a situation prevalent in Nigeria whereby ethnic or religious considerations sometimes find their way into public policy like the brouhaha we had over relocating of some offices to Lagos recently? Corruption comes in many forms and dimensions and to narrow it to just rent-seeking is a sign you don't have a full grasp of what embodies corruption.
My friend, why do I have to describe everything in miniature detail? This is a simple matter. The problem here is DIVERSITY, lack of a dominant ethnicity. One way to REDUCE this is through regionalism, regional autonomy. Like the USA has for states and the UK has for it's component nations. It's not rocket science.

Corruption is philosophical because whoever wants to carry out corruption already believes the system will allow him get away with it before he does so. Where you have a system that abhors and punishes corruption, it takes a backseat. Corruption is strictly philosophical phenomenon. A senator came out recently and informed everyone he has a daughter working in CBN when CBN has not advertised any recruitment in the last 7 years. He already knew he won't have to explain how his daughter got into CBN and that's why he had the nerve to announce it to the public on a totally unrelated matter.
No, corruption wouldn't be possible in the first place without GOVERNMENT OWNERSHIP AND CONTROL. In the case of CBN and other central banks, they have a monopoly on the production of money and they can do it out of thin air, from nothing. Well, the markets have come up with an INNOVATIVE way to ABOLISH central banks and so make money completely immune from fiat impulses. How? Blockchain based cryptocurrencies like BITCOIN and ETHERIUM.

Basically, Nigeria can adopt bitcoin and abolish the CBN. Since government will lose it's monopoly over currency, that Senator's daughter will have to go get a job elsewhere. This EMPLOYMENT CORRUPTION is the basic reason Northern APC politicians are so desperate to recreate Nigeria Airways. So there it is again, I've proved it - CORRUPTION ONLY EXISTS BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF AN INDUSTRY or due to GOVERNMENT REGULATED PRICES.

Are you really sure there's no corruption in private universities and telcos? Have you bothered to find out how private universities obtain their licences and accreditation? Even student placement into highly sought after departments is corruption filled in private universities. Go and find out
Dear Sir, this doesn't have to be an absolute. There's no country or industry or sector with ZERO corruption, the real issue is the preponderance or incidence of it. How to REDUCE corruption to a minimum. Come on man! Here's the simple question I'd like you to answer, please don't avoid it. Between publicly owned Universities and privately owned Universities, which are more corrupt, where is there more incidence of corruption?

As for telcos, go find out how they have been obtaining spectrum licences and renewals. A telco I know obtained 5G licence recently despite not participating in any bid for it.
I doubt that, but even if true I ask you again - between NITEL and the private owned telcos, which is more corrupt? Which once did Nigerians have more complaints about their corruption?

You keep claiming US is the freest market.

Well one of the freest markets, yes. Norway and many Scandinavian nations have even freer markets. For example, Norway and Sweden have no minimum wage laws such as exist in the USA. Labour is one of the most important and special factors of production, so you know a country that doesn't regulate wages loves free markets for sure.

Can you juxtapose US govt response to the financial crisis of 2008 vis-a-vis free market. Why was billions of dollars doled out to banks, automotive industries and real estate instead of letting them die off since they drove themselves into a ditch. Why did the US adopt protectionist methods to salvage those sectors?

The protections of USA industries by the Obama Administration was wrong and it greatly harmed the USA economy. President Obama himself is a socialist inclined politician. In fact the 2008 Economic Crisis was caused by government regulations implemented in 1999 by President Bill Clinton. The USA government at that time FORCED banks to lend to unqualified borrowers for political reasons to secure Black votes for Bill Clinton. Try and read the whole article, it's very interesting. Note in particular this bit

Demographic information on these borrowers is sketchy. But at least one study indicates that 18 percent of the loans in the subprime market went to black borrowers, compared to 5 per cent of loans in the conventional loan market. In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980's.

''From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another thrift industry growing up around us,'' said Peter Wallison a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. ''If they fail, the government will have to step up and bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry.''

https://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html

New York Times
By STEVEN A. HOLMES
SEPT. 30, 1999
In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders.

The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets -- including the New York metropolitan region -- will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by next spring.

Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.

In addition, banks, thrift institutions and mortgage companies have been pressing Fannie Mae to help them make more loans to so-called subprime borrowers. These borrowers whose incomes, credit ratings and savings are not good enough to qualify for conventional loans, can only get loans from finance companies that charge much higher interest rates -- anywhere from three to four percentage points higher than conventional loans.

''Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990's by reducing down payment requirements,'' said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae's chairman and chief executive officer. ''Yet there remain too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market.'

Demographic information on these borrowers is sketchy. But at least one study indicates that 18 percent of the loans in the subprime market went to black borrowers, compared to 5 per cent of loans in the conventional loan market. In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980's.

''From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another thrift industry growing up around us,'' said Peter Wallison a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. ''If they fail, the government will have to step up and bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry.''

Under Fannie Mae's pilot program, consumers who qualify can secure a mortgage with an interest rate one percentage point above that of a conventional, 30-year fixed rate mortgage of less than $240,000 -- a rate that currently averages about 7.76 per cent. If the borrower makes his or her monthly payments on time for two years, the one percentage point premium is dropped.


Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, does not lend money directly to consumers. Instead, it purchases loans that banks make on what is called the secondary market. By expanding the type of loans that it will buy, Fannie Mae is hoping to spur banks to make more loans to people with less-than-stellar credit ratings.

Fannie Mae officials stress that the new mortgages will be extended to all potential borrowers who can qualify for a mortgage. But they add that the move is intended in part to increase the number of minority and low income home owners who tend to have worse credit ratings than non-Hispanic whites.

Home ownership has, in fact, exploded among minorities during the economic boom of the 1990's. The number of mortgages extended to Hispanic applicants jumped by 87.2 per cent from 1993 to 1998, according to Harvard University's Joint Center for Housing Studies. During that same period the number of African Americans who got mortgages to buy a home increased by 71.9 per cent and the number of Asian Americans by 46.3 per cent.

In contrast, the number of non-Hispanic whites who received loans for homes increased by 31.2 per cent.

Despite these gains, home ownership rates for minorities continue to lag behind non-Hispanic whites, in part because blacks and Hispanics in particular tend to have on average worse credit ratings.

In July, the Department of Housing and Urban Development proposed that by the year 2001, 50 percent of Fannie Mae's and Freddie Mac's portfolio be made up of loans to low and moderate-income borrowers. Last year, 44 percent of the loans Fannie Mae purchased were from these groups.

The change in policy also comes at the same time that HUD is investigating allegations of racial discrimination in the automated underwriting systems used by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to determine the credit-worthiness of credit applicants.



Why has the US been having running battle with China over import devaluation since the time of Obama up to the era of Trump who actually billed Chinese companies and even made serious moves to weaken Huawei's dominance of telecom vendor market? Why didn't the US leave all these issues to free market concepts? The US jealously guards its agric sector and Defence industry yet you claim they are the freest economy. I hear you.

The USA and China are basically at war. When it comes to war, every rule is out the window. Don't be ridiculous. Huawei was suspected of bugging USA and Western telecoms networks. The USA does the same to China, which is why China is desperate to develop better civilian planes to compete with Boeing.

Read this -- https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/01/19/china-finds-bugs-on-jet-equipped-in-us/65089140-2afe-42e0-a377-ec8d4e5034ef/

This your scoreboard is funny. Ghana is west Africa's most stable democracy. Nigeria that you gave poor marks is faring better than it. How do you explain that Russia is doing better economically than the Germany, Norway you touted. Russia is neither democratic nor free market nor homogeneous. How do we explain that? You co-opted China into your scoreboard through manipulations. China heavily suppresses ethnicity just as it does for religion as is expected in a communist state. Yet you're using those two as evidence of good economic judgement on their part? Wow.
Russia is dominated by the Russian tribe....complete domination. There's other tribes like the Chechens, Jews and Turkmen in Russia too, but the Russians are dominant.

China is dominated and ruled by the Han tribe. In fact it's almost law in China that you can't become a high government official unless you're Han. On government websites, the tribal origin of government officials are listed.

I don't know what you mean by people can't own land in Nigeria. I'll like you to enlighten me further on that. Maybe there's something I'm missing.
grin grin grin
You're Nigerian. Surely you're familiar with the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria? You're a Nigerian with family ties and friends in that country. Do you know ANYONE with legal TITLE or DEED of ownership for any piece of land in Nigeria? Have you ever seen a CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY and read the fine print? Any educated person should know the difference between OWNERSHIP and OCCUPANCY. shocked

P.S. Go and read that screenshot well. IBB owned up to the failure of SAP in an interview with channels in 1992. It was a reportage not an opinion. IBB took loans from World bank while implementing SAP. It's a known fact. It was IMF loan he rejected as if there's a difference
There's a difference between IMF and WB loans. And IBB has not repudiated SAP in my view. If he ever did, it's due to pressure from the Nigerian public. Here's a recent interview given by IBB in this year 2024.

https://timeafricamagazine.com/interview-honest-truth-general-ibrahim-badamasi-babangida-rtd-former-military-head-of-state-of-nigeria/

Q: What do you make of this administration’s handling of the economy so far?

A: For the fact that it hasn’t collapsed, I think they are trying to keep it moving.

Q: What are the indices you would say they are putting in place to actually move the economy forward?

A: I think they need to mobilize the people towards achieving this common objective. You should convince and prove to them that they can do it; the resources are there; you are there to provide leadership and to support them.

Q: Are you concerned that the Naira side by side the Dollar

A: It says a lot. But I think we can address it. Production. Once people can produce a lot of things that they can easily sell, either by export or within the country I think it will stabilize.

Q: How can that production come about? You have unemployment rate of about 33%. You have a huge youth population that is almost 70% of the Nigerian population. And yet Nigeria is the poverty capital of the world.

A: There is too much control in the way the economy is being run. We should open it further. If we do that and tap the God given talent of the Nigerian people I think we will go far.
The last answer, bolded for emphasis, says it all. IBB is saying Nigeria needs more SAP....more privatization of commercial entities and resources, more deregulation of prices, more removal of subsidies, more free markets.

The Nigerian people have rarely ever had reasonable views or made reasonable choices for their country. This is the same population that elected Muhammadu Buhari to be their President because he told them "there is nothing like fuel subsidy, it doesn't exist". cheesy grin cheesy
Oga abeg take a rest, Nigerians are a low IQ populace, they don't know jack. That's why their country is the Poverty Capital of the World and will remain so for a loooong time to come.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

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Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by Arabaincubus: 10:51pm On Feb 04
jmoore:
I find it ridiculous when some folks keep repeating 'Obi also said he will remove subsidy and float the forex'.

There is a difference between words and actions. One might change plans when faced with the negative impacts that may occur.

It is ridiculous to cherrypick the one that suits you. Why didn't Kperogi say anything about how Obi promised to fight insecurity if elected? Tinubu, Obi and Atiku promised to fight insecurity. Why is Tinubu not implementing the fight? Terrorists are doing promo. Kperogi should channel his criticism only on the one elected.

Kperogi is always doing this. There are many bing which Tinubu condoned which Obi cannot condone.
The wastefulness of the Tinubu's administration is writ large.

Kperogi is a pretender.

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Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by Arabaincubus: 11:01pm On Feb 04
jmoore:
I find it ridiculous when some folks keep repeating 'Obi also said he will remove subsidy and float the forex'.

There is a difference between words and actions. One might change plans when faced with the negative impacts that may occur.

It is ridiculous to cherrypick the one that suits you. Why didn't Kperogi say anything about how Obi promised to fight insecurity if elected? Tinubu, Obi and Atiku promised to fight insecurity. Why is Tinubu not implementing the fight? Terrorists are doing promo. Kperogi should channel his criticism only on the one elected.
Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by wealthtrak: 2:59am On Feb 05
ogododo:


https://www.farooqkperogi.com/2024/02/tinubu-nigeria-is-sinking-and-streets.html
On April 9, 2022, Obi also tweeted: “The truth is that for long market forces have not determined the exchange rate of the Naira…. It has to end. Let the exchange rate be determined by the forces of demand and supply. It’s that simple.”

In other words, Tinubu is doing exactly what Atiku and Obi had proposed they would do, and the results would have been the same. The hyperinflation and hurt Nigerians are going through now won’t have been evaded because it is Atiku or Obi who removed petrol subsidies “from day one.” The naira’s glide to the bottom wouldn’t have been avoided because Atiku or Obi “floated” the naira.

That is why Atiku- or Obi-supporting critics of Tinubu come across as ignorant partisans who have drunk the Kool-Aid of their cult leaders. Atiku and Obi supporters should be grateful that their idols are not president today. They would have been bearing the reputational brunt of the boneheaded, discredited rightwing economic policies they also advocated, which have thrown Nigeria into the current mess.

Interestingly, in response to Obi’s 2022 tweet rhapsodizing over the imperative of subjecting the naira to the “forces of demand and supply,” a supporter of his by the name of Abel (with the handle @governance9ja) wrote a riposte, which has turned out to be prescient. He wrote: “So @PeterObi will float the currency for a country where most factor inputs into local manufacturing is imported? We already have cost push inflation reducing real income of many Nigerians. Floating naira will ruin many households. @PeterObi and @OfficialABAT are two of a kind.”
Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by Gerrard59(m): 3:45am On Feb 05
folake4u:



Hahahaha. What a description! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I'm surprised you don't like East Asian women. But they're really beautiful though. You haven't see any busty Asian babe over there?

Latina women are also well endowed too.

Women are beautiful creatures. I'd say it again and again.
Hahahaha you and this Buhari though.

They are very beautiful facially, I won't lie. Very beautiful. But my love for breasts is like copied assignment, I cannot explain it. I have been asked by Japanese men what do I think of their women, and this is my response: your women are beautiful facially, but I prefer black women because they have big breasts and yansh. Their response? They understand and respect my choice.

As for Buhari. He ruined the economy and worsened insecurity.

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Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by nervorum: 3:47am On Feb 05
No amount of bad mouth and insult on the Nigerian leadership changes anything.

We can’t eat our cake and have it. We made a choice, we must now leave with the outcome. Nigerians pretend not to know election have consequences. 1 year down possibly 7 more to go. I wish everyone luck.

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Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by Gerrard59(m): 3:57am On Feb 05
IbeOkehie:
Oga Agboriotejoye, I don't know what to tell you again, but your commentary just keeps bringing me back.

Of course they don't want to release their accounts. Because it would reveal corruption. Again the question - WHAT IS THE CAUSE OF CORRUPTION? The major cause of corruption I can think of in the CBN are:

1) Subsidized loans like the Anchor Borrowers Scheme. The beneficiaries are not going to pay and food prices are general proof they didn't invest in production anyway. Like I said, subsidies promote corruption.

2) Forex round tipping. Everyone knows this. WHY DOES IT HAPPEN? It happens because the government has imposed REGULATED pricing for the forex market. So those working at CBN naturally take advantage.

From the above, the SOLUTION to corruption at the CBN is simple and straight forward - abolish all subsidies and regulated prices. Why is this so hard to understand? Sheeesh!!! There's no OFFICIAL PRICE different from PARALLEL PRICE of forex in the USA or UK or Norway. Have you traded forex before? The price you get trading on your personal forex account is the same thing the government gets. When Nigeria starts doing that, corruption will be greatly reduced at the CBN.


My friend, why do I have to describe everything in miniature detail? This is a simple matter. The problem here is DIVERSITY, lack of a dominant ethnicity. One way to REDUCE this is through regionalism, regional autonomy. Like the USA has for states and the UK has for it's component nations. It's not rocket science.

No, corruption wouldn't be possible in the first place without GOVERNMENT OWNERSHIP AND CONTROL. In the case of CBN and other central banks, they have a monopoly on the production of money and they can do it out of thin air, from nothing. Well, the markets have come up with an INNOVATIVE way to ABOLISH central banks and so make money completely immune from fiat impulses. How? Blockchain based cryptocurrencies like BITCOIN and ETHERIUM.

Basically, if Nigeria wants to abolish the CBN, adopt bitcoin. Since government will lose it's monopoly over currency, that Senator's daughter will have to go get a job elsewhere. This EMPLOYMENT CORRUPTION is the basic reason Northern APC politicians are so desperate to recreate Nigeria Airways. So there it is again, I've proved it - CORRUPTION ONLY EXISTS BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF AN INDUSTRY or due to GOVERNMENT REGULATED PRICES.


Dear Sir, it doesn't have to be an absolute. There's no country or industry or sector with ZERO corruption, the real issue is the preponderance or incidence of it. How to REDUCE corruption to a minimum. Come on man! Here's the simple question I'd like you to answer, please don't avoid it. Between publicly owned Universities and privately owned Universities, which are more corrupt, where is there more incidence of corruption?

I doubt that, but even if true I ask you again - between NITEL and the private owned telcos, which is more corrupt? Which once did Nigerians have more complaints about their corruption?

Well one of the freest markets, yes. Norway and many Scandinavian nations have even freer markets. For example, Norway and Sweden have no minimum wage laws such as exist in the USA.

The protections of USA industries by the Obama Administration was wrong and it greatly harmed the USA economy. President Obama himself is a socialist inclined politician. In fact the 2008 Economic Crisis was caused by government regulations implemented in 1999 by President Bill Clinton. The USA government at that time FORCED banks to lend to unqualified borrowers for political reasons to secure Black votes for Bill Clinton.

The USA and China are basically at war. When it comes to war, every rule is out the window. Don't be ridiculous. Huawei was suspected to bugging USA and Western telecoms networks. The USA does the same to China, which is why China is desperate to develop better civilian planes to compete with Boeing.

Russia is dominated by the Russian tribe....complete domination. There's other tribes like the Chechens, Jews and Turkmen in Russia too, but the Russians are dominant. China is dominated and ruled by the Han tribe. In fact it's almost law in China that you can't become a high government official unless you're Han. On government websites, the tribal origin of government officials are listed.

You're Nigerian. Surely you're familiar with the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria? You're a Nigerian with family ties and friends in that country. [b]Do you know ANYONE with legal TITLE or DEED of ownership for any piece of land in Nigeria? Have you ever seen a CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY and read the fine print? Any educated person should know the difference between OWNERSHIP and OCCUPANCY.[/b]
Good Luck to Nigerians.

You have done so well explaining facts so clearly, but why it has been difficult to accept it is funny. You mentioned racial/ethnic dominance countless time, but the fellow finds it hard to grasp. Mind-boggling to say. Well done. I don't know how old you are, but maybe for posterity and philanthropic sake, think about lecturing at a public university in Nigeria, preferably the East for free. Lecture on economics and international relations.

Regarding ownership of land, you mean the 99-year lease? If so, then yes, Nigerians don't own land. Rather it is on lease.
As for bank bailouts, well, proponents say it is good as big banks or companies are too big to fail as the effects on the economy would be catastrophic. Yes, Obama is a socialist just like the rest of the Democratic Party.

In a diverse country as Nigeria, unadulterated capitalism is the best economic system. Socialism, not even communism, can only work in homogeneous societies. Even with that, the population should not be more than 5 million and they should have a bountiful amount of natural resources. It is always funny and borderline annoying when I read black people loathe capitalism.

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Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by EmekaA125(m): 4:32am On Feb 05
nairalanda1:


1.Subsidy is not bad, but you have to have the money to pay for it. Here in NIgeria, our tax to gdp is too low to pay for subsides. As for the oyel money....90% is going on debt servicing , and we produce as much as Libya, which has 8 million people, and which can afford to subsidise. We have 200 million people, and far more needs than LIbya. Wey the money go come from.?

2.US, UK, Russia, China, and Europe pay what is called production subsides. In other words, they pay money to the refining companies to see if they can reduce costs.The refineries and market still set the prices. Also, US Has some form of financial aid to the poor re fuel, but you have to be means tested to see if you deserve it.(and if the government thinks you earn above a certain level, ye don't qualify).

US by the way, fuel prices vary from place to place. Some states eg California, are very very expensive.

(Also spend some time on US sites like reddit...someone posts a thread showing a photo of a fuel station in the USA from say 1949 or 1960's where fuel costs 50 cents a gallon, and people would be complaining like NIgerians, lol).

Here, we made the refining companies sell fuel below production cost, and paid them a subsidy that doesn't adequately cover the production cost. That is how we went from 40000bpd capacity in 1986 to 92000bpd in 2011, to 6000bpd in 2019. And because domestic refining was not profitable, the refineries all collapse.

Venezuela also does subsides like we do. Fuel costs N40 there. Meanwhile they have lost refining capacity so badly it is sad.

NIger is poorer than we are, they have a refinery, they have domestic crude production, and fuel there costs 1000 naira per liter or more. NO subsidy. DItto Ghana. Two working refineries self in Ghana.
What's your point??
Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by IbeOkehie: 4:51am On Feb 05
Oga Gerrard I tire. The obtuse nature of Nigerians never ceases to frustrate me. Simple thing, they will argue. Nigerians take pride in refusing to concede to truth and reality, as if they can FORCE nature to adapt to their personal needs. With such a people it's inevitable that the country has become the Poverty Capital of the World!!!!

How rock ribbed does one have to be not to UNDERSTAND how corruption works and the reasons for corruption? The guy claims it's a PHILOSOPHICAL thing, what the heck does that even mean?

The official price of a NITEL land line was ₦5,000 and ₦10,000 for Mobile, but you had to add ₦30,000 in bribes to guarantee you get a line. So my family along with over 99% of Nigerians never had a phone. That's the REALITY of government controlled industries and prices. Years later MTN rolled out their phone lines for ₦50,000 per line and the demand was through the roof, they could hardly keep up. You're talking about lecturing at universities, the subject of telecoms, cement and broadcast privatization should be a required course for EVERY university student in Nigeria.

Nigerians complain about their education system today and how it was much better back in the 1960's and 70's. You know why it was better back then? Most elementary & secondary schools were private, owned by businessmen/teachers or churches or mosques. The Universities were owned by regional governments.

The journey to desolation started when Murtala Mohammed issued a decree mandating the take over of all elementary & secondary schools by State governments AND the takeover of all universities by the Federal Government. Most of the private school owners got ZERO NAIRA compensation, that's not hearsay, I personally know people whose schools were seized and they've told me to my face they didn't get a kobo. It's interesting to note that Murtala Mohammed and Muhammadu Buhari are two of the most popular and revered Nigerian Presidents to this day. That tells anyone a lot about the MENTAL ABILITIES of the Nigerian people in general.

You have done so well explaining facts so clearly, but why it has been difficult to accept it is funny. You mentioned racial/ethnic dominance countless time, but the fellow finds it hard to grasp. Mind-boggling to say. Well done. I don't know how old you are, but maybe for posterity and philanthropic sake, think about lecturing at a public university in Nigeria, preferably the East for free. Lecture on economics and international relations.

I would rather die than work in Nigeria ever again, even for $1million salary. Nigerians are a terrible people.

Regarding ownership of land, you mean the 99-year lease? If so, then yes, Nigerians don't own land. Rather it is on lease.
No "IF" about it. It's a lease and revocable at will by the government. They can take possession of the land at any time. All Nigerians know someone who has lost their land to government but strangely it never seems to affect their view that they "own" land. On a tribal level, this is why the Igbo LEGALLY didn't lose any property in other parts of Nigeria as a result of the Civil War. They never owned it in the first place, that's why the government was so cavalier and dismissive of their claims.

Nobody has owned any land in Nigeria since the British took possession of the country. Anyone that claims otherwise should show us a Title or Deed, I'll pay them $1 million on the spot.

As for bank bailouts, well, proponents say it is good as big banks or companies are too big to fail as the effects on the economy would be catastrophic.

No company is too big to fail. Countries go bankrupt and recover, countries are defeated in war and recover, Japan had nuclear bombs dropped on them and recovered. There's NOTHING like too big to fail, it's a cover for cronyism, self dealing and corruption.

Yes, Obama is a socialist just like the rest of the Democratic Party.
Worst President of the USA ever.

In a diverse country as Nigeria, unadulterated capitalism is the best economic system. Socialism, not even communism, can only work in homogeneous societies. Even with that, the population should not be more than 5 million and they should have a bountiful amount of natural resources. It is always funny and borderline annoying when I read black people loathe capitalism.
I totally agree with you on this. The factors for prosperity in the research paper I often cite included small size as a factor, while I don't totally agree, I concede it might be important in the sense of bringing a democratic government closer to the people.

You're a gem. Stay in Japan, don't go back to Nigeria chasing big breasts, they will spoil you.

Good Luck to Nigerians.
Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by folake4u(f): 6:35am On Feb 05
Gerrard59:


They are very beautiful facially, I won't lie. Very beautiful. But my love for breasts is like copied assignment, I cannot explain it. I have been asked by Japanese men what do I think of their women, and this is my response: your women are beautiful facially, but I prefer black women because they have big breasts and yansh. Their response? They understand and respect my choice.

As for Buhari. He ruined the economy and worsened insecurity.

Na wa oh.

First time I'm seeing you so explicit on choice of women.

Wait oh. Was your account hacked?? shocked shocked shocked

Yeah. Buhari did a lot of evil in his tenure.
Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by Gerrard59(m): 6:38am On Feb 05
folake4u:


Na wa oh.

First time I'm seeing you so explicit on choice of women.

Wait oh. Was your account hacked?? shocked shocked shocked

Yeah. Buhari did a lot of evil in his tenure.

Me wey sabi all the sex styles in this world? shocked I love women's bodies. I really do. If I write on the art and science of sexual intercourse eh. grin
Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by folake4u(f): 6:42am On Feb 05
Gerrard59:


Me wey sabi all the sex styles in this world? shocked I love women's bodies. I really do. If I write on the art and science of sexual intercourse eh. grin

Subhanallahhhhhhhhhhhh! shocked

I didn't know you're an undercover bad boy oh. Anytime I see your posts, I see "Facts, figures, data, politics". cheesy

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Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by Agboriotejoye(m): 7:21am On Feb 05
IbeOkehie:
I don't know what to tell you again, but your commentary just keeps bringing me back.


If you say so.


Of course they don't want to release their accounts. Because it would reveal corruption. Again the question - WHAT IS THE CAUSE OF CORRUPTION? The major cause of corruption I can think of in the CBN are:

1) Subsidized loans like the Anchor Borrowers Scheme. The beneficiaries are not going to pay and food prices are general proof they didn't invest in production anyway. Like I said, subsidies promote corruption.

2) Forex round tipping. Everyone knows this. WHY DOES IT HAPPEN? It happens because the government has imposed REGULATED pricing for the forex market. So those working at CBN naturally take advantage.

From the above, the SOLUTION to corruption at the CBN is simple and straight forward - abolish all subsidies and regulated prices. Why is this so hard to understand? Sheeesh!!! There's no OFFICIAL PRICE different from PARALLEL PRICE of forex in the USA or UK or Norway. Have you traded forex before? The price you get trading on your personal forex account is the same thing the government gets. When Nigeria starts doing that, corruption will be greatly reduced at the CBN.


My friend, why do I have to describe everything in miniature detail? This is a simple matter. The problem here is DIVERSITY, lack of a dominant ethnicity. One way to REDUCE this is through regionalism, regional autonomy. Like the USA has for states and the UK has for it's component nations. It's not rocket science.


No, corruption wouldn't be possible in the first place without GOVERNMENT OWNERSHIP AND CONTROL. In the case of CBN and other central banks, they have a monopoly on the production of money and they can do it out of thin air, from nothing. Well, the markets have come up with an INNOVATIVE way to ABOLISH central banks and so make money completely immune from fiat impulses. How? Blockchain based cryptocurrencies like BITCOIN and ETHERIUM.

Basically, if Nigeria wants to abolish the CBN, adopt bitcoin. Since government will lose it's monopoly over currency, that Senator's daughter will have to go get a job elsewhere. This EMPLOYMENT CORRUPTION is the basic reason Northern APC politicians are so desperate to recreate Nigeria Airways. So there it is again, I've proved it - CORRUPTION ONLY EXISTS BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF AN INDUSTRY or due to GOVERNMENT REGULATED PRICES.

This is an interesting one. So you think the US should also abolish their treasury and Bank of England should be abolished all in favour of crypto? Who then takes over the functions of these central agencies in a crypto world? I fear for your principles o. They are becoming extremely fundamentalist like those of the socialists you denounce.


Dear Sir, it doesn't have to be an absolute. There's no country or industry or sector with ZERO corruption, the real issue is the preponderance or incidence of it. How to REDUCE corruption to a minimum. Come on man! Here's the simple question I'd like you to answer, please don't avoid it. Between publicly owned Universities and privately owned Universities, which are more corrupt, where is there more incidence of corruption?


I doubt that, but even if true I ask you again - between NITEL and the private owned telcos, which is more corrupt? Which once did Nigerians have more complaints about their corruption?
Private universities have less incidence of corruption because of less demand for them and that's to borrow from your principles. If they have to start catering for 25K+ jambites, 20K undergrads and over 5k postgraduate, you will see an uptick in their corruption. But to say they are better off than public universities is totally false. I have my facts. And I can see how you started making excuses for corruption in private institutions. Don't shift goalposts pls

Well one of the freest markets, yes. Norway and many Scandinavian nations have even freer markets. For example, Norway and Sweden have no minimum wage laws such as exist in the USA.


The protections of USA industries by the Obama Administration was wrong and it greatly harmed the USA economy. President Obama himself is a socialist inclined politician. In fact the 2008 Economic Crisis was caused by government regulations implemented in 1999 by President Bill Clinton. The USA government at that time FORCED banks to lend to unqualified borrowers for political reasons to secure Black votes for Bill Clinton. Try and read the whole article, it's very interesting. Note in particular this bit



https://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html
I see the US has been paying subsidies and bailouts since the 1980s to even thrift societies!! Yet they send IMF and WB to tell us how bad subsidies are. You realise this means even the society you so much lust after is built on subsidy!! I learnt something new today which further reinforces my belief. Thanx for that. In the 80s, Reagan was in office not so? Was he a socialist or why was he giving out subsidies and bailouts?


The USA and China are basically at war. When it comes to war, every rule is out the window. Don't be ridiculous. Huawei was suspected of bugging USA and Western telecoms networks. The USA does the same to China, which is why China is desperate to develop better civilian planes to compete with Boeing.

Read this -- https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/01/19/china-finds-bugs-on-jet-equipped-in-us/65089140-2afe-42e0-a377-ec8d4e5034ef/
Pls!! This is the most pedestrian excuse for I've heard from you. They are at war is why US is protecting its economy from being a dumping ground for Chinese goods? But I guess Nigeria is in love so we should open our labia up for countries of the world. US is still receiving imports from Russia as we speak!!


Russia is dominated by the Russian tribe....complete domination. There's other tribes like the Chechens, Jews and Turkmen in Russia too, but the Russians are dominant.

China is dominated and ruled by the Han tribe. In fact it's almost law in China that you can't become a high government official unless you're Han. On government websites, the tribal origin of government officials are listed.
This your tribal principle is alarming o. And I don't understand why you think tribal dominance or supremacy leads to economic prosperity. If I start to show you countries with tribal dominance but are dead poor, I'm sure you'll start making excuses again. It makes you sound like a tribal jingoist or puritan.



You're Nigerian. Surely you're familiar with the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria? You're a Nigerian with family ties and friends in that country. Do you know ANYONE with legal TITLE or DEED of ownership for any piece of land in Nigeria? Have you ever seen a CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY and read the fine print? Any educated person should know the difference between OWNERSHIP and OCCUPANCY.
Mtcheew. Dude. You're unaware you can obtain deed of ownership in some states. You're too fixated on Lekki. I have some with me. C of O means you own the land for 99 years and it's renewable so what's the fuss about. I actually thought you had something important o. Oga there are more Nigerian land owners than US land owners. That I can assure you. The 99 year mandate does not make you less of an owner. There are lands that have belonged to families for over hundred years in Nigeria, pre-colonial times and I've not heard any of them lose their lands. Pls don't be alarmist or reductionist. Besides, you're beating Nigeria for a system it copied from UK as vestige of colonialism or are your unaware the King statutorily owns ALL land in UK?

Besides section 43 of the constitution allows for land ownership in Nigeria.

There's a difference between IMF and WB loans. And IBB has not repudiated SAP in my view. If he ever did, it's due to pressure from the Nigerian public. Here's a recent interview given by IBB in this year 2024. Are you concerned that the Naira side by side the Dollar
Oga, I gave you cogent link showing IBB announcing the failure of SAP and you're still arguing and blaming pressure from bloody civilians for a military head of state's public confession? Haba na

It says a lot. But I think we can address it. Production. Once people can produce a lot of things that they can easily sell, either by export or within the country I think it will stabilize.

How can that production come about? You have unemployment rate of about 33%. You have a huge youth population that is almost 70% of the Nigerian population. And yet Nigeria is the poverty capital of the world.

There is too much control in the way the economy is being run. We should open it further. If we do that and tap the God given talent of the Nigerian people I think we will go far.\

https://timeafricamagazine.com/interview-honest-truth-general-ibrahim-badamasi-babangida-rtd-former-military-head-of-state-of-nigeria/


The last answer, bolded for emphasis, says it all. IBB is saying Nigeria needs more SAP....more privatization of commercial entities and resources, more deregulation of prices, more removal of subsidies, more free markets.

But when have the Nigerian people ever had reasonable views and choices on their country? This is the same population that elected Muhammadu Buhari to be their President because he told them "there is nothing like fuel subsidy, it doesn't exist".
Oga abeg take a rest, Nigerians are a low IQ populace, they don't know jack. That's why their country is the Poverty Capital of the World and will remain so for a loooong time to come.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

Lol. A sentence on productivity means more SAP. Baba IBB dropped SAP in the toilet. He's not taking about SAP and I'm sure he was talking about Buhari and his constrictive economic policies. Anyways, I don't take kindly to people insulting Nigerians. It's a cheapshot and totally uncalled for. Nigerians are hardworking. Why blame them for poverty in the land when they have irresponsible leaders. You can blame them for docility but it's a cultural thing not natural. Besides, Nigerians are not homogeneous. So herd mentality can't be blame instead manipulations along ethnic lines seems more like the main culprit.
Have a good day

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Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by Agboriotejoye(m): 8:13am On Feb 05
Gerrard59:


You have done so well explaining facts so clearly, but why it has been difficult to accept it is funny. You mentioned racial/ethnic dominance countless time, but the fellow finds it hard to grasp. Mind-boggling to say. Well done. I don't know how old you are, but maybe for posterity and philanthropic sake, think about lecturing at a public university in Nigeria, preferably the East for free. Lecture on economics and international relations.

Regarding ownership of land, you mean the 99-year lease? If so, then yes, Nigerians don't own land. Rather it is on lease.
As for bank bailouts, well, proponents say it is good as big banks or companies are too big to fail as the effects on the economy would be catastrophic. Yes, Obama is a socialist just like the rest of the Democratic Party.

In a diverse country as Nigeria, unadulterated capitalism is the best economic system. Socialism, not even communism, can only work in homogeneous societies. Even with that, the population should not be more than 5 million and they should have a bountiful amount of natural resources. It is always funny and borderline annoying when I read black people loathe capitalism.
Can you and IbeOkehie explain the relationship between ethnic dominance and economic prosperity?
Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by nairalanda1(m): 8:59am On Feb 05
EmekaA125:

What's your point??

That you love Taylor Swift. wink
Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by Gerrard59(m): 9:07am On Feb 05
Agboriotejoye:

Can you and IbeOkehie explain the relationship between ethnic dominance and economic prosperity?

Gerrard59:


Culture and ethnic/racial demographics play major roles in nation-building, prosperity and cohesion. The vast majority of cultures in Nigeria are not pragmatic, egalitarian, enterprising, hard-working and promote integrity. Additionally, Nigeria has too many ethnic groups, creating a divisive society full of mistrust, disharmony and disunity. Looking at examples globally, the most successful/prosperous societies are those where the dominant ethnic/racial group promotes pragmatism, egalitarianism, entrepreneurship, hard work and integrity. In return, the most homogenous out of them tend to be the most successful, peaceful and safest as this homogeneity endears trust, peace and harmony. Examples abound globally and within Africa. So if you expect component parts of Nigeria to be prosperous, you know what should be done.

Not all groups promote pragmatism and entrepreneurship. Some groups have socialist ideas and abhor profit-making, so they become poorer. Any group that abhors or loathes profit making is bound to be poor, no ifs or buts. A simple way to know a prosperous country is by checking the list of countries under the US Visa Waiver Program: those countries are prosperous. Prosperity begets safety, as almost everyone is doing well economically. China or Russia, which we know why aren't members of the VWP, have dominant racial/ethnic groups. This means having a consensus on how the country or things should be is very easy compared to Nigeria.

Even for less developed countries - India vs Pakistan. The very reason why the former outperforms the latter is because of those factors - dominant racial/religious group. It is the very reason nuclear families prosper in the long run compared to polygamous counterparts - consensus, agreement, unity, cohesion, less bickering, togetherness etc. Even when the country is poor, just like many African countries, because of their ethnic dominance, they tend to be safe. However, some suffer conflicts because the dominant ethnic groups or competing groups are belligerent in nature. All cultures are not equal; some are more equal than others.

As Ibe said, some countries have all, some have just two, but those who have all tend to be the most prosperous and safest.

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Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by lastkingsman: 9:42am On Feb 05
Gerrard59:


Me wey sabi all the sex styles in this world? shocked I love women's bodies. I really do. If I write on the art and science of sexual intercourse eh. grin

Chai chai chai.

Na your research topic for Japan be this? grin
Re: Tinubu, Nigeria Is Sinking And Streets Are Full Of Tears- Kperogi by Gerrard59(m): 9:42am On Feb 05
Agboriotejoye:


Private universities have less incidence of corruption because of less demand for them and that's to borrow from your principles. If they have to start catering for 25K+ jambites, 20K undergrads and over 5k postgraduate, you will see an uptick in their corruption. But to say they are better off than public universities is totally false. I have my facts. And I can see how you started making excuses for corruption in private institutions. Don't shift goalposts pls

This is akin to saying Exxon Mobil is more corrupt than NNPC. Private ownership of businesses leads to reduced corruption as there are consequences for those ill actions. It is why private firms that go bankrupt as a result of financial mismanagement do so because there are lax managerial controls in place. If not, why are privately owned companies the most profitable in the world? Even in China, privately owned firm outcompete State Owned Enterprises. If not for government subsidies, SOEs would have failed. And as mentioned countless times here, the reason SOEs can work in China, Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Singapore is because these societies have one dominant ethnic group professing the same religious beliefs. It is the very reason Temasek exists but nothing like that in Nigeria. Or the Norwegian Investment fund thrives: homogeneity.

Another example is Covenant University vs Madonna University; both are privately owned, but one promoted freedom in academic expression, applied capitalism to its tenants, and sought for the brightest academic staff. In summary, the very reason private enterprises succeed is because profit making: once profit making potentials are at risk, the management moves into action to protect their investments. Apart from legal tussles, conflicts and targeted governmental policies, private firms that fail do so because of mismanagement. No one is arguing that corruption does not or would not exist. Corruption is an integral part of humans. Humans can be corrupt if the conditions are present.

Pls!! This is the most pedestrian excuse for I've heard from you. They are at war is why US is protecting its economy from being a dumping ground for Chinese goods? But I guess Nigeria is in love so we should open our labia up for countries of the world. US is still receiving imports from Russia as we speak!!


The reason the West aka white man countries are against China is simply for global hegemony. Nothing else. It is a fight for global superiority. The West is not happy China has progressed to the extent its position is being challenged. It has nothing to do with dumping of goods. If not, why has the US bullied the Netherlands to instruct ASML not to sell to China? Wouldn't it be nice to dump etching machines in the Chinese market?
More has been explained here: https://www.nairaland.com/7801886/multipolarism-versus-hegemonism-great-power

This your tribal principle is alarming o. And I don't understand why you think tribal dominance or supremacy leads to economic prosperity. If I start to show you countries with tribal dominance but are dead poor, I'm sure you'll start making excuses again. It makes you sound like a tribal jingoist or puritan.


I have explained this already. Ibe calls it protection of property rights. I call it enterprising. Once you protect private rights and as a group, you promote profit making, prosperity is bound to happen. Going forward, as a diverse society, reduce government ownership of property. The government has no business in business. Mention one thriving government owned enterprise that you know? Again, I have explained this above.

Mtcheew. Dude. You're unaware you can obtain deed of ownership in some states. You're too fixated on Lekki. I have some with me. C of O means you own the land for 99 years and it's renewable so what's the fuss about. I actually thought you had something important o. Oga there are more Nigerian land owners than US land owners. That I can assure you. The 99 year mandate does not make you less of an owner. There are lands that have belonged to families for over hundred years in Nigeria, pre-colonial times and I've not heard any of them lose their lands. Pls don't be alarmist or reductionist. Besides, you're beating Nigeria for a system it copied from UK as vestige of colonialism or are your unaware the King statutorily owns ALL land in UK?

That is where you lie. Any land which is yours for 99 years is not owned by you, but on lease. Singaporeans know this too well. After the lease expires, the government can take your land because it is by law. You own a land when it is freehold.

Lol. A sentence on productivity means more SAP. Baba IBB dropped SAP in the toilet. He's not taking about SAP and I'm sure he was talking about Buhari and his constrictive economic policies. Anyways, I don't take kindly to people insulting Nigerians. It's a cheapshot and totally uncalled for. Nigerians are hardworking. Why blame them for poverty in the land when they have irresponsible leaders. You can blame them for docility but it's a cultural thing not natural. Have a good day

In 2015, the majority of Nigerians went out to vote for an incompetent feudalist whose livelihood of cattle rearing defied basic economic and biological principles. How can people vote for a man whose antecedents dated to 1984 showed he was thoroughly inept and unintelligent? The 2015 election was largely free and fair, so it is a mendacious tale to state that Nigerians are intelligent people. In 2019, they repeated the same thing and further etched it by electing the same party in 2023 which plunged the country into two recessions. Oga, how is that intelligence?! You mentioned leaders as if the leaders are different from the people. Nigerians deserve the leaders they get. These leaders emanate from the population. They were not imported. You cannot give what you don't have.

Besides, Nigerians are not homogeneous. So herd mentality can't be blame instead manipulations along ethnic lines seems more like the main culprit.

You knew this, yet you are arguing on how ethnic dominance leads to prosperity? So, how come Namibians or Ghanaians cannot be deceived along ethnic lines? When the economy of Ghana got terrible, Ghanaians went to the streets protesting. No one mentioned ethnicity. But during ENDSARS, Igbos were accused of fostering the protests because they "wanted to burn Lagos". There were few protests in the north, all by Northern Christians. When OccupyNigeria reigned, there was none of such throughout the south east and south south. Yes, I remember Ngozi Okonjo said the economy was bleeding 350BN naira daily, but because there weren't protests in Eastern Nigeria (south east and south south), the economy was still OK. OccupyNigeria only happened in the SW and Muslim North.

So, how can such a country prosper when there are divergent opinions?

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