chrisley024:
No, Arsenal were still in race even after Santi injury. It was as if they were not missing him. They lost it by being their usual Arsenal bottling coy The same cycle they go through every season.

TheNonce:




Ogbeni! Go and treat that your "unsettled stomach"! Andrew liver salt price never dey affected by dollar yet!


Bad belle can kill you know?

Diademk07:

Not true.
His replacement, Ramsey was so awful. To the extent that Arsenal had no option than to sign Elneny..

chrisley024:
What's not true?. At least you can use Google. Elneny was gotten cos of injuries mainly to Coquelin. Arsenal was still in the race until their usual bummer February came.

Infact, after Santi last game for Arsenal against Norwich which ended 1-1, they were 4th, 2 points behind City(1st) and Leicester(2nd)and a point behind us.

After their 2nd leg against Leicester, they were 3rd, 2 points behind Leicester and on level point with Spurs.

They lost it ending of Feb, when they lost to our youngsters, and early March against Swansea(2 straight losses); we all know these are their usual calamitous months.

elampiro:

I ran into some Arsenal fans, I heard them saying United would have beaten West Ham comfortably if Fellaini was available. They said United lost the match to aerial battle and physical battle.

I think when we are buying players again, height and ability to jump, head, run, should be considered along other qualities. Gaal said we have the smallest players in the league.

We were very poor in defending and attacking set plays last season. This season is even worse. Few goals from set plays, and many goals conceded from set plays. I remember two matches in almost same period when we conceded very late goals immediately Fellaini was substituted, one of the matches was against Leicester. At the end those needless points dropped came back to hurt us.

I have a feeling if we had 80-90% of our senior players fit all the time, we could have won the league. We didn't concede from set play when Luke Shaw was fit and we had almost the whole team fit.

elampiro:

We didn't concede from set play when [b]Luke Shaw [/b]was fit and we had almost the whole team fit.

Diademk07:

Elnemy played inspite of Coquelin presence.
Also, did you even see what you posted?
Arsenal were 2 point from the top spot. They amassed more points with Cazorla than without him. I'm sure with him, they would had still been growing stronger when other team collapsed.

elampiro:

I ran into some Arsenal fans, I heard them saying United would have beaten West Ham comfortably if Fellaini was available. They said United lost the match to aerial battle and physical battle.

I think when we are buying players again, height and ability to jump, head, run, should be considered along other qualities. Gaal said we have the smallest players in the league.

We were very poor in defending and attacking set plays last season. This season is even worse. Few goals from set plays, and many goals conceded from set plays. I remember two matches in almost same period when we conceded very late goals immediately Fellaini was substituted, one of the matches was against Leicester. At the end those needless points dropped came back to hurt us.

I have a feeling if we had 80-90% of our senior players fit all the time, we could have won the league. We didn't concede from set play when Luke Shaw was fit and we had almost the whole team fit.

GBR1:

We wouldn't have won the league even if everyone remained fit. Please don't do this to yourself.

elampiro:

Rashford among England 26 man provisional squad. He was involved in our two goals against West Ham, I think that's why Roy Hodgson changed his mind after initially ruling him out. Roy was in the stadium that night.

I think England will miss Dany Welbeck. He is the only one who play differently in that attack (wing and central attack). Most of the rest can easily lose the ball and have no work rate.

diggz:


I don't get the above. Luke shaw as how?

TheNonce:





Forget welbeck! He's out for a very long time! That's spilt condensed milk right now!



If hodgson has any sense/balls he would start "vardy and kane" at the euros and leave "rooney" and "sturridge" on the bench! That's if he decides they should go with a front 2 in a 442 system!



Those 2 are the form players in the team!

GBR1:

We wouldn't have won the league even if everyone remained fit. Please don't do this to yourself.

chrisley024:
Exactly what I wanted to say. It wouldn't have stopped LvG from his normal experiments. It was obvious also we have a weak attack.

On the height issue, what we need is mainly height in defence though it is more than that in defending set pieces. The tactics and set up are very important.

elampiro:


We fought ourselves to top of the league the only time we have about 90% players fit.

We started the season with some injuries, but when everyone came back (except Shaw) we went to the top. We had played the top teams at the time, we were looking to win all our matches in December (easy fixtures) when injuries hit the team. No thanks to Gaal who ensured we prosecuted the league with fewest first team players.

We fell back on such players who were not psychologically ready for first team war, Love, Jackson, Pereira, Wilson, McNair. We supplemented these kids with players who ordinary should be in our bench, Darmian, Lingard, Mephis.

We lost easy matches in December and January. That was it.

Diademk07:

Good technical players would always look excellent in LVg system.
Only the average and the brainless one fails.
I've watched majority of Schneiderlin Southampton clips on youtube and all it was about were his tackles, aggression, energy and the odd goals. His passing skills, dribbling and techniques in crowded space were quite average. What do you expect when he's playing in a team which often encounter opposition that allows limited space due to their high pressing and defensive tactic?
As a matter of fact, Schneiderlin has displayed his southmpton performance for us whenever he gets deployed as a box-box CM. Hence, you can't say anyone has ruined him.
There's also Di Maria, a brainless failed winger at Madrid converted into a makeshift box-box CM to gain some reputation and everyone thinks he's a worldclass already.
How bout Depay? Another Ryan Babel who was already playing shite for his national team even before we got him.
And Herrera, the spanish Cleverley who only knows how to make horizontal 5 yard passes.
If the players are good enough, nothing would stop them from showing how good they are. Do you think talented players playing for small clubs who park the ball all game would fail to show their quality? How do you think we got Roy Keane etc?

GBR1:
We were once on top the PL table but i remember that some other teams had outstanding matches to play an that was the reason. I doubt we were ever 1st position after every team playing the same number of matches. You are really overrating our performances in the beginning of the season. We were stumbling to 1-0 wins, struggling to score goals in various matches, especially in the first half and we had silly results like drawing to Newcastle at home, getting done away by Swansea who later sacked their coach when it was obvious they were battling relegation. Shaw injury happened in mid September and didn't really affect our results because our collapse was fated in December. These events are not synonymous with a title challenger.
So far some of those kids have performed better than who they replaced. See Rashford and Rooney for example.
Darmian and Memphis were starters in United team during the time we had good results( August-December) so i don't know what you are on about here by saying they should have been on the bench. And remind me who was our CF during this period? It was the same old Rooney who was struggling to score goals and you believed he would have led us to the title with his goals as a CF when he has never performed such an act in a title winning United team with even better players. Or was it a rookie in the then 19 old Martial who just arrived in a new league that you expected to do that? We were struggling to beat relegation contender FFS, struggling with goals and stumbling to wins. That was when Old trafford started booing LVG. We got steamrolled 3-0 by Arsenal in that same period and you're deluding yourself thinking we were good then. It was only a matter of time the wins stopped coming and the goals dried up even more.
This is too easy for me. Our first XI( even with everyone fit) was not good enough to win the league. No amount of revisionism from you can change that.

elampiro:




We were top of the league on November 21st, after all the outstanding matches were played, only Leicester were able to overtake us. So we were second. Considering the gap we covered at the time from lower position we instally occupied, we were destined for favorite to win the league. Our next opponent was Leicester away, Rojo, Valencia and Jones had suffered injuries in three successive matches just before that game. Valencia in 0-0 draw with City, Jones in 2-1 over Watford. Valencia was our best player against City, and Jones absence was immediately felt when he left the pitch against Watford.

Against Leceister, Vardy went to play on the side of Blind. Once Blind went to take corner kick, Vardy capitalised and scored from a counter. Something that wouldn't have been possible if we had Valencia in right back instead of McNair.

After the Leicester game we went 5 matches without winning a match.
We drew West Ham
Lost to Bournemout
Lost to Norwich
Lost to Stoke
Drew struggling Chelsea

We took 2 points out of 15. This was when Valencia, Jones, Rojo, Rooney got injured. Then Schweinsteiger and Young soon joined.


Also, ehen we went to the top of the league, Mephis and Darmain were not regular. Valencia was our right back while Martial was sent to left wing on Rooney's return from two match absence due to injury. Rooney missed one UCL game and one league match, then Martial played 9 while Mephis played 11. But on his return, Mephis was dropped, also Blind was dropped for Phil Jones.

-How do you mean we were scoring just a goal per match. Look at out form on the attached screenshot. Also, Rooney had hit form in the second half of the season scoring or/and assisting in every match for about 8*matches before he went out completely. If not for the injury he surely would have continued in that form. And we were getting results that period too, even as we were still without our key defenders.

GBR1:

Simple question; were we ever top of the the table after every team had played the same number of matches? NO we were simply never capable of that. We never actually lead the PL table for even a week, and that's a fact. Correct me if i'm wrong. So how could we have won the league when we never looked capable of doing it just for once even with the full squad as you claimed?
Confirm yourself.
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matchday/league-table.html?season=2015-2016&timelineView=played&matchNo=14&tableView=CURRENT_STANDINGS

Memphis and Darmian were as regular as it got. Do you want me to state the number of matches they started?
I don't know the exact moments these injuries occurred but i remembered clearly they were never at the same time. I would get back to you on this when i can confirm this.

Why did you include other competitions? Cold feet already?
We're strictly discussing the PL here bro and now you're gonna get exposed.
Before our collapse to Bournemouth in December, we scored 20 goals in 15 matches. That's about 1.3 goals per game and that's average at best. You don't win PL titles with such a poor goal average. We failed to score any goal in 4 matches and scored a single goal in another 4 matches only during that period. We failed to score in the 1st half of so many games. In general we weren't as good in scoring as you are trying to falsely claim. See my screenshots attached as proof.

[img]http://cs630227.vk.me/v630227248/2ac01/_2euLdgrWVQ.jpg[/img]
[img]http://cs630227.vk.me/v630227248/2ac0b/j2HsclmDGoY.jpg[/img]

elampiro:


Why are you acting confused?

1. I told you we scored plenty goals when everyone was fit. That is why I gave you fixtures from mid September to November.

2. When considered that we fought our way from lower positions when we had injuries, to the top of the league when we had fit defenders, then we could have gone to win the league if everyone stayed fit.

3. We recovered the gap between us and Leicester, City, Arsenal and West Ham within a short time when we had fit players, we close the gap and overtook everyone. If we had Jones and Valencia we should have beaten Leicester to go top permanently the next week. Even during Ferguson, we always came from behind to go top around Christmas. Injuries and trimmed squad ruined it.

4. Darmian and Mephis were not regular that period. Mephis was sent to the bench by Marital as Rooney took top 9. Valencia went to right back, although Darmain had occasional appearances on the left.

However, no matter the arrangement of players, there is no disputing the fact that we got our best results that period.

GBR1:
Who is acting confused? You said we scored plenty of goals in the PL during that period and i just proved you wrong. How can you consider those goals ''plenty''? Then you claimed we could have won the title that way. That's so erroneous.
This is full bullsh1t. I have proved we weren't capable when everyone was fit and you're inferring nonsense from falsehood.
LVG is not Fergie. How do you even come up with these bizarre assumptions? Such ''IFs'' and IFs. We have never won 7 games in a row with LVG. Our best run is just 6 games, it's 100% we lose or draw after that. He's simply not capable on going on those kind of runs that can win us the league or help us in recovering positions. So stop making baseless assumptions.
Memphis started every PL game i think got dropped in the Everton (October) game but afterwards he still started games like Watford and had a lot of cameos in that period. He was quite regular, fact!
Darmian had Valencia out of the team for as long as could rememeber. Valencia only replaced him some halfs/sometimes when Darmian is playing poorly or getting skinned by ''tricksy'' wingers. He was a regular in that period we discussed, Fact!

elampiro:
^^^

I counted 24 goals in 12 matches and this guy said WE WERE POOR IN SCORING.

dubylhover:
www.goal.com/en-gb/news/11562/transfer-talk/2016/05/17/23616562/rumours-de-gea-to-quit-man-utd-if-van-gaal-stays

I wholeheartedly support ddg on this..lvg doesnt worth it...some lvg fanatics would soon come up and call ddg shite if he leaves

capricornian:


I support him as well... I have not met any fan that will not support him. People are already tired just that they waiting for FA Cup. Don't think a protest against LVG will be worth it now

dubylhover:
www.goal.com/en-gb/news/11562/transfer-talk/2016/05/17/23616562/rumours-de-gea-to-quit-man-utd-if-van-gaal-stays

I wholeheartedly support ddg on this..lvg doesnt worth it...some lvg fanatics would soon come up and call ddg shite if he leaves