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Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by Kobojunkie: 1:59pm On May 20, 2012
samstradam:

Sad but true.

It seems poor Frank is one of the many people we have in this country with qualifications but insufficient understanding.

I don't think it is the case that Frank does not know how to effectively translate what was said. Like many of the posters on here, I think he was being disingenuous. And probably thought he could try to pull the English language, and probably the Bible, down with him.

I would not want a teacher like that teaching my kids. We already have way too many of them in the system. As that I believe is the reason for the mass failures.
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by aljharem(m): 1:59pm On May 20, 2012
LOL I can see Jamine and Funkeymallam watching grin grin grin grin

I would respectfully like to read what these two say (no disrespect wink)
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by 4evergod3: 2:00pm On May 20, 2012
manny4life: @ Topic,

I will say it like I see it.

According to the President, something must have gone wrong along the line from 1914 when the Southern and Northern Protectorate amalgamated till date, stressing that the problem of Nigeria did not start today.

If it's true that Mr. President did make this comment, then I'm of the opinion that his statement here does not express doubt about the foundation of the North/South Amalgamation. The man said from 1914 till date (after the fact), NOT during or before the amalgamation. Yes, though the foundation (amalgamation) started on the right footing, but along the way, something went wrong. The ground foundation isn't the issue, but the journey after 2nd floor to 50th floor is the problem. Now, if he expressed that the foundation (amalgamation)itself was a problem, that's a totally different scenario, but unfortunately, that's not the case here

Dude even a JSS1 student knows the problems of Nigeria. Identifying a problem is halfway to solving it. Even GEJ knows the problem of Nigeria. The issue he is having now is the issue of solving it. He is mysteriously clueless in that regard.

Before the Oil boom we had agriculture right? who talked about North and south back then? nobody! simply because the basic needs of the average Nigerian was being met. Here comes the Oil boom and suddenly greed and selfishness pervades the land and that usshers in the ugly struggle for power heralding the birth of PDP. That is your problem. NOW SOLVE IT!

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Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by manny4life(m): 2:00pm On May 20, 2012
@shymmex,

the issue "of what he said" is not the problem, but the issue with some on here is how he said it and how it constitutes treason, which to me, I do not agree it was any treasonable. Although, I will agree that problem did not start in 1914, it started right after independence.
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by Beaf: 2:02pm On May 20, 2012
I'm gonna ask again:
Why are lovers of the status quo scared shiitless when they hear 1914? Just asking. grin grin grin
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by ballabriggs: 2:02pm On May 20, 2012
So who is heating up the polity with such an unintelligent statement? I hope Mettuh and the other thugs would call a press conference. If he is clueless about what to do then he should exit the place. The World is embracing multiculturalism. Those who don't accept it like this dummy of a President would be left behind.
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by 4evergod3: 2:03pm On May 20, 2012
Beaf: I'm gonna ask again:
Why are lovers of the status quo scared shiitless when they hear 1914? Just asking. grin grin grin

tsk tsk tsk. Porky. so you never learn from the b-itchslapping i give you yesterday. So you have graduated from talking fish to talking goats now eh? I go use your goat talk do Asun now. just watch me.
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by manny4life(m): 2:04pm On May 20, 2012
4evergod3:

Dude even a JSS1 student knows the problems of Nigeria. Identifying a problem is halfway to solving it. Even GEJ knows the problem of Nigeria. The issue he is having now is the issue of solving it. He is mysteriously clueless in that regard.

Before the Oil boom we had agriculture right? who talked about North and south back then? nobody! simply because the basic needs of the average Nigerian was being met. Here comes the Oil boom and suddenly greed and selfishness pervades the land and that usshers in the ugly struggle for power heralding the birth of PDP. That is your problem. NOW SOLVE IT!


Well, if you knew what my argument has been, you would know I'm not arguing same thing you're asking me to "SOLVE IT", like seriously solve what? I'm identifying OP claims as FALSE in accusing the president of treason , you're here talking about Oil boom and agriculture, when we get tot hat road, we'll cross it

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Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by niddamugu(m): 2:04pm On May 20, 2012
Now that GEJ has, going by his words, identified the problem with the country - what is the way forward? angry angry angry
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by Blackteeth(m): 2:05pm On May 20, 2012
Abali1:

Saying that something is wrong with Americas politics is not the same as saying that something is wrong with the formation/creation of the American State.
GEJ, is not an ordinary citezen of Nigeria to make anyhow stateent without weiighing the consequences, if Truth be told He is Supposed to be the Last Man Standing when issues that threatens the Unity of the country comes up.
For Gods sake he is the PRESIDENT OF NIGERIA, and not the President of South-South.
He is their son but our PRESIDENT.
The American politicqal system was established during the country's creation. so criticizing the political system also means criticizing the nation's foundation.

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Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by Nobody: 2:05pm On May 20, 2012
Kobojunkie:

Again, please learn to remove yourself and your feelings from these issues. It does not help whatever point you are attempting to make. I can't parse all that and connect it in anyway to the topic that this thread is for.

There is nothing like feelings here, What i said is the real fact or is there any line with emotional attachment there. You cant even answer one of my question there.
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by Nobody: 2:06pm On May 20, 2012
manny4life: @shymmex,
the issue "of what he said" is not the problem, but the issue with some on here is how he said it and how it constitutes treason, which to me, I do not agree it was any treasonable. Although, I will agree that problem did not start in 1914, it started right after independence.

I think the OP said it's treasonable because the polity is hot right now - and the president of the country shouldn't make that type of statement, when everyone is clamouring for disintegration... It's just like adding fuel to fire IMO...

The president has also shown that he doesn't really think before he speaks.. Statements like that would only heat up the polity IMO.
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by Beaf: 2:06pm On May 20, 2012
4evergod3:

Dude even a JSS1 student knows the problems of Nigeria. Identifying a problem is halfway to solving it. Even GEJ knows the problem of Nigeria. The issue he is having now is the issue of solving it. He is mysteriously clueless in that regard.

Before the Oil boom we had agriculture right? who talked about North and south back then? nobody! simply because the basic needs of the average Nigerian was being met. Here comes the Oil boom and suddenly greed and selfishness pervades the land and that usshers in the ugly struggle for power heralding the birth of PDP. That is your problem. NOW SOLVE IT!

That is what needs correcting. No country survives on parasitism, as it is Nigeria has almost sucked its own vitality to the bone, led by lovers of the status quo like yourself, who represent parasitic indolence and want the country just the way it is.
Why would the mention of 1914 cause such distress in you if you are productive? It would only cause pains if you are a parasite and security threat. Seen?

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Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by 4evergod3: 2:07pm On May 20, 2012
manny4life:


Well, if you knew what my argument has been, you would know I'm not arguing same thing you're asking me to "SOLVE IT", like seriously solve what? I'm identifying OP claims as FALSE in accusing the president of treason , you're here talking about Oil boom and agriculture, when we get tot hat road, we'll cross it

Dude i am way ahead of you. I am looking beyond what GEJ said. Since he is clueless as usual regarding our problems and how to solve them i wanted to help him out. SOLVE IT! is for GEJ and not you. English Bro..English
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by Nobody: 2:07pm On May 20, 2012
Beaf: I'm gonna ask again:
Why are lovers of the status quo scared shiitless when they hear 1914? Just asking. grin grin grin

Answer my question, olodo... grin

Was Southern Cameroon part of Nigeria in 1914 - YES or NO
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by Kobojunkie: 2:08pm On May 20, 2012
gboss4sure:

There is nothing like feelings here, What i said is the real fact or is there any line with emotional attachment there. You cant even answer one of my question there.

I am sorry but all you have been offering me is your PERSONAL FEELINGS and not much else. I cannot work with that.

And please stop confusing your personal opinions/feelings on this with the facts.
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by 4evergod3: 2:09pm On May 20, 2012
Beaf:

That is what needs correcting. No country survives on parasitism, as it is Nigeria has almost sucked its own vitality to the bone, led by lovers of the status quo like yourself, who represent parasitic indolence and want the country just the way it is.
Why would the mention of 1914 cause such distress in you if you are productive? It would only cause pains if you are a parasite and security threat. Seen?

Porky Multiculturalism is the order of the day now in most countries. Hell USA is built on it and they overcame their problems even the so called racist United Kingdom has embraced it and here you are taking sides with a man who cannot see what direction time is moving. Perhaps you are just like him as they say birds of a feather,.........
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by Beaf: 2:10pm On May 20, 2012
shymmex:

I think the OP said it's treasonable because the polity is hot right now - and the president of the country shouldn't make that type of statement, when everyone is clamouring for disintegration... It's just like adding fuel to fire IMO...

The president has also shown that he doesn't really think before he speaks.. Statements like that would only heat up the polity IMO.

Sadly, your opinion doesn't count.
Especially as you specialise in running silly commentaries from peckam, without thinking it is necessary to come home to know your village and learn your culture.

How many weeks of your life have you spent in Nigeria if ever?
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by 4evergod3: 2:11pm On May 20, 2012
shymmex:

Answer my question, olodo... grin

Was Southern Cameroon part of Nigeria in 1914 - YES or NO

NA PORKY YOU DEY ASK THAT QUESTION? THE GUY BLANK. NA WASTE OF BRAIN SPACE. MAYBE HE IS WRITING HIS THESIS USING THIS MEDIUM AND TRYING TO GATHER FACTS THROUGH THIS.
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by manny4life(m): 2:11pm On May 20, 2012
shymmex:

I think the OP said it's treasonable because the polity is hot right now - and the president of the country shouldn't make that type of statement, when everyone is clamouring for disintegration... It's just like adding fuel to fire IMO...

The president has also shown that he doesn't really think before he speaks.. Statements like that would only heat up the polity IMO.


Well, that's not what I understood from @egift statement on pg0, what egift argued was that the actual comment insinuated that it was treason. I agree such statements aren't conducive and fuel fire, but making a statement whether hot or not shouldn't constitute treason. The action should constitute treason NOT the timing.


4evergod3:

Dude i am way ahead of you. I am looking beyond what GEJ said. Since he is clueless as usual regarding our problems and how to solve them i wanted to help him out. SOLVE IT! is for GEJ and not you. English Bro..English

I can see how fast tracked you are... unfortunately, look for someone else who shares your view, because, obviously you and I do not share same view for this argument. While you you're looking beyond the statement, I'm not--- Deal with it man, for real.
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by ubazuo: 2:12pm On May 20, 2012
for real I dont think thr's anytin treasonable abt wot d guy said. GEJ is an emotional guy that's bn subjected to so mch pressure by the ppl he's leading because some Northern idiots are bent on rubbishing wotever effort d dood mks to better the situation of the country by giving us security problems all d time.

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Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by Beaf: 2:15pm On May 20, 2012
4evergod3:

Porky Multiculturalism is the order of the day now in most countries. Hell USA is built on it and they overcame their problems even the so called racist United Kingdom has embraced it and here you are taking sides with a man who cannot see what direction time is moving. Perhaps you are just like him as they say birds of a feather,.........

I expect answers that are actually intelligent. Are you a kid or what?

Only a fool would equate multiculturalism with exploitation and unashamed parasitism.
Why do you represent parasites? And why do you think your people should be kept as slaves and almajiri's forever? Why do you represent evil and death?

1914 is the problem, now lets deal with it. If we do not talk today, we will war tomorrow.

Again:
Why are lovers of the status quo scared shiitless when they hear 1914? Just asking. grin
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by ballabriggs: 2:15pm On May 20, 2012
Why must the President of Nigeria talk like Adolf Hitler of Germany? This is similar to the way Hitler spoke before the Second World War thus spreading hate among nations. Me thinks he is not stupid but he should reduce his alcohol intake, it is making him loose it. If he does not have the confidence to speak coherently in Public then he could do us a favour by keeping quiet and we would assume we have a dumb man as a President.
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by Nobody: 2:15pm On May 20, 2012
Beaf:
Sadly, your opinion doesn't count.
Especially as you specialise in running silly commentaries from peckam, without thinking it is necessary to come home to know your village and learn your culture.
How many weeks of your life have you spent in Nigeria if ever?

Why do you care if I ever lived in Nigeria or not?? The last time I checked, you don't have to live in Nigeria to be a proud Nigerian... I can proudly say I'm more Nigerian than most of the posters on NL who actually live in Nigeria - and I know more about Nigeria than them...

Just answer the question, mate. grin

- Was Southern Cameroon part of Nigeria in 1914 - YES or NO??

- Did the Brits ever complain about the country they amalgamated from 1914-1960 - YES or NO??

- Did we have a chance in 1959 to undo the union - just like Southern Cameroon in 1960 - YES or NO
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by aljharem(m): 2:16pm On May 20, 2012
anyone arguing with Beaf is wasting his time

He has no space in his brain to think along said others. It is either GEJ or Against GEJ

there is no in-between.

But one thing is still certain for those undying GEJ supporters.

Remember, GEJ would not be the president forever so please lets push OUR president to do the right thing.

Even critic like us might be wrong for criticising him and I Alj harem would admit it but all this sentiment around GEJ is not helping anyone. Fact !!!

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Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by Nobody: 2:18pm On May 20, 2012
manny4life:
Well, that's not what I understood from @egift statement on pg0, what egift argued was that the actual comment insinuated that it was treason. I agree such statements aren't conducive and fuel fire, but making a statement whether hot or not shouldn't constitute treason. The action should constitute treason NOT the timing.

If Awolowo and Anthony Enahoro could be charge for treason in the first republic for a similar statement - I think it's treasonable under the Nigerian law IMHO...
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by Johndoe100(m): 2:19pm On May 20, 2012
I see the internet Nigerians are at work again, insulting our president. Well thankfully you guys are safely irrelevant.
Meanwhile on the ground here progress is being made by thew GEJ administration on the problems caused by Yoruba and mallah past leaders. I urge all to join us as we transform the country.
@topic
Who gives a rats azz about what you are talking about? The only peeps that care are themselves irrelevant. Why don't you use your time more constructively? Join us in PDP let us build a better Nigeria.

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Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by jmaine: 2:20pm On May 20, 2012
alj harem: LOL I can see Jamine Jmaine and Funkeymallam watching grin grin grin grin

I would respectfully like to read what these two say (no disrespect wink)

I have said what needs to be said . . . the OP and his supporters need some real comprehension to do . .Are you among them . . cheesy
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by Nobody: 2:20pm On May 20, 2012
alj harem: anyone arguing with Beaf is wasting his time

He has no space in his brain to think along said others. It is either GEJ or Against GEJ

there is no in-between.

But one thing is still certain for those undying GEJ supporters.

Remember, GEJ would not be the president forever so please lets push OUR president to do the right thing.

Even critic like us might be wrong for criticising him and I Alj harem would admit it but all this sentiment around GEJ is not helping anyone. Fact !!!

GEJ has made too many blunders, and it shows he's not intelligent....

Didn't the same guy say boko haram was part of his government??

The guy is too timid, inarticulate, unintelligent, and unpragmatic to be the president of Nigeria, period.
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by Beaf: 2:20pm On May 20, 2012
shymmex:

Why do you care if I ever lived in Nigeria or not?? The last time I checked, you don't have to live in Nigeria to be a proud Nigerian... I can proudly say I'm more Nigerian than most of the posters on NL who actually live in Nigeria - and I know more about Nigeria than them...

Just answer the question, mate. grin

- Was Southern Cameroon part of Nigeria in 1914 - YES or NO??

- Did the Brits ever complain about the country they amalgamated from 1914-1960 - YES or NO??

- Did we have a chance in 1959 to undo the union - just like Southern Cameroon in 1960 - YES or NO

Do you actually expect the British would have complained about their divide and rule tactics. You are daft, bro.
Come home and learn about your village instead of reciting crap you learnt in your British school. You are lost and without an identity, you believe whites are better than you, so how can you even understand 1914?

Dude, 1914 is about discussing identity, which you sadly lack. Learn where your village is first before making a fool of yourself and asking daft questions.

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Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by Nobody: 2:22pm On May 20, 2012
Anyone who is a student of Nigerian history would know what GEJ is treasonable... Awolowo and Enahoro were charge with treason for making similar statements.... It's Nigeria for crying out loud, stop supporting stupidity.
Re: President Jonathan's Speech At Enugu Is Treasonable by manny4life(m): 2:22pm On May 20, 2012
shymmex:

If Awolowo and Anthony Enahoro could be charge for treason in the first republic for a similar statement - I think it's treasonable under the Nigerian law IMHO...


That depends on what type of "similar statement" we're talking about. Just because you're arrested, charged, but not convicted doesn't mean you did not commit the crime and vice versa, just because you're arrested, charged and convicted doesn't mean you committed the crime.

Me personally, IMHO, the statement was unguarded and uncalled for, I will rebuke Mr President when I have to, but does it call for treasonable offense, NO.

If president Obama expressed doubt there was a problem "after" the 13 Unions that gradually formed USA today, Congress, unianimously would have asked him to resign

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