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Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Dede1(m): 8:44pm On May 25, 2012
Beaf:

I told you to go find out who a particular name was, but you obviously want to avoid the discomfort of the truth in its plain nak'edness.
Biafra bungled their war effort terribly in the Midwest and that is the reason for the heaps of unjust lies. They felt the minorities were too small to talk to. You don't just invade a mans territory, execute people, cart some off to Enugu, hunt for the governor dead or alive and naively think that bad blood would not be generated.

Dude, someone phucked up and felt it was easier to tell a lie (afterall, it was against minorities who barely had a voice). That lie became propaganda and has since been repeated from father to son. Regardless, it remains a lie.
Take time out to study what really transpired in the Midwest; look at it with completely fresh eys and you would conclude that the story you have grown up to believe is ridiculous and cannot have any stretch of truth in it.


You sound funny talking about Biafra and minorities yet you forgot that minority ran the show in Biafra. From secretary of government, second in command, division commanders, brigade commanders, ambassadors, head of propaganda to commissioners were people from minority. I know one Urhobo Major who was a brigade commander in Biafra and was very close to Ojukwu. The major’s kids still live in Enugu as write this post. Please stop the crap about minority.

You have the same wrong notion about a mere permanent secretary in the ministry of trade and industry. If Biafra really wanted to do numbers on minorities in mid-western region, permanent secretary should not be the target.
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by PhysicsQED(m): 8:47pm On May 25, 2012
Dede1:
In fact, with urging of David Ejoor, Gowon relocated LGO under Adekunle to Escravos to be bloated into a brigade or possible a division.

Where is the evidence that Ejoor urged anybody to do anything? Can you please provide the book, professional article, or newspaper source that supports what you wrote here?

Also, David Ejoor procured the sea-craft LGO needed to launch amphibious operation on Ubani (Bonny) in eastern region of July 1967


Do you have a proper source for this claim? Or is this one of those instances where Omoigui suddenly becomes infallible? The same Omoigui that stated quite matter-of-factly that plans to invade the Midwest had already been made before Biafra was declared, not after an assault on Bonny.
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by PhysicsQED(m): 8:50pm On May 25, 2012
Dede1:

Please check with Nigerian army

How? (I'm not being sarcastic. I do in fact want to know the names of the soldiers at Escravos in order to determine the extent of each ethnic group's participation.)
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Nobody: 8:50pm On May 25, 2012
Logic Mind:

Which is why we wanted to be on our own!
MASSOB!

Leave us alone.

[size=55pt]LONG LIVE THE PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF BIAFRA![/size]

amen! and long live ojukwu the head of state!
dude biafra is as dead as ojukwu's manhood!
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Dede1(m): 8:53pm On May 25, 2012
Beaf:

Oga Dede, nobody did anything in Escravos before the invasion of the Midwest.

It does not pay you and neither does it pay me to be liberal with dates.
Dates and sequence are extremely important in any recounting of historical events.

When you put sequence in, your account above becomes a distortion of history. The Midwest had nothing against Biafra until the invasion. In fact, as I mentioned earlier, Ejoor even sent the troops under his command to Nsukka, leaving the Midwest totally open, At that point or before, Biafra should have consulted with him.


This is laughable indeed. For all intent and practical purpose, Ejoor was a mere figure-head in mid-western region during the period Ironsi was declared missing. The military show in mid-western region was ran by army headquarter in Lagos or Lt Col Nwawo with team of Igbo officers posted to Benin City.

David Ejoor never commanded a unit in Nigerian army as big as a battalion. The opportunity to command army unit as big as battalion was granted to him by Ironis but was truncated by Gowon-led coup of July 29, 1966.
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Nobody: 8:57pm On May 25, 2012
too much venom from my igbo brothers
i don't think we are that angry at minorities
maybe at yoruba and hausa, but not minorities

some of our brothers are not representing us well here
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by niyitogun(m): 8:58pm On May 25, 2012
Breaking up is simply not the way forward...dosent address the issue of corruption and oda fundamental human needs
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Nobody: 9:00pm On May 25, 2012
beaf raised an important point here
supposing biafra faced the north only and not march westward, could gowon have attacked from the west and south since adaka boro was already restless to support aboki soldiers?
i'm just wondering
we just may never know
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Nobody: 9:03pm On May 25, 2012
if biafra had defeated aboki soldiers inside the middle belt area, maybe yorubas could have mustered courage to chase aboki soldiers from lagos and the west
again we may never know because yoruba na coward, but at least they would hesitate before joining any invasion from the west

these are the thoughts going through my intelligent mind
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by achi4u(m): 9:04pm On May 25, 2012
meeen! this thread nah bomb o! a kind of evening lecture.
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abeg more from both sides (or countries)

am beginig to fear SS the more!
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Obiagu1(m): 9:04pm On May 25, 2012
re@lchange:
if biafra had defeated aboki soldiers inside the middle belt area, maybe yorubas could have mustered courage to chase aboki soldiers from lagos and the west
again we may never know because yoruba na coward, but at least they would hesitate before joining any invasion from the west

these are the thoughts going through my intelligent mind


Maybe you selectively avoided this.



Dede1:


I am of the view you are better than this disingenuous and despicable display on the thread. After the unsuccessful July 29, 1966 coup, due to the fact eastern region was no-go area for Gowon and northern soldiers, Nigeria (which include northern, western and mid-western regions) and Gowon decided to invade eastern region. In fact, with urging of David Ejoor, Gowon relocated LGO under Adekunle to Escravos to be bloated into a brigade or possible a division. It was at Escravos, Mid-western region that less than a battalion LGO was built into a brigade with young men from Yoruba, Edo, Itsekiri, Urhobo, Eshan and Isoko. Also, David Ejoor procured some of the sea-landing crafts LGO needed to launch amphibious operation on Ubani (Bonny) in eastern region of July 16, 1967. By the time Bonny was captured on July 26, 1967, LGO has grown into a full division with designated name of 3rd division.

I do believe you are intelligent enough to discern that July is a month ahead of August. Since Nigeria, including Mid-western region, had been attacking eastern region from July 6, 1967, a person wonders what instigated you to deduce that Biafra punitively launched a military attack against a country such as Republic of Mid-western Region.

As matter of fact, Biafra would have launched military attack on Nigeria through mid-western region earlier than August 8, 1967 when it did. I guess in your neck of wood, they count the months of year from December to January that is reason you thought Biafra first initiated attack through mid-western region.
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by PhysicsQED(m): 9:05pm On May 25, 2012
Lt. Igbinosa came from Lagos to Benin to get boats from Ejoor (and is it not stated why or when he originally procured those boats 'from the Delta' in Omoigui's account! - yet another sloppy and misleading omission from an otherwise good writer) in order to escort them to Bonny (which were his orders and his job, not Ejoor's) and was turned back by Ejoor's (Igbo) subordinate officers, and neither Igbinosa nor Ejoor did anything about this. Yet the one person who supposedly deserves blame or who is not neutral is claimed to be Ejoor. Amazing!
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Nobody: 9:05pm On May 25, 2012
again if biafran forces defeated aboki soldiers in middle belt area
adaka boro would have run away and stay away together with his papa dapa biriye

all these tell me that aboki was the real problem, not minorities or even yoruba

anyway make una continue de debate
i don go be dat
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by LogicMind: 9:06pm On May 25, 2012
re@lchange:
beaf raised an important point here
supposing biafra faced the north only and not march westward, could gowon have attacked from the west and south since adaka boro was already restless to support aboki soldiers?
i'm just wondering
we just may never know

did you read everything dede1 posted about the chronology of invasions?

biafra was being attacked from the north and invaded from the south west before the incursion to midwest.
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by PhysicsQED(m): 9:09pm On May 25, 2012
What is even funnier here is the idea of Ejoor alone, as if running a one man show, procuring boats singlehandedly and the omission of precisely where, when, and why he got them.
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Nobody: 9:10pm On May 25, 2012
Logic Mind:

did you read everything dede1 posted about the chronology of invasions?

biafra was being attacked from the north and invaded from the south west before the incursion to midwest.

what date did the midwest division (3mco) begin to assemble at escravos?
what date did biafra march into midwest?
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Obiagu1(m): 9:12pm On May 25, 2012
^^^

Again read this:

Dede1:


I am of the view you are better than this disingenuous and despicable display on the thread. After the unsuccessful July 29, 1966 coup, due to the fact eastern region was no-go area for Gowon and northern soldiers, Nigeria (which include northern, western and mid-western regions) and Gowon decided to invade eastern region. In fact, with urging of David Ejoor, Gowon relocated LGO under Adekunle to Escravos to be bloated into a brigade or possible a division. It was at Escravos, Mid-western region that less than a battalion LGO was built into a brigade with young men from Yoruba, Edo, Itsekiri, Urhobo, Eshan and Isoko. Also, David Ejoor procured some of the sea-landing crafts LGO needed to launch amphibious operation on Ubani (Bonny) in eastern region of July 16, 1967. By the time Bonny was captured on July 26, 1967, LGO has grown into a full division with designated name of 3rd division.

I do believe you are intelligent enough to discern that July is a month ahead of August. Since Nigeria, including Mid-western region, had been attacking eastern region from July 6, 1967, a person wonders what instigated you to deduce that Biafra punitively launched a military attack against a country such as Republic of Mid-western Region.

As matter of fact, Biafra would have launched military attack on Nigeria through mid-western region earlier than August 8, 1967 when it did. I guess in your neck of wood, they count the months of year from December to January that is reason you thought Biafra first initiated attack through mid-western region.
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by PhysicsQED(m): 9:18pm On May 25, 2012
Dede1:


This is laughable indeed. For all intent and practical purpose, Ejoor was a mere figure-head in mid-western region during the period Ironsi was declared missing. The military show in mid-western region was ran by army headquarter in Lagos or Lt Col Nwawo with team of Igbo officers posted to Benin City.

But Ejoor was at least in charge of single-handedly procuring boats right? Or who actually procured them and when?
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Nobody: 9:18pm On May 25, 2012

In fact, with urging of David Ejoor, Gowon relocated LGO under Adekunle to Escravos to be bloated into a brigade or possible a division. It was at Escravos, Mid-western region that less than a battalion LGO was built into a brigade with young men from Yoruba, Edo, Itsekiri, Urhobo, Eshan and Isoko. Also, David Ejoor procured some of the sea-landing crafts LGO needed to launch amphibious operation on Ubani (Bonny) in eastern region of July 16, 1967. By the time Bonny was captured on July 26, 1967, LGO has grown into a full division with designated name of 3rd division.

i need a book source for this so that everyone will see it
by that account the minorities were already heavily involved before biafra marched westwards
what then "motivated the minorites to join the fighting against biafra" before the incursion?
hate?
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Beaf: 9:23pm On May 25, 2012
Dede1:

You sound funny talking about Biafra and minorities yet you forgot that minority ran the show in Biafra. From secretary of government, second in command, division commanders, brigade commanders, ambassadors, head of propaganda to commissioners were people from minority. I know one Urhobo Major who was a brigade commander in Biafra and was very close to Ojukwu. The major’s kids still live in Enugu as write this post. Please stop the crap about minority.

You have the same wrong notion about a mere permanent secretary in the ministry of trade and industry. If Biafra really wanted to do numbers on minorities in mid-western region, permanent secretary should not be the target.

There might or might not have been Urhobo's fighting for or against Biafra. That is beside the point which is that all stories of betrayal are false.
Talking about permanent secreteries etc, the established history is that they were targetted. Biafra made unecessary enemies in the Midwest; that turned out to be a very costly mistake and a means through which millions sadly lost their lives. If there had been no attack on the Midwest, there would never have been a strong federal front pushing from Warri province and Biafra would likely have won the war.
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by PhysicsQED(m): 9:23pm On May 25, 2012
I didn't even notice Dede1's mention of legions and hordes of young men from Isoko storming Escravos in order to build up a brigade. Perhaps it was out of blind patriotism that they did so, but I would at least like to know who these blind patriots were by full name, origin, etc. before I accept that there was a significant Isoko factor in the group at Escravos. The other groups sound more plausible to me as of right now, but I'd be willing to take correction if I could see the list of Isoko soldiers in the Escravos group.
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Beaf: 9:38pm On May 25, 2012
re@lchange:


what [b]date [/b]did the midwest division (3mco) begin to assemble at escravos?
what [b]date [/b]did biafra march into midwest?

My broda, these are some of the difficult questions that will expose the truth of what really happened in the Midwest.
Biafra made a huge mistake with the Midwest incursion, some people are arguing that they had to get to Lagos. But did they, and for what?
These are strategic blunders that caused bad blood at the time.

Before these blunders, Biafra faced only highly useless troops who were mainly Hausa. These people attacked repeatedly through the Middle Belt and were made to feel sorry and silly repeatedly by Biafra. So the question is, what was the need to move through the Midwest? That energy should have been spent building alliances instead; I will repeat again that the Midwest had just angrily left the Western Region and was packed with unhappy minorities. That opportunity for a strong and independent Western neigbouring ally was not siezed.

Without the invasion of the Midwest and with better planning, Biafra would easily have won the war. There was no point opening a new front and for that matter, one with immensely strategic access to the sea which Biafra did not control.
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Nobody: 9:39pm On May 25, 2012
This beaf guy is a corny and deceitful guy.. You're an igbo guy who probably grew up in the SS - please, stop faking the funk... I don't know why you always include yoruboid groups in SS - in your SE/SS brotherhood charade.. It's boring now, speak for yourself, and how you're an igbo guy raised in Warri..

As for the topic, the issue has been overflogged on this forum... There was no victor, and no vanquish - please move on... And to those calling yoruba, cowards - atleast those cowardly yoruba chased you guys from Ore - back to biafra land, within a week.. cheesy If that's cowardly, I'm proud to be from a tribe of cowards... cool

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Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Beaf: 9:44pm On May 25, 2012
shymmex: This beaf guy is a corny and deceitful guy.. You're an igbo guy who probably grew up in the SS - please, stop faking the funk... I don't know why you always include yoruboid groups in SS - in your SE/SS brotherhood charade.. It's boring now, speak for yourself, and how you're an igbo guy raised in Warri..

As for the topic, the issue has been overflogged on this forum... There was no victor, and no vanquish - please move on... And to those calling yoruba, cowards - atleast those cowardly yoruba chased you guys from Ore - back to biafra land, within a week.. cheesy If that's cowardly, I'm proud to be from a tribe of cowards... cool

Maybe PhysicsQED is an Igbo guy too?
Dude, phuck off. This is not the place for toads and fungi.
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by PhysicsQED(m): 9:44pm On May 25, 2012
Dede1, if I accept that the Escravos group was teeming with tons of young men from every non-Igbo ethnic group in the Midwest save one or two groups that you didn't mention, what exactly is the conclusion I'm supposed to draw from that? What exactly is the import to you of that?

And since me, you and Omoigui seem to actually agree that Biafra was going to invade the Midwest, boats to Bonny or no boats to Bonny, what exactly is the significance of repeatedly bringing up boats to Bonny? It wasn't even a deciding factor in what would have inevitably happened.
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Dede1(m): 9:45pm On May 25, 2012
PhysicsQED: Lt. Igbinosa came from Lagos to Benin to get boats from Ejoor (and is it not stated why or when he originally procured those boats 'from the Delta' in Omoigui's account! - yet another sloppy and misleading omission from an otherwise good writer) in order to escort them to Bonny (which were his orders and his job, not Ejoor's) and was turned back by Ejoor's (Igbo) subordinate officers, and neither Igbinosa nor Ejoor did anything about this. Yet the one person who supposedly deserves blame or who is not neutral is claimed to be Ejoor. Amazing!


I am happy you raised this issue. Among northern region officers and rank, Gowon and Nigerian army headquarter selected Lt. Igbinosa (name sounding very Edo or Urhobo or Itsekiri) to travel to Benin City to escort the boats secured by Ejoor and Mid-western region for LGO pending attack on Ubani (Bonny) in eastern region yet nitwits are claiming neutrality. In fact, Lt Col Nwawo was in-charge of command of the troops in Benin City and I read that Major Igboba sent the young Lt. Igbinosa back to Lagos.

You must have to consider the flux nature of things at the time in question because of questionable loyalty was abounded. My take was mid-western regional government acquired the boats before the July 29, 1966 coup but Gowon tried to get the boats for LGO operation in Ubani (Bonny) through Ejoor but the plan ran into brick wall when the Igbo boys in Benin City caught the drift of the it.
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Beaf: 9:48pm On May 25, 2012
^
Where did you source these things? Corroboration must be provided.
Also, we demand a robust sequence of dates and events. cool

PhysicsQED:
Dede1, if I accept that the Escravos group was teeming with tons of young men from every non-Igbo ethnic group in the Midwest save one or two groups that you didn't mention, what exactly is the conclusion I'm supposed to draw from that?

And since we seem to actually agree that Biafra was going to invade the Midwest, boats to Bonny or no boats to Bonny, what exactly is the significance of repeatedly bringing up boats to Bonny? It wasn't even a factor in what would have inevitbly happened.

Dede is deliberately mixing up dates and events to fit into a moribund argument.
It is safe to conclude that even he has seen the folly in the continued propagation of the wicked falsehood that the Midwest "betrayed" Biafra.
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Dede1(m): 9:51pm On May 25, 2012
re@lchange:


what date did the midwest division (3mco) begin to assemble at escravos?
what date did biafra march into midwest?


Fact: LGO later 3rd division later 3MCDO launched an amphibious attack on Ubani (Bonny) in eastern region on or later than July 12, 1967 and on July 26, 1967 Bonny was captured.
Fact: Two weeks later on August 8, 1967, Biafra launched counterattack on Nigeria through Mid-western region .
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Nobody: 9:55pm On May 25, 2012
Question:will nigeria breakup by 2015?
Answer:YES
Question:into how many countries will nigeria breakup?
Answer:3 or 4
Question:which countries are likely to breakout from nigeria?
Answer:the following possibilities may occur
1. Along the lines of the old northern and southern protectorates.but this is very unlikely.my opinion.
2. Along the lines of northern,western and eastern region.if these were the 1980s,this number 2 is a possibility but in this 21st century, you cant be so sure,the old bendel region and SS groups within the old eastern region will always have a say.
3. Oduduwa republic,Biafra,Arewa republic.middle belt will be a flash point if it goes this way.
4. Biafra alone breaks out from nigeria.the breakup of nigeria will certainly not end there.will the people of southern kaduna,plateau,benue,taraba agree to stay on in nigeria once Biafra has left?how about the oduduwas,will it still be one nigeria for them?
5. Niger-delta republic to break up from nigeria.will they carry Imo,Abia and Ondo along and leave nigeria?
Are the efiks,ibibios,uhrobo and other SS tribes part of any vision for ND republic or is it just an Ijaw thing?
6. The ijaws alone breakout from nigeria. Is it possible?
Question:what is the solution to nigerias problems?
Answer:the only solution to nigerias problems is BREAKUP of nigeria.
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Nobody: 9:56pm On May 25, 2012
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Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Nobody: 9:58pm On May 25, 2012
Beaf:
Maybe PhysicsQED is an Igbo guy too?
Dude, phuck off. This is not the place for toads and fungi.

PhysicsQED is Edo - and the last time I checked Edoid, and Yoruboid are the different group.. PhysicsQED just talks about his Edo people, and that's about it... You need to start doing the same - and speak for your igbo people.

Stop faking the funk!
Re: Will Nigeria Break Up By 2015? by Beaf: 10:02pm On May 25, 2012
Dede1:

Fact: LGO later 3rd division later 3MCDO launched an amphibious attack on Ubani (Bonny) in eastern region on or later than July 12, 1967 and on July 26, 1967 Bonny was captured.
Fact: Two weeks later on August 8, 1967, Biafra launched counterattack on Nigeria through Mid-western region .

26 July [size=13pt]1968[/size] cool
That is when the assault on Bonny occurred.

The 3rd Marina Commando was formed AFTER Biafra had been driven back from Benin. It was formed from units of the Lagos Garrison and greatly bolstered by local recruitment. They went on to capture "Escravos, Burutu, Urhonigbe, Owa and Aladima. They captured Bomadi [/b]and [b]Patani, Youngtown, Koko, Sapele, Ajagbodudu, Warri, Ughelli, Orerokpe, Umutu and Itagba" from Biafra: http://www.dawodu.com/omoigui32.htm

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