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davidylan: With regard to your claim about union jobs, that is not applicable in the case of an expatriate assignment. I thought even a 5-yr old would know that.

True, not all employees working the same job earn the same amount. In most companies, you are told that right from your first week. Your pay is usually based on job performance. Work hard and you earn more, spend all your time on maternity leave and you will earn less. Chikena.

i'm actually talking mostly about starting salary
and also all wage (all things being equal ie when u account for time off on maternity leave etc. or people who don't take maternity or paternity leave and there is still a pay diffeential)

davidylan: Laws of course can be changed. It is not the job of the foreign company to change your country's laws for you. If you feel bad, you can engage a lawyer.

With regard to your claim about union jobs, that is not applicable in the case of an expatriate assignment. I thought even a 5-yr old would know that.

now you are talking.
these workers, can go about their work in many different ways. they can bring the case first to the company to negotiate or take it to court right away.
but like I said, there will be some workers (some of the foreign ones enjoying preferential benefits) who will feel threatened by these local workers. ie "who do they think they are." etc
and that is the dynamic that I see here in this case.
most anti-feminists are just folks who feel threatened by gender equality.

davidylan: Again let me repeat... it has nothing to do with complex... by law a US citizen is entitled to certain benefits. Such laws are not applicable here in nigeria so the foreign company is not obligated to pay a nigerian worker the same wage. Quick example... foreign workers IN the US are entitled to a wage equal to what a US citizen will earn for the same job... it is the law... nothing to do with complex.

it has a lot to do with complex
and also, laws are not permanent. they can be changed. there is such thing as a legal recourse. groups that feel marginalized by a law can protest to change it.

and u are wrong about the second part of ur post.if it is not a unionized job, an employer can decide pay as he/she wishes and justify it by thing like "previous salary," etc
not all employees working the same job, doing the same exact task, necessarily earn equal amount unless the job is unionized.

davidylan: the point being? If you're female you should automatically be feminist? If you're black you must be democrat? It is this illogical, narrow-minded view of the world that makes one wonder.

nope. I know there are female anti feminist. just as there are many black republicans.
not common. but they exist.
so?all I said is I won't be surprised if they agreed that nigerian workers deserve lower pay than expatriate workers.
let's just wait for druid and biolabee.

davidylan: this is mindless stup[i]i[/i]dity. I based my points solely on the facts, all you have responded with is emotional blathering.

Again let me repeat... it has nothing to do with complex... by law a US citizen is entitled to certain benefits. Such laws are not applicable here in nigeria so the foreign company is not obligated to pay a nigerian worker the same wage. Quick example... foreign workers IN the US are entitled to a wage equal to what a US citizen will earn for the same job... it is the law... nothing to do with complex.

But of couse i expect your next fact-free diatribe.

I guess I hit a nerve.

davidylan: to be honest, i earnestly await them so we can have a reasoned discourse on the issue. Obviously this issue is more about emotions and hot air with you and above your pay-grade.

Just an example... women like Okonjo-Iweala took up jobs in nigeria at wages far above what a male naija-based colleague would have been placed. Is that the discrimination you are talking about?

I will imagine that if it were a white male, he would probably be paid EVEN higher salary than Okonjo Iweala herself.

davidylan: to be honest, i earnestly await them so we can have a reasoned discourse on the issue. Obviously this issue is more about emotions and hot air with you and above your pay-grade.

Just an example... women like Okonjo-Iweala took up jobs in nigeria at wages far above what a male naija-based colleague would have been placed. Is that the discrimination you are talking about?

I agree. we had Joan (or what's her name). female anti-feminist.
we had toshmann, black republican.
I don't think anything can surprise me anymore on this thread

davidylan: It is not the fault of the american citizen that he has a government that values his life. If the nigerian feels marginalized he shld pls blame his own government. It is not the remit of the foreign company to pay a nigerian worker in nigeria wages on the basis of American labor laws.

if the american citizen goes in the face of the nigerian citizen and starts spewing rubbish and arguing the way you are that there is no discrimination or that the pay differential is justified. or approaching it the same way that you and other anti-feminists are doing, then I will say that such american citizen is definitely obnoxious and guilty. it is mostly mindset (psychological inferiority complex on d part of the domestics/ superiority complex on the part of the foreign nationals) that help to maintain the status quo anyway. because nothing is stopping the domestics from going out to protest and challenge the situation.

even myself as i'm speaking, there are somethings I would tolerate living in nigeria that I may not tolerate anymore now that i've lived abroad.
chimamanda i'm sure, in her video, is speaking from that same place. visiting nigeria and realizing how much sexism is there. something she wouldn't have realized had she never left nigeria in d first place.

davidylan: I provide several reasons why the average pay for an expatriate is higher in third world countries and the mid-east (even going so far as to provide examples where nigerians and blacks have been placed on the same hazard wages compared to local workers) and you ignored that in favor of repeating your baseless rants? Shakes head... obviously this isnt about reasoned dialogue for you.

tis tis tis
let the Nigerians living in Nigeria come and argue and justify their low pay in comparison to lebanese and expatriate workers. I can't wait to have a laugh.
many that I know complain about it.

CAMEROONPRIDE: make i hear. definitively not with your 290pounds

what a silly little pest.

davidylan: Obviously you cant read. I just told you i turned down an offer to be paid the same high rate to go back to work in Naija. I would have been placed on the same hazard pay for the same job as my fellow naija. The American working in Iraq is payed "hazard" (you understand that right?) pay... that is what makes his pay more than that of the Iraqi guy working the same job. The American dude is essentially placing his life on the line to work in a place that does not have the same access to quality healthcare and legal protections as the US. The Iraqi guy is working in his own country...

Perhaps you need me to teach you to read too?

you are the illiterate one here. U will see that none of your friends in nigeria (biolabee, druid etc) are coming to your defense because they understand what i'm talking about.
no point to say any more. I will wait for ur friends living in Nigeria to come and talk.
yea. an american citizen's life certainly is worth more than a domestic nigerian citizen's life. isn't that already obvious.

CAMEROONPRIDE: when do u get married ,oo angry and bitter c.fours?

most likely before u do.
u should be more worried for urself than for me.

^ i didn't pose the question to you so go and sit ur azz down in a corner somewhere. amebo

Crayola1: Adiche is married...huh For quite a while.

he said he googled it and didn't find information on her marriage so therefore it must be a lie n she must be an "old bitter woman" since she is not proclaiming from all rooftops that she is married.

I think he was confusing her for anne macaulay (2face wife).

Oildichotomy^:
And who are the FEMINISTS?
You?
Shawty please, excuse me== like seriously?== If feminists are counted, you will raise up your hand. My dear do a personal psycho-analysis of your needs you'll so surprised a man is obviously the need..''hahaha what hypocrites''

are you threatened?
you sound scared.

i'm sorry for you.

davidylan: you just repeated the same nonsense. It isnt worth... it is called hazard pay and is dependent on the relative stability of the area you are seconded to. Funny enough i (black nigerian) earn a good 25% more than my colleagues in Belgium... working the same job for the same company. Reason? They get 12 weeks vacation time (standard requirement in the EU by law) and we get at most 3-4 weeks.

Again, it is not enough to just copy-paste articles from the web... understand them first.

stop pretending as if you don't understand what i'm talking about.
i'm not comparing you to your co-worker.
i'm comparing your co-worker to his ACTUAL coworkers in the "hazard" land.hahahaha
explain to me why he is earning almost 3x as much as an Iraqian coworker doing the same exact tasks and hired by the same company.

if you went to nigeria tomorrow and start working. chances are if you have a lebanese or white co-worker under the same company, he/she will earn much more than you. whether you like it or not.
somehow d oyinbo is too good for hazard while the domestic is just a mule who should be grateful and accept his lower pay contently.

CAMEROONPRIDE: foreigners tend to earn more because they are under contracts unlike the locals. so foreigners can easily negotiate their wages.


as for what you said,i have worms in my ears and it will take a while to work them out

good that you bring that up. Have you heard of a woman called Wangari Maathai, feminist.
read the highlighted part of the rest of my post here to see what she did to help her female co-workers.

Maathai continued to teach at Nairobi, becoming a senior lecturer in anatomy in 1974, chair of the Department of Veterinary Anatomy in 1976 and associate professor in 1977. She was the first woman in Nairobi appointed to any of these positions.[23] During this time, she campaigned for equal benefits for the women working on the staff of the university, going so far as to attempt to turn the academic staff association of the university into a union, in order to negotiate for benefits. The courts denied this bid, but many of her demands for equal benefits were later met.[24] In addition to her work at the University of Nairobi, Maathai became involved in a number of civic organizations in the early 1970s. She was a member of the Nairobi branch of the Kenya Red Cross Society, becoming its director in 1973. She was a member of the Kenya Association of University Women.

davidylan: This is meaningless. Foreign workers earn the same as their local counterparts in terms of base pay. What makes things more expensive is that they earn what is known as hazard pay based on the relative differences in standard of living, socio-political hazards they may be prone to face etc. One example... some colleagues of mine earn more than 3x their salary working in Iraq - of course that makes sense considering they are moving to a place where their lives are far less secure.

It is helpful for people to put things in context before just spewing needless pablum.

and just to clarify, i'm talking about expatriate foreign workers in nigeria working alongside nigerians doing the same work!
in case of iraq, that will be an american working in iraq alongside an Iraqian doing the same exact tasks but there being a wage disparity.
it all has to do with "worth"

u can justify it all u wish. but many nigerians complain about it. clearly they also feel the pain of discrimination. LOL women, doubly so.

the simple reason behind it is foreign western workers have more "cache" than domestic workers.
USA and UK are developed countries and in comparison, black workers are worth less than white workers or even indian or lebanese workers. look at u pretending that there aren't many nigerian workers complaining about the disparity.

Oildichotomy^:
Still discussing this?? Like seriously?? You keep on going round in circles expecting to get a rectangle'== These girls because i can't possibly call them feminist, need a Man that can feel an emotional void that the 'feminist demon' is currently occupying. ,''hahaha what hypocrites''

well, check the topic title.
why are there anti-feminists on a topic that clearly promotes feminism.
I am posting in a right thread.
all u anti-feminists r d ones on the wrong thread. in case u don't see that.LOL

druid06: I have said all I wanted to. If you're too stup-id not to see the underlying message I've been trying to pass to you then it's your darn business.

what a stuupid fool

CAMEROONPRIDE: the topic is misleading, typical from people with an agenda. there's no way a single woman registered in the hotel will b kicked out.period

and i stand to b correct no one is going to b kicked without an investigation. how are they going to know that the girl is single?

hahaha classic.
welcome to Nigeria. when u visit, u will believe.
re-watch Chimamada's video. she touches on some of the same issues of her experience visiting restaurants and hotels.

druid06: Married my ar-se you pathetic liar. I have an internet connection like you do.

Chimamanda is a feminist.
her main accomplishment is not her marriage. she ain't anne macaulay (or whatever her name is. 2face baby mama turn wife)
she has better class than to go shouting up and down that she has a ring.
besides, who cares.

druid06: She's not only married but has grandchildren you pathetic liar. I have an internet connection like you.

Ok

next?

CAMEROONPRIDE: I'm having a severe diarrhea of the mouth

fixed.

CAMEROONPRIDE: again, the policy is for prostitutes, that's why they will probably ask the reasons of her presence before putting her out.period.

re-read the topic again. it says "single women"
unless u are saying all single women are prostitutes then in that case, I won't be surprised. that's not very much unlike you now is it, monkey?

In other news:

President Joyce Banda of Malawi was speaking at the 67th Session of the United Nations General Assembly last month, before the same audience that listened to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President Michel Joseph Martelly of Haiti and President Barack Obama.

Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, president of Liberia, also talked about women's issues in her speech to the group of 193 heads of state: "We have made strong strides in gender equality, but much more must be done for girls' education and women's empowerment."

Both Banda and Sirleaf escaped violent marriages and struggled through single motherhood to overcome poverty and eventually make history as the only two female leaders in the modern history of Africa. And both women have placed the issues of reproductive health and family planning at the center of their national agendas.

druid06: Babe, I don't think you have any solid points left. Just go do something else like paint your face or take pictures in your bathroom since it's what your girls of this generation are good at doing and leave feminism for those who understands it's values. You're just a copy cat and I am sorry for you like seriously. With the rate at which you're going, you're going to end up like your role model Chimananda of whatever the fu-ck her name as an old bitter woman with no husband, children and cat's for company. Got get a life baby.

Dude, ur crazy. Chimamanda actually is married. so now what? what solid point do you have left?
go suck ur thumb wuss.

druid06: So your icon, legend and your idol is not married?? Hmmmmm, I wonder why!!!

many of my icon, legend and idols are married, single, divorced, married again, widowed and twice widowed. marital status is not my criteria for a woman's worth.
ie a woman's worth or accomplishment is not in her MRS.

Chimamanda is famous for her books and speeches. that's what we love her for.
again, I don't know the circumstances u grew up in but u need to catch up to 2013. seems ur still living in 1900s.

druid06: Babe, take a chill pill and chillax. I'm just asking out of curiousity so stop the mumbo jumbo. Is Chimamamada married or not. YES or NO?

No she's not.

CAMEROONPRIDE: just answer the question dumbo.

silly monkey, must u always butt into my conversations?

CAMEROONPRIDE: just like sagging is forbidden in many places.
of course you know the people targeted are the prostitutes. but no you want to turn this into something else

re-read the thread. it doesn't say prostitutes are banned. it says single women are banned!!
in fact, if a man brings a prostitute or ten prostitutes in with him, the hotel allows it!
but a woman by herself is not allowed in a hotel. what a policy!! are we in Afghanistan?

the reason sagging is forbidden is because of racism. haha we all know that. but at least the law doesn't say "young black men are forbidden" it clearly says "sagging is forbidden"
in nigeria's case, they didn't even cover anything up, they just went staight to the point and banned women from the hotel!! unless she is there with a man. what a disgrace