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biolabee: I loved the more tolerant mien of Crayola1 who at least listened(read) the other opposing views

Ahh.. the troll of trolls - Miscellaneous - an eris of discord and confusion

it's ok for you to call me a troll.
but I am incorrigible for calling ur dumb friend dumb.
hahaha you are out of your goddamn mind. goodluck waiting for the day when I will become "tolerant" or sympathetic to anti-feminist "logic". you will wait forever!

mind you, this is a thread about feminism, so therefore, you are the troll here since u are on MY turf. I guess you fail to realize that.

Of all women surveyed, 10.3 percent had abortions after the first trimester. These women were more likely to be young, black, less educated and living in poverty than women who had earlier abortions. They were also more likely to have experienced violence at the hands of the man who got them pregnant and to have dealt with at least three serious life events in the last year.
Compared with the 10.3 percent overall number, 14 percent of patients under age 18 had second-trimester abortions, as did 13.8 percent of adolescents ages 18 to 19. Among all ages, 13.4 percent of black abortion patients had second-trimester procedures, compared with 8.5 percent of white abortion patients and 9.9 percent of Hispanic abortion patients.

http://www.livescience.com/17529-trimester-abortions.html

biolabee: you are incorrigible/...

you are very stubborn.
read the post before making a comment.

biolabee: more appropriate is you seeing the sense ive been making since

your quick anger with out reading others point of view seems to have been the issue

not all males are bad

we agree that late abortion is potentially deadly

Let women make up their minds quickly before 5 months or better still dont get pregnant

seems like you are the angry one here who does not read other point of view.
Chimamanda achebe won't be married if all men were bad. same with 66% of women out there because last time I checked, majority of women in USA were feminists.
not all men are anti-feminists. but for men (and the few women)who ARE anti-feminist, then I certainly won't apply the "good" label on you.

the dichotomy here isn't man vs woman but rather "anti-feminists" vs "everyone else"

why do you suppose there are women out there who go for late abortions. do u know that late abortion is actually very dangerous to the woman's life? why would you suppose a woman would risk her life to perform an abortion?
these are usually extremely vulnerable women. rarely are they middle or upper class. they tend to be either very scared young girls, minority or very poor. there should be more health and women's health outreach going on. rather than demonizing the women because it only makes the problem worse. it could be your daughter! and you won't want her going to some shady illegal tatoo, drug dealing house to get an abortion all because she can't go to a safe hospital.

22 anti-abortionists arrested in front of the White House for praying in public.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/faith-and-morals/item/13093-praying-pro-lifers-arrested-outside-of-white-house


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/14/criminal-prayer-case-stirs-protests/?page=all
^ school principal and atheletic director facing charges of $5000 fine and 6 months in jail for offering mealtime prayer in school.

common sense is not common to everyone.

davidylan: Ok this is veering from illogicality to irrational. There are plenty of things that are illegal that you cannot get arrested for. It is illegal to organize school prayer but no one arrests you for it. The fact that you just gloss over facts to reassert debunked claims is quite amusing.

you are seriously grasping at straws here because you CAN get arrested for organizing a school prayer.
as long as something is ILLEGAL, then YES you can get arrested for it. duh
this is common sense.

just because the law isn't enforced as much doesn't mean there is no punishment for it if some angry atheist decides to report it.
same with smoking in public places. it's illegal yet people do it all the time because usually non-smokers don't report it. but they can if they want to and get the smoker arrested or if there are law enforcement officers around at the time the crime is being committed !! that's the whole point. You become a criminal if you perform an illegal act and as a criminal you are left at the mercy of the public/ system if they choose to enforce the law or not.
http://www.smmirror.com/articles/News/52-Year-Old-Man-Arrested-For-Breaking-Smoking-Laws-At-Santa-Monica-Bus-Stop/36290

same applies if u download illegal music. just because u haven't been arrested (low enforcement) doesn't mean that you what ur doing is not punishable by law.

u must be really dumb not to know all these.

there is separation of church and state for a reason. otherwise, people who say "goddamn" in public will be sent to torture chamber or crime of "blasphemy"
I always thought that christian radicalism will prove much worse than islamic radicalism (sharia and what not)

toshmann: I really don't get your logic. That they don't have any punishment in mind for the abortion lovers means

you can't make something "illegal" if there is no punishment by law for it.
if you don't get that logic then srry, I can't help u.

women were stoned to death by law for adultery in biblical times. jesus condemned it and for christians to try to take justice in their hands for what they see as crime against God will be very hypocritical. their "self-righteous" cover will be blown.

the mere fact that they want to make it ILLEGAL suggests that they consciously or unconsciously want it to be punished. You can see it in the posters they use for their campaigns. they call the women "murderers" and other harsh words. But when they are asked to state the punishment, they get tongue tied. as if they forgot what the punishment is for murderers. hahahaha. clearly, if they are arguing against abortion from a religious standpoint, it's hard to argue for a legal puishment because it makes them look like hypocrites if they truly ask themselves "what would jesus do"

biolabee: Morning 99cent another hasty assumption from yourself as a lot of the statementsyou have made here

You can ask me about my opinion on abortion


I believe a foetus has life and should not be killed however i recognise a bigger crime is letting an unwanted child come into this world and due to lack of love become a criminal or a liability, so abortion should be allowed

I believe men and woman should exercise birth control responsibly to avoid pregnancies in the first place

I think after 5 - 6 months aborting a foetus is dangerous to the woman

finally you make some sense in this.
I agree that late abortion is dangerous which is why making it illegal is all the more troubling because women who are planning to abort at such a late stage must have to be in a very desperate situation.
late stage abortion isn't very common and with good access to health care for women, this procedures will even be rarer.

it reminds me of when the AIDS epidemic was beginning to take hold in the 70s. In America, the health institutions looked and felt that AIDS was a black/gay thing so therefore, they did nothing to tackle it until it got much worse. In fact, they took the opportunity to scapegoat gays (and black haitians) for AIDS in their public health announcement. so much so that gay people were driven to go underground which can give the epidemic an opportunity to fester and grow. people became even much more susceptible to AIDS because the health department did NOTHING to help them in providing good access to preventative measures.

I can only see abortion becoming more dangerous once it is forced to go underground. many women will die if abortion becomes illegal because they will be forced to go to unsanitary places and crooks to perform the illegal abortions. it will only make the problem worse and this is very obvious. but that's probably what the anti-abortionists want anyway. death to women who abort.

toshmann: Your YouTube video contradicts your notion. People have been campaigning to end abortion for 5yr and they have never thought of what the punishment for it should be.
That's the mind-set of anti abortionists. Just stop the killing of these babies. Period! We hope abortionists will listen. We don't even have plans for punishment, except in the mind of 99cent

Only you fail to realize that the joke is on you and the anti-abortionists.
how can someone campaign for 5 yrs to make abortion "ILLEGAL" yet they never thought about the punishment for such a crime? does that make sense to you?
They realize that they are no different from the pharisees stoning the woman to death in d bible. Jesus came out and said to them, anyone who has not committed a sin amongst u cast the fist stone.
SCAPEGOATING that's all it is. SCAPEGOATING. of course the most vulnerable people in society are those whose "sins" are deemed most punishable.namely women and children
why can't they mention what they feel the police and justice system should do to women who abort? hahaha hypocrites.
they have hatred seething in them but they are ashamed to say their mind that's all. their self-righteous cover will be blown if they do say their mind about how they want women who abort to be punished.
i'm sure most of what you guys are saying on here, I can bet a million bucks you cannot go out in public and say the same things that u say in privacy behind ur computer screen to make about women.

davidylan: This is incendiary, meaningless propaganda. Its funny that those who accuse others of "intolerance" are themselves perfect examples of bigotry. Just because someone does not agree with wanton, irresponsible murder of children who are capable of surviving outside the womb... you now label them radical extremists? Forgive me if i thought you were the same hypocritical sheeple bleating about "rights". I have a right to my opinions too without being called a bigot for it.

Answer the question. If abortion is made illegal (as your wish), what punishment do you feel is most appropriate for the woman committing the abortion? should she be sentenced as a murderer?
VERY SIMPLE QUESTION. you typed out a whole book in your post and did not once answer the very simple question.

same to you biolabee and toshman. answer the question.

relevant thread
https://www.nairaland.com/1342733/why-women-remain-terrible-abusive

to save face in society.
1. in nigeria, the woman is often blamed for a failed marriage
2. nigerian society doesn't look kindly upon a divorced woman/single mother.
hence many women stay in horrible marriages and smile in public while they are miserable at home.

the ones who leave d bad marriage are d brave ones. not many women are brave.

Biabeke: In Ogoniland, it is a taboo for a woman to desert her marriage regardless of the abusive situation. She will be ostracized by her family, friends and community if she leaves. So, that is one of the reasons why women linger in abusive relationships. Another reason is many women believe that the grass is not greener on the other side. The dating world is becoming grittier each day.

exactly

congrats to him. but why Russia?
at least USA or UK will be more understandable.

she is free to contest, if lagosians don't like her, they won't vote for her.
although I personally wouldn't vote for her because are they trying to form a dynasty?

@toshmman and biolabee,
you both want abortion to be illegal. what do you suppose the punishment for abortion should be? should women who perform abortion be convicted as murderers and sent to jail? they should be punished the state or by God?
watch this youtube video

anti-abortionists are just radical/extremist christians. not any different from radical terrorist islamist. both oppress women and use religion to justify their scapegoating of the poor (more likely to have abortions) and marginalized (women, children, gays etc)!!

there is such thing as separation of church and state for a reason. if you don't support abortion. keep ur views private to yourself. next they will be calling to jail single mothers. these are the most dangerous terrorists society should be most watchful of. the ones in our midst. the extremist christians/homophobics/women-oppressors etc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD97OVJ4PNw

In the video below, Chomsky of course touches on the fact that women who perform abortions tend to be lower income and lack the proper access to health care and information. And that anti-abortionists should rather concern themselves with issues of high mortality, child infectious disease and health care if they are genuinely concerned about children.
towards the end of this video, you see footage of an extremist "christian" proposing that anyone who says "goddamn" in public should be executed for the crime of blasphemy. he also goes on to say that gays (he calls them sodomists) and feminists should also be executed! This is a right-wing christian. your typical anti-abortionist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5RU2LqA1FQ

Do you think the happenings in Egypt will spread around Africa? Nigerians really ought to take to the street to protest millitary rule so that the army can get the message that we won't tolerate millitary rule.
I'm saying this because i'm sure the Nigerian Army is probably getting excited and forming coup ideas in their head right now.

We should all be on our guards. This thing might spread.
esp since our democracy is so weak and GEJ is proving to be even duller than Yara'dull

BAD. duh
a millitary ousting a democratically elected govt is BAD.why are you even asking this question?
if people don't like Morsi, he only has 4 yrs before another person can be democratically elected. that is a DEMOCRACY.

A COUP is never a good thing. you should know that as a NIgerian. Tough luck to Egypt because they may never smell democracy again for many decades.

2014 is only 5 months away jor. so is it safe to say that we are already 13th largest economy in Africa?
what are the other 12 economies/ cities?

the saddest irony is that the Egyptians are supposedly celebrating d millitary coup!!
I pity them. they don't know that "millitary" is the antithesis of "democracy"

let's just hope that this doesn't spread down south to the rest of Africa. Nigeria has had enough of millitary rule.
In fact, Nigerians should stage a protest against millitary rule so that the army can get the message. We will not allow this to happen in Nigeria!!

careytommy: EYE SERVICE is all i see to appease angry church members.

Cowboy43: Am nt suprised soon the Hausas will also start ranting..WE BUILD ABUJA WITH OUR OWN SWEAT

na wa for u.
if all of us flock to Abuja and burden the infrastructure to the extent that it becomes one big dilapidated slum. and the Hausas start to build it again and develop it back again, then yes, they build it with their sweat.

oh man.. i'm still laughing. my belly...
anyway, i'm done for the day. ciao

scandinavian countries (denmark, iceland, norway,sweden, finland etc) populate that list because they have HIGH quality of life and least income disparity even by gender.
their governments are strong and very protective of its citizens.
students get paid to go to school!! men and women have generous materity and paternity leave etc. free child care and healthcare, u name it!

the people are CONTENT. content is the right word here. happiness is fleeting and without sadness there won't be happiness. so being happy has to mean that you were previously sad. happiness is a temporary high.
contentment is a better word and describes a serene state of mind.

davidylan: Obviously you have no idea what the topic is anymore besides your need to "win" the argument. These have more to do with the utter failure of labor laws and the justice system in nigeria and nothing to do with feminism.

so, are you going to justify the chinese here again in their mistreatment of nigerian workers? hehn?

"The Chinese kick Nigerian workers on the testicles when they are not submissive."

LOL. so sad and ironic especially looking at the word "submissive"

another one:
Chinese Expats Treat Nigerian Employees as Punching Bag (when they are not submissive enough)
https://www.nairaland.com/784817/chinese-expats-treat-nigerian-employees

"The Chinese kick Nigerian workers on the testicles when they are not submissive."

lol. I thought only women are supposed to be 'submissive'

Chimamanda is asking us all to be feminists for a reason.
Nigeria cares nothing about women's welfare.
neither does the republican party in the USA

@davidlan,
click those threads and read the comments to see that most Nigerians DO NOT agree with you

Another one:


WARRI—NIGERIAN workers of Julius Berger Nigeria Plc, Ekpan, near Warri, Delta State, have protested alleged persecution and prejudice against them by a German official of the company, who directed that low-grade black workers should not have a canteen on the company’s premises.

A Warri-based rights group, the Human Rights Defenders Organization of Nigeria, HURDON, had on June 14, petitioned the Inspector-General of Police, IGP, over an attempted murder, intimidation and racial discrimination against Nigerians working in the firm, by the German official.

The workers alleged that the expatriate ordered the demolition of the junior workers’ canteen because of his hatred for blacks and gave them un unkempt Caravan after their protest, which they rejected, insisting that they should be treated as human beings.

The German official declined to speak to Vanguard when contacted for comments, but HURDON, in the petition, jointly signed by its national chairman and national secretary, Sir Casely Omon-Irabor and Felix Odogu, said the expatriate “created a special canteen for the whites only and other amenities for white only” and also “gave strict instruction that no black should be seen around these areas”.

According to the group, a 45-year-old Nigerian security guard, employed by an independent contractor, Mr. Ohare Anthony, who was oblivious of the segregation rule, walked close to the canteen meant for whites alone while on patrol, and unfortunately for the black man, the German national saw him and allegedly unleashed his Alsatian dog on him.

He said that when the dog wrestled Mr. Anthony to the ground and sank its teeth into his flesh, the official, who had earlier brought out his pistol to further intimidate him, packeted it and left with the dog after inflicting injury on the worker.

“Mr. Anthony was treated and discharged from the hospital and he has been under the threat of losing his job since the incident until finally when he was brought to our office to lodge this complaint. We call on you to use your good offices to investigate this man and let the appropriate action be taken against him if the allegation is proved”, the group told the IGP.

https://www.nairaland.com/695042/how-germans-abuse-nigerian-workers

3 posts down, you will see this:

"you should hear what they do to the female employees, pitiful."

and they talk about "angry" feminists.

They also say that expats occupy an average of 77 percent of the top management positions, leaving Nigerians with only 23 percent.

hmm that sounds familiar

Last week, Nigeria's senior oil workers union, went on a five-day strike against US oil giant Chevron to demand equal rights and privileges.

They were angry that expatriate workers are paid higher than their local counterparts. They also say that expats occupy an average of 77 percent of the top management positions, leaving Nigerians with only 23 percent.

This situation is reflected in many industries operating on the continent, who have come under fire for employing costly expatriates rather than locals with the same abilities and experience.

But in most cases, this is justified by claims there is a skills shortage.

Is your pay and condition of service lower than is paid to expatriate staff in the same job? Are expatriates taking jobs that could be done by locals? If you are an expatriate working in Africa, is the disparity justified? Are foreign workers treated better than local staff?

https://www.nairaland.com/146949/foreigners-earn-more-than