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GloriousGbola:
Those who can't do - teach

Assumption. We have 5 million Yorubas. We have five hundred thousand Igalas.

Do the Igalas have a large enough pool of teachers based on their numbers to meet stem requirements?

Because this is the first outcome of your proposal. Teachers will be limited to regions. All that supplementing underserviced schools with youth corpers from other tribes will no longer work.

Already there is a dearth of competent teachers. Now you want to introduce teaching in native language, which will reduce the pool further.

Are you actually able to look two or three steps ahead, or you are just limited to dreams?

You're a just myopic person who can't see beyond his nose. Clerics of the Igala people deliver sermons and religious teachings in Igala language and English language.

The same practice can be adopted to teaching STEM in schools in minor areas.

GloriousGbola:
Maybe you should branch out into statistics.

Do minorities have a large enough pool of teachers for your stem crusade?

Minorities have no teachers that understand their mother tongue? Lols.

If you understand something well, you can teach it in any language. It's a lack of understanding that makes you say you can't teach Physics in your mother tongue.

GloriousGbola:
What he is promoting conciously or unconsciously is eradication /erasure of relevance of any language that is not in our big five/six.

A polished and systematic overwriting of Nigerian minorities

You are not significant - no stem for you! Learn our language or fail!

You're funny. What happens to Igala people teaching their students in Igala language and other minorities doing the same?

Or is it a Yoruba man that doesn't understand Igala that will translate STEM to Igala language?

GloriousGbola:
we crammed because of INCOMPETENT teachers who knew fuckall.

teachers too mentally lazy to impart knowledge

there is a reason most people who go to western nations for further studies only have bad things to say about nigerian lecturers

anyway, keep on

Yes, most of the teachers are bad. This shows the current mode of teaching is poor and has failed miserably.

It needs to be improved and teaching STEM in native languages is one of the solutions needed to improve the system.

STEM should be taught in both a native language and English so science can develop in the local language in this part of the world, and not only in English which is for the English people.

Donjazet2:
There is a big difference between being ashamed of something and not caring one bit about something. Being ashamed assumes that one cares about the thing. Being indifferent means you JUST DON'T CARE!

I do not care about my tribe. The elders in my village are totally meaningless to my life. My father has a chieftaincy title from our hometown and I know that apart from maybe egoism, it is virtually meaningless.

Tribal affiliation has no place in the modern world, you are vastly overstating the importance of tribal culture in the modern world.

Don't feel wronged when you're marginalized because you don marginalize yourself already with this kind of reasoning.

If you don't care about and respect your culture, others will also disrespect you.

You teach people how to treat you, and they'll treat you the way you regard yourself.

You're just an English slave. I'm sure you won't mind if Nigeria is recolonized since that would give power back to your masters.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Me i no understand at all

The moment you pass Ondo state, you are in another environment that speaks an entirely different language

So if i did Junior secondary education in Ondo state, learning STEM in Yoruba, i will have to start learning STEM again in Bini language, if I relocate there for SS studies

Using countries with just one language to defend this is unreasonable to me

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In those countries where STEM is taught in their mother tongue, there are also ethnic minorities.

For instance, there are 55 ethnic minorities in China, with Han the major tribe. But teaching is done in Mandarin, the most popular language.

In Nigeria, teaching should be done in English and also in the popular language commonly spoken in each area (which is one of Yoruba, Hausa, or Ibo).

Look at the way they all reason. There's a reason why no Physics department in any Nigerian universities has been able to invent even the simplest of gadgets.

It's simply because the foundation is faulty. I know most of them here crammed concepts in Physics, Chemistry, and Math in secondary schools.

It's what most of us did to pass exams, and because of this lack of understanding, students can't remember and apply what they've been taught and create things with it.

I didn't expect less from people ashamed of their language and culture. It's an African thing to see himself as inferior to others and put foreign cultures above his.

GloriousGbola:
A001 should write 'hello world' in yoruba

That's easy.

But I didn't talk about tech here. We've to start from somewhere.

Donjazet2:
But you do know that the average igala man cares for nothing about Yoruba. Same thing with an ogoni man in rivers, or Ebira in logo or urhobo in Delta. One thing we all do care about though is the English language because it is the agreed upon language that we use to understand ourselves.

You're really making this cultural and tribal thing such a big deal!

And I dare say you're even being myopic and selfish. Because try to think of this, the ogoni tribe is a Kalahari tribe in rivers state are a minority tribe with not up to 200,000 People. There are many other small tribes like these scattered across Nigeria hence us having over 750 different tribes in such a small enclave.

Do you advocate that all these tribes start teaching maths, physics, chemistry in all the different languages? Common man!

As I said before, science is best taught in local languages. Teachers in each tribe (whether containing 100,000 or 10,000 people) should teach STEM in the local language of their people.

You're ashamed of your Ibo heritage. But you'll be crying marginalization all about. You don marginalize yourself already.

Donjazet2:
I see you left out Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia. Countries who escaped poverty but maintained using English language as their lingua franca. People who still adopted "foreign religions" but are thriving regardless.

I still maintain that clinging onto tribal sentiments is useless. Like entirely useless. I want to think that Africans of all would understand this better. The number one cause of strife and war in Africa is usually tribal differences. We choose to continue to see each other differently. And I think that this teaching of "mother tongue" in schools deepen that.

The use of English language (a common language) in Nigeria has been nothing but a blessing to us. There is no downside to all of us communicating and understanding each other with the same language.
It really doesn't matter if the Yoruba language or the Igbo language or the Hausa language dies off in so far as we progress forward as a people. By progress, I mean economically, socially, technologically and one can argue that our tribal sentiments and differences actually slow down these aforementioned progresses.

You need to leave behind this mentality of African culture superiority or the likes. It is truly a meaningless sentiment to have.

Those countries aren't First-World countries for a reason.

Don't bore me with lengthy posts. Just walk the talk and tell the elders in your community in your state to ditch their culture for the foreign culture of the English, and see how you'll be treated.

Everyone protects their culture for the future generations, but the foolish value another man's culture above their own and lose their identity.

Culture is the soul of a people.

If you're not proud of your Ibo heritage, don't assume everyone is a slave of the English like you.

I never said at any point that Yoruba language is the best language in the world. There's no best language in the world, as far as I'm concerned, but there are popular languages.

For a Yoruba person, the best language is Yoruba.

GloriousGbola:
indians are killing it in the IT industry

theraja , the electrical engineering bible is in english

to the students buying into this BS

you can study in english and have a shot at changing the world - or study in your native language and have a shot at being heavily accented long distance customer support

the choice is yours.

This shows you don't understand simple statements in simple English. "Teaching STEM in Yoruba should be used to supplement teaching it in English, not replaced the use of English language."

This is what I said.

The Indians that you mentioned are taught in both Hindu and English.

You've no point at all.

BlueRayDick:
Mayble It's just me, but I don't see such move achieving anything serious. Let's take Yoruba language for example, most people I attanded secondary school with who are Yoruba cannot read and write in Yoruba Language fairly well despite being taught Yoruba Language as a subject from primary school to secondary school.

While I was in secondary school and we were asked to read the approved Yoruba literature textbook, only few can read Yoruba well and observe the "ami"(do, re, mi sounds) appropriately. A lot of people copied during WAEC while writing composition, letter writing etc.

If most people cannot even excel in this basic Yoruba Language, how does one expect them to learn scientific concepts in Yoruba and understand? Most Yoruba Christians cannot even read Yoruba Bible without being corrected by elders every now and then. I think using Yoruba as the language of instruction for scientific concepts will only make the process of learning longer than it should take.

If it's not effective, why is it being practiced in many developed countries and other nations such as Germany, Japan, France, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, and others?

Well, you once said English is the best language in the world sha, yet the English don't see Yoruba as the best language in the world.

I know Yoruba is something to be ashamed of for people like you; it's local and backward.

German students, Korean students, Chinese students, English students, Polish students, French students, Swedish students, and many others, all of which are taught in their mother tongue, aren't competitive on the global stage abi

I know critical thinking isn't your forte.

GloriousGbola:
I actually chose not to go on, because you clearly have a bee up your bonnet and are emotionally invested in your delusions that balkanisation of our educational syllabus will miraculously carry Nigeria into a glorious future.

Rather than opt to make our students competitive on the global stage, you would rather throw more complexity into the equation.

It will really be interesting seeing how youth corpers from other regions will teach students maths and chemistry and biology in other languages.

Seeing as you are writing a book, I guess your real goal is to corner the native language textbook market. Always follow the money, not the shalaye

Slavery is your problem. Only a slave will have a problem with teaching science in his mother tongue like it's done in most advanced nations including China.

You must be wiser than the millions of educators using this method all around the world simply because it works most times and helps students reason independently and creatively, and not merely repeating what has been done in the field by Europeans.

I know you're a slave who hates anything in Yoruba; don't assume everyone is a slave like you.

For slaves in this part of the world, English language is the best language in the world and Yoruba is something to be ashamed of, but the English don't rate Yoruba at all.

Can you see how stupid you sound?

GloriousGbola:
I hope you can put the effort where your mouth is and lead the charge to translate stem concepts into each and everyone of of 250 languages.

No tribe should be marginalised or left behind in this grand scheme.

After this you can also start a push for localisation of of android, ios, ms. Office, autocad, in every Nigerian language. They should even ship manuals with everyone of our languages. Same should be done for every atm.

Let us see if the government really has the energy to push this through, or if this is a desperate push by the northern govt officials for some other way to get their youth educated

I'm already writing a Physics textbook in Yoruba based on my teaching experience in the field over the years.

I know other people that have done the same for other subjects like Math in Hausa language.

Teachers in each tribe should take this step for their students to aid their understanding.

The Bible and Qur'an (especially the Bible) are available in the local languages; did those translated books fall from heaven or what's your point really?

People can translate scientific concepts and principles into the local languages the same way the religious texts were translated into the local languages.

I don't see your point really because you're not making any sense. The other time, you argued ignorantly that Yoruba characters are English characters, and I corrected you.

Don't argue about what you're not knowledgeable of.

We're talking about teaching STEM in mother tongue, you're mentioning localisation of tech in local languages.

What's the correlation? The current model for teaching has failed woefully and needs to be modified to suit our local environment and needs.

Are you teaching Android, IOS to students in primary and secondary schools?

This discussion is about teaching STEM in local languages to Nigerian students starting from the elementary classes where they're taught Basic Science.

Amoto94:
FEC Approves Compulsory Mother Tongue Instruction In All Primary Schools.
We are getting there

Nice development. People thought it wise to translate the Bible and Qur'an to native languages.

Sermons and lectures are delivered in churches and mosques in both English/Arabic and the mother tongue.

(This practice is important as it aids people's understanding of religious teachings and help them connect with the message being passed at a personal, deeper level.)

The same method should be adopted to teach in schools, especially when it comes to teaching STEM.

Teaching science in vernacular should be encouraged, and not frowned upon as most do, especially in South-West.

Also, teaching STEM in local languages should be used to supplement teaching in English.

There's a reason why many of the best scientists in Europe learnt and did science primarily in their mother tongue and secondarily in English.

Emaprince:
If you do not believe in God like some of the woke people we have now, then there is no need asking abeg

Woke people we've now? Like atheism and agnosticism just started today? You don't know freethinking started immediately the concept of religion was formed?

Donjazet2:
It can bro. It really can. Don't give into those laying the traps of hopelessness.

If Nigeria has visionary leaders and people who really aim to govern rather than rule, things begin to change. And I'm not just talking about presidency only, I mean all levers of government. If on election Day, Nigerians bind together and elect good people. You begin to see the immediate impact.

And this is not just theory, we've seen these before. Rwanda is showing Africans the way. The middle eastern countries are showing us what visionary leaders can be. Japan and South Korea turned from desolate warzones to 1st class economies. Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia all turned from poor countries to top 10 richest countries in the world.

Nigeria has a spending problem not an earning problem. We've practically wasted almost 1 trillion dollars earned. Get this, one trillion dollars earned since we gained back democracy and we wasted it. Just 10 percent of that money would have been enough to power the entire country and build an extensive freight rail network across the entire country without borrowing a dime. But we wasted it to corruption.

But it can get better! It starts with good leadership which is why this rare opportunity that has come up for us is too enticing to give up, a people-led anti-establishment movement that has the potential to change everything is something we can't give up on. We all have to latch on it and utilise this opportunity properly.

While I support Obi, I don't expect him to perform miracles and fix Nigeria within four years.

Regional government or breakup is the way forward. The current setup is faulty, and even Obi won't be able to fix things dramatically unless restructuring is done.

No dey compare Rwanda that has a population of about 13 million people with Nigeria. Rwanda is not even up to Lagos, a state in Nigeria, in terms of population.

nihilistjnr:
I agree firmly with the bolded, but disagree with you on the 'why'. I don't think that Nigerians are holding on to religion out of stubborness

In a dystopia like Nigeria, there are only two things that it's citizens are desperate for:

1. A way to Hope for a better future
2. A way to Cope with the horrors of today

That's why the sectors with the most growth in Nigeria today are the Church and Hospitality sectors.

Nigerians will go and trade their prayers and tithe for the hope of God's blessing and salvation because Nigeria's problems cannot be solved.

Then they will go amd spenf the remaining money on igbo, Shayo, and ashewo, because they cannot kill themselves.

Anecdotally I've heard people who move abroad from Nigeria tend to become less "spiro" over time. It kinda makes sense, when you no longer have to pray for journey mercy to go from your house to school because herdsmen, kidnappers, uGM are no longer looking for you, you might begin to question how much value you're getting from the tithe you pay monthly

Your points are valid. It's true that Nigeria's problems can't be solved.

No solution to cure man (our politicians especially) of greed.

hopefulLandlord:
Okay, seems you didn't understand me. the fact that we have only explored 5% of the entire ocean means there's a possibility the challenger deep isn't really the deepest point. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenger_Deep

If you check that link you'd see a qualifier "deepest-known" point which says a lot.

I'm not in the mood to argue unnecessarily either. we're here to learn from each other aren't we?

We've explored less than 10% of the world's oceans and less than 10% of space. We've not set foot on any planet except Earth, our natural planet.

What has been discovered and explored by man pales in comparison with what's yet to be discovered and explored.

As Socrates said, "The unexamined life is not worth living." Many aspects of the African cultures and beliefs need to be examined and exposed to scientific scrutiny.

That's why I like what this Gbenga Adewoyin guy has been doing offline and online on Twitter and YouTube, exposing the inefficacy of juju.

Our native cultures need to be examined for superstitious beliefs and barbaric aspects and refined to stay up-to-date with the latest trends, especially in science.

Cultures should be dynamic, not static, and cultures that don't evolve with time die out in the long run.

A number of cultural beliefs, just like many religious beliefs, are outright lies meant to deceive people and control them.

They need to be scrutinized and ditched.

It's counterproductive to control people with lies and deceit (like gods of religion, Allah and Yahweh, are doing) because they will find out sooner or later and rebel.

These days, the Internet is making people educated and exposed about various topics, and as Henry Peter said, “Education makes a people easy to lead, but difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.”

nihilistjnr:
Bro Aeroplane was invented in 1903 - 120 years ago.

Submarine was invented in 1850 - 172 years ago.

Machine gun was invented in 1862 - 160 years ago.

150 years ago, my great grandfather was probably still tying wrapper and hanging around in the rainforest competing with monkeys and chimpanzees for king of the jungle. For a man like that, with zero exposure to anything other than bronze age technology, ascribing the unknown to the supernatural makes the most sense. It means he didn't have to kill himself looking for answers to questions he was ill equipped to deal with.

So when he looked up in the sky at night and saw a bat flying, he assumed his wife, my grandmother, was going to her weekly meetings with her friends in the neighbourhood - he could not possibly know that his mates were flying aeroplanes all around the world.

When he went to the river to drink water, and somebody drowned -it made sense that the Queen of the river had siezed the person as a sacrifice. He could not possibly know that his mates were cruising around riverbeds all around the world.

In 1857 the British parked only 3 boats at CMS and used it to destroy the whole isale eko with Canon fire.

The same year that Lugard invented Nigeria, World War 1 broke out. The UK had spent much of the preceeding 50 years conquering the various Nigerian Kings who were fighting with swords, bows and arrows, and kakakpo muskets.

When they were fighting their mates that same era, most of their enemies like them, had armoured tanks, they had entire airforces and navies, they had mortar, missiles and all kinds of artillery.

Today in 2022, man has mapped out the highest peaks of rhe highest mountains, and the deepest troughs in the ocean floor. Man has gone to space to dance on the moon, and sent probes to Mars and beyond.

The people that continue to believe in jazz today are similar to my great grandfather 150 years ago, because all of this knowledge is being discovered and created away from them. They don't know no better.

But let me tell you this. If there is any jazz in this world, it is human beings. We don't need calabash to see what's happening a million miles away, and I cam travel from London to Paris in just two hours via a train that goes underneath the sea - not inside it, Under.

With my phone I can translate almost any language in this world, I don't need tongues of fire on my head. I can go to hospital and swap out almost all my organs and joints.

I'm willing to say that Humans > any Supernatural Deity in human history - most of them have died out, and only the Gods the people that invented all these things seem to have endured anyway.

Juju is not real. It never was. It never will be.

You can only blame the effect of believing in juju on religion and Africans' refusal to improve and refine the traditional knowledge with science and technology.

It's rare to see atheists and agnostics that believe in juju and the supernatural.

They prefer to stick with ancient philosophies and ideologies. If the whites want to recolonize Africa today, it would even be much easier.

We're so far behind technologically. Africa is still stuck in stone age.

Odu Ifa is Ifa's lies but Socrates', Aristotle's, Hippocrates' writings are great works.

It's the same modern slaves condemning the great literary works of Otem. The Africans have a deep-seated inferiority complex and self-hate.

Ifa was a great philosopher and mathematician (arithmetician) during his time in this part of the world. He was a man well ahead of his time, and the Yorubas can never forget that name, Ifa.

The Yorubas, both in his time and thousands of years after, saw his works too wise and great and deemed it feat to elevate him beyond a mere mortal to an orisa, worthy of worship.

(Just like people revere great footballers like Messi and Ronaldo today.)

The foolish people that don't respect their great ancestors don't know the amount of effort, intelligence, and grace it takes for your name to survive just a year after your death let alone Ifa that has survived thousands of years after the death of Ifa himself.

The Odu Ifa is a great work of arts, philosophy, history, and ethics containing almost all the Yoruba proverbs that we know, among other great words of wisdom. Just like Confucianism represents the thoughts and beliefs of the Chinese, Ifa represents the thoughts and beliefs of the Yorubas.

The Odu Ifa for all its greatness has its limitations, just like the Bible and Qur'an. But Africans, who see themselves as less of a human than other races, would condemn their own great ancestors and their works, focusing on the limitations and using those to condemn the whole works.

It's like someone saying Google is evil because it contains bad websites and forums.

Ifa, Otem (who brought a new language), Atum, Socrates, Hippocrates, Aristotle have all written their names on the sands of time for their works.

If some nonentities on Nairaland condemn Ifa or Otem, he's only making a fool of himself.

Both are great mortals, and the latter will be celebrated in the future as a great historian and philosopher for writing that book and bringing a new language that looks like a natural language.

Coming up with such a language is a great feat.

The native bulletproof concept is real. And it's nothing spiritual, just like there's nothing spiritual in the popular bulletproof vests from the West.

Both have their limitations, and I think the African version is less powerful.

I don't know when people involved in the native bulletproof will expose their methods to scientific scrutiny (as it's done overseas) and demonstrate what substances are used to fortify people's skin against cuts and bullets (with limits).

The chemicals in herbs (plants) can be powerful. Some can make one go to sleep; some can make one run mad; some can cure various aliments; in the same vein, some can fortify the skin when used in a certain manner.

It's all biology, physics, and chemistry with some psychology. It's not juju.

Rashidi on fire

Rashford with a brilliant free-kick.

Some interesting facts

iamoyindamola:
Abiku are refer to as mermaid not knowing it is as a result of sickle cell

Abi o. Now with more understanding of genotype and sickle cell anemia, there's been a drop in the incidence of abiku or ogbanje.

What you think is juju at work is simply unexplained biology, physics, chemistry, and psychology.

It's all physical. Nothing spiritual or supernatural.

Scientists have even explained some of these phenomena that seem mysterious.

If you demonstrate any juju to me that works, I assure you there's a law of nature (scientific concept) hidden that you or the scientists don't know about yet.

But give it time. It'll be still unravelled and demystified.

In the past, common cold, headache, and malaria used to be regarded as the handiwork of demons (though some people of shallow reasoning faculty still think so because of religion), but since the past 100 years, we've understood the microbial agents (too tiny to be seen by the naked eyes) that cause these ailments.

With more understanding of nature by scientists in the coming years, we'll surely have less indoctrinated, juju-believing religious people.

Has the guy been examined and treated for PTSD? Looks like that's the culprit here.

He needs a therapy urgently.