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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 1:33pm On Nov 20, 2022
GloriousGbola:
There is a movement that keeps advocating teaching in Yoruba. It goes right back to tai solarin who really believed in it. There is an excerpt from one of his Books where a kid was having trouble comprehending angles and then the teacher explained in Yoruba and it worked. I have also brushed against this with classmates even once in a car on a journey with a lecturer. I shut that down very quickly by pointing out that we don't have written language to start with, we are using English characters to attempt to represent our language.
The highlighted is wrong. I wish one of your listeners knew that.

The Yoruba language, just like the English language and many other languages in Europe and around the world, uses the Roman alphabets (also Latin alphabets).

Here's a history of the Roman alphabets: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Latin-alphabet

The English alphabets were developed from Old Latin, the language of the Roman Empire that had colonized Britain in the past.

When the British were wise and strong enough to break free from the Roman colonial rule, they translated many of the scientific papers and concepts to English language.

You can't invent things using the current model (Western education) in Nigerian schools, where STEM is taught in English.

If the Yoruba region would develop in the future, Yorubas would still need to domesticate science and teach it in the mother tongue, just like many advanced countries of the world today had done in the past.

It's a no-brainer really.

It's because most are still enslaved that's why people would even contest these points. Most Yorubas see English as the primary language and Yoruba as secondary.

But a good son of the soil shouldn't rate a foreign language, no matter its level of acceptance and popularity, above his own language.

The English don't do it; the French don't do it; the Chinese don't do it; the Arabs don't do it; and many peoples in advanced societies don't downgrade their indigenous culture for a foreign one.

But it's always the Africans: They despise their roots and cultures and celebrate foreign ones.

Right now, the Christians and the Muslims are making a noise in the churches and the mosques celebrating the culture of Israelites and Arabs respectively, but demonize their own culture.

It's no wonder the continent contributes next to nothing in world's development.

The way forward to develop science in Yorubaland is to incorporate the teaching of STEM in Yoruba, along with teaching it in English (not only Yoruba).

What any reasonable Yoruba should be advocating is restructuring (regional government) or breakup to form Yoruba nation if restructuring isn't given a chance.

Anyone sincere person who knows the history of how Nigeria was set up by GB understands the fact that Nigeria can't work under the current faulty setup.

The various tribes, who don't love one another and have little in common, were forced together into an unholy union by the Britons.

Restructuring or Yorexit
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by A001: 9:21am On Nov 20, 2022
popizaino:
The state of your club,form at a particular time and period determines whether you be termed underdog or favourites. It changes with time,form and anything and also never constant. That's why you see odd changing every now and then. Nobody will tip AC milan as UCL favourite in this year's competition because they have 7 UCL,no bookmaker will see man united and call them UCL favourites if they made the competition this season with their new coach,no body will term AJax as UCL favourites because they won the UCL 3 consecutivelyin the past or because they recently beat Madrid and juventus. On what basis will someone call Borrusia Dortmund favourites to win this year's UCL or would have called Chelsea favourites to win the UCL in 2021? Is it the world class players that we had then or the excellent domestic season we were having grin or Tuchel a multiple champions league winner coming ? Truth is Tuchel won as underdog.
Football isn't black and white oga. If it's not white, then it must be black. Football isn't like that.

There are many, many grey areas. It's not all teams that belong to your favorite-underdog classification.

Many teams are in between; for instance, Netherlands, Belgium, England, etc. You can't call any of these teams favorites or underdogs.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 6:20am On Nov 20, 2022

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 7:37pm On Nov 19, 2022
grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 6:10pm On Nov 19, 2022
DissTroyer:
That's oppression. There are 18 LGAs in Cross River and nothing less than 70 languages and ethnicities.
Efik and Ejagham are the major languages.

Instead of speaking and learning in English, if you cajole all 70 ethnicities to learn 3 native languages of their more dominant neighbours for sciences and other subject areas in school, what you are doing is no different from what the European invaders did to the places they invaded - neocolonialism.
It's not the same thing. In those areas, they've a major indigenous language that residents speak, just like Hausa is the major language spoken in the North, yet northerners also have other languages that most people don't know of.

Or you think only the Hausa tribe is in the North? Most people in South-West think only Hausa and Fulanis languages are spoken in the North.

Many erroneously think all Nigerian presidents from the North are Hausa. But it's not true.

Did Hausa colonize the other tribes in the North like Kanuri, Udam, Fulani, Etulo, Ugenyi, and Jukun?

All these peoples speak Hausa as a general language.

You're saying another thing entirely.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 5:29pm On Nov 19, 2022
Theflint1:
Most of these countries you speak of are "one-language" countries, and work has already been done to standardize language of instruction in schools. How many languages do you plan on translating these curriculums into, and how do we then function as one country with each person haven gone through school taught in their respective languages?
I only mentioned teaching STEM in indigenous languages, not writing the curriculums in those languages or setting exams in them.

The standard language used in the external exam for West Africa is English, and English should still be retained as a teaching language.

But using the indigenous language should be incorporated into the delivery.

The current model has failed miserably.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 5:25pm On Nov 19, 2022
Theflint1:
Yea, pidgin English cheesy
Yes, that's better. It's doable. But the brilliant people to do it are leaving the country in droves.

So, it's a hopeless situation.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001:
Theflint1:
The language of instruction is far from why students in Nigeria read to pass exams and not understand. These students would be taught in their indigenous languages and it'd be the same reading to pass exams, only this time in their indigenous language.
There'll be improvement if done right. The language of instructions is one of the major problems.

People flow naturally in their mother tongue and connect with things better in their indigenous language.

To express yourself well, your mother tongue is the best as you can't speak and understand English like the Englishman, just as an Englishman can't speak and understand Yoruba language like a Yoruba man.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 5:20pm On Nov 19, 2022
DissTroyer:
Ikom LGA alone in Cross River State has 13 languages and ethnicities.

Akamkpa LGA alone in Cross River State has 13 languages and ethnicities too.

There are 18 LGAs in Cross River State.

Goodluck translating Translation Newton's Laws into them.
Each of these areas has a major (general) language that they speak there, apart from English.

That's why it's the major language that most outsiders know. Teaching STEM should be delivered primarily in that major language and secondarily in English.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 5:17pm On Nov 19, 2022
But students in countries where STEM is taught in indigenous languages speak English as well.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 5:11pm On Nov 19, 2022
Theflint1:
I get the point you're making with this Yoruba/Hausa use of their indigenous languages, Hausa's do speak it a lot more, in fact, a good number of them type in Hausa when conversing online. But what I don't get is why you thinking teaching kids science in their local languages is helpful?
When science is taught in mother tongue using local (everyday) examples, students will relate with it better and understand the concepts than teaching it in English where most students just cram to pass exams.

This is one reason why Chinese, German, French, Korean, Japanese engage in science primarily in their languages and in English secondarily.

It's the same reason why, in the past, the English translated many scientific concepts and principles to English language mainly from Greek and Latin.

Many words in science have their roots in these two languages, but various advanced nations do STEM in their mother tongue.

It's one thing to cram many topics in Physics to pass exams and another to understand just a few and build (invent) with them.

We do science to solve real life problems, not just to cram and pass exams as we do here in Nigeria.

But you can't solve problems without understanding scientific principles and concepts.

You've to be able to connect with the concepts and relate with them.

Many studies have been published demonstrating why it's better to teach STEM in indigenous languages using local examples.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001:
raumdeuter:
If you understand a subject very well you can explain in any language

The problem might be with the teacher who doesn't understand what he is teaching. And just copy and paste for the student. I have shared story of a corner colleague who writes lesson notes for Maths and just copy and paste in the board
When I teach Maths I don't even need a lesson note

There was a topic in light Physics and the teacher was explaining to us how light rays move differently when they hit a mirror and he simply used an example that when you are running on a plain field you will run straight but the moment you hit the bush you will have to slow down. He described the running in a funny Ekiti term that got us laughing and over 25yrs later I still remember that explanation
The rot is very deep in the education sector. Many brilliant people don't like taking up the teaching profession because of the low pay.

I think that's where the problem is. Most of my brilliant friends don japa, even me sef dey prepare to follow suit.

The brain drain is appalling.

And the profession is left for teachers, most of whom don't really understand the subject. Hence, most students detest Physics and Math.

When I was in school, only very few lecturers really understood Physics, and the ones trained abroad just had a special mode of teaching that would make you wonder why their style is so different and more advanced than those trained in Nigeria.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 4:37pm On Nov 19, 2022
raumdeuter:
I am sure if you go to the interior outside Lagos many teaching even of English language as a subject mix local language into it.

Most teachers don't use pure English to teach and this has been the practice for a long time
Yes, in many subjects. But not in science subjects. I wasn't taught any science subject in Yoruba and did la cram la pour to pass exams even up to university level.

That's learning using the wrong approach.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 4:36pm On Nov 19, 2022
GloriousGbola:
There are no actual Yoruba words for these concepts

Grafiti
Relatifiti

Or my fave
Shake e shake e shake e bota tan e tan e tan titi daro ola ati tan
Check it check it check out on and on and on until the break dawn its on
Lols. No need to translate them to Yoruba. That'll be counterproductive.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 4:35pm On Nov 19, 2022
nihilistjnr:
Yeah but to what point though.

I know a guy that localised an entire Linux build to Yoruba.

Chances are that if you are a Nigerian using Linux, then English is nor your problem

So in this case, my guy was creating a solution in search of a problem that didn't exist.

The current political structure of Nigeria necessitates a common lingua franca, negating the need ro teach maths in Yoruba or Efik...

At least at this point.

If exams will be set in English, then students should be instructed in English.

However I see and agree with yours and A001 broader point about a need for continued promotion of our indigenous culture. Where I disagree with you is in how we do it - for me rhe obvious vehicle for this is humanities and the arts.

I just don't see the point of instructing STEM subjects in Yoruba or Ibibio
The average Nigerian student sees the concepts and principles in Physics as abstract, complex things.

But as you're typing on your phone, you're applying many principles of Physics. The student siting down in a Physics class applies the concept of moment, forces at equilibrium, electrostatics, magnetostatics.

But they don't know these things because the teachers teach them using the wrong approach.

To aid understanding, teachers need to teach Physics in mother tongue using everyday examples the students see and know.

Since many schools don't have well-equipped labs, teachers needs to teach with demos.

YouTube videos and apps are there to help. These can help teachers create learning scenarios in Yoruba.

German, French, Chinese, Korea, Japanese scientists are preforming wonders in Physics because it was taught to them in their mother tongue.

Cramming terms in Physics in English, which is what most students do, isn't learning. They're only reading to pass exams.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 4:26pm On Nov 19, 2022
Mass is mass; force is force; energy is energy.

But the main thing is, how can the student relate with these terms in their everyday life?

They're not abstract because the laws of Physics govern many phenomena and processes in nature.

The main thing is presenting these things to the student in such a way that they can relate with them and not see them as abstract.

A simple demo explained in Yoruba will illustrate all these terms to students.

Physics teachers should have a teaching kit that contains items like magnet, ball, ruler, capacitor, resistor, IC, a stop watch, and the likes for carrying out demos for students in their mother tongue using everyday examples they can relate with, not merely giving them notes.



Science is best learnt via practicals.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 4:18pm On Nov 19, 2022
nihilistjnr:
YouTube videos in English or Yoruba?
They're in English. I only need the demos. Then, there are apps as well that simulate Physics practicals that I used to utilize as teaching aids.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 4:15pm On Nov 19, 2022
raumdeuter:
I will like you to use 2 Yoruba sentence to teach any concept in Physics and would like to see how it will go

Also when the exams will be in English so what have you achieved?

E.g Force = mass X acceleration
Force = Agbara mass = iwon acceleration = igbera?
As a Physics student I even had problems conceptualizing the difference between speed and velocity or mass vs weight scalar vs vector
Gravitational field is gravitational field in Yoruba as well. The formulas don't change too.

For instance, if I want teach a student the topic Gravitational Field, my introduction would be the proverb, "lala to roke, ille lo n bo". Meaning "what's thrown up always comes down".

And I'd demonstrate that by throwing an object up.

If I want to teach a topic like Density, I'd do simple demo with a small ball (boolu) and spoon (sibi). Law of flotation can be easily taught in Yoruba with a similar demo using a small boat (oko oju omi) and a cup of water (Ife omi).

The names of the concepts and principles don't change and the formulas too, but their explanation is given in Yoruba using simple demos.

With a mirror (digi) and a lamp (atupa oyinbo), I can easily teach optics.

Teaching in Yoruba is to aid understanding, stimulate students' interest in learning and practical.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 4:03pm On Nov 19, 2022
StarchAndBanga:
Oh.. I get u now.

But u don't expect teachers in school to do thesame when there might be other students in class who are not Yoruba
No. It's strictly for Yorubas. When I was in school and during NYSC, most of the students I taught on a private basis are Yoruba.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 4:02pm On Nov 19, 2022
nihilistjnr:
How do you define the concepts of say refraction in physics, or differentiation and integration in maths in Yoruba?

I'm interested in this
Differentiation, integration all deal with the rate of change of a quantity with respect to time.

This can be simply explained in Yoruba.

The terms will retain their name in Yoruba as well. But the concept can be taught in Yoruba successfully with the aid of YouTube videos.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 3:59pm On Nov 19, 2022
Itsrm:
Stick to spreading the gospel of Otem. grin

The way this thing dey pain you, try get rid of any rope around you before you tie am for ceiling and decide to end it all cheesy
You've successfully shown you're a nonentity since you can't post the gospel of Otem here.

It only exists in your tiny, hallucinating mind.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 3:58pm On Nov 19, 2022
raumdeuter:
What do you call momentum, angular velocity, acceleration, refractive index, convex, concave, focal point, gravitational pull, escape velocity in Yoruba
They retain their names in English since the roots of most of those terms are Greek and Latin anyway.

Physics itself is from ancient Greek. Most terms in Physics are borrowed words.

But I describe the concepts in Yoruba.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 3:54pm On Nov 19, 2022
StarchAndBanga:
So the school/schools u teach, only Yoruba students attend those schools or what?
Teaching isn't only done in schools.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 3:53pm On Nov 19, 2022
Itsrm:
So why were you saying Yorubas prefer speaking in English when you are admitting here they are "forced" to speak in English by their teachers through punishment.

If they prefer speaking in English, why does the teacher need to punish grin
You're just a confused fool. The teachers are mostly Yoruba.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 3:53pm On Nov 19, 2022
Itsrm:
My brain dey leak grin
Can you state the gospel of Otem? Do so with proofs.

Prove to me that you're not a nonentity.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 3:51pm On Nov 19, 2022
OasisX:
grin

E ma binu Egbon. Mi o mo pe E se ti Otemu mo. No vex bruh, didn't know you've forsaken Otem.
I didn't know you eat and drink anything Otem. That's why you must mention the moniker daily here.

I'm repeating it again to stop saying this is Otem's moniker here.

Are you sure you're okay? Stop hallucinating.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 3:48pm On Nov 19, 2022
izzou:
[color=royalblue]Chemistry, Physics and Biology textbooks are written in English

Do you expect the teacher to start interpreting it in Yoruba?

Or they should use Yoruba to teach English language?

Did you also consider that the class is usually mixed too?[/color]
You've the Bible in Yoruba. Those subjects can be taught in the mother tongue, too.

They're better taught in Yoruba. When teaching students in secondary school Physics and Math, I do mostly in Yoruba.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 3:46pm On Nov 19, 2022
OasisX:
grin

Baba Otem..... you don win. Mi o lagbaja fun wahala.
I think sey you get sense before. If you need to engage Otem, mention his moniker and stop hallucinating.

I've only this account on Nairaland.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 3:44pm On Nov 19, 2022
Itsrm:
I think baba should stick to preaching the gospel of Otem as you said grin
You're just a confused m.oron. What's the gospel of Otem? Where he tell you say he get gospel. Omo ode.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 3:43pm On Nov 19, 2022
OasisX:
grin


Do you send Kids to School to learn Yoruba or Text Books are written in Ijebu dialect?!
To learn Yoruba and learn other required things.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 3:41pm On Nov 19, 2022
larride:
Bros when Yoruba politicians are talking with their people, they speak Yoruba bro. YORUBA.

Infact most of the campaign slogan in Yoruba land are always in Yoruba.

I dont know what you are driving at really.

Even in nearby Kwara, we have Otoge grin
English is primary and Yoruba is secondary even among Yorubas. For Hausas, Hausa is primary and English is secondary.

That's what I'm saying.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 3:39pm On Nov 19, 2022
Itsrm:
I know what it means but I had to ask you when I saw this.



The yoruba by itself is vernacular so saying they consider their mother tongue vernacular makes no sense. What would they have considered it? Binocular?
Why punish a student for speaking his mother tongue (vernacular)? A Hausa man would never do that.

That's the crux of my argument.

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